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Title: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 03:58:57 PM
The Porcupine

This thread shall be used to map our region by region polling as well as reporting on the state of the race.  

Our reporters
Xahar
Kalwejt
Wormyguy kinda sorta I think

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Marokai - orange; Tmth - Blue

The Northeast
Leans towards tmth

The Mideast
No Polling has been done for this region yet.

The Imperial Dominion of the South
Solidly in tmth's column

The Midwest
No polling has been done for this region yet.

The Pacific
The 1st poll, conducted before all candidates had announced shows this region solidly backing Mr. Blue. However this may change as another native son, and current governor of the Pacific will be included in the next poll.





Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
Marokai Blue (UDL)
Twice Attorney General, a Senator, PPT, Vice President, and Supreme Court Justice, Marokai Blue has attempted to bring activity and accomplishment to each office he has held. Not only setting substantial precedent as a Justice, Marokai was also instrumental in the left-wing resurgence in 2009, and went on to duo with Purple State to successfully push for ratification of a brand new Constitution in 2010. Running with Purple State again on a swapped ticket, he seeks to do equally substantial things again.

Oakvale (JCP)
A relative newcomer to Atlasia, Oakvale was recently elected to his second term as Governor of the Pacific. As Governor, he steered major structural reforms through the legislature, revitalising a region that had long been stagnant, and, in the first significant change to the Pacific's legislature ever, succesfully introduced Atlasia's only bicamarel regional assembly.

With a fresh perspective on Atlasia's fundamental problems, Oakvale, along with his running mate Snowguy716, seek to give the game's institutions the radical shakeup they need.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 04:00:00 PM
Tmthforu94 (RPP)
Atlasia has moved to the left in recent years, with 4 of the last 5 Presidents being liberal. Tmthforu94, the only non-liberal candidate currently in the race, hopes to break that trend in this election cycle. During his time in the Mideast Assembly, Atlasian Senate, and Mideast Governor's Mansion, Tmthforu94 has a strong record of bi-partisanship and moderation, and he hopes to bring those same qualities to the White House.  


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker:Breaking News: Fritz is in the race.
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 04:20:12 PM
Campaign Update
     
This race has gotten much more interesting over the past 24 hours as now there will be 5 competing tickets, one of which is now confirmed to be the incumbent president seeking re-election. Can he survive his challenge's that appear to be from all sides of the spectrum?


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on January 02, 2011, 04:27:13 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
Campaign Update
Fritz was just kidding, that is all for now.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 02, 2011, 04:36:07 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.

Primaries are exclusively voluntary. We haven't had one since the end of the Progressive Primaries of 2008 and 2009.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 04:48:39 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.
The only candidates running are 2 UDLers 1 JCPer and one RPPer at the moment.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on January 02, 2011, 05:32:42 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.

Primaries are exclusively voluntary. We haven't had one since the end of the Progressive Primaries of 2008 and 2009.

     I'm pretty sure there have been no primaries in any Presidential election after June 2008.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 02, 2011, 05:35:38 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.

Primaries are exclusively voluntary. We haven't had one since the end of the Progressive Primaries of 2008 and 2009.

     I'm pretty sure there have been no primaries in any Presidential election after June 2008.

2007 and 2008, my bad.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Yelnoc on January 02, 2011, 05:56:26 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.

Primaries are exclusively voluntary. We haven't had one since the end of the Progressive Primaries of 2008 and 2009.

     I'm pretty sure there have been no primaries in any Presidential election after June 2008.
Looks like the UDL could have used one.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 02, 2011, 06:41:53 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.

Primaries are exclusively voluntary. We haven't had one since the end of the Progressive Primaries of 2008 and 2009.

     I'm pretty sure there have been no primaries in any Presidential election after June 2008.
Looks like the UDL could have used one.

Why are you using the past tense?


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Yelnoc on January 02, 2011, 06:47:14 PM
Are there primaries, or do you just declare?

Also, is there no POP candidate in the race yet? Just wondering.

Primaries are exclusively voluntary. We haven't had one since the end of the Progressive Primaries of 2008 and 2009.

     I'm pretty sure there have been no primaries in any Presidential election after June 2008.
Looks like the UDL could have used one.

Why are you using the past tense?
Because Ben said he wouldn't run in a UDL primary.  Though I suppose it's possible that Marokai/Purple State will get the UDL endorsement and Ben will have to run as an independent.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011 1st poll!!!!
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 08:50:57 PM
Pacific

Question: Who do you currently plan on 1st preferencing for President in February?

Ben: 0%
Marokai: 66%
Tmthforu94: 17%
Other: 17%
Undecided: 0%

*( This poll was conducted before all candidates had announced)*


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known As and Now Again Known As Ogis on January 02, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
Pacific

Question: Who do you currently plan on 1st preferencing for President in February?

Ben: 0%
Marokai: 66%
Tmthforu94: 17%
Other: 17%
Undecided: 0%

*( This poll was conducted before all candidates had announced)*

Only 6 voters?


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 02, 2011, 09:03:37 PM
Pacific

Question: Who do you currently plan on 1st preferencing for President in February?

Ben: 0%
Marokai: 66%
Tmthforu94: 17%
Other: 17%
Undecided: 0%

*( This poll was conducted before all candidates had announced)*

Only 6 voters?
I plan on having larger samples in the future.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: Beaking News
Post by: CatoMinor on January 03, 2011, 02:23:44 PM
Breaking News

One of the more controversial candidates, Yates, has gone missing. He is presumed dead. Whether or not his name will remain on the ballot is unknown. sources tell us that the police are currently looking at Sam Spade, Hashemite, Gustaf, and even Yates himself are possible suspects. Right now the police are telling us this is likely a case of vigilante justice.

In other news..
Senator Dallasfan65 is rumored to be planning a run of some sort, whether for President or someone's running mate is unknown, more at 11.



Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 03, 2011, 07:50:41 PM
Campaign Update
Its has been announced that Senator Dallasfan65 will in fact be running for Vice President of Atlasia and Governor Tmthforu94's running mate.

Now lets have a look at the February Senate elections.

Northeast
Nothing official yet but there are reports of RowanBrandon and Phil considering bids to pick off the incumbent Senator Eraserhead. Eraserhead picked up the seat in an upset victory last October that led to Dallasfan65 losing his senate seat.

Mideast
No word form there yet.

Imperial Dominion of the South
With 0% of precincts reporting we project incumbent NC Yankee has won re-election.

Midwest
After the incumbent announced he would not seek re-election, Kalwejt aka 'Kaljew" appears to be the only one in the race thus far. Can he win against the onslaught of write-ins he is sure to face?

Pacific
Normally we would project Bgwah the winner before the election even started but with the left split in the region, the possibility of a viable challenge is open.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on January 03, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
Well, I may be in an extremely tough race against write-ins, but since Verin likes me, I cannot lose.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 03, 2011, 11:49:36 PM
Editorial: On the UDL Nomination

The Union of the Democratic Left was founded upon several ideas. One of them was the idea that a strong, vibrant party could be created that would not be personalist like all the rest were to a greater or lesser extent. Certainly, the Union is not today personalist. There is no leader sending down a presidential ticket from on high, as has been done in the past. However, it is still a party. It is not the Atlasian Unity Bloc or the Democratic Alliance, where any member can run for any office he pleases. Several members made it quite clear to me that they had only joined with that assurance. Therefore, the will of the party must be respected. All may run, but when a nominee is decided, we must all come together behind him, if we are to be a party that can compete with the rest. The Union is the promise of a new way of politics in Atlasia; it must not be ripped apart from within.


Title: Re: The Porcupine: Ben Interveiw
Post by: CatoMinor on January 04, 2011, 10:09:34 PM
Porcupine Interviews
Today we bring you an interview with Presidential Candidate Ben.

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Thank you for being here today.

Q: Tell us about your plans for foreign policy.

A: I want to get Atlasians involved.  This means establishing Embassies, and Ambassadors.  It means regular stories involving foreign affairs, and Presidential action on the issue.  It'll take a lot of collaboration with the GM, the SoEA, the GTO Ambassador, and the Senate.

Q: Should the UDL hold a primary and you lose, will you continue to your run for President?

A: I have not yet decided.  I will enter the primary, and depending on the results, I will move from there.  Nothing has been decided yet.

Q: Say you win the election, walk us through the fist few weeks of your presidency.

A: I will assemble a Cabinet, and then begin planning out what legislation will be prioritized and how it will be written.

Q: How has The Porcupine changed your life?

A:  It's brought me joy and entertainment.

Q: Why do you think the SC has not yet gotten around to saying if I made the SC bar or not, even though I requested at the start of December?

A: They've probably been busy.

Q: The past couple administrations have been criticized for very partisan cabinets, would you follow in their tradition?

A: No.  I have a general idea of my Cabinet already, and it is non-artisan to an extreme.


Thank you for your time.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: Breaking Poll
Post by: CatoMinor on January 05, 2011, 10:47:24 PM
New Poll: IDS
Tmth: 70%
Undecided/Other: 20%
Marokai: 10%
Rocky: 0%
Ben: 0%
Oakvale: 0%



Title: Re: The Porcupine: Tmth interveiw
Post by: CatoMinor on January 05, 2011, 11:25:08 PM
Porcupine Interveiws: AIM Edition
   
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Q: What made you wish to make this run?

A: I've watched this game progressively getting worse for over a year now. I got tired of just watching it happen, so I decided to act and actually try and do something to improve this game, whether it be by just running a competitive race and getting activity flowing or actually winning and making some reforms to the game.

Q:   Assuming you win, are you willing to pledge that your cabinet will not be hyper partisan and that you will look past ideology in you selection?

A:  I can promise you right now, JBrase, that I have no intentions of a hyper partisan cabinet, and I will not be running a hyper partisan government, either. At the cabinet I'm currently looking at placing, I have a member of each major party represented. My number one requirement for anyone who wishes to be in my cabinet is activity. After that, follows experience and political ideology., But activity is #1. My goal is to have one of the most active cabinets in Atlasian history.

Q: Ok, we are going to go into the territory of your rival Ben here, tell us how you will approach foreign policy.

A: The position of SoEA will be extremely important to me, as that person will be one of the cabinet members I will work the most with. I think foreign policy issues are largely ignored in Atlasia. I'd like to see the GM focus a bit more on foreign affairs, and hopefully then, we could have something to do. Overall, my goal as commander in chief will be to look for peaceful solutions in foreign affairs. I will do everything in my power to prevent Atlasia from entering any wars. However, if we ever (Dave forbid) attacked, I believe it is important that we are ready to protect and defend our nation.

Q: As you are well aware, the economy has not been in the greatest shape, and a stimulus package is currently underway. Written as is, if you were president right now, would you sign it, or send it back with a veto and ask for something else?

A: As it is currently written, I would sign it. However, I wish the Senate would consider leaving more freedom to the regions regarding spending the funds. In the Mideast, we managed to find a way around it by saving back 3.9 billion for government use, but no other regions did that, I believe. I'm also concerned about this raising our national debt, and I wouldn't have minded a lower overall amount. Hopefully though, this bill will provide regions the "stimulants" they need to hopefully kickstart their economies.

Q: Why in your opinion have I not received in answer yet from the supreme court if I am admitted to the BAR or not, even though I asked Dec 1st?  :(

A:   Those lil possums still haven't put you in? ;) Well, hopefully, since I'm sure everyone will be rushing to this thread to read my interview, one of them will take notice of this question, and they'll quickly discuss it with each other and admit you. :) 

The Porcupine: Dave willing...

Q: One final question, tell me how The Porcupine has improved your life.

A:     Ran into a porcupine once - hurt like the dickens. Since then, I've found that once you pluck out all their quills and skin then, put them in a deep fat friar, and cook for a bit, they taste very...sweet. Sorta like a racoon, though not quite as greasy. On top of that, they're healthy. Eating porcupine has made me a healthier person, and the feeling of running over one, then getting to throw it in a pot and eat it, well, it's like nothing else....Oh, I'm sorry, were you referring to your paper?...In that case, I'm really looking forward to the in-depth analysis of this election, and the polling is always helpful. ;) Looks like I have a nice little lead going in the IDS.

The Porcupine: Sir, I believe you have forever lost the ever so important Seatle vote. Thank you for your time.

Tmth: Sinders and Ashes! Oh well, hopefully, if I pull through, I won't bust their boilers or fizzle their firecrackers.




Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 06, 2011, 09:18:41 PM
More Poling Fun

Working with A-Bob's polling, we can add the Mideast to Tmth's column. Not as strong as his support in the IDS, he is still pulling in 50% of the vote which is a comfortable lead considering the size of the race.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 07, 2011, 04:49:47 AM
I don't really see the point of doing those regional polls for presidency since this is a national election. Maybe doing these polls about the upcoming Senate races would be more interesting.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 07, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
I don't really see the point of doing those regional polls for presidency since this is a national election. Maybe doing these polls about the upcoming Senate races would be more interesting.
It can be helpful for the candidates to see how they are performing in the various regions, and I do plan on including the Senate races in the next polls, possibly the governor races.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Purple State on January 07, 2011, 11:05:39 AM
I don't really see the point of doing those regional polls for presidency since this is a national election. Maybe doing these polls about the upcoming Senate races would be more interesting.
It can be helpful for the candidates to see how they are performing in the various regions, and I do plan on including the Senate races in the next polls, possibly the governor races.

The bigger issue is that it doesn't account for second preferences, which, given the number of candidates, seem likely to matter.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 07, 2011, 11:59:44 PM
I don't really see the point of doing those regional polls for presidency since this is a national election. Maybe doing these polls about the upcoming Senate races would be more interesting.
It can be helpful for the candidates to see how they are performing in the various regions, and I do plan on including the Senate races in the next polls, possibly the governor races.

The bigger issue is that it doesn't account for second preferences, which, given the number of candidates, seem likely to matter.
Well if you would like to Poll 2nd and 3rd prefs and map it, I'd me more than happy to post it for you ;)


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on January 09, 2011, 12:41:24 AM
How are these polls being conducted?


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 09, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
How are these polls being conducted?
I'll select ~10ish people at random in a certain region then PM them


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 14, 2011, 02:35:28 PM
Who won the 1st debate?
No one scored a decisive victory, but tmth has come out ahead winning a plurality in the poll.

Tmth - 31%
Marokai - 23%
Oakvale - 19%
Ben 12%

Rocky* - 15%

* No longer in the race


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 14, 2011, 02:57:47 PM
I have the sad feeling that most of people didn't even know the debate and simply voted for the candidate they support. Just look at Rocky, who didn't even participate.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on January 14, 2011, 04:45:04 PM
Just look at Rocky, who didn't even participate.

A little harsh considering that personal crises took precedence at the time.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on January 14, 2011, 05:58:53 PM
I have the sad feeling that most of people didn't even know the debate and simply voted for the candidate they support.

I certainly would agree that I share your same first concern.


Title: Re: The Porcupine: Marokai interveiw
Post by: CatoMinor on January 14, 2011, 11:23:52 PM
                                         
Interview with Marokai "Blueman" Blue

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Question: Past administrations have been accused of having very partisan cabinets. Should you win, how do you see your cabinet looking?

Answer: I don't really care about partisan affiliation one way or another. My cabinet will be put together with an emphasis based on experience, activity, and enthusiasm. How someone is excited for a particular job greatly affects how they will perform in the position and best utilize their past experience.

What I will not do is try to have balance just for the sake of balance. I'm not running to be Prom King of Atlasia nor will I try giving Miss Atlasia "world peace" type answers. I, and all the other candidates, are running for President to accomplish some tough problems and get the job done. To do that requires the best of the best.

When Purple State was President, I remember that he and I decided to appoint Winston as SoIA. That caught alot of flak from people, but we did it because that position needed someone to get attention to it, and based on Winston's Senate arguments at the time, we believed he could do it. We didn't give a damn about his political ideology, we wanted someone who would make the job work.

That's the sort of attitude I will carry to my cabinet appointees. I'm not going to sit here and make promises about making sure all parties are included in the process, though I won't shut anyone out at all. There will be no affirmative action in my cabinet for either side.

As for who will be in the cabinet, well, I intend, if I win, to run my cabinet selection similar to the way Purple State and I did it the first time, by opening applications up for every office (though this time, with the exception of the GM) and re-appointing everyone, even current officeholders (again, with the exception of the GM) to give them some oversight even if they're currently in office.

Question: I'm sure you remember catching some flak over a couple court case while you have been AG. Looking back do you see it as a double standard how you refused to prosecute Antonio, offering to have someone be appointed in your place, but went after Mint/Ghost_White for an arguably much minor offense?

Answer: Not at all, there are a zillion different distinctions there. For one thing, I was very biased in the Antonio case. I had argued in Antonio's defense before I came into the office, and then was expected to argue against him. That alone disqualified me from handling the case, and it's perfectly within my legal responsibilities to hand off the case to a more interested and responsible party than I was in that case.

That alone makes the distinction silly.

But it goes beyond that, if you really want to get into the details. Antonio, I believe, didn't break a law. (I think the law should be changed in Antonio's case to allow for more clear prosecutions of annoying wiki edits like that.) Mint did break the law, but I believe the law is incredibly silly, yet that doesn't matter, because he still broke the law.

I hate getting back into law matters all the time, but I seem to have a knack for it, so here goes: The law in Antonio's case says this:

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5. Maliciously editing the AtlasWiki to remove legitimate content or create off-topic pages.

It specifically says malicious editing the wiki. Not just "editing the Wiki." Doing so maliciously. That was the tricky part in prosecuting Antonio, and why I publicly defended him before I became AG. For those that may be confused on what malice means, it has a definition specific to the legal term. It refers to "a party's intention to do injury to another party."

In evaluating all of the evidence in that case, I saw nothing at all which showed that Antonio was intent on maliciously editing the wiki. He, on multiple occasions, attempted to engage Libertas in discussion. He very clearly and elaborately explained his reasons for doing what he did. Nothing in anything he said whatsoever had any mean or mocking tone to it.

Now, I think Antonio was mistaken in editing the wiki in the way he did. It was clearly stupid to go beyond a certain point and it was rather clear he wasn't going to get anything accomplished, but that is irrelevant. What was necessary in that case was proving the legal term of malice in regard to Antonio's actions. While his actions were shortsighted, they couldn't be proved outright as malicious.

Part 2 up next


Title: Re: The Porcupine: Marokai interveiw
Post by: CatoMinor on January 14, 2011, 11:29:47 PM
Citizen Blue Interveiw Continued

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Question: I know how you love talking about legal stuff so here is another ;) . This is a two part question. Say there is an opening on the Supreme Court, what would you look for in a replacement judge? and Why in your opinion have we not heard back from the SC yet on if I have been admitted to the bar or not, even though I applied on December 1st, well over a month ago? :(

Answer:  
Do you want to keep me talking all night with this stuff? :P

I would look for someone alot of history in Atlasia, experience on legal matters in Atlasia, good organizational skills, and a very open mind. Also, someone who works well with others behind the scenes. There's alot more give and take in the background during those private deliberations than people think. If you're strong, you can persuade others to change their minds, or give on certain issues. It's actually really fun and interesting.

I wouldn't prefer someone who takes a very literal standing, but I wouldn't want someone to go crazy either and start interpreting things out of thin air. The Supreme Court requires a very cautious mind, at times, when it comes to interpretation.

I remember the HAEV case, which I think you took the opposition side over, I believe? Anyway, I remember when I went into that case, I was very strongly in favor of it's constitutionality, but eventually, reading the arguments and then debating Sam in private, and re-reading portions of the Constitution, it was just an incredibly stretch allowing it to exist.

Eventually, Sam and I decided on an opinion that would allow HAEV, the body, to exist, but strike down the guidelines. It was a complicated ruling requiring alot of careful wording, but sometimes, even if you want something yourself, you have to realize that the wording just isn't there and you cannot allow something to continue.

Similarly, there was another case concerning the Southeast maintaining a separate voter roll where I initially went in under the opinion that it was wrong and shouldn't exist, but over the case, I realized there was nothing preventing the existence of it in a slightly more limited form. You really have to let your mind change on some things. I'd want someone who could be forceful in their arguments, but also open minded, as I believe I was. (I'm also quite a fan of Justices who ask alot of questions and argue a little themselves. It makes the cases much more interesting.)

As for you not getting into the bar yet, God only knows. If it were up to me, I'd let you in. :P We always approved people very quickly when I was on the court!

Question: When you were vice president, you and PS focused on game reform, what in your opinion was the administration's single most important reform?

Answer: https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Third_Constitution

Beyond that, I think we did a marvelous job kicking off Wiki consolidation efforts.

Question: In 500 words or less, describe how The Porcupine has improved your life.

Answer: During the time I've had to write out these (extensive at times) answers, your interview gave me the opportunity to listen to alot of good music that I wouldn't have done otherwise, since I think much better with music pounding in my ears. :P

Otherwise, this interview has been a huge pain in the ass. ;)


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on January 15, 2011, 12:42:11 AM
I thank you for the interview.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 17, 2011, 08:25:58 PM
Chaos in the UDL
What should be a simple task appears to be testing whether or not a new party can survive. The United Democratic Left became a major party overnight, attracting many members, many from the JCP. With such a large party it isn't hard to imagine more than one member interested in seeking the presidency, which of course led to the call for a primary. This should be relatively easy to just hold a vote right? Wrong. The UDL is locked in a bitter fight, not just over who to run, but how to even vote in the primary. Several members want to hold a private vote while others want everything to be open and hold a public vote.

Is the United Democratic Left really united? Or better yet, the question pops up, even democratic? Earlier Marokai Blue who is battling for the nomination, in anger, appeared to make a gaffe that could prove costly.   
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...and a primary caused by a stubborn member who refuses to back down...
It is easy to see why someone would be frustrated over the drama going on, but to complain about being challenged for the nomination in a party that has "Democratic" in its name seems absurd. 


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on January 17, 2011, 08:28:18 PM
What I meant in that comment, if it matters at all (and I don't think it does, people are intent on finding anything at all to bicker endlessly over, and those people seem to be multiplying) was that Ben refuses to drop out of the race, last I checked if he actually lost the race, so I felt like a primary was a pointless exercise to some extent. I will back out of the race entirely if I lose, but since Ben is hellbent on running anyway, it's nearly political blackmail at that point, since if I end up winning, he will forcibly split the vote anyway.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 17, 2011, 08:31:29 PM
Thank you for the clarification.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known As and Now Again Known As Ogis on January 17, 2011, 08:35:49 PM
What I meant in that comment, if it matters at all (and I don't think it does, people are intent on finding anything at all to bicker endlessly over, and those people seem to be multiplying) was that Ben refuses to drop out of the race, last I checked if he actually lost the race, so I felt like a primary was a pointless exercise to some extent. I will back out of the race entirely if I lose, but since Ben is hellbent on running anyway, it's nearly political blackmail at that point, since if I end up winning, he will forcibly split the vote anyway.

Ben said he would back out if he lost.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on January 17, 2011, 08:36:46 PM
Ben said he would back out if he lost.

Then I happily apologize for my error.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known As and Now Again Known As Ogis on January 17, 2011, 08:42:42 PM

Yay! :)


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 17, 2011, 08:46:14 PM
I would like to make a brief comment.

As Chair of the UDL it is my responsibility to endeavor to do what is right by as many members as possible.  Since there were two (originally three) declared candidates, it is only right and proper that a democratic process takes place, regardless of whether or not the result is a foregone conclusion. I owed that to all candidates running, and those members who want to have a say as to who the standard barer of the party is, I'm deeply appreciative to both Marokai and Ben to act in the interests of the party in the event that they do not win the party vote.

This is democratic party, there is nothing that has happened or will happen that does not hold democratic principles as the most important element.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 18, 2011, 06:54:18 AM
This is disappointing, Jbrase. You had an occasion to distance yourself from the drama that was going on and bring an independent perspective on it. Instead you chose to involve in it and fuel it by picking a random comment and misinterpreting it.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 18, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
This is disappointing, Jbrase. You had an occasion to distance yourself from the drama that was going on and bring an independent perspective on it. Instead you chose to involve in it and fuel it by picking a random comment and misinterpreting it.

Before Marokai elaborated on that comment it was something worth bringing up. And since I wrote on it we have all learned it was just a misunderstanding. Without the clarification we got from him here, the person who might be nominated for President would have gone on looking like he was bitter at the concept of going through a primary, now we know he was just under the wrong impression of Ben's intentions. So I would like to think me bringing attention to this did the UDL some good.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 18, 2011, 03:41:03 PM
This is disappointing, Jbrase. You had an occasion to distance yourself from the drama that was going on and bring an independent perspective on it. Instead you chose to involve in it and fuel it by picking a random comment and misinterpreting it.

Before Marokai elaborated on that comment it was something worth bringing up. And since I wrote on it we have all learned it was just a misunderstanding. Without the clarification we got from him here, the person who might be nominated for President would have gone on looking like he was bitter at the concept of going through a primary, now we know he was just under the wrong impression of Ben's intentions. So I would like to think me bringing attention to this did the UDL some good.

So far, nobody had given the impression that he found Marokai's comment particularly outrageous, it wasn't even an issue. And hadn't Marokai clarified it so early, your article had the potential to fuel again controversies among UDLers. It would just have needed anybody to post before Marokai. I'm not implying that you did it with any bad intention, but it certainly couldn't help people to chill out, and you should have been aware of that.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 18, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
This is disappointing, Jbrase. You had an occasion to distance yourself from the drama that was going on and bring an independent perspective on it. Instead you chose to involve in it and fuel it by picking a random comment and misinterpreting it.

Before Marokai elaborated on that comment it was something worth bringing up. And since I wrote on it we have all learned it was just a misunderstanding. Without the clarification we got from him here, the person who might be nominated for President would have gone on looking like he was bitter at the concept of going through a primary, now we know he was just under the wrong impression of Ben's intentions. So I would like to think me bringing attention to this did the UDL some good.

So far, nobody had given the impression that he found Marokai's comment particularly outrageous, it wasn't even an issue. And hadn't Marokai clarified it so early, your article had the potential to fuel again controversies among UDLers. It would just have needed anybody to post before Marokai. I'm not implying that you did it with any bad intention, but it certainly couldn't help people to chill out, and you should have been aware of that.
Actualy I saw someone else bring it up in the UDL thread, which is how I came across it, so at the very least one maybe more in your own party was taking issue with it. And sure there was always the possibility it would cause more drama if he hadn't responded so quickly, but would you really prefer it was just left alone and several crucial voters on the left go to the polls with that in the back of their mind when they are deciding who to vote for? 


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on January 18, 2011, 04:30:35 PM
This is disappointing, Jbrase. You had an occasion to distance yourself from the drama that was going on and bring an independent perspective on it. Instead you chose to involve in it and fuel it by picking a random comment and misinterpreting it.

Before Marokai elaborated on that comment it was something worth bringing up. And since I wrote on it we have all learned it was just a misunderstanding. Without the clarification we got from him here, the person who might be nominated for President would have gone on looking like he was bitter at the concept of going through a primary, now we know he was just under the wrong impression of Ben's intentions. So I would like to think me bringing attention to this did the UDL some good.

So far, nobody had given the impression that he found Marokai's comment particularly outrageous, it wasn't even an issue. And hadn't Marokai clarified it so early, your article had the potential to fuel again controversies among UDLers. It would just have needed anybody to post before Marokai. I'm not implying that you did it with any bad intention, but it certainly couldn't help people to chill out, and you should have been aware of that.
Actualy I saw someone else bring it up in the UDL thread, which is how I came across it, so at the very least one maybe more in your own party was taking issue with it. And sure there was always the possibility it would cause more drama if he hadn't responded so quickly, but would you really prefer it was just left alone and several crucial voters on the left go to the polls with that in the back of their mind when they are deciding who to vote for? 

I understand your point. But in my opinion what UDLers need now is really just to chill out. To just stop discussing about some subjects and focus on policy. I know this is probably too late to hope for this goal to be met, but still I would have prefered if we could avoid other comments on the subject. Still, I understand your purposes when you chose to comment it and I apologize for my early reaction.


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 29, 2011, 01:39:09 PM
Tmth leads in the NE

When asked who would they give their 1st pref to the region responded:

Tmthforu94 - 55%
Marokai - 33%
Oakvale - 0%
Undecided 11%


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Lambsbread on January 29, 2011, 01:47:13 PM
Woo! Tmth for President!


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: Oakvale on January 29, 2011, 05:07:07 PM
I will break my back to get that 11% on my side. :P


Title: Re: The Porcupine Campaign Tracker: February 2011
Post by: CatoMinor on January 29, 2011, 08:08:02 PM
I will break my back to get that 11% on my side. :P
maybe them reading an interview of you could do the trick. *hintity hint hint*