Talk Elections

is it true that bush did worse with asians than bob dole did?  if so, what are the resons for this?  are asians trending more democratic than they once were?

im not an asian, but i thought the clinton/gore handling of the los alamos case was wrong.  

Asians are generally as far right as possible: socially and fiscally, myself included.

western mode of thought superimposed on your logical answer, do you suppose confucius would be a republican?

okay, here are some links:
http://www.asianam.org/asian%20am%20in%20california.htm (misc cal stats)
http://www.asianweek.com/2001_05_18/bay1_judychuwins.html (cal stuff)
http://www.arthurhu.com/index/avote.htm (general and weird)
http://www.rnc.org/OutReach/Default.aspx (RNC propaganda)
http://www.democrats.org/links/ (DNC propaganda)

Asians generally don't involve themselves in politics, but when they do, it's usually democratic. Think about it- 40% of the Asian population live in California and New York City. Really, are you suprised they are liberal?

Vietnamese-Americans are usually very conservative.

Yeah, I remember seeing data for different Asian groups. Vietnamese are rightwing. It's kind of logical as so many of them got to the US as political refugees from South Vietnam. Kind of like a mellower version of Cubans. I think Filipinos were the most left wing.
But I don't know why Dole was so popular among Asians.

In 2000, Al Gore won the Asian (and I use it liberally) vote mainly due to the Hawaii, but state side Bush ran even with Al Gore in California, which has a high percentage of Asians.

that site have diffrent numbers

http://www.aamovement.net/viewpoints/election2ka.html (http://www.aamovement.net/viewpoints/election2ka.html)

Hispanics as well.  The Asians and Latin Americans are in generally very conservative by US standards.  They only go to the Democrats because of the Democratic Party's success at seeming to be the pro-immigration party; understandible considering that most Asian-Americans and Hispanic-Americans are 1-4 generation or immigrants.

It's impossible that someone who is conservative by American standards wouldn't be in another country, since you're so far to the right. ;)

'There was this Asian gang, they looked Asian and they spoke this weird language, I think it might have been...ASIAN!' :)

The Asian voters, although I don't think they can become politically united, are a good group to court for the democrats because they are arriving in every urban and suburban area. They strike me as pro-affirmitive action (although they do lose from it) and are likely to be pro gun control and more secular.

Correct!  Speaking as an Asian-American,  I have observed that Asians due to tend to flock towards metro areas like SF, Seattle, Chicago, Northeast cities - fairly Democratic areas.   Asians do like the Fiscal conservativism offered by the traditional Republican party (mainly because of lower taxes), but, in general, they do not like the gun control, abortion and faith-based views of the traditional Republican party.  And most view Republicans as non-friendly and non-tolerant towards Ethnic groups.  For Asians, Bill Clinton has been the greatest President because he balanced the budget and had great regard and respect for the contributions of Asians to America's economy, technology and culture.

I do find it interesting that Bob Dole won the Asian vote, but I am not shocked that Bush did worse than Dole among Asians. Asians tend to be urban/suburban and well-educated, and therefore would tend to not identify with a candidate like GWB.

umm.

im not asian, but i consider myself to be well educated...and i identify with bush.

You are not part of the geographic anti-Bush belt, so the same rules don't apply.

I respect that. I'm just saying that on average well-educated people are less likely to identify with Bush, particularly if other variables are controlled for.

I live in the Raleigh-Durham area (there are three major colleges in this region), and yes, the same rules do tend to apply here.

Where in N.C. do you live, WalterMitty?

Asians are generally not Christian, so the evangelicals tend to alienate Asian communities.  But Asians are conservative on most social issues: women's rights, gay marriage, affirmative action.  There are a few pro-AA asians but not many, even among the sections who do benefit.  In India, the right to property for women is being deliberated in the courts right now.  Though they are not Christian many are very religious: Hindu, Muslim, and Buddhist.

nclib:  i live near greensboro.

Actually, I think a majority of Asians in the US are Christian, especially Koreans (assuming you are not counting Indians, Pakistanis, etc. among Asians).  One big difference is that Asian Christians tend to be in favor of religious tolerance and against state enforcement of religious values, because they are mindful of how the same efforts have been by Asian governments to suppress Christianity.

Very true.


Woah woah woah slow down. What faith-based views of the republican party? The 'traditional' republican part is liberal! The republican part isn't faith-based. Secondly, most asians I know are against abortion, reason being that about a third of all American Asians are Christians, with Catholicism being the largest religion among Asian-Americans at 21%. Further, 10% of Asian-Americans are Buddhist, and Buddhism condemns abortion, and additional 6% are Muslim or Jewish. Only about 20% of asians have a religious excuse to support abortion.



Yes, we just hate people who look different. They should all die. Or wait, wasn't it democrat Ernest Hollings who made racist statements towards Jews? Dan Rather from CBS who made racist statements towards blacks? hmmm


First, the economy was already being balanced from Reagan's economic plan. Clinton simply took the credit for it. As a matter of fact, currently, we have the lowest unemployment rate since Reagan was in office. It est, there was a lot of unemployment in Clinton's office. Second, he refused to restrict trade with China and opened up new ways to trade with human-rights stealer, China. Third, he is not considered the greatest president. I believe he was number 19 on the top presidents, rated by professors on USA today. Reagan was seven I think.

Actually, did you know that Taiwan recently followed Canada to legalize gay marriages?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-02-04-taiwan-gay-marriage_x.htm

Taiwan also has a female vice President, and Indonesia (more muslims than any other country!) and the Philipinnes both have female Presidents, and Pakistan and India have had them in the past.

I don't know about Vietnamese Americans. Minnesota has a large Hmong population (the largest outside of Asia) and I believe the Hmong are from Vietnam, and they mostly vote Democratic. The State Senate Majority Whip is a Hmong-American. Most of the Hmong I know are VERY liberal, but I go to a very liberal university for the most part anyway.

Like Native Americans, Asians are a diverse bunch in voting. I heard that Japanese Americans trend Republican, due to the fact that they often are rather wealthy, while Chinese Americans trend Democratic.

The King of Cambodia backs gay marriage

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3505915.stm

Hmong are from Laos. Up to the late 19th century most of them were Animists (as opposed to the Buddhist Lao). Then the French converted them to Christianity and favored them afterwards. As a result, they fought on the French and then the American side during SE Asia's 20th century struggles...And many of them have ended up in exile now.

I agree with an earlier poster.  I think the main reason Asians tend to be democratic and are trending more so is because they are highly educated.  And it is the college educated ones that are more likely to vote.  People with advanced degrees tend to vote democratic.  I also don't think that Asians in the United States are as conservative as people are saying.  If you look at some recent polls on the gay marriage issue in California for instance, Asians were one of the few groups that a majority were pro-gay marriage.

CTguy,

Firstly, only 15% of Asians vote. So it's kind of silly to say that most Asians vote Democrat because the ones who did vote voted Democrat.

Though it's true that probably most graduate-educated people are liberal, that doesn't make liberals "better educated" than conservatives. Their intelligence balances out with all the less educated people- hispanics (70%) and blacks (85%) usually vote liberal, and they arn't very well educated people. That's 30% of the population right there, and about 1/3 of the democrat's population.

So no, liberals are not usually 'better educated'.

"Educated" refers to how much college education, and what colleges a person has attended. Is that really true that only 15% of Asians vote?

How do Arab Americans and other Muslims vote?

I have read somewhere in this forum that they favoured Bush in 2000 election and also Black Muslims did so, which sounds fairly strange.

The Nation of Islam. Malcolm X was part of it, and Michael Jackson is trying to join.

Muslims aren't over maybe 1% of the electorate outside of NJ, NY and Michigan.

Yes, they went heavily for Bush in 2000.  But, most likely, that will be reversed in 2004.

Nation of Islam, yes. But how do they vote? And what Michael Jackson is doing with it???

Why Muslims backed Bush?

Gore's running mate was of what race? *HINT, JEW, HINT, JEW* :(

And also, they're probably pretty conservative.

Kerry is 1/4th Jewish.

As long as he doesn't tell the Arabs... ;)

I'm not sure about 15%, that seems awfully low, but yeah, an overwhelming majority of Asians don't vote.
Remember, lots of them aren't even citizens.

And Kerry is 1/2 Jewish, but it doesn't matter as
a He's not Jewish by religion
b It's on the father's side, so it doesn't count

Jew is a religion not a race.  It involves believing something, not expressing any genes.

"Educated" in my stance refers to a mixture of things. Did they graduate from High School? Did they go to junior college? 4-year college? Graduate? Law? Business? Medical, etc?

Yeah... I wasn't too suprised.

Muslims generally vote Republican (72% in 2000, 19% for Nader). Most American muslims actually supported the war on saddam, and are socially conservative (pro-life, pro-family, anti-homosexual rights, pro-faith in schools, etc.)  I wouldn't be suprised if Muslims still voted overwealmingly for Bush, and perhaps even more so because of his Marriage Defense Act proposal. In San Francisco (where I live), there was a huge muslim rally against the homosexual marriages going on, and they were attacking Gavin Newsom, a democrat.

Well, it seems pollsters have attempted to find Muslims who are still ready to vote for Bush, and have not been able to find any.

January poll shows low Bush approval rating, for example:
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/mainarchive/000551.php

Also foreign press heavily propagandize against reelection, for example:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_14-3-2004_pg7_48

And that's from the website of a pro-Bush Muslim organization...

 Yep.  and the other is from anti-bush press.  If I find better numbers I'll present them.  I read an editorial about Muslim and Arab rangers and Pioneers for the Bush reelection about a month ago.  New York times I think.  Here it is:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70717FB3F590C748DDDAB0894DC404482
unfortunately, it's been archived.  

No, it is both

There is a difference between Liberal and Democrat.  The 70% of hispanics and 85% of blacks that are voting democratic are not doing so primarily because of social issues or because they are liberal.  They are doing so because democratic policies benefit them economically.  

If you control for this, most people who vote based on ideology that are educated are liberal while people with less education tend to be conservative.  It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to see that many of the precincts Gore won in 2000 were college towns or areas around cities where people hold advanced degrees.    Whereas most of the vast rural expanses that Bush won are culturally social areas where most people didn't go to college.

By the way just on this topic.  I was wondering if anyone read a study I read way back when that said that one of the biggest predictors of how a state voted in 2000 was how many public and private universities are located in that state as a ratio of the population.  States with more universities as a proportion of the population (MA, NY, CT) tended to vote for Gore and those with the least tended to vote for Bush.  

democrats are just so much smarter than me.  i just dont know where id be in life without them guiding me along.


seriously, the democrats need to give that intellectual elitism a rest.

with all of this talk of 'advanced degrees', someone please inform me how many advanced degrees gore (mr. intellectual) has?