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« Reply #1300 on: December 01, 2017, 11:23:22 PM »

Now THAT is interesting. Does this mean he'll be needed for something or is he just there for emergencies?
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« Reply #1301 on: December 01, 2017, 11:24:53 PM »
Quote from: Biden/Kander 2020 on December 01, 2017, 11:23:22 PM

Now THAT is interesting. Does this mean he'll be needed for something or is he just there for emergencies?

I think it is usually tradition for VP to be there for major vote.
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« Reply #1302 on: December 01, 2017, 11:26:21 PM »
The motion by Sen. Menendez to send the bill back to committee has failed 48-52. Now can we quit it with the motions and do actual amendments?
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« Reply #1303 on: December 01, 2017, 11:29:28 PM »
Quote from: Dwarven Dragon on December 01, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
The motion by Sen. Menendez to send the bill back to committee has failed 48-52. Now can we quit it with the motions and do actual amendments?

No, keep the motions going until folks start collapsing on the Senate floor in exhaustion!
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« Reply #1304 on: December 01, 2017, 11:30:12 PM »
Quote from: Biden/Kander 2020 on December 01, 2017, 11:23:22 PM

Now THAT is interesting. Does this mean he'll be needed for something or is he just there for emergencies?

Nothing Pence loves more.than to see manly men hard at work
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« Reply #1305 on: December 01, 2017, 11:30:46 PM »
Quote from: We Have A Pope on December 01, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: Dwarven Dragon on December 01, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
The motion by Sen. Menendez to send the bill back to committee has failed 48-52. Now can we quit it with the motions and do actual amendments?

No, keep the motions going until folks start collapsing on the Senate floor in exhaustion!

I mean, I do wonder: Is it possible to effectively filibuster by introducing like thousands of amendments or motions to commit?
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« Reply #1306 on: December 01, 2017, 11:31:18 PM »
Also, why are they holding this vote open??
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« Reply #1307 on: December 01, 2017, 11:31:31 PM »
This is my first time actually watching the senate proceedings. Who are the 4 ladies sitting on that  long desk/counter in the front of the room?
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« Reply #1308 on: December 01, 2017, 11:33:09 PM »
Quote from: Biden/Kander 2020 on December 01, 2017, 11:30:46 PM
Quote from: We Have A Pope on December 01, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: Dwarven Dragon on December 01, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
The motion by Sen. Menendez to send the bill back to committee has failed 48-52. Now can we quit it with the motions and do actual amendments?

No, keep the motions going until folks start collapsing on the Senate floor in exhaustion!

I mean, I do wonder: Is it possible to effectively filibuster by introducing like thousands of amendments or motions to commit?

Looks like I have my answer on this. According to Seung Min Kim, if they overdo it, the parliamentarian can find their actions dilatory.
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« Reply #1309 on: December 01, 2017, 11:33:54 PM »
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Maybe I missed it, but I don't remember the need to provide tax breaks to wealthy hedge fund managers in the Virgin Islands being one of our nation's pressing crises. Yet that's exactly what Section 14504 of the GOP bill does.

Apparently it is not even all Wealthy Hedge Fund managers in Virgin Islands but there also the bill picks & chooses. SWAMP at work !

Orin Hatch should give the name of the lobbyist who inserted the provision for which select few Hedge Fund Managers !
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« Reply #1310 on: December 01, 2017, 11:35:25 PM »
This vote has been open way longer than it should have been...
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« Reply #1311 on: December 01, 2017, 11:36:41 PM »
Quote from: Biden/Kander 2020 on December 01, 2017, 11:35:25 PM
This vote has been open way longer than it should have been...

And there it is. Motion to commit fails 48-52.
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« Reply #1312 on: December 01, 2017, 11:37:03 PM »
Quote from: marty on December 01, 2017, 11:31:31 PM
This is my first time actually watching the senate proceedings. Who are the 4 ladies sitting on that  long desk/counter in the front of the room?

The clerks. They count the votes and assist the parliamentarian and presiding senator.
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« Reply #1313 on: December 01, 2017, 11:38:12 PM »
Next to be voted on

Cruz 1852 on 529s for pre-college school.
Kaine 1846 to restore AMT.
Manchin motion to commit
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« Reply #1314 on: December 01, 2017, 11:39:18 PM »
How many more votes until the vote?
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« Reply #1315 on: December 01, 2017, 11:39:21 PM »
When is the vote on the actual bill going to happen?
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« Reply #1316 on: December 01, 2017, 11:40:23 PM »
Quote from: A Strange Reflection on December 01, 2017, 11:15:34 PM
Why the f**k didn't Democrats vote for this? It's not like the bill won't still pass anyway.

They don't want their fingerprints anywhere near this bill.

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« Reply #1317 on: December 01, 2017, 11:40:49 PM »
Quote from: DTC on December 01, 2017, 11:39:21 PM
When is the actual vote going to happen?

As far as I know, they can keep going with amendments until either being ruled dilatory or running out. There are 269 amendments offered.
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« Reply #1318 on: December 01, 2017, 11:42:34 PM »
Wait, this Cruz amendment might actually pass.

Is it going to be in the final bill? Do we know?
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« Reply #1319 on: December 01, 2017, 11:48:17 PM »
Quote from: Biden/Kander 2020 on December 01, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
Wait, this Cruz amendment might actually pass.

Is it going to be in the final bill? Do we know?

If it passes why wouldn't it be?
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« Reply #1320 on: December 01, 2017, 11:49:03 PM »
Cruz 1852: Allows use of 529s for private K-12 Schools

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Dem Yes votes: Manchin
GOP No votes: Collins, Murkowski
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« Reply #1321 on: December 01, 2017, 11:50:52 PM »
Quote from: peenie_weenie on December 01, 2017, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: Biden/Kander 2020 on December 01, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
Wait, this Cruz amendment might actually pass.

Is it going to be in the final bill? Do we know?

If it passes why wouldn't it be?

Because of how this process votes. After all the other amendment votes are done, McConnell offers an amendment (the 'final' or 'manager's' amendment) which wipes away any previously passed amendments and replaces them with whatever he decides is in the bill.
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« Reply #1322 on: December 01, 2017, 11:51:54 PM »
MANCHIN FLIPS TO NO.

50 NO VOTES.
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« Reply #1323 on: December 01, 2017, 11:52:32 PM »
Awww. Heitkamp gave a little kiss on the cheek to Manchin after he switched his vote to no on the Cruz-529 amendment. Tied 50-50.
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« Reply #1324 on: December 01, 2017, 11:53:01 PM »
TIED AT 50
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