The Gay Empire State

[Lunar]

This is huge.

Really huge.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I actually am sensible on some issues. I'm anti-war, anti-bailouts, I'm a modrate-ish on immigration, and on some environmental issues. BTRD just has this problem with my questioning Obama's eligibility to be president.

I'll freely admit that I have a problem with your position on this, because this is a major issue for me (particularly considering that one of my best friends in the whole world is a gay girl who lives in New York--Roy McDonald's district, actually), but all right, that sounds like a fairly non-insane subvariety of conservatism there. It seems a bit Old Right, which is very far from where I stand but at least doesn't completely make me want to throw up. All things considered it's just a shame that we're living in a political climate where things like the President's eligibility to be President (which, I'll be totally honest with you, I do think your alleged position on is at least somewhat crankish) are actually 'issues' at all, at least in the public mind.

Um, stop trolling.

Do gay people not have families or something? I'm sure that'll be rather disappointing news to several people I'm very close to.

I am mostly of the Old Right. The fact that government got involved in marriage at all back in the 1800's was ludicrous. Most of those laws denied marriage rights to inter-racial coulples and I would've opposed the denial of the right of inter-racial couples to marry. If it were a case of gays being denied access to certain jobs (religious and military excluded ) I'd be with you guys on that. But to give marital rights to gays goes against everything I believe as both an Old Right conservative and as a Christian.

[Lunar]

(and military excluded )

I don't hate anyone (French people excluded)!

[Lunar]

http://www.capitaltonight.com/2011/06/salands-statement-on-his-vote/

[King]

You're almost at a good title, Lunar.  I can feel it.

I myself would have gone with "Start spreading the news, New York is teh ghey."

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I am mostly of the Old Right. The fact that government got involved in marriage at all back in the 1800's was ludicrous. Most of those laws denied marriage rights to inter-racial coulples and I would've opposed the denial of the right of inter-racial couples to marry. If it were a case of gays being denied access to certain jobs (religious and military excluded ) I'd be with you guys on that. But to give marital rights to gays goes against everything I believe as both an Old Right conservative and as a Christian.

Eh, makes sense. I'm a Christian as well, but I'd wager of a vastly different type. Agreed with you that government involvement in marriage has major flaws, but I'm far from sure that completely abolishing such involvement and (re?)privatising the institution is the best solution to that.

[tpfkaw]

Government marriage is a fad which began in the mid-19th century in order so that the state could monitor marriages to prevent people from marrying members of different races.  It's time that such a disgusting concept be done away with.

[patrick1]

You're almost at a good title, Lunar.  I can feel it.

I myself would have gone with "Start spreading the news, New York is teh ghey."

The Big Appletini  

For me this is ultimately just a clear case of extending equal rights.  I think it is absurd that a gay couple that has been together for decades were not afforded the same rights as some sham shotgun wedding.  

Even from a religious side of my upbringing, I still see no conflict. No one is forcing you to bless gay marriage as a sacrament.  It is merely a fuller expression of separation of church and state.  

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I am mostly of the Old Right. The fact that government got involved in marriage at all back in the 1800's was ludicrous. Most of those laws denied marriage rights to inter-racial coulples and I would've opposed the denial of the right of inter-racial couples to marry. If it were a case of gays being denied access to certain jobs (religious and military excluded ) I'd be with you guys on that. But to give marital rights to gays goes against everything I believe as both an Old Right conservative and as a Christian.

Eh, makes sense. I'm a Christian as well, but I'd wager of a vastly different type. Agreed with you that government involvement in marriage has major flaws, but I'm far from sure that completely abolishing such involvement and (re?)privatising the institution is the best solution to that.

Hence placing that role back to the states and keep the federal government out of it. As legislation that Ron Paul has proposed would do. Keep it to the states. If I may ask of the type of Christianity you proport yourself as part of?

As to the response concerning separation of church and state, That was ment to defend the churches against state interference but the state needed to look to the church as a conscience and place that taught good citizenship.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm a Christian and will proudly vote against banning it in 2012 in my state. If there are any organized protests of false churches (Catholic, Mormon or fundie ones that support it) like there were in California with Prop 8 I will be there.

[King]

As to the response concerning separation of church and state,

Fragment (consider revising).

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Good for NY! I know there's a lot of partying going on in the city tonight.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

As to the response concerning separation of church and state,

Fragment (consider revising).

Added something to render the fragment moot.

I'm a Christian and will proudly vote against banning it in 2012 in my state. If there are any organized protests of false churches (Catholic, Mormon or fundie ones that support it) like there were in California with Prop 8 I will be there.

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

[Landslide Lyndon]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin, the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

[exopolitician]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin, the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

Yes.

[Landslide Lyndon]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin, the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

Yes.

Hell yes!

[The Mikado]

Congrats, gays and/or New Yorkers.  I'll raise a glass to you.  Just not one of those damn sugary sweet drinks.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin,Smit Wigglesworth,  the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

Yes.

Hell yes!

It's the ones that ordain gay ministers that sadly must be thrown under that bus. Not the fundies. Can the left just admit that the fundies are right on this one.

[exopolitician]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin,Smit Wigglesworth,  the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

Yes.

Hell yes!

It's the ones that ordain gay ministers that sadly must be thrown under that bus. Not the fundies. Can the left just admit that the fundies are right on this one.

No.

[Gustaf]

This seems pretty epic. Cool stuff.

[Landslide Lyndon]

What would you consider a fundie denomination. Name them. I'll give you the LDS because of certain things they deny about Jesus.

Any denomination that has as a member a nut job like you.

Do
You want to throw Elvis Presley, Gov. Sarah Palin,Smit Wigglesworth,  the Jonas Brothers, Kris Allen, AttGen John Aschroft under the bus too? Because if you you throw me you
would throw them under it too.

Yes.

Hell yes!

It's the ones that ordain gay ministers that sadly must be thrown under that bus. Not the fundies. Can the left just admit that the fundies are right on this one.

No.

Hell no!

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Hence placing that role back to the states and keep the federal government out of it. As legislation that Ron Paul has proposed would do. Keep it to the states. If I may ask of the type of Christianity you proport yourself as part of?

That's a fair enough position, though if I'm thinking of the same Ron Paul legislation that you are, I'm a bit leery of jurisdiction-stripping in general.

I'm Episcopalian. I'm in a fairly liberal parish in a fairly liberal diocese, and by the standards of my parish I'm actually on the staid and conservative side of things. I like it a lot, though.

It's the ones that ordain gay ministers that sadly must be thrown under that bus. Not the fundies. Can the left just admit that the fundies are right on this one.

...No, because you're not?

[Holmes]

Congrats, gays and/or New Yorkers.  I'll raise a glass to you.  Just not one of those damn sugary sweet drinks.

It has to be a margarita, in celebration of this victory!

This is huge.

Really huge.

Yeah, in the state that Stonewall happened, in Pride month too!

[JohnnyLongtorso]

A manhattan would be an appropriate drink in this case, yes?

Also, I didn't realize JCL says he's 30 in his profile. Until now I assumed he was one of our 13-year-old posters.