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Title: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Meeker on November 08, 2010, 12:45:25 AM
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1110/on_to_the_next_vote_2bd9df6f-960e-406a-a20e-b9b261f7c6d4.html

First reference to a Republican opponent I've heard Obama make.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Poundingtherock on November 08, 2010, 01:12:52 AM
If even someone as conservative as I am agrees with what Obama is saying, Romney might as well surrender now just as he did with the MA legislature.

The better question is why did the person transcribing Obama's comments make a new sentence for him when he uses the word "and" over again and why did they transcribe out his "uhs?"

"You know, I think that -- over the course of two years, we were so busy and so focused on getting a bunch of stuff done that we stopped paying attention to the fact that leadership isn’t just legislation. That it’s a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone. And making an argument that people can understand. And I think that we haven’t always been successful at that. And I take personal responsibility for that. And it’s something that I’ve got to examine carefully as I go forward. You know, now I will say that when it comes to some of my supporters, some of my Democratic supporters who express some frustration.”


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: exopolitician on November 08, 2010, 01:47:48 AM
That's kind of a weird slip by Obama. I'll believe it when I see it though.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Reaganfan on November 08, 2010, 02:36:29 AM
That's kind of a weird slip by Obama. I'll believe it when I see it though.

I just watched it on YouTube, he said it.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 08, 2010, 02:47:26 AM
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1110/on_to_the_next_vote_2bd9df6f-960e-406a-a20e-b9b261f7c6d4.html

First reference to a Republican opponent I've heard Obama make.

There was also this Freudian slip back in April, when he mistakenly referred to him as "current Republican nominee Mitt Romney":

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/04/obama-current-republican-nominee-mitt-romney/38366/


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Whacker77 on November 08, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
Obama must be concerned about Romney.  This is the second time he's referred to the robot without prompting.  The first came earlier in the year when Obama said he was worried all of the tough measures he took to save the economy might doom his re-election and benefit Romney while Romney was in office.  I think the quote came from a book on Obama.

I think Romney is stiff and a flip flopper.  Still, he appears to be the only credible person among the bunch already essentially announced.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Meeker on November 08, 2010, 11:04:22 AM
I wonder if Obama is trying to make Romney into his opponent because he's decided for whatever reason that he's the one he'd prefer to face. Or maybe I'm reading far too much into two gaffes.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 08, 2010, 11:25:22 AM
I wonder if Obama is trying to make Romney into his opponent because he's decided for whatever reason that he's the one he'd prefer to face.

Agreed


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: feeblepizza on November 08, 2010, 12:59:57 PM
Obama is concerned about Romney because Romney is one of the many Republicans who could easily beat him out in November of 2012.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: exopolitician on November 08, 2010, 02:22:34 PM
That's kind of a weird slip by Obama. I'll believe it when I see it though.

I just watched it on YouTube, he said it.

Oh, I should have worded it better. I believe Obama said it, but I'll believe Romney is running when I see it is what I meant.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Brittain33 on November 08, 2010, 03:41:27 PM
I wonder if Obama is trying to make Romney into his opponent because he's decided for whatever reason that he's the one he'd prefer to face. Or maybe I'm reading far too much into two gaffes.

After this recent election, I'm more concerned about Romney as an opponent for Obama than I ever was before. He's a hard worker with cash and allies and he can make himself electable in the general election if people want a change. He has the right profile to be a generic R. I suspect Obama wants to shank him in the primaries by associating Romney with the Mass. health care plan so that someone less electable, like Palin or Huckabee or a regional candidate like Barber, squeaks through.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Whacker77 on November 08, 2010, 03:46:57 PM
Obama should want to run against Huckabee or Palin.  I think Romney is ultimately a loser, but I can see why Obama fears him.  I still say Jeb Bush runs based on the weakness of the current crop.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: dmmidmi on November 08, 2010, 04:13:38 PM
Well, he is running, isn't he? Given all of his activity in the past couple of years, it would be awfully strange if he didn't run for the nomination.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: tmthforu94 on November 08, 2010, 04:25:27 PM
I'd almost argue that this is good for Romney, as it tells people that the President is somewhat worried by him, as he has now mentioned Mitt on multiple occasions.

The huge difference between "Romneycare" and Obamacare is that one was implemented on the state level, while the other was implemented on the federal level. Governor Romney has said numerous times that he would not support even "Romneycare" on a federal level.

Something else: Romney really didn't have much of a say on the discussion of this bill, as Democrats control huge majorities in Massachusetts. Romney fought to implement small conservative pieces in that bill, which shows he is a true man of integrity who is willing to work with both sides. A normal, arrogant conservative wouldn't have even tried to work some conservative things in and then brag that he vetoed the bill even though it still passed. Romney may not always make the best political decisions, but he does something that very few politicians do today, and that is putting the interests of his constituents above politics.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Bull Moose Base on November 08, 2010, 06:04:56 PM
Mitt's running obviously.  I read this as Obama trying to push back against the FOXGOP narrative that the country rejected his  "Leftist" agenda.  Obama has, correctly in my view, instead called this a ref. on the economy.  So Obama has done 3 things to solidify his image as centrist.  Explain the stimulus and auto bailout were emergency measures not the core of his philosophy.  Explain that the so-called "socialist healthcare" was very similar to that of Romney (who even if he doesn't win the Republican nomination, will do well) and- to the chagrin of his base- signal a willingness to compromise.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Lunar on November 09, 2010, 12:25:24 AM
You guys are insane if you think that wasn't intentional


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Bull Moose Base on November 09, 2010, 12:54:51 AM
You guys are insane if you think that wasn't intentional

Which part?


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Eraserhead on November 09, 2010, 09:24:25 AM
I wonder if Obama is trying to make Romney into his opponent because he's decided for whatever reason that he's the one he'd prefer to face.

Agreed

Why on Earth would he prefer Romney to Palin?


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: fezzyfestoon on November 09, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
Everybody's been texting me asking if I'm excited that he's running again.  I guess people are taking this as definite.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Mr. Morden on November 09, 2010, 03:02:08 PM
I guess people are taking this as definite.

Lol, like Obama would have some special knowledge about Romney's plans that people at major media organizations wouldn't have.

Look, Romney (like Pawlenty and a few others) has basically been running for some time now.  He just hasn't officially launched a campaign.  He will presumably make it official in a few months.  There's no reason to think that Obama of all people would know anything more about Romney's plans than that.  He doesn't know anything more about Romney's plans than you or I do.

And what does he actually say here?  "....including the Republican governor of Massachusetts who's now running for president".  That's it.  That doesn't really contain any more information that we don't already know.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Penelope on November 10, 2010, 06:37:14 PM
This isn't Obama choosing his opponent - this is Obama acknowledging that Romney has a 99.9% chance of winning the nomination, just as McCain did in 2008, just as Dole did in 1996, and just as Bush did in 1988.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Joe Republic on November 10, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
It's funny that Romney is still seen as the frontrunner despite being virtually silent and absent from the media for over a year.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl on November 10, 2010, 07:00:57 PM
This isn't Obama choosing his opponent - this is Obama acknowledging that Romney has a 99.9% chance of winning the nomination, just as McCain did in 2008, just as Dole did in 1996, and just as Bush did in 1988.

Yes, just like Bob Bennett, Mike Castle, Lisa Murkowski, Trey Grayson, Sue Lowden, Jane Norton, and Rick Lazio were all 99.9% certain to win their Republican primaries.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Mechaman on November 10, 2010, 07:31:06 PM
Oh my gawd!  Obama says that Mitt Romney is running for president!  Quick!  Somebody call the OVERRATED SQUAD!


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 10, 2010, 08:49:02 PM
Romney has a 99.9% chance of winning the nomination

Uh...


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Lincoln Republican on November 10, 2010, 10:39:49 PM
Romney is Obama's worst nightmare.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: tpfkaw on November 10, 2010, 10:50:25 PM

Fixed for you.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: LBJ Revivalist on November 13, 2010, 12:52:49 AM


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Penelope on November 13, 2010, 06:19:04 AM

We'll just wait until 2012 to settle this. I will say, however, that if there are an over abundance of candidates in the primary, that Palin could win. If Romney wins I could see someone like Rand Paul running as an independent.

This isn't Obama choosing his opponent - this is Obama acknowledging that Romney has a 99.9% chance of winning the nomination, just as McCain did in 2008, just as Dole did in 1996, and just as Bush did in 1988.

Yes, just like Bob Bennett, Mike Castle, Lisa Murkowski, Trey Grayson, Sue Lowden, Jane Norton, and Rick Lazio were all 99.9% certain to win their Republican primaries.

lol.

We are talking about a National Presidential Election, this year's Senate Elections have nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: tik 🪀✨ on November 13, 2010, 08:22:32 AM
This isn't Obama choosing his opponent - this is Obama acknowledging that Romney has a 99.9% chance of winning the nomination, just as McCain did in 2008, just as Dole did in 1996, and just as Bush did in 1988.

Do you remember the primaries and the build up to them in 2008? McCain started out as a strong runner and very quickly went to a lost cause to "Oh, well, I guess he's not that bad." Romney went from frontrunner to a dog cruelty flippant flip flopping douche bag. He's still there as far as most of us with memories are concerned.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Beet on November 13, 2010, 08:52:35 AM
I wonder if Obama is trying to make Romney into his opponent because he's decided for whatever reason that he's the one he'd prefer to face.

Agreed

Why on Earth would he prefer Romney to Palin?

Agreed. I'm beginning to think Obama's only chance of winning re-election is pulling a Harry Reid...


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 13, 2010, 11:16:11 AM
I wonder if Obama is trying to make Romney into his opponent because he's decided for whatever reason that he's the one he'd prefer to face.

Agreed

Why on Earth would he prefer Romney to Palin?

He might think that she's viable in the primary. Sure, her ratings among Republicans is sky high (latest Gallup has her at 80% approval) but we all know there will be a strong effort from the powers that be in the party to stop her at all costs.


Title: Re: Obama says Romney is running
Post by: bonnavodah on November 14, 2010, 06:41:11 AM
It was not a slip on Obama's part. It is obvious to the entire civilized world that Romney is running. There is not a day where he is not checking his excel table to see if he can win.

His chances for the nomination are also good. The GOP, with it's traditional "next in line" policy, may very well coronate him for the run. Would be better for him were he a southern baptist, say, but hey...

And Obama can beat him - soundly.