Talk Elections

Here are all Prime minister and Presidents of Portugal

António Sebastião Ribeiro de Spínola; President (1974)
Francisco da Costa Gomes; President (1974-1976)
Adelino da Palma Carlos (1974)
Vasco dos Santos Gonçalves (1974-1975)
José Batista Pinheiro de Azevedo (1975-1976)
António dos Santos Ramalho Eanes; President (1976-1986)
Alfredo Jorge Nobre da Costa (1978)
Carlos Alberto da Mota Pinto (1978-1978)
Maria de Lourdes Ruivo da Silva Matos Pintasilgo (1979-1980)
Francisco Manuel Lumbrales de Sá Carneiro (1980)
Diogo Freitas do Amaral (1980-1981) (interim)
Francisco Pinto Balsemão (1981-1983)
Mário Alberto Nobre Lopes Soares (1976-1978; 1983-1985), President (1986-1996)
Aníbal António Cavaco Silva (1985-1995); President (2006-present)
António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres (1995-2002)
Jorge Fernando Branco de Sampaio President (1996-2006)
José Manuel Durão Barroso   (2002-2004)
Pedro Miguel Santana Lopes   (2004-2005)
José Sócrates Carvalho Pinto de Sousa (2005-present)

I write the complet name. The well-known name is bold ;)
 

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Vote is open for 24 hours+.

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Round 1 - Spínola 5, Sócrates 2, Durão Barroso 1
Round 2 - Vasco Gonçalves 4, da Costa Gomes 1
Round 3 - da Costa Gomes 3, Pinheiro de Azevedo 2, da Palma Carlos 1
Round 4 - Nobre da Costa 2, Pinheiro de Azevedo 2 da Palma Carlos 1
Round 5 - Pedro Santana Lopes 3, Pinheiro de Azevedo 2
Round 6 - Pinheiro de Azevedo 6
Round 7 - da Palma Carlos 2, Durão Barroso 1
Round 8 - Pinto Balsemão  3, José Sócrates   2, José Manuel Durão Barroso   1
Round 9 - José Manuel Durão Barroso   4, José Sócrates   3
Round 10 -  Diogo Freitas do Amaral   3, José Sócrates   2
Round 11 -  Carlos Mota Pinto   3, José Sócrates   2, Mário Soares   1
Round 12 -  José Sócrates   3, Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo 2, Mário Soares   1
Round 13 - Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo 5
Round 14 - Mário Soares   3, António Ramalho Eanes   2
Round 15 - António Ramalho Eanes   6,  António Guterres   1
Round 16 - Francisco Sá Carneiro  4, António Guterres   2
Round 17 - Aníbal Cavaco Silva  4, António Guterres   3
Round 18 - António Guterres   5, Jorge Sampaio   1

José Manuel Durão Barroso

Socrates

fab and Kalwejt, you begin with the big names. Sócrates and Durão Barroso aren't the best but there give worse like them.

I vote for António de Spínola

He was the first, provisional President after the Revolution. Spínola was not a part oft the group witch made the Carnation Revolution, but he was very famous and popular in the military. He resigns after his right-wing ideas have no majority in the MFA (Movimento das Forças Armadas) and then he want to make a right-wing coup attempt in March 1975.

You're right, but Kalwejt attacking frontly, I was forced to vote for Socrates. Otherwise, I would have voted for Spinola.
If this survivor isn't "popular", maybe I'll change my vote ! ;)

I don't expect that this survivor will be very "popular". Portugal isn't a big country and sometimes i think many don't know that Portugal is a country, they think this is something to eat :( :D

It's a tie.

For Sócrates, Barroso and Spínola one vote.

We need more votes or one must change his decision.

I switch my vote to Spinola.

PM Hash and Bono: they may be interested !
Or if they read this, they may say if they intend to vote in it.

(I've thought about a Portuguese one, but it's true the big number of interim guys in 1974-1979 isn't very easy to manage !)

Well, they all suck, but I vote for Socrates. Still time to change your vote big bad.

The people Spinola opposed were as bad as the Estado Novo people, and they very nearly plunged Portugal into a communist dictatorship.

The voting is still open for 22 hours. I write to some witch are interested by international politics ;)

Spínola

Spínola

Sócrates.

Spinola.

António de Spínola is out

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The result of round 1 was:
Spínola 5
Sócrates 2
Barroso 1

Start of Round 2:

I vote for:
Vasco Gonçalves

He was a General and very left-leaning. His politics polarized Portugal. I don't think that the chance was very big that Portugal going to be Communist, but he fortify the fear that this happend.

Oh yes, Vasco Gonçalves !

^^^^

One of the worst excuses for a human being ever in charge of Portugal's destinies, and that's saying something.

There must something wrong, when fab and Bono agree with my vote :D ;)

Vasco Gonçalves

Francisco da Costa Gomes. :P Who helped make UNITA.

@Lewis

The UNITA was founded in 1966 and make a secret agreement with Portuguese Government 1970 against the MPLA. The UNITA was in this time only a pawn of Portugal and later of the USA.

The politics of da Costa Gomes with Angola was not the best, but without him come the same trouble. In Portugal he wasn't so bad. His politics was against all extremists and maybe he was the best of the not democratic elected PM or Presidents after the 25. April

Yes. Or more precisely, they made an agreement with the then portuguese commander in Angola in 1970, Costa Gomes. (No doubt with the central government's agreement etc, that wasn't the point.)

Alright, which non-Communist early PM or President should I change my vote to in order to remain contrarian? ;D

Oh, this i forget :( You are right, he was the man who make this agreement. I know it and forget it. I think I'm getting old ;)

After checking your profile... no. That happened 11 years ago. :D

now I'm really down :( I feel like 50 years ;)

Vasco Gonçalves is out.

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The result of round 2 was:
Vasco Gonçalves  4
Francisco da Costa Gomes 1

Start of round 3:

I vote for Adelino da Palma Carlos

He was the wrong man on the wrong place. He want to bring all together, communists, socialists, centrists and conservatives. This was only a illusion.

I think I'll stick with Costa Gomes. I have a soft spot for naive idealism.

Pinheiro de Azevedo

Costa Gomes

Costa Gomes

Francisco da Costa Gomes is out

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The result of Round 3 is:

Costa Gomes   3
Pinheiro de Azevedo   2
da Palma Carlos   1

It was a very close race, but the 2. President is out.


Start of Round 4:

Azevedo or da Palma Carlos? Both are worth to eliminate.

I vote for Adelino da Palma Carlos
He was only a few month in power and after he resign he never had to do with politics. He knows that was not his world.

Pinheiro de Azevedo

Today it's a very low turnout :(

Come on Boys, we need more votes. In the moment it's a tie

Alright, Nobre da Costa. :)

Still a tie :(

We need more votes. The next vote makes the decision.

Nobre da Costa

After a low turnout:
Alfredo Jorge Nobre da Costa is out

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The result of round 4 was:

Nobre da Costa   2
Pinheiro de Azevedo   1
da Palma Carlos   1

I don't vote for him, but it was good to eliminate him. He wasn't a elected PM (President Eanes call him) and he changes nothing.

Start of round 5:

I think i must change my tactic  ;).

I vote for Pedro Santana Lopes.

His time as PM was terrible. He make all wrong what he can do. In the end the half of his Party PSD) don't want to do something with him (Cavaco Silva too)

Pinheiro de Azevedo

Pinheiro de Azevedo

Pedro Santana Lopes

Ah, that one. (shrugs)

Santana Lopes

Pedro Santana Lopes is out

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The result of Round 5

Pedro Santana Lopes 3
Pinheiro de Azevedo 2


Start of Round 6

I vote for Pinheiro de Azevedo

I vote for him, because I get no majority to eliminate  the "naive idealist" da Palma Carlos. By the way, i don't understand that conservative want him out. Da Palma Carlos was more left-leaning ;)

Pinheiro de Azevedo

Just ineffective and old-fashioned, in a sense.

I don't vote just for the more leftist guys. Really. It's a pity a Survivor is polluted by that.
That's why I feel forced to retaliate in the World Leaders Survivor ;)
The other international survivors should remain the most impartial as they can.
My German survivor was quite balanced and that's fine.
I hope the French one will remain as though.
I hope this one will remain as though.
For the British one, it's already over, unfortunately....
And that's why I carved the Soviet and sister party leaders survivor: there, no room for blind partisanship :D

pinheiro de azevedo

Pinheiro de Azevedo

Yay bandwagon.

Pinheiro de Azevedo is out

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The first who eliminate without a dissentient vote.

The Result of Round 6

Pinheiro de Azevedo 6


Start of Round 7

I think this round will be more exciting ;)

I vote for José Manuel Durão Barroso

He was the "poodle" of G. W. Bush (Iraq), an average PM and is a bad President of  the European Commission

da Palma Carlos

I agree with everything Hans said about Durrao Barroso, but I'm not sure he needs to go quite yet.

Say da Palma Carlos and he isn't out. Anyway, in the moment is a tie.

We need more votes :( It's a tie and only two votes. That's not enough ;)

You have 24 hours more to vote. When it give no other vote i change my vote to da Palma Carlos and he is out.

da Palma Carlos

da Palma Carlos is out

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The result of Round 7(It was a very low turnout):

All "revolutionary" PM and Presidents are eliminated

da Palma Carlos   2
Durão Barroso   1

Start of Round 8


I vote now for Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo.

I like her and she wasn't a bad woman, but she don't have big influence in the Portuguese politics. She was only a few months interim-PM and 1983 independent Candidate for president. She got only 7% and place 4.

I don't know her well... She seems to have implemented some measures for welfare, as a social catholic.

I vote for Balsemao.

Another astonishing choice ;) but, at least, there is a little suspense !

José Sócrates

Oh, I shouldn't have hesitated ! ;)

I was going to vote for somebody else, but after seeing the Socrates vote...

Barroso :P

Wow, 4-way tie... Good luck to break it ;)

A 4-way tie. Every day there is something new :)

We have in the moment one vote for:

Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo
Pinto Balsemão
José Manuel Durão Barroso
José Sócrates

We need more votes to break the tie.

@ fab

Pinto Balsemão is a good choice too. He was not the best PM and I think as PM a little bit overstrained . On the other hand he was a very important man in the PSD (in the grand coalition time)

Heh, it's tempting. But *cough* someone will organize a big Socrates Out drive next round.

Eeny Meeny Miny Moe....

Pinto Balsemao it is.

Well I vote for Socrates. Am I still on time? :P

Now it's a tie between Sócrates and Balsemão :(
2 hours time to breake it.

May I change my vote ?

I change my vote.

Pinto Balsemão

Haha, a bit scared ? ;)

Pinto Balsemão is out


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Result of Round 8

Pinto Balsemão  3
José Sócrates   2
José Manuel Durão Barroso   1


Start of Round 9

I vote for José Manuel Durão Barroso

It would be a shame when Sócrates will eliminated before this man

Yeah :D

José Sócrates . It's time for him to go.

Socrates

Barroso

Barroso

Sócrates

José Manuel Durão Barroso

After a very close race José Manuel Durão Barroso is out


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Result of Round 8

José Manuel Durão Barroso   4
José Sócrates   3

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Start of Round 10

I vote for Diogo Freitas do Amaral

Only a interim PM. In reality gives 2 Freitas do Amaral. In the 70ies ans 80ies a stubborn conservative in the later times more moderate. A short time foreign minister of José Sócrates. I vote for him because of his early times ;)

Socrates

Are today all sleeping ;)

Only 2 votes :(. We need more. In the moment it's a tie between Freitas do Amaral and Sócrates.

Freitas do Amaral

Wow, a tie again :D

You have 24 hours more time to vote. Maybe somebody break the tie.

Or you could change your vote, like in the last round ! ;)

Okay, when it is in the end of the round a tie, Sócrates is out. I'm not a big fan of him. I find him only better like Barroso, but all Sócrates-lovers can vote for Freitas do Amaral and save him ;)

Not a lover, exactly. But he seems more relevant and deserving of survival here.

Freitas do Amaral.

After a very close race Diogo Freitas do Amaral is out


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Result of Round 10

Diogo Freitas do Amaral   3
José Sócrates   2

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Start of Round 11

I vote for Carlos Alberto da Mota Pinto

All what I can say against Pinto Balsemão, I can say against him too.

Socrates

I like Sócrates a little bit more like Mota Pinto, but i hope he will eliminate soon. Meantime I've got a allergic reaction against his name ;D

Mota Pinto

José Sócrates.

Mota Pinto

Mario Soares. Senile self-centered old bastard. (Talking of his most recent role, of course.)

Come on Lewis, this isn't fair :( After the Revolution he was very good and without a man like him i don't know Portugal goes on the right way. Then the communists under Álvaro Cunhal (i don't support him, but a very important man) had no strong opponent. For today you are right, but maybe in 50 years it give people they say the same about you ;D

I don't hope to live past 70-75. :PYou say that like it would have been a bad thing. :P ;D

Yeah, this would be a bad thing. The PCP was and is very obedience to authority, The Boss speaks and all other say yes. This isn't the world i want. You can say this is in every party the same, but in the PCP it's extreme.   

Would that be the case still (post 1990, say) if it hadn't been pressed into a position where its survival is ensured and it has no chance of breaking out of its ghetto, though? No way to know...

I was partly sarcastic, of course. I know the PCP is a pretty unreconstructed Commie Party. Though a different outcome might indeed have been possible if events 74-6 would have gone differently. Oh well... I'm no great fan of alternative history, so no point engaging in writing one now.

Carlos Mota Pinto is out


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Result of Round 11

Carlos Mota Pinto  3
José Sócrates   2
Mário Soares   1

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Start of Round 12

I vote for Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo

I wrote it before. She wasn't a bad woman and I like her, but now she must go. She haven't influence in the Portuguese Politics and she was a little bit to Catholic for me ;)

Socrates...

Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo

Mario Soares.

Sócrates, again.

Sócrates

José Sócrates is out. I don't know I'm happy or sad ;)


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Result of Round 12

José Sócrates  3
Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo   2
Mario Sóares   1

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Start of Round 13

I vote for Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo

What I wrote before stands. To less important and to Catholic.

Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo

Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo

Despite her name and religious deeds,
Maria...

Whatever. I'll vote for Soares again next round.

Our Lady of Lourdes.

Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo is out.

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Result of Round 13

Maria de Lourdes Pintasilgo 5

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Start of Round 14

This round will be more exciting  ;)

I vote for António Ramalho Eanes

General Eanes was the first democratic elected President. He wasn’t really bad, but he had no concept. In the end of his second term he created a party, the PRD. In the election 1985 they got over 18%, but this party collapse very fast, because they don’t know what they want. After the 1987 election (the PRD go down to 5%) he retires from politics.

Mario Soares. Though Eanes would have been my next target.

António Ramalho Eanes.

Probably Soares next.

It's very difficult now.
Guterres, Sampaio, Cavaco Silva weren't big guys but weren't bad ones.
Soares is THE Portuguese leader, even if he may be more controversial.
Eanes is a bit dull and I haven't liked him, but, well, he was a bit a modern "father of the nation".

I don't want to waste my vote and we must have some suspense...

Soares

No, don't kill me, Hans-im-Glück !

That's democracy. Soares is my favourite, but when he is out (in the moment it`s a tie ;)) i don't cry.  Since Lewis the last rounds vote against him, i think Soares cannot win. By the way, 1975 i was a child (7 years old) and meet Mário Soares. He comes as foreign minster to my tiny little town in Germany. My father, he was from Portugal, go with me to the city hall and speaks with him. This day i think my father is very important :D. It's 35 years ago, but this day I'll never forget.

No panic fab, i don't kill you. I'm not a violent man ;).

I was just kiddin'.

Fine to learn that you've met with a "big" part of Portugal's history ! :)

Ah. I'd been wanting to ask you why you care so much about Portugal. :D

It's a tie between Soares ans Eanes. We need more votes.

Soares

Mário Soares is out. :'(

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Result of Round 14

Mário Soares 3
António Ramalho Eanes 2

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Start of Round 15

These are the Top 5:

António dos Santos Ramalho Eanes; President (1976-1986)
Francisco Manuel Lumbrales de Sá Carneiro (1980)
Aníbal António Cavaco Silva (1985-1995); President (2006-present)
António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres (1995-2002)
Jorge Fernando Branco de Sampaio President (1996-2006)

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I vote for António Ramalho Eanes

I say all about him in the last round

Eanes

Eanes.

Eanes

António Guterres

Very difficult, now.

Eanes

Eanes

António Ramalho Eanes is out.

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Result of Round 15

António Ramalho Eanes 6
António Guterres 1

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Start of Round 16

These are the Top 4:
 
Francisco Manuel Lumbrales de Sá Carneiro (1980)
Aníbal António Cavaco Silva (1985-1995); President (2006-present)
António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres (1995-2002)
Jorge Fernando Branco de Sampaio President (1996-2006)

You can 24 hours vote for the PM or President you want to eliminate.

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I vote for Francisco Sá Carneiro

Sá Carneiro is the last of the short-time PM. He died in a plane crash and was only a few month PM. 1980 he created with Freitas do Amaral the AD (Democratic Alliance), a combined list of PSD, CDS and PPM. He had e lean victory in the election. After his death he is like a saint for the conservatives. I think he is overrated, because in his short term he makes nothing special and when it gave no accident he had the same failure like Pinto Balsemão.

Sá Carneiro

Francisco Sá Carneiro

Guterres

Sá Carneiro

Francisco Sá Carneiro is out.

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Result of Round 16

Francisco Sá Carneiro 4
António Guterres  2

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Start of Round 17

These are the Final 3:
 
Aníbal António Cavaco Silva (1985-1995); President (2006-present)
António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres (1995-2002)
Jorge Fernando Branco de Sampaio President (1996-2006)

You can 24 hours vote for the PM or President you want to eliminate.

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I vote for Aníbal Cavaco Silva

Now it will be difficult. None of the three is really good and my favorite is already out :'( .  I don't like Cavaco Silva (as president he is a little bit better). He changed his Portugal with his policy, but not only for good. There was no social progress who came from him. When he was at the government he lived only from the money of the European Union. Many, many money was wasted for nothing.

Guterres

^^


Dammit, should have voted sooner. :\

Guterres

Aníbal Cavaco Silva

Yes... :(
Sa Carneiro is already out...

Cavaco Silva. Unlike all the other votes cast in this round  so far, this is not a partisan hack vote. This is a tactical vote to prevent a partisan hack vote next round.

Well, in any case, I can reveal my final vote: I want to make Sampaio to win ;) Cavaco Silva isn't that good....

:D fab it's in the moment a tie, but maybe comes someone to vote. Xahar have this round not voted and Hashemite make the political test for Portugal and he had 86% for the PS ;D

I never expect that you are a Sampaio supporter. Maybe you like politicans they where in the past in leftist parties and in mainstream parties now. You voted for Barroso too and the was in the beginning in the Maoist PCTP-MRPP, Sampaio in the left-socialist MES ;) ;D

I know. In fact, I don't like those odd "evolutions" (but, I was trotskyite for one month at the age of 12, and then, rocardien-mendésiste until the age of 19... so maybe there's an explanation in here ! ;)).
That's just that Sampaio was a fine president (not very difficult in Portugal, you may say) and Cavaco Silva wasn't very loveable personally.

And, contrary to a part of my "reputation" (if I have one at all...) due to the World Leaders Survivor, Im' not basically a partisan hack (only if the others are: that's why I was ready to vote for Socrates when Barroso was voted in round one, for example).

In the moment it's tie. 3 -3 between Cavaco Silva and Guterres. Who wants to break it?

Not Kalwejt's or Hashemite's coins !

somebody must do the final vote. It is more 12 hours to vote.

Cavaco Silva

Sorry, right-wingers.

After a very close race Aníbal Cavaco Silva is out.

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Result of Round 17

Aníbal Cavaco Silva  4
António Guterres    3

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Start of Round 18

The finalists are:
 
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António Manuel de Oliveira Guterres, Prime Minister (1995-2002)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant%C3%B3nio_Guterres

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Jorge Fernando Branco de Sampaio, President (1996-2006)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Sampaio

You can 36 hours vote for the PM or President you want to eliminate.

I vote for António Guterres

I like both and it's very difficult to eliminate one. Sampaio I like a little bit more and his political opinion is closer to my. Maybe it is only so that as President you make fewer mistakes ;)

Guterres

Guterres

Guterres

Guterres

Sampiao

The Portuguese Survivor is over.

And the winner is:

Jorge Fernando Branco de Sampaio

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The result of the final was:

António Guterres   5
Jorge Sampaio   1

I think we have a good winner. It's not my favourite, but he was a good President and Sampaio don't polarize so much. Guterres was Prime Minister and this is a possition the public have more to criticize.

I say Thank You to all voters. I think it was a nice Survivor of politcans of a small Country. In the moment it give more than enough Survivors here, but it exists many countries and organisations ;). I think we see more of them here :)

A good winner, I think.
Thanks for this Survivor that you managed until the end: Ihad the idea and dropped it because I thought many wouldn't vote in it...

Don't worry, we'll do "small" countries survivors !
even though it's not easy: I wouldn't be able to vote on all Belgian prime ministers or all Finnish presidents.
But, I've got some ideas ;)

And, well, with my big historical one, with Stalin's inner circle, French 20th century, my 2 on the UN and the EU, with Senate Majority Leaders, I'll wait a bit...

I was also skeptical about it. But I think we had for a country like Portugal, it is indeed not in the center of attention, a good participation. I would certainly intrested by a Survivor of Spain or Argentina. A very big Survivor would be a Pope Survivor ;)

In the moment gives enough Survivors and we will see what the future brings. I think we have many ideas. :D