Democratic Leadership Elections

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Leadership is all about seniority and Fudge should replace Clyburn or Hoyer, instead of Pelosi. 1977, Democratic reforms took party control away from committees and into the Speaker. Pelosi, doesn't have that much time left in Congress, but will be Speaker, as long as Dems hold majority. That will be past 2022, given the Senate map in 2020 and 2022

[UncleSam]

Leadership is all about seniority and Fudge should replace Clyburn or Hoyer, instead of Pelosi. 1977, Democratic reforms took party control away from committees and into the Speaker. Pelosi, doesn't have that much time left in Congress, but will be Speaker, as long as Dems hold majority. That will be past 2022, given the Senate map in 2020 and 2022

What does the senate map have to do with the house in 2020 lol

[henster]

Moulton is simply challenging the status quoa I appreciate him stepping up because it's ridiculous all of leadership is pushing 80. This is necessary because it sends Pelosi and others a message that she can't be speaker for another decade or however long she wants.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Leadership is all about seniority and Fudge should replace Clyburn or Hoyer, instead of Pelosi. 1977, Democratic reforms took party control away from committees and into the Speaker. Pelosi, doesn't have that much time left in Congress, but will be Speaker, as long as Dems hold majority. That will be past 2022, given the Senate map in 2020 and 2022

What does the senate map have to do with the house in 2020 lol

All the House seats up are in 25 seats Clinton won

[IceSpear]

Moulton is simply challenging the status quoa I appreciate him stepping up because it's ridiculous all of leadership is pushing 80. This is necessary because it sends Pelosi and others a message that she can't be speaker for another decade or however long she wants.

It's not like she'd be able to be speaker for a decade anyway. The pendulum is going to swing back eventually.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Dems overperformed in the House, which secured Pelosi as Speaker, if they only secured 25-29 seats, her leadership would be in doubt

[Breton Racer]

Nancy Pelosi, no matter what you think about the woman, will be the next speaker. You can't beat someone with no one.

[Zaybay]

Moulton is simply challenging the status quoa I appreciate him stepping up because it's ridiculous all of leadership is pushing 80. This is necessary because it sends Pelosi and others a message that she can't be speaker for another decade or however long she wants.

The reason he's stepping up is not so noble, however. Its clear that he desires the power himself, and has been trying to push his associates into powerful positions. If he truly wanted new leadership, he would have ran for speaker, or he would have called for Clyburn or another one of the higher ups to be challenged. Instead, Seth has been using this as a means to boost his national profile, and possibly take out a speaker that he views as a threat to his view of the Democratic Party.

There is a reason many of the anti-Pelosi Dems on the forum, myself included, are backing her candidacy.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Again. Pelosi is a master at this. She might even be better than McConnell. Too bad Dems had deadweight Harry Reid dragging them down in 2009-2010.

I agree with the first part, but Reid wasn't a deadweight (if nothing else, he deserves credit for building a first-class political machine in Nevada).  The existence of the filibuster meant that Reid had a much harder job than Pelosi; I do think Schumer's an improvement though since he managed to get McCain to vote against the Obamacare repeal (IIRC Schumer was the one who convinced McCain to switch from an "aye" to a "nay" on that).  Blocking the Obamacare repeal bill was a pretty big coup for Senate Democrats.  That said, Pelosi is far more effective than Reid or Schumer.

[pppolitics]

Moulton is simply challenging the status quoa I appreciate him stepping up because it's ridiculous all of leadership is pushing 80. This is necessary because it sends Pelosi and others a message that she can't be speaker for another decade or however long she wants.

Why does age matter?

As long as she can do the job, she can be 400 years old for all I care.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

I'll support her against moulton b/c he sucks even more.

[RogueBeaver]

Higgins flips.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Higgins flips.

You come at the queen, you best not miss.

[Yank2133]

Again. Pelosi is a master at this. She might even be better than McConnell. Too bad Dems had deadweight Harry Reid dragging them down in 2009-2010.

I agree with the first part, but Reid wasn't a deadweight (if nothing else, he deserves credit for building a first-class political machine in Nevada).  The existence of the filibuster meant that Reid had a much harder job than Pelosi; I do think Schumer's an improvement though since he managed to get McCain to vote against the Obamacare repeal (IIRC Schumer was the one who convinced McCain to switch from an "aye" to a "nay" on that).  Blocking the Obamacare repeal bill was a pretty big coup for Senate Democrats.  That said, Pelosi is far more effective than Reid or Schumer.

I don't think Schumer is an improvement over Reid at all. Schumer doesn't care for confrontation, while Reid does and I believe you need that when you are going up against Trump.

[beesley]

Many of the Pelosi Critics are taking a principled stand on the real issues and will support her to get them done, such as Brian Higgins. I admire that.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Moulton is simply challenging the status quoa I appreciate him stepping up because it's ridiculous all of leadership is pushing 80. This is necessary because it sends Pelosi and others a message that she can't be speaker for another decade or however long she wants.

Why does age matter?

As long as she can do the job, she can be 400 years old for all I care.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

https://twitter.com/DanDeRoos19/status/1064646215671914497

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but I guess this isn't going to help her quest to become speaker.

Lance Mason was an Ohio state court judge who was removed from the bench and ultimately convicted and sent to prison for brutally beating his wife in 2014. She divorced him. Marcia Fudge wrote this letter asking that he be treated leniently by the prosecutor. He was later released after serving only nine months.

Just this past week, Lance Mason apparently murdered his now ex-wife.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2018/11/19/former-judge-brutally-assaulted-his-wife-now-shes-dead-hes-been-arrested/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.30fc0649418c

It's a bit of a gotcha, but it's always been clear that Fudge is a consummate player of the insider game and will support bad apples for power.

I honestly think Fudge's support of Mason is worth primarying her over and is a bigger deal than her challenge to Pelosi. Mason allegedly beat his wife so badly she needed reconstructive surgery, and this occured on front of their small children. Fudge, who had served as director of the office of the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor, implored the office she used to work for in the above letter to give him a light sentence. Well, he got a light sentence, got out and allegedly killed his wife and injured a cop while escaping. This is a big deal and shows a ridiculous lack of ethics, critical thinking, decency, leadership, etc on Fudge's part. She is not a leader and doesn't deserve to be one, IMO

Details on the case here: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215

JD should run Nina Turner. It's a perfect opening for them

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/DanDeRoos19/status/1064646215671914497

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but I guess this isn't going to help her quest to become speaker.

Lance Mason was an Ohio state court judge who was removed from the bench and ultimately convicted and sent to prison for brutally beating his wife in 2014. She divorced him. Marcia Fudge wrote this letter asking that he be treated leniently by the prosecutor. He was later released after serving only nine months.

Just this past week, Lance Mason apparently murdered his now ex-wife.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2018/11/19/former-judge-brutally-assaulted-his-wife-now-shes-dead-hes-been-arrested/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.30fc0649418c

It's a bit of a gotcha, but it's always been clear that Fudge is a consummate player of the insider game and will support bad apples for power.

I honestly think Fudge's support of Mason is worth primarying her over and is a bigger deal than her challenge to Pelosi. Mason allegedly beat his wife so badly she needed reconstructive surgery, and this occured on front of their small children. Fudge, who had served as director of the office of the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor, implored the office she used to work for in the above letter to give him a light sentence. Well, he got a light sentence, got out and allegedly killed his wife and injured a cop while escaping. This is a big deal and shows a ridiculous lack of ethics, critical thinking, decency, leadership, etc on Fudge's part. She is not a leader and doesn't deserve to be one, IMO

Details on the case here: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/20/fudge-letter-criminal-case-1008215

JD should run Nina Turner. It's a perfect opening for them

Nina Turner was almost Jill Stein's VP pick in 2016 and is one of the most (rightly) despised folks in Ohio Democratic politics.  JD would honestly be better off with even just some random activist.

[Landslide Lyndon]

LOL!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Good, good.

[IceSpear]

Again. Pelosi is a master at this. She might even be better than McConnell. Too bad Dems had deadweight Harry Reid dragging them down in 2009-2010.

I agree with the first part, but Reid wasn't a deadweight (if nothing else, he deserves credit for building a first-class political machine in Nevada).  The existence of the filibuster meant that Reid had a much harder job than Pelosi; I do think Schumer's an improvement though since he managed to get McCain to vote against the Obamacare repeal (IIRC Schumer was the one who convinced McCain to switch from an "aye" to a "nay" on that).  Blocking the Obamacare repeal bill was a pretty big coup for Senate Democrats.  That said, Pelosi is far more effective than Reid or Schumer.

Reid got tougher later on when he got wise to the Republican dirty tricks, but by then Dems already lost the House and it was too little too late. He and Obama squandered much of the trifecta with their "bipartisanship" fetish and assuming the Republicans were acting in good faith (literally took a year to write healthcare reform to try to get the votes of Republican Senators who were never going to support it under any circumstances even though it was basically their own plan from the 90s) while Pelosi was the one kicking ass and taking names. McConnell ran circles around Obama and Reid even when he should've been a powerless minority. It was pretty sad to watch.

[Blair]

This proves why Pelosi should be speaker- the last week or so has been a work of art in how you dispatch rivals before the vote even begins. Of course Ryan, and Moulton were so hilariously useless- and proved why we couldn't let them anywhere near congressional power.

It's ashame- Tim Ryan was always a bit of a cretin, but Moulton could (and might still?) have had a very bright political future.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Actually Ryan used to be awesome. Whatever happened to this Tim Ryan?
https://youtu.be/cgHkXOEGIvU

[lfromnj]

Actually Ryan used to be awesome. Whatever happened to this Tim Ryan?
https://youtu.be/cgHkXOEGIvU

Didn't he just have a speech a few months ago on the tax bill?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Actually Ryan used to be awesome. Whatever happened to this Tim Ryan?
https://youtu.be/cgHkXOEGIvU

I know, right