Title: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Bo on December 22, 2009, 02:21:35 AM
Grant wins
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on December 23, 2009, 06:31:24 AM
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Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Bo on December 23, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
Why would Andrew Johnson do so well against Grant? He was extremely unpopular in 1868 (and he was not removed from office by one vote), and running against a popular war hero would almost certainly cause Johnson to lose in a landslide, especially since many blacks throguhout the South were given the right to vote and American troops were still in the South to make sure that this right was enforced.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on December 23, 2009, 06:54:04 PM
Well maybe not the impeached Johnson, but certainly the Johnson coming off electoral victory in 1864 with Abe Lincoln.
Johnson was very much like Polk, southern populist that served in times of war.
WVA, LA, and TN probably would have trended towards Johnson's way the others can be argued.
Disenfranchisement among blacks were very widespread in the south except for Florida.
Johnson was very much like Polk, southern populist that served in times of war.
WVA, LA, and TN probably would have trended towards Johnson's way the others can be argued.
Disenfranchisement among blacks were very widespread in the south except for Florida.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Bo on December 23, 2009, 06:59:32 PM
I thought of Johnson being very much like Polk both Southern populist that served during the times of war.
Coming out of the Civil War the Union was very much divided and I thought of in terms of disenfranchisement of blacks that southern states other than Florida would have prevented black males from voting.
Coming out of the Civil War the Union was very much divided and I thought of in terms of disenfranchisement of blacks that southern states other than Florida would have prevented black males from voting.
Also, why would Johnson win New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey, and Iowa. Those states hated him very much. Horatio Seymour only won New York and New Jersey in 1868 because he was Governor of New York, and besides, Seymour was nowhere near as racist and controversial as Johnson was.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on December 23, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
Polk and Pierce both won Iowa and NH before the Civil War and I was thinking in terms of that.
But on the other side of things NY and NJ weren't going Democratic.
But on the other side of things NY and NJ weren't going Democratic.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: CatoMinor on December 23, 2009, 07:12:26 PM
Johnson would get destroyed just about everywhere
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Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on December 23, 2009, 07:18:22 PM
Probably the result would be similar to the 1904 result concerning alton parker without TX.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Bo on December 23, 2009, 07:21:18 PM
Johnson would get destroyed just about everywhere
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This map seems about right, except I would make Florida barker blue and give Kentucky to Grant.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: CPT MikeyMike on December 23, 2009, 07:21:49 PM
I thought of Johnson being very much like Polk both Southern populist that served during the times of war.
Coming out of the Civil War the Union was very much divided and I thought of in terms of disenfranchisement of blacks that southern states other than Florida would have prevented black males from voting.
Coming out of the Civil War the Union was very much divided and I thought of in terms of disenfranchisement of blacks that southern states other than Florida would have prevented black males from voting.
Also, why would Johnson win New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey, and Iowa. Those states hated him very much. Horatio Seymour only won New York and New Jersey in 1868 because he was Governor of New York, and besides, Seymour was nowhere near as racist and controversial as Johnson was.
Here is the clear answer - WEB Dubios has never had any logic when creating election what-if maps.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Bo on December 23, 2009, 07:24:38 PM
I thought of Johnson being very much like Polk both Southern populist that served during the times of war.
Coming out of the Civil War the Union was very much divided and I thought of in terms of disenfranchisement of blacks that southern states other than Florida would have prevented black males from voting.
Coming out of the Civil War the Union was very much divided and I thought of in terms of disenfranchisement of blacks that southern states other than Florida would have prevented black males from voting.
Also, why would Johnson win New Hampshire, New York, New Jersey, and Iowa. Those states hated him very much. Horatio Seymour only won New York and New Jersey in 1868 because he was Governor of New York, and besides, Seymour was nowhere near as racist and controversial as Johnson was.
Here is the clear answer - WEB Dubios has never had any logic when creating election what-if maps.
If that's genuinely the case, then he should stop making them.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on December 23, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
You are very much incorrect on that one, the earlier maps not so much because those maps are controversal, but the present time maps like from the 1960's onward I am very much accurate on my predictions.
Title: Re: Johnson vs. Grant 1868
Post by: CPT MikeyMike on December 23, 2009, 07:40:20 PM
You are very much incorrect on that one, the earlier maps not so much because those maps are controversal, but the present time maps like from the 1960's onward I am very much accurate on my predictions.
BULLsh**t!!
And here is just one example...
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=64060.msg1328072#msg1328072