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Perhaps because the ACLU is a hypocritical organization that is selective about which liberties it seeks to protect?

give me a good reason.

Because "conservatives" have a strong disagreement with the American Civil Liberties Union to the point of personal animosity?

In other words, if the ACLU stands for issues that "conservatives" disagree with it is only natural to expect a certain amount of dislike to exist between the two.

Uh, I just did.

Sorry HoffmanJohn but asking why "conservatives" hate the ACLU is like asking why the Ku Klux Klan hates the NAACP (or vice versa).

Because they are conservatives, duh.

I'll give you one, guns.  The ACLU has chosen not to protect that liberty for whatever reason.  Really, they ain't as bad as the right often make them out to be (I'm certainly guilty of it in the past).  Give me any random court case the ACLU has been involved with and I'm likely going to come down on their side.

But the guns thing keeps holding me back.


(and I still don't own a gun nor have any immediate need/desire to get one so leave the "gun nut" insults for somebody else)

ok, than what do you like about the ACLU? why are they even involved in Guns?

NAMBLA.

The hatred of NAMBLA is party based?

They defended NAMBLA when they gave out manuals on how to get away with their crimes. That's one reason though. There's plenty of other stupidity.

Its about protecting free speech. I may disagree with what NABLA has to say, but i will defend the legal right for them to say it. In any event I think it is pretty STUPID to HATE an organization, and their really is no need to get emotional over it. I can understand how Family Value conservatives might get offended,but even they often benefit from the ACLU.

In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
Cases like this remind me of how the ACLU can be sometimes compared to atticus finch

Oh, were we using the real meaning of the word "hate"?  I thought we were using the internet/14 year old girl/"I hate that sports franchise" version of "hate".

This issue brings up the well known "    Conservative Hate Culture" that can often be found on conservative radio outlets. Sometimes I think it is just an act that someone like Rush Limbaugh likes to throw on,but than I am constantly reminded how Tea Baggers are promoted by Fox news.

I'm not that kind of conservative.  Very few people here are.  They don't mesh well with others that don't believe the exact same things as them.  If you want that perspective you are going to need to go into the lion's den and ask them face to face.

Because the ACLU hates conservatives?

They did defend Rush Limbaugh.

What would happen if the ACLU merged with the Cato Institute?

The second coming of Christ?

That is objectively false.

Then why do they barely ever take up conservative causes to defend?

Because it is barely ever liberals infringing upon the civil liberties of conservatives?  Perhaps the opposite is the norm?

Because Conservatives are almost always wrong?

I didn't know Arabs were allowed martyr complexes; I thought that was reserved solely to the Jews.

Excellent joke sir!

Joke?

I bet there's a chapter of the ACLU somewhere defending some  teabagger's right to be stupid. The ACLU has a lot of Jews, and they defended the right of Nazis to protest in Jewish neighborhoods.

They should; they're both phony self-appointed defenders of liberty.

Is it because the ACLU advocates expansion of government in order to ensure the protection of civil liberties?

For example, if a company fires a worker who happens to be part of a protected class, will the ACLU not back that worker in a discrimination lawsuit against the company?

I am generally unhappy with the ACLU's choice of cases outside the free speech realm, and I think much of the litigation about expression of religion, is a waste of time really. However, I am glad they are around. Going to court to test the law, and how it is enforced, is not a sin. And if the result seems kooky, blame the courts, not the litigants.

Neo-Nazi speech.

Neo-Nazis are conservative?

They are Right-wing.

LULZ

The Nazi's were quite Right-Wing. They had a fetish for war, had unrepentant Militaristic tendencies, used Christianity to give Hitler a prophet like status among the German people, abhors dissension from the Government's leadership, and of course supported torture of their enemies. Arguably the same Nativist Theocratic nonsense spouted out from today's modern Right. Conservative? No. Right-Wing? Absolutely.

None of those things are inherently "right-wing."

This, quite hard. I've no doubt States will moan about Germany's economic interventionism, conveniently forgetting that, until historically recently (that is, until the early 20th century), the interventionist Right was just as strong, if not stronger, as the liberal Right -- Alexander Hamilton was, in his day, an economic interventionist and a defender of feudalistic mercantilism.

So was stalin a right winger?

Yes.

LOL.

So was von Bismarck a left-winger?

No answer I suppose?

Of course, StatesRights has no idea who Otto von Bismarck was, so we ought to give him time enough to go to Wikipedia and see.

Yeah good thing left wing governments never do that kind of thing.

It's almost sad to see that you've degenerated to this level, deadsy. Have you by chance looked at the German voter rolls from the era? If so, you'd know that upwards of 50% of all NSDAP voters came originally from the DNVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_National_People's_Party), an explicitly conservative Party.

You could get off this hook by simply admitting that right-wing-ism != free-marketism. But oh, such would be so difficult for you.

Hey look, Ziggy missed the point!

That's part of it, but even if the ACLU's case does not involve expansion of government, many conservatives (despite claiming to value individualism) will put religious standards, personal disapproval, or social conformity above individual rights.

The Nazis were nationalists and religious, therefore they were right-wing.

quote from the obituary of Ted Kennedy from USA Today:
"Kennedy was a devout Catholic."

lol

Um. OK. What's the point of that?

If you count neo-Paganism as the "right-wing" religion, perhaps.

Agreed there. The Nazi's weren't religious at all. They didn't want anybody to challenge Hitler's God-like status, so the best way to do that was to destroy religion.

No.


- "Proclamation by the Government to the German Nation", Berlin, 1 February 1933




- ibid.




- National Labour Day speech, May 1 1933

Hitler himself was probably irreligious - which is not the same as atheism. But to deny that he appealed heavily to German Christiandom is absurd.

Because they oppose equal rights for all.

And they are hypocrites. :P

The ACLU has addressed why they don't go out of their way on the gun issue.  There's a powerful, quite well-pocketed lobby that has the gun issue covered: the National Rifle Association.  The people the ACLU defends aren't anywhere near as well-heeled as the gun-manufacturers of America: Nazis, pedophiles, and Klansmen don't tend to be the most pecunious Americans.  Nevertheless, their rights need to be protected.

Except the NRA doesn't do a good job defending gun rights as an issue of liberty. The relatively small Gun Owners of America is the only real nationwide organization defending gun rights.

Maybe they find it annoying that such an influential entity cares so much about people they generally don't concern themselves with ie. minorities, poor people, etc.

Yes fezzy those disgusting pedophiles deserve my sympathy.

Because they are useless reverse racist hippies who hate God. No Jew with a concience can support them.

Nobody I know has a "concience..."

We rednecks can't spell, my honest apoplogies.  :P

I think you are beginning to get the hang of this posting game, punch counter-punch thingy. That was a very effective response to your interlocutor, I think. What are they going to say now?  :)

what

You're a Redneck? I thought you were a Big City Carpetbagger. :P

Nah, I chew tobacco, Do my cousin and drink myself into racsim :P