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General Politics => Individual Politics => Topic started by: Mechaman on February 15, 2010, 01:27:18 PM



Title: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Mechaman on February 15, 2010, 01:27:18 PM
Well what do you think?


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: SvenssonRS on February 15, 2010, 01:31:44 PM
Nope. He's an open one. ;)


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Mechaman on February 15, 2010, 01:34:13 PM

I figure what better defense against those who cry "closet socialism" than by out right admitting to being one. I mean seriously, the "socialism" charge, which makes many a non-Republican shift in their boots, is nothing against an admitted Democratic Socialist.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: SvenssonRS on February 15, 2010, 01:36:13 PM

I figure what better defense against those who cry "closet socialism" than by out right admitting to being one. I mean seriously, the "socialism" charge, which makes many a non-Republican shift in their boots, is nothing against an admitted Democratic Socialist.

Agreed. Also takes quite a lot of balls to do, which is quite respectable.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 15, 2010, 01:38:04 PM
Nope; he's the best man in Congress.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Bo on February 15, 2010, 02:11:59 PM
Probably. Doesn't he self-identify as one?


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 15, 2010, 03:26:21 PM
Er, a social-democrat, yes. I've never heard him advocate for a proletarian revolution.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Sewer on February 15, 2010, 03:33:02 PM
Nope; he's the best man in Congress.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Mechaman on February 15, 2010, 03:43:50 PM
Er, a social-democrat, yes. I've never heard him advocate for a proletarian revolution.

I've heard him multiple times, once on the Colbert Report, openly call himself a "Democratic Socialist". Sure it's not dye in the wool socialism, but it's still "socialism".


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on February 15, 2010, 03:48:51 PM
He's a proud democratic socialist.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Psychic Octopus on February 15, 2010, 04:14:06 PM


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on February 15, 2010, 04:19:26 PM


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: KeeptheChange on February 15, 2010, 04:41:43 PM
It's true.  Sanders caucuses with the Democrat Party but he is actually registered as a Socialist.  Which should speak volumes to the people of Vermont and America about what the Democrat agenda really is...


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on February 15, 2010, 05:25:16 PM
It's true.  Sanders caucuses with the Democrat Party but he is actually registered as a Socialist.  Which should speak volumes to the people of Vermont and America about what the Democrat agenda really is...

     Bernie Sanders caucuses with a Thai party? I wonder what other nations he's caucusing with parties from.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Bono on February 15, 2010, 05:57:04 PM

And yet, at least 11 senators (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/01/24/how-many-senators-are-more-liberal-than-the-socialist-one/) are more liberal than he is.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Sewer on February 15, 2010, 06:22:28 PM

And yet, at least 11 senators (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/01/24/how-many-senators-are-more-liberal-than-the-socialist-one/) are more liberal than he is.

Oh Lieberman that nuty liberal.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 15, 2010, 06:32:10 PM
No. He's out and proud.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: The Mikado on February 15, 2010, 07:17:32 PM

I'm seeing him with a "Red Pride" flag marching through the street shouting "We're here, we're out to redistribute wealth and build a social safety net while protecting labor from exploitation, get used to it!"

A bit of an unwieldy chant, now that I look at it.  The real lefties are good at making up those chants, so I'm sure he'd have something catchier.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Hash on February 15, 2010, 07:35:19 PM
It's true.  Sanders caucuses with the Democrat Party but he is actually registered as a Socialist.  Which should speak volumes to the people of Vermont and America about what the Democrat agenda really is...

     Bernie Sanders caucuses with a Thai party? I wonder what other nations he's caucusing with parties from.

Especially surprising he caucuses with a conservative Thai party!


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Sewer on February 15, 2010, 07:39:10 PM
It's true.  Sanders caucuses with the Democrat Party but he is actually registered as a Socialist.

Mmm, no he is a registered independent.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 15, 2010, 08:11:56 PM
I don't find it offensive that conservatives have called me a socialist.  I find it offensive that they think that that's necessarily a bad thing.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 15, 2010, 08:56:07 PM

So in the "European Left" sense? Old Labour, Parti Socialiste, PSOE, PASOK etc?


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 15, 2010, 10:26:47 PM

So in the "European Left" sense? Old Labour, Parti Socialiste, PSOE, PASOK etc?

Or in the American left sense, as Paul Wellstone would put it, the "Democratic wing of the Democratic party".


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Coburn In 2012 on February 16, 2010, 03:59:42 AM
He is an out of the closet Socialist but his views are more like Communist.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: You kip if you want to... on February 16, 2010, 08:13:17 AM
He is an out of the closet Socialist but his views are more like Communist.

Just... no. :P


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: opebo on February 16, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
It's true.  Sanders caucuses with the Democrat Party but he is actually registered as a Socialist.  Which should speak volumes to the people of Vermont and America about what the Democrat agenda really is...

     Bernie Sanders caucuses with a Thai party? I wonder what other nations he's caucusing with parties from.

Especially surprising he caucuses with a conservative Thai party!

The Democrats are more like a Liberal party - right wing on economic issues but not at all on social issues.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 16, 2010, 10:56:36 AM
Er, a social-democrat, yes. I've never heard him advocate for a proletarian revolution.

"Socialism" is very broad term. For me it's Democratic Socialism. Yes, Sanders is a Democratic Socialist and I guess he openly declared in these words.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 16, 2010, 11:07:54 AM
No way, he is just a Social-Democrat.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Hash on February 16, 2010, 06:05:36 PM

Yes. Democratic socialist usually denotes people of the Melenchon-Lafontaine type. Sanders isn't like Melenchon.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: The Mikado on February 16, 2010, 06:16:58 PM
He is an out of the closet Socialist but his views are more like Communist.

Hmm...You mean he goes around advocating worker ownership of the means of production and the abolition of private property?  You'd think that that'd have gotten around by now.  Maybe because he doesn't say that.

The poor word communism...so mistreated.  It has a very specific meaning, people.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 16, 2010, 06:26:48 PM
He is an out of the closet Socialist but his views are more like Communist.

Hmm...You mean he goes around advocating worker ownership of the means of production and the abolition of private property?  You'd think that that'd have gotten around by now.  Maybe because he doesn't say that.

The poor word communism...so mistreated.  It has a very specific meaning, people.

Meaning of word "socialism" is rather broad fellows. There is thing like Democratic Socialism, and Sanders declared himself these words.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on November 08, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
wew lad


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on November 13, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
No, he's an overt socialist.  He called himself one.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Clark Kent on November 14, 2016, 12:51:44 AM
No, he's an overt socialist.  He called himself one.


Title: Re: Is Bernie Sanders a closet socialist?
Post by: Intell on November 14, 2016, 03:18:46 AM
I think he's more left-wing then he entails, as he wast part of liberty union,a radical left-wing party. He was part of a socialist party in his youth, so I think he moderated his positions to be elected, and that is why he probably calls himself democratic socialism rather than social democrat, a hardening of his actual socialistic positions of his youth. He honey-mooned in the Soviet Union, no?