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Title: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: A18 on November 06, 2004, 09:09:46 am
The Democratic party may move in the direction of state's rights. If so, the Libertarian party should join forces with the Democrats.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Ben. on November 06, 2004, 10:28:13 am
Probably not.

If by States Right you mean on economic issues then a definite NO.

However on social issue the national party, as I’ve said repeatedly, is going to have to expect that they are on the wrong side of the divide and that they should accept the states prerogative on issues such as Abortion and Gay Marriage while at the same time they should oppose things such as partial birth abortion at the national level.

The impression of the Democrats as secularists really has to be challenged but at the same time purely cosmetic alternations of emphasis should be coupled with genuine changes of direction on social policy.     


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: J. J. on November 06, 2004, 10:51:32 am
If they were smart, yes.  It goes against the Demo tradition of big government. 

My bet is no.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: DaleC76 on November 06, 2004, 12:27:16 pm
It might be a good idea for them if they did.  It might remove some of their worst campaign issues from being spotlighted in future national elections.  I don't think there will be much support for doing this with the party's core, though.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: No more McShame on November 08, 2004, 02:24:53 am
No, it goes against everything the Democrats stand for.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Frodo on May 21, 2010, 09:52:12 pm
With the departure of the bulk of their southern base during the past half-century, the answer is definitively no. 


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Bo on May 21, 2010, 11:35:04 pm
Depends on which issue.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: A Strange Reflection on May 22, 2010, 04:21:38 am
LOL, no.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on May 22, 2010, 03:01:28 pm
On some issues like gay marriage so that they don't have to take an unpopular stand. On issues like health care they won't because it means less control for them. So, they will if it benefits them but if not then they'll try to take over themselves.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Padfoot on May 22, 2010, 08:19:41 pm
I could never see the Democrats returning to a state's rights platform.  Civil rights are completely ingrained into the party and extracting them like that would cause their base to collapse.  Democrats nationally are all about using the federal government to correct real and perceived injustices against those with little to no political and/or economic power.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on May 22, 2010, 09:32:28 pm
I could never see the Democrats returning to a state's rights platform.  Civil rights are completely ingrained into the party and extracting them like that would cause their base to collapse.  Democrats nationally are all about using the federal government to correct real and perceived injustices against those with little to no political and/or economic power.

Civil rights can mean alot of things such as someone's civil right to not allow someone at their restaurant. After all, you and I have the same right to not allow someone in our home if we choose not to. I don't agree with segregation, but I do not think it's any of the federal government's business.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: True Federalist on May 23, 2010, 01:20:58 pm
Not for at least another fifty years.  States' rights was heavily tarred by the use it was put to by racists.  That isn't to say that they won't embrace Federalist principles when they think they cant't get something done at the National level, but they certainly won't make States' rights a platform plank on its own anytime soon.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Padfoot on May 23, 2010, 05:26:02 pm
I could never see the Democrats returning to a state's rights platform.  Civil rights are completely ingrained into the party and extracting them like that would cause their base to collapse.  Democrats nationally are all about using the federal government to correct real and perceived injustices against those with little to no political and/or economic power.

Civil rights can mean alot of things such as someone's civil right to not allow someone at their restaurant. After all, you and I have the same right to not allow someone in our home if we choose not to. I don't agree with segregation, but I do not think it's any of the federal government's business.

It's one thing to not allow someone in your business if they are threatening your customers or causing a disturbance.  It's a completely different matter to deny someone service based on their religion, race, ethnicity, etc.  Also, there are major differences between keeping strangers out of your house and kicking them out of a store.  That's apples and oranges. 

The government has every right to ensure the fair and equal treatment of all citizens.  I don't want to even imagine the kinds of injustices that would still be taking place if we didn't have anti-segregation laws.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on May 23, 2010, 08:43:48 pm
I could never see the Democrats returning to a state's rights platform.  Civil rights are completely ingrained into the party and extracting them like that would cause their base to collapse.  Democrats nationally are all about using the federal government to correct real and perceived injustices against those with little to no political and/or economic power.

Civil rights can mean alot of things such as someone's civil right to not allow someone at their restaurant. After all, you and I have the same right to not allow someone in our home if we choose not to. I don't agree with segregation, but I do not think it's any of the federal government's business.

It's one thing to not allow someone in your business if they are threatening your customers or causing a disturbance.  It's a completely different matter to deny someone service based on their religion, race, ethnicity, etc.  Also, there are major differences between keeping strangers out of your house and kicking them out of a store.  That's apples and oranges. 

The government has every right to ensure the fair and equal treatment of all citizens.  I don't want to even imagine the kinds of injustices that would still be taking place if we didn't have anti-segregation laws.

I respect your point of view on this matter.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Ameriplan on June 23, 2010, 11:56:06 pm
no, because that means less control for their handlers in Moscow.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on June 24, 2010, 12:10:43 am
no, because that means less control for their handlers in Moscow.

So you think they're being run out of Moscow? See I was thinking China or the UN or even Bill Ayers' basement.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2010, 12:40:03 am
No way.

The Democratic Party has pretty much adopted the slogan: All big government, all the time.  And no, those petty DINOs in places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, and other places don't count since their voices don't mean jack Bo Diddley when talking with the big boys and girls.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Ameriplan on June 24, 2010, 12:51:31 am
no, because that means less control for their handlers in Moscow.

So you think they're being run out of Moscow? See I was thinking China or the UN or even Bill Ayers' basement.

nope. Moscow. Either that or Riyadh/Islamabad.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Nice Guy FF on June 24, 2010, 01:10:45 am
I don't think he'd want them to, him being a Constitutional party member. 

But jokes aside, no.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on June 24, 2010, 02:23:00 am
no, because that means less control for their handlers in Moscow.

So you think they're being run out of Moscow? See I was thinking China or the UN or even Bill Ayers' basement.

nope. Moscow. Either that or Riyadh/Islamabad.

lol what about Kenya?


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Ameriplan on June 25, 2010, 12:56:32 am
no, because that means less control for their handlers in Moscow.

So you think they're being run out of Moscow? See I was thinking China or the UN or even Bill Ayers' basement.

nope. Moscow. Either that or Riyadh/Islamabad.

lol what about Kenya?

yeah but only if they have telephones.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: DS0816 on June 25, 2010, 05:39:12 am
No way.

The Democratic Party has pretty much adopted the slogan: All big government, all the time.  And no, those petty DINOs in places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, and other places don't count since their voices don't mean jack Bo Diddley when talking with the big boys and girls.

The Democratic Party has adopted the slogan … Let's become the Diet Republican party! (The party years before George W. Bush. The Republican Party expanded government. But plenty of their defenders are brainwashed into thinking otherwise.)


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on June 25, 2010, 10:34:56 am
No way.

The Democratic Party has pretty much adopted the slogan: All big government, all the time.  And no, those petty DINOs in places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, and other places don't count since their voices don't mean jack Bo Diddley when talking with the big boys and girls.

The Democratic Party has adopted the slogan … Let's become the Diet Republican party! (The party years before George W. Bush. The Republican Party expanded government. But plenty of their defenders are brainwashed into thinking otherwise.)

We don't think it was good how Bush expanded government either but at the time he had a good argument. The left keeps using Bush as a reflection of everything the GOP has and ever will stand for and it's just not true. Nice try though.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Mechaman on June 25, 2010, 12:17:43 pm
No way.

The Democratic Party has pretty much adopted the slogan: All big government, all the time.  And no, those petty DINOs in places like Oklahoma, Kentucky, and other places don't count since their voices don't mean jack Bo Diddley when talking with the big boys and girls.

The Democratic Party has adopted the slogan … Let's become the Diet Republican party! (The party years before George W. Bush. The Republican Party expanded government. But plenty of their defenders are brainwashed into thinking otherwise.)

Hey, I'm not denying that the Republican Party is full of hypocrisy (I am anything but a fan of the Grand Old Authoritarian Party) for advocating small government while expanding government beyond what "big goverment liberal" Democrats have.  Bush did oversee the biggest expansion of government since LBJ (maybe even bigger), just saying I don't expect the Democratic Party to have an official "State's Rights" plank in their platform anytime soon (considering how many issues they want to leave up to the federal government).
With the exception of drug laws and gay marriage I can't really think of any other issues that the Democrats are like "yay! State's Rights!"


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: DS0816 on June 25, 2010, 05:01:25 pm

We don't think it was good how Bush expanded government either but at the time he had a good argument. The left keeps using Bush as a reflection of everything the GOP has and ever will stand for and it's just not true. Nice try though.

Assuming we refers to the entire Republican Party, this is not convincing. Bush had blind party-liners' support for party's sake. What you write is as good as any out-of-office Republican endorsing, say, same-sex marriage. It doesn't do any good. Nor does it impress. Piss-poor try.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Dgov on June 25, 2010, 05:20:20 pm
With the exception of drug laws and gay marriage I can't really think of any other issues that the Democrats are like "yay! State's Rights!"

And those only because they don't think they can win them nationwide.  I'll bet you once Gay Marriage becomes politically popular outside of Vermont, the democrats will make it a national plank issue.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: Derek on June 26, 2010, 02:57:05 pm

We don't think it was good how Bush expanded government either but at the time he had a good argument. The left keeps using Bush as a reflection of everything the GOP has and ever will stand for and it's just not true. Nice try though.

Assuming we refers to the entire Republican Party, this is not convincing. Bush had blind party-liners' support for party's sake. What you write is as good as any out-of-office Republican endorsing, say, same-sex marriage. It doesn't do any good. Nor does it impress. Piss-poor try.

The democrats will do anything that benefits them at the time. They were against the Civil Rights bill in 1957 and for it in 1964 because they learned how to manipulate minorities into voting for them. Now all of a sudden they are for states' rights on gay marriage and drugs SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A STAND THEMSELVES. It's called copping out and will be another reasons why democrats lose the House this fall.


Title: Re: Will the Democrats move in the direction of States' rights?
Post by: feeblepizza on June 29, 2010, 10:27:56 pm
Universal healthcare obliterated what small speck was left of the Democrats' tendancies towards states' rights.