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Title: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Bo on January 01, 2010, 04:32:10 pm
You can only choose from both houses of Congress and any governor of any U.S. state.

When I said "Economically Liberal" I mean someone who supports an economic policy that favors ordinary Americans at the expense of the rich. I guess Chris Smith (Representative from NJ-04) would be a viable option. It's sad that there are very few economically liberal Republicans left after Reagan and Bush Sr. purged most of them from the party or forced them to change their economic positions and embrace "trickle-down economics." Back before Reagan there were many economically liberal Republicans: Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Rockefeller, and even Bush Sr. (before he flip-flopped his positions) come to mind. I'm sure there were much more than that, though.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Franzl on January 01, 2010, 04:40:38 pm
Maybe Cao? By American definition at least.

Otherwise Coburn.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Scott Inman (D) OK Gov 2018 on January 01, 2010, 04:57:03 pm
Maybe Cao? By American definition at least.

Otherwise Coburn.

That's sad when you can link Coburn and the word liberal in any sense.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Franzl on January 01, 2010, 05:37:00 pm
That's sad when you can link Coburn and the word liberal in any sense.

Yeah it is actually a crime to connect him in any way with liberalism, but he would meet my definition of economic liberalism.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right N
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on January 01, 2010, 05:45:13 pm
Cao


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Scott Inman (D) OK Gov 2018 on January 01, 2010, 06:09:07 pm
That's sad when you can link Coburn and the word liberal in any sense.

Yeah it is actually a crime to connect him in any way with liberalism, but he would meet my definition of economic liberalism.

I wonder if he would be more or less economically liberal than me?


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Franzl on January 01, 2010, 06:21:11 pm
That's sad when you can link Coburn and the word liberal in any sense.

Yeah it is actually a crime to connect him in any way with liberalism, but he would meet my definition of economic liberalism.

I wonder if he would be more or less economically liberal than me?

More of course, you support a lot of Democratic programs and regulation.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on January 01, 2010, 06:38:50 pm
This is BS, there were many Rockefeller and Goldwater Republicans long after the Reagan/Bush Sr. Reagan trully beleived in a big tent party and brought in members from all across the party like Sen Mark Hatfield and John Chafee into the discussions and meetings. Unlike Bush who ostracized on purpose Jim Jeffords speeding up his leaving the party and began the era of purge the moderates in 2001.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right N
Post by: Jbrase on January 01, 2010, 06:41:50 pm
Cao


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Bo on January 01, 2010, 06:43:07 pm
This is BS, there were many Rockefeller and Goldwater Republicans long after the Reagan/Bush Sr. Reagan trully beleived in a big tent party and brought in members from all across the party like Sen Mark Hatfield and John Chafee into the discussions and meetings. Unlike Bush who ostracized on purpose Jim Jeffords speeding up his leaving the party and began the era of purge the moderates in 2001.

Goldwater Republicans are NOT liberal on economic issues. As for the Rockefeller Republicans that remained after Reagan/Bush Sr., they were mostly moderate/liberal on social issues, but became very conservative on economic issues (even though some of them might have been more liberal on economic issues before Reagan/Bush Sr. came into power).


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 01, 2010, 08:43:41 pm
Tough to beat Coburn on this front.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Vice President PiT on January 01, 2010, 10:02:02 pm
     Coburn by the sensible definition of the term. I guess Cao is a good contender for the American definition.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 01, 2010, 10:54:25 pm
By the American definition, it's probably some nominal Republican holding some small office somewhere.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on January 02, 2010, 01:29:31 am
Tom Coburn is not a liberal either even by European definition, under which even that there is a different between liberal and conservative. You don't see Coburn fitting well in the Liberal Democrats or Democrats 66 even economically do you? A European economic liberal would be like Mark Kirk (at least before he started running for Senate and got all teabaggy.)


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on January 02, 2010, 06:13:14 am
Tom Coburn is not a liberal either even by European definition, under which even that there is a different between liberal and conservative. You don't see Coburn fitting well in the Liberal Democrats or Democrats 66 even economically do you? A European economic liberal would be like Mark Kirk (at least before he started running for Senate and got all teabaggy.)

That's an insult to european liberals.

Kirk is an asshole.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 02, 2010, 06:16:35 am
Tom Coburn is not a liberal either even by European definition, under which even that there is a different between liberal and conservative. You don't see Coburn fitting well in the Liberal Democrats or Democrats 66 even economically do you? A European economic liberal would be like Mark Kirk (at least before he started running for Senate and got all teabaggy.)

Obviously Coburn wouldn't fit well in a liberal party, but nobody's calling him a liberal. His economic policies, howeber, are extremely neoliberal.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Farage on January 02, 2010, 01:27:15 pm
ron paul


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 02, 2010, 08:40:25 pm
ron paul

Not counting his anti-free trade votes.  It's not his intention to protect labor in those cases.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: President Mitt on January 02, 2010, 10:14:30 pm
ron paul

lol


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on January 02, 2010, 11:22:33 pm
Tom Coburn is not a liberal either even by European definition, under which even that there is a different between liberal and conservative. You don't see Coburn fitting well in the Liberal Democrats or Democrats 66 even economically do you? A European economic liberal would be like Mark Kirk (at least before he started running for Senate and got all teabaggy.)

Obviously Coburn wouldn't fit well in a liberal party, but nobody's calling him a liberal. His economic policies, howeber, are extremely neoliberal.

Far right economically != neoliberal. Lots of extremist libertarians hate neoliberals. I know Bono does.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Bo on January 06, 2010, 01:42:32 am
Tom Coburn is not a liberal either even by European definition, under which even that there is a different between liberal and conservative. You don't see Coburn fitting well in the Liberal Democrats or Democrats 66 even economically do you? A European economic liberal would be like Mark Kirk (at least before he started running for Senate and got all teabaggy.)

Obviously Coburn wouldn't fit well in a liberal party, but nobody's calling him a liberal. His economic policies, howeber, are extremely neoliberal.

Far right economically != neoliberal. Lots of extremist libertarians hate neoliberals. I know Bono does.

Is Bono really a libertarian? I thought he was a liberal.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Vice President PiT on January 06, 2010, 03:53:03 am
Tom Coburn is not a liberal either even by European definition, under which even that there is a different between liberal and conservative. You don't see Coburn fitting well in the Liberal Democrats or Democrats 66 even economically do you? A European economic liberal would be like Mark Kirk (at least before he started running for Senate and got all teabaggy.)

Obviously Coburn wouldn't fit well in a liberal party, but nobody's calling him a liberal. His economic policies, howeber, are extremely neoliberal.

Far right economically != neoliberal. Lots of extremist libertarians hate neoliberals. I know Bono does.

Is Bono really a libertarian? I thought he was a liberal.

     He is a liberal. At least, in the same sense I'm a liberal, Libertas is a liberal, & Einzige is a liberal. If you mean you thought he was economically leftist, he's easily the most right-leaning of the forum libertarians.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Scam of God on January 06, 2010, 04:16:47 am
Actually, I'm pretty sure Philip qualifies as the most far-right libertarian on the forum, and he's so far right that I'd never live in any country he governed. Mech and I probably tie for most left-leaning.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Vice President PiT on January 06, 2010, 04:34:42 am
Actually, I'm pretty sure Philip qualifies as the most far-right libertarian on the forum, and he's so far right that I'd never live in any country he governed. Mech and I probably tie for most left-leaning.

     In my experience, Philip tends to be more balanced in the positions he endorses while Bono mostly fights his battles over economic issues (he once professed to not caring about same-sex marriage).


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Scam of God on January 06, 2010, 04:39:58 am
Actually, I'm pretty sure Philip qualifies as the most far-right libertarian on the forum, and he's so far right that I'd never live in any country he governed. Mech and I probably tie for most left-leaning.

     In my experience, Philip tends to be more balanced in the positions he endorses while Bono mostly fights his battles over economic issues (he once professed to not caring about same-sex marriage).

He does, however, have a lot of that HURR CHRISTIANITY HURR attitude that's common among those on the paleocon spectrum.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Vice President PiT on January 06, 2010, 04:45:29 am
Actually, I'm pretty sure Philip qualifies as the most far-right libertarian on the forum, and he's so far right that I'd never live in any country he governed. Mech and I probably tie for most left-leaning.

     In my experience, Philip tends to be more balanced in the positions he endorses while Bono mostly fights his battles over economic issues (he once professed to not caring about same-sex marriage).

He does, however, have a lot of that HURR CHRISTIANITY HURR attitude that's common among those on the paleocon spectrum.

     I don't know if I've ever seen Philip post anything on the topic of religion, but Bono is someone who seriously takes part in theological discussions. I don't recall what his theological leanings are, though.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Coburn In 2012 on January 06, 2010, 11:43:15 am
That's sad when you can link Coburn and the word liberal in any sense.

Yeah it is actually a crime to connect him in any way with liberalism, but he would meet my definition of economic liberalism.

There is nothing liberal about the greatest patriot in the Senate.  Coburn is anti welfare, anti nanny state, anti liberal in every way.  Plus like a true conservative he wants every dime accounted for and he wants people to answer for how they spend.

He is the anti pork crusader.  How can you call that liberal.  Liberal = pork.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on January 06, 2010, 06:53:21 pm
That's sad when you can link Coburn and the word liberal in any sense.

Yeah it is actually a crime to connect him in any way with liberalism, but he would meet my definition of economic liberalism.

There is nothing liberal about the greatest patriot in the Senate.  Coburn is anti welfare, anti nanny state, anti liberal in every way.  Plus like a true conservative he wants every dime accounted for and he wants people to answer for how they spend.

He is the anti pork crusader.  How can you call that liberal.  Liberal = pork.

Ever heard of Thad Cochran, or Saxby Chambliss? Both are conservatives, both are porkers.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: 5280 on January 06, 2010, 10:01:11 pm
Interesting thread to read!


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Vepres on January 06, 2010, 10:08:27 pm
Jim Douglas, maybe Cao


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: RI on January 07, 2010, 12:44:29 am
John Hoeven has never particularly shied away from fiscal spending, especially for education and infrastructure projects.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Badger on January 07, 2010, 10:42:38 am
Based on support of the stimulus and at least passing support of health care reform, Snowe.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee on January 08, 2010, 10:10:51 am
John Hoeven has never particularly shied away from fiscal spending, especially for education and infrastructure projects.

North Dakota is certainly better off for it. Hoeven for President in 2016!!!!



Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Badger on January 12, 2010, 01:05:28 pm
John Hoeven has never particularly shied away from fiscal spending, especially for education and infrastructure projects.

North Dakota Every state is certainly better off for it. Hoeven Vote Democratic for President in 2016!!!!



Corrected.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: perdedor on January 15, 2010, 11:50:41 am
To make an rather boring and predictable point, it depends on definition of "liberal", assuming we are using the term to mean "left-wing", I can't think of many. I know Cao voted for the stimulus, but I can't think of any current Republican that would fit in with the *old Republican party of the mid to late 1800's (pro-tariff, anti-trust, anti-big business).


*I understand that these aren't universal principles of that century's Republican Party (namely the likes of Rutherford Hayes and James Garfield)


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: shua on March 11, 2010, 04:26:09 pm
To make an rather boring and predictable point, it depends on definition of "liberal", assuming we are using the term to mean "left-wing", I can't think of many. I know Cao voted for the stimulus, but I can't think of any current Republican that would fit in with the *old Republican party of the mid to late 1800's (pro-tariff, anti-trust, anti-big business).


*I understand that these aren't universal principles of that century's Republican Party (namely the likes of Rutherford Hayes and James Garfield)

late 19thc GOP: anti-monopoly? yes. anti-big business? no.

as for the original question: Snowe.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Mechaman on March 11, 2010, 04:32:46 pm
To make an rather boring and predictable point, it depends on definition of "liberal", assuming we are using the term to mean "left-wing", I can't think of many. I know Cao voted for the stimulus, but I can't think of any current Republican that would fit in with the *old Republican party of the mid to late 1800's (pro-tariff, anti-trust, anti-big business).


*I understand that these aren't universal principles of that century's Republican Party (namely the likes of Rutherford Hayes and James Garfield)

Pro-tariff equals anti big business?
Are you f***ing kidding me? I thought the point of a high protective tariff was to make American business bigger.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: James Rivington on March 11, 2010, 04:39:33 pm
pro-tariff, anti-trust, anti-big business


Does not follow.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on March 11, 2010, 04:54:24 pm
You can only choose from both houses of Congress and any governor of any U.S. state.

When I said "Economically Liberal" I mean someone who supports an economic policy that favors ordinary Americans at the expense of the rich.

Using that definition, Ron Paul.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Bo on March 25, 2010, 11:46:21 pm
You can only choose from both houses of Congress and any governor of any U.S. state.

When I said "Economically Liberal" I mean someone who supports an economic policy that favors ordinary Americans at the expense of the rich.

Using that definition, Ron Paul.

Haha very funny.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on April 14, 2010, 06:00:53 pm
I'm still not clear but what "economically liberal" means in the context of this thread.

Are "ordinary Americans" small businesspeople, middle class, working class, the poor, or what?

I would say Ron Paul for non-corporatist definitions, but he would certainly seem to favor businesspeople over workers.  Not sure if we're using a more left-leaning populist definition.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: tpfkaw on July 21, 2010, 05:28:22 pm
Not counting his anti-free trade votes.  It's not his intention to protect labor in those cases.
Yes it is.


Title: Re: Who Is the Most Economically Liberal Republican Politician In Office Right Now?
Post by: Bo on July 27, 2010, 05:58:31 pm
I'm still not clear but what "economically liberal" means in the context of this thread.

Are "ordinary Americans" small businesspeople, middle class, working class, the poor, or what?

I would say Ron Paul for non-corporatist definitions, but he would certainly seem to favor businesspeople over workers.  Not sure if we're using a more left-leaning populist definition.

Yes, ordinary people are small businesspeople, middle class, working class, and the poor in the context of this question.