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Title: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Purple State on January 31, 2011, 01:00:33 AM
This is running a bit late due to a hectic weekend, but let's get this started!

Post any and all questions you have for Marokai and me in this thread. We will do our best to answer each one fully and honestly (and sometimes humorously) as quickly as possible.

Question time will last for at least 48 hours or until the questions stop flowing, whichever is longer.

Time for some fun. :)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on January 31, 2011, 02:27:50 AM
How you would handle Reality Or Nothing problem if you were President right now?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on January 31, 2011, 06:56:16 PM
How you would handle Reality Or Nothing problem if you were President right now?

This question thread was meant to get answers and attention, so I may as well answer this in several ways that I've been thinking.

First, if I was President, speaking in character, I would obviously support efforts (and do currently) to list Reality of Nothing as a terrorist organization, investigate it's roots, and take all the means realistically possible (so long as they're effective) at protecting the security of important buildings such as the GTO building.

But I have to speak out of character with a concern I have on this whole ordeal. I've always been a little wary of the GM's power and how it's used, and this whole incident makes me a little uneasy. Essentially the Game Moderator has the power to create, well, reality. What I'm talking about here specifically is the lynch mob going after Al.

Al started a silly little organization like Al always does. Yes it said "we are prepared to use violence" in it and such, but that sort of stuff always pops up in Atlasia. Xahar has started at least two "revolutions." The Southeast once tried to wage an economic war on the Pacific. I can't count on one hand the times people have talked about secessions since I've been in Atlasia. But Purple State never decided to pop up and start implicating actual members in these things.

I don't like that, potentially, at any moment, the GM is capable of just taking down actual members and essentially banning them from the game (treason, afterall) because of some in-character thing they decided to do. I'm fine with events and responding to them and playing along as we always do. But I don't like that we're basically all going along with someone having the power to damage actual members just by crafting a narrative around it. I really think it's something we should avoid.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Yelnoc on January 31, 2011, 07:29:38 PM
How you would handle Reality Or Nothing problem if you were President right now?

This question thread was meant to get answers and attention, so I may as well answer this in several ways that I've been thinking.

First, if I was President, speaking in character, I would obviously support efforts (and do currently) to list Reality of Nothing as a terrorist organization, investigate it's roots, and take all the means realistically possible (so long as they're effective) at protecting the security of important buildings such as the GTO building.

But I have to speak out of character with a concern I have on this whole ordeal. I've always been a little wary of the GM's power and how it's used, and this whole incident makes me a little uneasy. Essentially the Game Moderator has the power to create, well, reality. What I'm talking about here specifically is the lynch mob going after Al.

Al started a silly little organization like Al always does. Yes it said "we are prepared to use violence" in it and such, but that sort of stuff always pops up in Atlasia. Xahar has started at least two "revolutions." The Southeast once tried to wage an economic war on the Pacific. I can't count on one hand the times people have talked about secessions since I've been in Atlasia. But Purple State never decided to pop up and start implicating actual members in these things.

I don't like that, potentially, at any moment, the GM is capable of just taking down actual members and essentially banning them from the game (treason, afterall) because of some in-character thing they decided to do. I'm fine with events and responding to them and playing along as we always do. But I don't like that we're basically all going along with someone having the power to damage actual members just by crafting a narrative around it. I really think it's something we should avoid.
I thought Al actually prompted Badger to do it.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on January 31, 2011, 07:38:09 PM
If that's the case then I'm totally fine with it. But I just hope it doesn't get used without that prompting in the future. I want to keep as many people playing the game as possible.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 31, 2011, 07:56:17 PM
If that's the case then I'm totally fine with it. But I just hope it doesn't get used without that prompting in the future. I want to keep as many people playing the game as possible.
Echoing what Marokai said, I sincerely Al agreed to do this beforehand, and my guess is that he did. If not, though, I think it was completely out of line to pin him for this, and I'm sure Atlasians will hold nothing personal against him for it.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tpfkaw on February 01, 2011, 12:53:44 AM
Small question:  How can we expect someone who failed homeschool, and whose definition of "success" is being one of those iPhone-owning welfare recipients to do anything other than fail at being President?  Furthermore, why shouldn't everyone vote against that person in the hopes that he might be inspired to abandon his unhealthy obsession with a stupid forum game and get his ass out of his parents' basement and into real life?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 01, 2011, 01:23:04 AM
Wormyguy acts like wormyguy. News at 11.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 01, 2011, 02:14:34 AM
Yeah! Those damn iPhone toting fools!


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Yelnoc on February 01, 2011, 08:57:42 AM
Small question:  How can we expect someone who failed homeschool, and whose definition of "success" is being one of those iPhone-owning welfare recipients to do anything other than fail at being President?  Furthermore, why shouldn't everyone vote against that person in the hopes that he might be inspired to abandon his unhealthy obsession with a stupid forum game and get his ass out of his parents' basement and into real life?
lolwut


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: ilikeverin on February 01, 2011, 10:28:02 AM
How you would handle Reality Or Nothing problem if you were President right now?

This question thread was meant to get answers and attention, so I may as well answer this in several ways that I've been thinking.

First, if I was President, speaking in character, I would obviously support efforts (and do currently) to list Reality of Nothing as a terrorist organization, investigate it's roots, and take all the means realistically possible (so long as they're effective) at protecting the security of important buildings such as the GTO building.

But I have to speak out of character with a concern I have on this whole ordeal. I've always been a little wary of the GM's power and how it's used, and this whole incident makes me a little uneasy. Essentially the Game Moderator has the power to create, well, reality. What I'm talking about here specifically is the lynch mob going after Al.

Al started a silly little organization like Al always does. Yes it said "we are prepared to use violence" in it and such, but that sort of stuff always pops up in Atlasia. Xahar has started at least two "revolutions." The Southeast once tried to wage an economic war on the Pacific. I can't count on one hand the times people have talked about secessions since I've been in Atlasia. But Purple State never decided to pop up and start implicating actual members in these things.

I don't like that, potentially, at any moment, the GM is capable of just taking down actual members and essentially banning them from the game (treason, afterall) because of some in-character thing they decided to do. I'm fine with events and responding to them and playing along as we always do. But I don't like that we're basically all going along with someone having the power to damage actual members just by crafting a narrative around it. I really think it's something we should avoid.
I thought Al actually prompted Badger to do it.

Of course.  Al is doing his darndest, as an ex-GM, to make Badger relevant.  The forum is doing its best to ignore such efforts.

I would try to help, but, without an office, there's no way I'm relevant.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 01, 2011, 12:17:09 PM
Do you think that a welfare-cheating, basement-dwelling, home school dropout is the best man for the job?

I am not Marokai supporter, but I want to remind what is revelant is Atlasia matters, not RL.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 01, 2011, 12:22:47 PM
Do you think that a welfare-cheating, basement-dwelling, home school dropout is the best man for the job?
Someone's personal way of life doesn't matter to me in a vote in a fantasy goverment game. Maybe in RL, but not here. The reason I don't think he's the best many for the job is because one of his opponents is me! :P


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Badger on February 01, 2011, 01:02:14 PM
How you would handle Reality Or Nothing problem if you were President right now?

This question thread was meant to get answers and attention, so I may as well answer this in several ways that I've been thinking.

First, if I was President, speaking in character, I would obviously support efforts (and do currently) to list Reality of Nothing as a terrorist organization, investigate it's roots, and take all the means realistically possible (so long as they're effective) at protecting the security of important buildings such as the GTO building.

But I have to speak out of character with a concern I have on this whole ordeal. I've always been a little wary of the GM's power and how it's used, and this whole incident makes me a little uneasy. Essentially the Game Moderator has the power to create, well, reality. What I'm talking about here specifically is the lynch mob going after Al.

Al started a silly little organization like Al always does. Yes it said "we are prepared to use violence" in it and such, but that sort of stuff always pops up in Atlasia. Xahar has started at least two "revolutions." The Southeast once tried to wage an economic war on the Pacific. I can't count on one hand the times people have talked about secessions since I've been in Atlasia. But Purple State never decided to pop up and start implicating actual members in these things.

I don't like that, potentially, at any moment, the GM is capable of just taking down actual members and essentially banning them from the game (treason, afterall) because of some in-character thing they decided to do. I'm fine with events and responding to them and playing along as we always do. But I don't like that we're basically all going along with someone having the power to damage actual members just by crafting a narrative around it. I really think it's something we should avoid.
I thought Al actually prompted Badger to do it.

Absolutely utterly no comment. For the sake of the game.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Yelnoc on February 01, 2011, 05:08:53 PM
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Of course.  Al is doing his darndest, as an ex-GM, to make Badger relevant.  The forum is doing its best to ignore such efforts.

I would try to help, but, without an office, there's no way I'm relevant.

Yay, I guessed right. 


How you would handle Reality Or Nothing problem if you were President right now?

This question thread was meant to get answers and attention, so I may as well answer this in several ways that I've been thinking.

First, if I was President, speaking in character, I would obviously support efforts (and do currently) to list Reality of Nothing as a terrorist organization, investigate it's roots, and take all the means realistically possible (so long as they're effective) at protecting the security of important buildings such as the GTO building.

But I have to speak out of character with a concern I have on this whole ordeal. I've always been a little wary of the GM's power and how it's used, and this whole incident makes me a little uneasy. Essentially the Game Moderator has the power to create, well, reality. What I'm talking about here specifically is the lynch mob going after Al.

Al started a silly little organization like Al always does. Yes it said "we are prepared to use violence" in it and such, but that sort of stuff always pops up in Atlasia. Xahar has started at least two "revolutions." The Southeast once tried to wage an economic war on the Pacific. I can't count on one hand the times people have talked about secessions since I've been in Atlasia. But Purple State never decided to pop up and start implicating actual members in these things.

I don't like that, potentially, at any moment, the GM is capable of just taking down actual members and essentially banning them from the game (treason, afterall) because of some in-character thing they decided to do. I'm fine with events and responding to them and playing along as we always do. But I don't like that we're basically all going along with someone having the power to damage actual members just by crafting a narrative around it. I really think it's something we should avoid.
I thought Al actually prompted Badger to do it.

Absolutely utterly no comment. For the sake of the game.
Of course ;)

And Wormyguy, what the hell?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 01, 2011, 05:36:56 PM
Wormyguy's comments in this thread are basically on the same level of what I've had to put up with the entire campaign so far, so I really see no reason why I should let it bother me.

Though I'd greatly appreciate it if our supposedly Active-in-Atlasia moderators could get around to them..


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 01, 2011, 05:52:26 PM
Also, for the record, I live on the second floor.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Gustaf on February 01, 2011, 05:53:07 PM
I've deleted a number of posts in this thread. I would advise everyone to lay off the personal attacks.

Please note that a number of posts were deleted for referencing deleted and infracted posts. These posts were not infracted themselves, of course.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Gustaf on February 01, 2011, 05:56:50 PM
Oh, and before you all throw a hissy-fit I'm letting the first Wormguy post stand. It's an unpleasant little post that indicates that he's a mean and petty little person. But just as I think I'm allowed to voice that opinion of him, I think he's allowed to argue that things Marokai has shared about his personal life makes him unfit to be president. We did precisely that when we got BushOK removed as moderator. 

Carrying on with slurring standing epithets is vindictive trolling and is going to be infracted though. He's made his point and I'm not going to let it continue.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 01, 2011, 06:01:38 PM
Oh, and before you all throw a hissy-fit I'm letting the first Wormguy post stand. It's an unpleasant little post that indicates that he's a mean and petty little person. But just as I think I'm allowed to voice that opinion of him, I think he's allowed to argue that things Marokai has shared about his personal life makes him unfit to be president. We did precisely that when we got BushOK removed as moderator. 

Carrying on with slurring standing epithets is vindictive trolling and is going to be infracted though. He's made his point and I'm not going to let it continue.

Seriously?

Can I just have one incident in this entire campaign where people decide to bicker me to death be wiped clean?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Insula Dei on February 01, 2011, 06:06:53 PM
What's your opinion of the potential abolition of the office of Vice-President?

(also: I'd like to let you know that I and, without any doubt, many others on here are utterly disgusted with wormyguy's low attack on you and that I find it a shame that Gustaf deleted/had to delete some of the reactions here along with wormyguy's posts)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Gustaf on February 01, 2011, 06:07:53 PM
Oh, and before you all throw a hissy-fit I'm letting the first Wormguy post stand. It's an unpleasant little post that indicates that he's a mean and petty little person. But just as I think I'm allowed to voice that opinion of him, I think he's allowed to argue that things Marokai has shared about his personal life makes him unfit to be president. We did precisely that when we got BushOK removed as moderator. 

Carrying on with slurring standing epithets is vindictive trolling and is going to be infracted though. He's made his point and I'm not going to let it continue.

Seriously?

Can I just have one incident in this entire campaign where people decide to bicker me to death be wiped clean?

I don't see what the big deal is, to be honest. If you think what he said was false it would be one thing, but I'm assuming it isn't (apart from his spin, of course) since I've never seen you claim otherwise. If you think it's irrelevant I think that is rather something for you to say than a reason for me to delete the post. I'm not going to allow it to carry on. He's been infracted. I'm just not going to take it further than that, that's all.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Gustaf on February 01, 2011, 06:10:03 PM
What's your opinion of the potential abolition of the office of Vice-President?

(also: I'd like to let you know that I and, without any doubt, many others on here are utterly disgusted with wormyguy's low attack on you and that I find it a shame that Gustaf deleted/had to delete some of the reactions here along with wormyguy's posts)

Oh, you're free to react. I just try to follow a principle of deleting posts quoting a post that I've deleted. I mean, if someone wants the post gone I generally try to eradicate it completely, even in quote form. That's not directed at the person quoting.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 01, 2011, 06:14:04 PM
What's your opinion of the potential abolition of the office of Vice-President?

I think the Vice Presidency desperately needs something to make it more worthwhile for damn sure. I'm wholeheartedly opposed to abolishing the office, but frankly, if no one's willing to do anything about the position at all everytime something's proposed, we may as well toss it, because it's getting nowhere.

The VP position should have alot more impact than it does. It's really easy to pick running mates when the position has virtually no responsibility aside from tiebreakers. I don't want the VP to exist solely as a token position for prettying up the top of the ticket just because there's no political ramifications for a VP pick. We need to make the decision matter and we need to make the position matter.

I think ideas about giving the VP position more legislative responsibilities is worth discussing. There have been some in the past that have proposed giving the Vice President the full powers of a Senator. I, honestly, wouldn't be opposed to such an idea if it was ever on the table.

If we're going to do absolutely nothing with the position, we may as well make it separately elected. I don't want the Vice President to merely be the President's accessory. We need to break up the old guard's tradition of picking carefully selected VP's to balance the top or get extra votes. These elections are supposed to be about policy and an individual's ideas. I want to eliminate as many possible political tricks as possible.

If I'm elected I will seek a variety of proposals in regard to the Vice Presidency. Something has to be done with it.

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(also: I'd like to let you know that I and, without any doubt, many others on here are utterly disgusted with wormyguy's low attack on you and that I find it a shame that Gustaf deleted/had to delete some of the reactions here along with wormyguy's posts)

Thank you, sir. I hope everyone can roundly condemn his comments.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Insula Dei on February 01, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
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I think ideas about giving the VP position more legislative responsibilities is worth discussing. There have been some in the past that have proposed giving the Vice President the full powers of a Senator. I, honestly, wouldn't be opposed to such an idea if it was ever on the table.


That actually is quite a good idea. I must say that you're at the very least running a campaign that's strong on ideas and policy, even if I'm not entirely a part of your team.

Can I also inform as to your (op)position on the idea to whipe out all of Atlasia's economical history? Would you mind explaining to me why you disagree with the idea that this would help to assure that Senate legislation actually does matter?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Purple State on February 01, 2011, 08:02:57 PM
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I think ideas about giving the VP position more legislative responsibilities is worth discussing. There have been some in the past that have proposed giving the Vice President the full powers of a Senator. I, honestly, wouldn't be opposed to such an idea if it was ever on the table.


That actually is quite a good idea. I must say that you're at the very least running a campaign that's strong on ideas and policy, even if I'm not entirely a part of your team.

Can I also inform as to your (op)position on the idea to whipe out all of Atlasia's economical history? Would you mind explaining to me why you disagree with the idea that this would help to assure that Senate legislation actually does matter?

I can take this one since Maro got to the VP-related question. ;)

In the last iteration of a PS/Marokai administration, we did present the possibility of a "legislative reset" as part of the new Constitution, which essentially would have given the game an opportunity for a do-over. However, the people and the Constitutional Convention generally opposed the idea and we let it die.

Now, while we are usually not ones to let something just go away, this is something we both agreed needs to be truly desired by Atlasians. Wiping the slate clean needs to be an organic, bottom-up effort, otherwise you lose the whole game. Some people have spent quite a long time building up certain parts of the game and the institutional memory is not necessarily a bad thing.

At the end of the day, the current economic conditions do add an element to the game, as it has given us quite a number of problems to fix. A reboot could make the game more boring.

As a final thought, I should note that when I was GM I did make it an implicit goal to present issues and "mark" legislation in ways that would identify problems and then allow Atlasians to solve them. Any GMs ability to number crunch in a fantasy world with limited data should be readily apparent. But if you're going to create a problem, you need to allow for the nation to solve the problem as well. That is why we no longer have a crushing national debt or an unhappy relationship with Venezuela.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tpfkaw on February 01, 2011, 09:49:43 PM
Let's lay out a timeline of events:

1. Marokai posts a lengthly non-sequitur (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131320.msg2800865#msg2800865) rant directed towards me in a thread I haven't even posted in.

2. I make a legitimate, factual criticism of Marokai in the thread that he started for that very purpose.

3. I'm the bad guy.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 01, 2011, 11:15:04 PM
2. I make a legitimate, factual criticism of Marokai in the thread that he started for that very purpose.

Hey, dude, how is Marokai's real life a legitimate, factual criticism in Atlasia?

Yeah, I know, I criticized Tmthforu over this cat thing, but I was wrong to bring this to Atlasia. Perhaps it's a time for you to realize the same thing?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: bgwah on February 02, 2011, 01:38:14 AM
Wormyguy's comments in this thread are basically on the same level of what I've had to put up with the entire campaign so far, so I really see no reason why I should let it bother me.

Oh, brother...


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Purple State on February 02, 2011, 01:57:23 AM
Wormyguy's comments in this thread are basically on the same level of what I've had to put up with the entire campaign so far, so I really see no reason why I should let it bother me.

Oh, brother...

I'm sorry, but we need you to phrase that in the form of a question.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 02, 2011, 04:44:43 AM
I really don't understand the standards of the moderating system now.

Apparently saying that wormyguy "can't make a single post without acting like a dick" is considered as a personal attack despite the fact it directly regards the forum and that everybody can see it's true. But when wormyguy throws nasty remarks about a user's personal life, he's free to do so because what he says is supposedly true. As it happened for Libertas, mods seems more concerned about protecting the trolls from being called trolls than actuall infracting their own trolling.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Gustaf on February 02, 2011, 07:40:52 AM
I really don't understand the standards of the moderating system now.

Apparently saying that wormyguy "can't make a single post without acting like a dick" is considered as a personal attack despite the fact it directly regards the forum and that everybody can see it's true. But when wormyguy throws nasty remarks about a user's personal life, he's free to do so because what he says is supposedly true. As it happened for Libertas, mods seems more concerned about protecting the trolls from being called trolls than actuall infracting their own trolling.

I think the first sentence is the only part of that post I'd agree with.

Wormguy: if you have issues with how another moderator moderates on another board, bring it up with him. It isn't going to affect how I moderate things here. If you think other people are being mean and unreasonable, I guess you will have to try and persuade them.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: bgwah on February 03, 2011, 04:14:23 AM
Wormyguy's comments in this thread are basically on the same level of what I've had to put up with the entire campaign so far, so I really see no reason why I should let it bother me.

Oh, brother...

I'm sorry, but we need you to phrase that in the form of a question.

A question? Okay, for the running mate:

When you were running for President, you really wanted me to endorse you, and promised me that you would join the JCP if the DA collapsed. The DA collapsed soon after, but you instead created your own party (The Game Reformer's Alliance, or something along those lines IIRC).

So my questions are:
1) Why do you think it is okay to lie to someone's face like that just to win a game?
2) Why should anyone believe anything you say?

Thanks in advance :)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Purple State on February 03, 2011, 11:40:15 PM
Wormyguy's comments in this thread are basically on the same level of what I've had to put up with the entire campaign so far, so I really see no reason why I should let it bother me.

Oh, brother...

I'm sorry, but we need you to phrase that in the form of a question.

A question? Okay, for the running mate:

When you were running for President, you really wanted me to endorse you, and promised me that you would join the JCP if the DA collapsed. The DA collapsed soon after, but you instead created your own party (The Game Reformer's Alliance, or something along those lines IIRC).

So my questions are:
1) Why do you think it is okay to lie to someone's face like that just to win a game?
2) Why should anyone believe anything you say?

Thanks in advance :)

I can answer that one easily: Around the time of the elections I actually cared about party affiliation. I no longer really do. If it means enough to you I'll join the JCP right now. But I think it should be clear to anyone in Atlasia that my "partisan activities," if that is what my party-related actions can be called, have never had anything to do with anything else I do in this game.

So can they trust me to stay in a single party? Well I already left the UDL over the course of this campaign, so who knows. But they can certainly trust that I'll fight to reform this game the same way I have since I got here.

And you are so very very velcome! ;)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 04, 2011, 04:27:56 PM
Marokai, when you're going to update statute page? It's been over a month, you know.

Oh, since I'm oficially your boss for next few days, consider this as an order.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 05, 2011, 03:16:14 PM
Oh, never mind. Since you didn't want to do your job, for what you once criticized Keystone Phil (wow, now we've got an irony here), a dedicated wiki user did it for you on my request.

Have a good time.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 06, 2011, 06:31:53 PM
While I know you might find it easy to criticize me over not updating the wiki with literally a few pieces of legislation, I've been away from Atlasia for a few days because I've had my fill with all the bickering. (Oh, and the person you "requested" update the wiki instead, lol, you're very subtle.)

Since my campaign started I've been overwhelmed with nothing but bitchfest after bitchfest and controversy after bogus controversy. At every point of something I've done in this campaign, I've had some thorn in my side trying to bicker me to death over it. NCY sycophanticly defends Tmth over his errors, Tmth tries to attack me over little things that he eventually turns out to be wrong on, Snowguy bickers with me over how long my responses are in the debate thread, Wormyguy tries insulting me with personal information (which is also, you know, wrong), you stir the pot over the UDL primary and people accuse me of being some sort of mob boss, Bgwah takes the petty bickering over to Purple State here in this thread. It goes on and on. No one gives me any break and tries to argue and bicker over each individual little thing that never has to deal with policy. These are just things off the top of my head. I didn't go back to try and highlight my point by searching posts. 

Purple State and others in private know my frustration with it all in private, and if I didn't take some time off before the campaign moved into the homestretch, I'd go on a killing spree.

When people want to battle over policy and ideas, I'm always up for the fight. I love those fights. They're battles of ideas with the people having the best ideas and those who can explain them best coming out on top. But battles of personality I can't win, and battles of fake bitching I can't win. I can't fake what I do.

So yes, I took a break for a few days, and didn't eventually get around to updating the wiki with the legislation you can count on one hand in the entire 30+ days since the last time the statute was updated. Forgive me for not keeping up with such a busy legislative body.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 06, 2011, 06:42:33 PM
Statute page haven't been updated for a month, not just "few days". That's one.

Second of all, don't try to tie me to Wormyguy's behavior, since I was the first to defend you on this ground.

And, last but not least, trust is important thing in Atlasia, and after all I know, I don't think I'd be able to trust both of you.

Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 06, 2011, 06:44:11 PM
Statute page haven't been updated for a month, not just "few days". That's one.

While I know you might find it easy to criticize me over not updating the wiki with literally a few pieces of legislation,

....

So yes, I took a break for a few days, and didn't eventually get around to updating the wiki with the legislation you can count on one hand in the entire 30+ days since the last time the statute was updated. Forgive me for not keeping up with such a busy legislative body.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: bgwah on February 06, 2011, 06:44:34 PM
Bgwah takes the petty bickering over to Purple State here in this thread.

Actually, lying to someone just to win an internet game is what's petty. But I realize this is a strategy you also employ, so you will naturally defend it.

You can cry victim all you want, Marokai. But you're the won who destroyed at least four friendships just to make things "interesting." You're the one who called the JCP "disgusting" for running its own ticket. You're the one who lied to our faces more times than I can count. You're the one who posts out of context private conversations to slander those who do not kiss the ground you walk upon. You're the one who started a whole new party because you didn't want deal with primarying Fritz (That sure backfired, considering he isn't running and you got challenged by someone else anyway). At the end of the day, you'll never be President, and it is nobody's fault but your own. You can cry about policy all you want. People don't care about credit card bills. Nobody is going to read your 3700 word platform. This is a GAME. People come here to have FUN. Nobody doubts that you have all the time in the world to devote to Atlasia, but writing the longest posts doesn't make you the best candidate for President.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 06, 2011, 06:46:26 PM
You're the one who called the JCP "disgusting" for running its own ticket. You're the one who lied to our faces more times than I can count. You're the one who posts out of context private conversations to slander those who do not kiss the ground you walk upon. You're the one who started a whole new party because you didn't want deal with primarying Fritz (That sure backfired, considering he isn't running and you got challenged by someone else anyway).

Interesting. I remember very well when a certain Atlasian was keeping asking me, if I know if Fritz will seek reelection or if I'll run instead. Heh.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 06, 2011, 07:02:04 PM
You can cry victim all you want, Marokai. But you're the won who destroyed at least four friendships just to make things "interesting." You're the one who called the JCP "disgusting" for running its own ticket.

The JCP ticket was literally formed on personal animosity toward me and made up of two people who lied right to my face on more than one occasion. People whine until they're blue in the face about how evil I am but no one ever even bothers to point out the fact that Oakvale said he would run with me, then said he wouldn't run with me because he didn't want to run for anything, then ran for President, on Snowguy's urging specifically because Snowguy told me he was pissed at me and didn't want me to win. Or bothers to point out that Snowguy himself said he didn't want to run for anything either.

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You're the one who lied to our faces more times than I can count. You're the one who posts out of context private conversations to slander those who do not kiss the ground you walk upon.


I posted snippets about two private conversations when people were full of BS and I couldn't take it anymore. I'm not going to stand for people to outright lie in public like that or try to pretend they feel a way they clearly don't. You people treated Kalwejt like crap behind his back, but now you're all acting like he's 'back home' or some other nonsense. It's absurd.

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You're the one who started a whole new party because you didn't want deal with primarying Fritz (That sure backfired, considering he isn't running and you got challenged by someone else anyway).

Fritz had nothing to do with my decision. Why is it that no one can just deal with the simple rationale that I didn't think the previous political balance of power was good for the game? I explained precisely my reasons for founding the UDL. If I had stayed in the JCP I wouldn't have dared to primary anyone. This insane notion that I slashed my own political base so I could, and this is where is becomes crazy, have more power, is completely contradictory. If I wanted power I would've stayed in the JCP, where people would've voted for whoever the JCP ticket was without question, end of story.

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At the end of the day, you'll never be President, and it is nobody's fault but your own. You can cry about policy all you want. People don't care about credit card bills. Nobody is going to read your 3700 word platform. This is a GAME. People come here to have FUN.


And you know what, that's totally fine, if everyone stops the pretense about policy. If everyone stops this pathetic act about actually caring about any possible administration or acting like they want to 'solve the tough issues' facing Atlasia. I'll drop my focus on policy proposals when people stop pretending they actually give a damn.

Oakvale has barely proposed anything, Tmth is unsure of what to propose beyond wholesale plagiarism or the no-brainers, so yeah, you're probably right. I'm not going to deny that at the end of the day, no one seems to care about the deeper parts to Atlasia. But if that's the case, I want people to have the balls to say it out loud instead of being two-faced about it. If Oakvale wants to run on the "we're awesome people and Atlasia is just for fun! wooo!" platform, I am all for him doing so. Most JCP members would vote for him no matter what, anyway.

But until people are honest about their true feelings, I'll stick to publishing platforms and arguing over what people say they actually care about.

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Nobody doubts that you have all the time in the world to devote to Atlasia, but writing the longest posts doesn't make you the best candidate for President.

By the measure of "candidate with the prettiest smile and awesomest groupies!", you're probably right. Since that's what this campaign has devolved to, I'm 99.5% sure I'm headed for defeat.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 06, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
The JCP ticket was literally formed on personal animosity toward me

I'm not following your logic. You, with help of others, myself including, caused a break within JCP and you were suprised JCP is running own ticket instead of throwing support behind you?

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You people treated Kalwejt like crap behind his back, but now you're all acting like he's 'back home' or some other nonsense. It's absurd.

I was wrong about bgwah, perhaps I listed to certain people BS too much, before I could verify all myself. Turns out, I was wrong about you too.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: bgwah on February 06, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
That's another thing I can't stand about this situation. Marokai says the split was for competition... unless he's running. Then we should all support him!

Your unity ticket last year with Purple State resulted in an incredibly boring election that hurt Atlasia. And you wanted the same thing here, despite your calls for competition. You claimed I was too partisan, because I wanted to run all-JCP tickets... You know what? All JCP tickets were way more interesting and competitive than unity super-tickets.

I posted snippets about two private conversations when people were full of BS and I couldn't take it anymore. I'm not going to stand for people to outright lie in public like that or try to pretend they feel a way they clearly don't. You people treated Kalwejt like crap behind his back, but now you're all acting like he's 'back home' or some other nonsense. It's absurd.

Hah. Is posting private convos really a game you want to play, Marokai? Because you will lose.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 06, 2011, 07:22:55 PM
That's another thing I can't stand about this situation. Marokai says the split was for competition... unless he's running. Then we should all support him!

The reason I joined UDL at the very start, more: did a lot of recruitment work, was this: I wanted to help to create something new in Atlasia. But I didn't wanted it to become a sectarian tool for one member wild ambitions in an obscure, after all, GAME, not a tool for Xahar's trollish desires (I bet his three points are merely "bgwah is bad, bgwah must be stopped, bgwah is a devil").

Luckily Marokai soon will land in Atlasian history trashcan, and UDL, with so many great people inside, can be a force we can both cooperate around common values, or compete FOR THE FUN OF A GAME. Without all this BS, you, Marokai, are providing so willingly.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: bgwah on February 06, 2011, 07:25:26 PM
That's another thing I can't stand about this situation. Marokai says the split was for competition... unless he's running. Then we should all support him!

The reason I joined UDL at the very start, more: did a lot of recruitment work, was this: I wanted to help to create something new in Atlasia. But I didn't wanted it to become a sectarian tool for one member wild ambitions in an obscure, after all, GAME, not a tool for Xahar's trollish desires (I bet his three points are merely "bgwah is bad, bgwah must be stopped, bgwah is a devil").

Luckily Marokai soon will land in Atlasian history trashcan, and UDL, with so many great people inside, can be a force we can both cooperate around common values, or compete FOR THE FUN OF A GAME. Without all this BS, you, Marokai, are providing so willingly.

Yeah, I would like to add that I too like most people in the UDL. I think it's really unfortunate that Marokai has made it so difficult for our two parties to work together.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 06, 2011, 07:26:53 PM
I posted snippets about two private conversations when people were full of BS and I couldn't take it anymore. I'm not going to stand for people to outright lie in public like that or try to pretend they feel a way they clearly don't. You people treated Kalwejt like crap behind his back, but now you're all acting like he's 'back home' or some other nonsense. It's absurd.

Hah. Is posting private convos really a game you want to play, Marokai? Because you will lose.

I can't think of anything embarassing I wouldn't want let out to the public at this point. I've said before and I'll say it again: No one needs to get permission from me to post anything I've said to them in private. My comments are an open book and I'm honest about them.

And the only thing I've PMed that I'm embarassed about is when I was PPT and I sent out messages to Senators titled "Supafly PPT Marokai givin' you a pimpin' message." I don't know what had gotten into me that day.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 06, 2011, 07:45:09 PM
Oh, since Marokai just gave us premission to post private stuff like this...

Here's his public statement.

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Magma71rs (4:56:21 PM): Lief also would've been the more sensible choice considering the fact that he'll be in the senate for more than another month and ahalf.

I'm so petty.

And reality:

You really shouldn't have voted for Snowguy. You're basically handing him campaign advertisements, now.

Great deal of hipocrisy, as we can see. Basically this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yB7J7DYi6M).


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 06, 2011, 07:59:53 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what I said. Like I mentioned before, I didn't say anything until the race was over and done with. The only thing I take issue with is people accusing me of trying to stop Snowguy from becoming PPT, which is a lie, since I didn't comment until after it was settled. "Trying to stop Snowguy from being PPT" implies I tried to derail it during the process, which, as evidenced here and elsewhere, I didn't do.

The only thing I did there is openly say what any other candidate would've been thinking, in that instance.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 07, 2011, 12:06:18 AM
NCY sycophanticly defends Tmth over his errors,


uh, just what the hell are you referring to here?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Purple State on February 07, 2011, 12:13:44 AM
Cycles in this game are so interesting. Was it one year ago where the right was tearing itself to shreds in a similar way? And now it's the left's turn. Spend two years in this game and you've truly seen it all.

I assume this will all be papered over in a few months.

One thing for Bgwah to mull over: you need to choose whether this is a game to you or whether it's personal. If it truly is a game where fun is paramount, then Marokai's actions should not ruin friendships and my decision not to join the JCP is just another turn of events. You relish the chance to personally attack people far more than one should if it is truly just a game.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: bgwah on February 07, 2011, 12:37:29 AM
Cycles in this game are so interesting. Was it one year ago where the right was tearing itself to shreds in a similar way? And now it's the left's turn. Spend two years in this game and you've truly seen it all.

I assume this will all be papered over in a few months.

One thing for Bgwah to mull over: you need to choose whether this is a game to you or whether it's personal. If it truly is a game where fun is paramount, then Marokai's actions should not ruin friendships and my decision not to join the JCP is just another turn of events. You relish the chance to personally attack people far more than one should if it is truly just a game.

I have not personally attacked anyone in this thread. Don't be ridiculous.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 01:11:56 AM
Cycles in this game are so interesting. Was it one year ago where the right was tearing itself to shreds in a similar way? And now it's the left's turn. Spend two years in this game and you've truly seen it all.

I assume this will all be papered over in a few months.

One thing for Bgwah to mull over: you need to choose whether this is a game to you or whether it's personal. If it truly is a game where fun is paramount, then Marokai's actions should not ruin friendships and my decision not to join the JCP is just another turn of events. You relish the chance to personally attack people far more than one should if it is truly just a game.

I've mentioned it before back in the day when I spent time criticizing the LNF. Alot of those who seem to clamor "it's just a game!" the loudest tend to take the game personally more than anyone else. I may have been wrong about who I was criticizing back then, but it certainly seems to ring true for some. Sadly.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 07, 2011, 02:01:07 AM
Cycles in this game are so interesting. Was it one year ago where the right was tearing itself to shreds in a similar way? And now it's the left's turn. Spend two years in this game and you've truly seen it all.

I assume this will all be papered over in a few months.

One thing for Bgwah to mull over: you need to choose whether this is a game to you or whether it's personal. If it truly is a game where fun is paramount, then Marokai's actions should not ruin friendships and my decision not to join the JCP is just another turn of events. You relish the chance to personally attack people far more than one should if it is truly just a game.

I've mentioned it before back in the day when I spent time criticizing the LNF. Alot of those who seem to clamor "it's just a game!" the loudest tend to take the game personally more than anyone else. I may have been wrong about who I was criticizing back then, but it certainly seems to ring true for some. Sadly.

We get it, Marokai.  You don't take the game personally.  But you take friendship even less seriously.  You made that very clear.

And you still act like you're the victim and that everybody around you is being unreasonable while poor, innocent you just cowers in the middle of it all.  As if.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:21:12 AM
I was unaware that my friendships with both you and Bgwah were conditional on my presence as a JCP member.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 07, 2011, 02:25:22 AM
I was unaware that my friendships with both you and Bgwah were conditional on my presence as a JCP member.

You know exactly why I am no longer your friend.  The stuff you've pulled with people that care about you is unforgivable.  So don't act like this is just some petty thing about the JCP.  This is about you doing some rotten things to people so you can get your way. 

Keep playing victim, Marokai.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 07, 2011, 02:27:20 AM
Forgive me for not keeping up with such a busy legislative body.
You can't even keep up with a slow legislative body. Imagine how awful it'd be if they had been especially active this session! :P

Marokai, you're job as AG should be above running this campaign. Part of that job is updating the wiki. You know how long it took be to do it? 30 minutes. And don't try and say you haven't had time, because everyone know's you have plenty of time on your hands to spend half an hour doing your only job right now.  If running this campaign is tmth (too much to handle) and detracts from your real job, you should either resign or drop out of the race.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:30:25 AM
Forgive me for not keeping up with such a busy legislative body.
You can't even keep up with a slow legislative body. Imagine how awful it'd be if they had been especially active this session! :P

Marokai, you're job as AG should be above running this campaign. Part of that job is updating the wiki. You know how long it took be to do it? 30 minutes. And don't try and say you haven't had time, because everyone know's you have plenty of time on your hands to spend half an hour doing your only job right now.  If running this campaign is tmth (too much to handle) and detracts from your real job, you should either resign or drop out of the race.

Like I said, I took time away from Atlasia for a few days and didn't see Kalwejt mention it. If he actually wanted it, he could've PMed me, or sent me a message on AIM, both of which he didn't do. He then immediately ran to you, my political opponent, to do the job instead. He clearly didn't care that much about it and just wanted something to counter any complaints about Snowguy's poor tenure as PPT. (As if me not updating the wiki with legislation you can count on one hand is actually a blight on my record.)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:32:38 AM
I was unaware that my friendships with both you and Bgwah were conditional on my presence as a JCP member.

You know exactly why I am no longer your friend.  The stuff you've pulled with people that care about you is unforgivable.  So don't act like this is just some petty thing about the JCP.  This is about you doing some rotten things to people so you can get your way. 

Keep playing victim, Marokai.

Oh please. "Care about me." I was useful as a JCP right-hand-man. It's not like I insulted your mother and then tried to post Bgwah's address on my way out, for Christ's sake.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 07, 2011, 02:36:21 AM
Forgive me for not keeping up with such a busy legislative body.
You can't even keep up with a slow legislative body. Imagine how awful it'd be if they had been especially active this session! :P

Marokai, you're job as AG should be above running this campaign. Part of that job is updating the wiki. You know how long it took be to do it? 30 minutes. And don't try and say you haven't had time, because everyone know's you have plenty of time on your hands to spend half an hour doing your only job right now.  If running this campaign is tmth (too much to handle) and detracts from your real job, you should either resign or drop out of the race.

Like I said, I took time away from Atlasia for a few days and didn't see Kalwejt mention it. If he actually wanted it, he could've PMed me, or sent me a message on AIM, both of which he didn't do. He then immediately ran to you, my political opponent, to do the job instead. He clearly didn't care that much about it and just wanted something to counter any complaints about Snowguy's poor tenure as PPT. (As if me not updating the wiki with legislation you can count on one hand is actually a blight on my record.)

Marokai, no one should have to remind you to do your job. And in defending Kalwejt, he didn’t run to me and ask me to do it. I told him it needed to be done, and asked him if it’d be okay, to which he said yes. This was not a political maneuver on either of our parts. It just needed to be done.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:39:21 AM
If it wasn't a political maneuver, you wouldn't be here faux-shaming me over it.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 07, 2011, 02:43:21 AM
If it wasn't a political maneuver, you wouldn't be here faux-shaming me over it.
I didn't say a word about it until you brought it up tonight, and I wasn't planning on saying anything. I did it because it needed to be done. I would have done the same thing if (pulls name out of hat) PiT was AG and wasn't updating the statue. And if he would have tried to shrug it off and act like it was no big deal that he was neglecting his job, I would have called him out on it too.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:45:44 AM
Oakvale: Evaded calls to publish any sort of platform or outline of policies for weeks.

Tmth: Unfamiliar with a variety of laws, consistently dodges questions about his proposals concerning the debt and asks others to do the work for him.

Marokai: Didn't update the wiki with five pieces of legislation.

MAROKAI BLUE: TOO RISKY FOR ATLASIA.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 07, 2011, 02:49:56 AM
I was unaware that my friendships with both you and Bgwah were conditional on my presence as a JCP member.

You know exactly why I am no longer your friend.  The stuff you've pulled with people that care about you is unforgivable.  So don't act like this is just some petty thing about the JCP.  This is about you doing some rotten things to people so you can get your way.  

Keep playing victim, Marokai.

Oh please. "Care about me." I was useful as a JCP right-hand-man. It's not like I insulted your mother and then tried to post Bgwah's address on my way out, for Christ's sake.

Case in point.  Got any other nasty, personal things to say?



Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 07, 2011, 02:50:48 AM
Tmth: Unfamiliar with a variety of laws, consistently dodges questions about his proposals concerning the debt and asks others to do the work for him.
I have no problem admitting I don't know every Atlasian law under the Sun, and I doubt you or anyone else does either.

However, you're second line is completely and utterly false. I have a list of proposed budget cuts to the military which I sent to Badger about a week ago, and he has promised that within the week, he'll have some numbers back to me on the effects. I'm not going to post those numbers publically until I know what their effects would be, but if you'd like to hit me up sometime on AIM or private message, I'd be more than happy to work with you on them, as I'm sure you'd be willing to provide some insight.

And Marokai, the fact that it was only 5 or so pieces of legislation makes it even worse, because that could have easily been taken care of in less than an hour. You neglected to do one of the easiest jobs in Atlasia - updating the Wiki.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 07, 2011, 02:52:10 AM
Oakvale: Evaded calls to publish any sort of platform or outline of policies for weeks.

Tmth: Unfamiliar with a variety of laws, consistently dodges questions about his proposals concerning the debt and asks others to do the work for him.

Marokai: Didn't update the wiki with five pieces of legislation.

MAROKAI BLUE: TOO RISKY FOR ATLASIA.

VOTE FOR MAROKAI BLUE:  IT'S HIS TURN!


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:52:40 AM
I was unaware that my friendships with both you and Bgwah were conditional on my presence as a JCP member.

You know exactly why I am no longer your friend.  The stuff you've pulled with people that care about you is unforgivable.  So don't act like this is just some petty thing about the JCP.  This is about you doing some rotten things to people so you can get your way.  

Keep playing victim, Marokai.

Oh please. "Care about me." I was useful as a JCP right-hand-man. It's not like I insulted your mother and then tried to post Bgwah's address on my way out, for Christ's sake.

Case in point.  Got any other nasty, personal things to say?

If you actually took offense to that, you are one of the most oversensitive people on the planet. There was no insult in there whatsoever, and certainly nothing "nasty." It was "I don't know what on Earth I did to make you people hate me so much, because all I did was form another party. I didn't actually try assassinating you."

Tmth: Unfamiliar with a variety of laws, consistently dodges questions about his proposals concerning the debt and asks others to do the work for him.
I have no problem admitting I don't know every Atlasian law under the Sun, and I doubt you or anyone else does either.

However, you're second line is completely and utterly false. I have a list of proposed budget cuts to the military which I sent to Badger about a week ago, and he has promised that within the week, he'll have some numbers back to me on the effects. I'm not going to post those numbers publically until I know what their effects would be, but if you'd like to hit me up sometime on AIM or private message, I'd be more than happy to work with you on them, as I'm sure you'd be willing to provide some insight.

And Marokai, the fact that it was only 5 or so pieces of legislation makes it even worse, because that could have easily been taken care of in less than an hour. You neglected to do one of the easiest jobs in Atlasia - updating the Wiki.

We get it.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:53:07 AM
Oakvale: Evaded calls to publish any sort of platform or outline of policies for weeks.

Tmth: Unfamiliar with a variety of laws, consistently dodges questions about his proposals concerning the debt and asks others to do the work for him.

Marokai: Didn't update the wiki with five pieces of legislation.

MAROKAI BLUE: TOO RISKY FOR ATLASIA.

VOTE FOR MAROKAI BLUE:  IT'S HIS TURN!

People from the JCP hardly have the right to criticize anyone else for "waiting in line."


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 07, 2011, 02:56:56 AM
I see that I have been made into a, uh, villain again, or something. Funny how those things go.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 02:59:20 AM
I see that I have been made into a, uh, villain again, or something. Funny how those things go.

Jealous? :P


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 07, 2011, 02:59:45 AM
Oakvale: Evaded calls to publish any sort of platform or outline of policies for weeks.

Tmth: Unfamiliar with a variety of laws, consistently dodges questions about his proposals concerning the debt and asks others to do the work for him.

Marokai: Didn't update the wiki with five pieces of legislation.

MAROKAI BLUE: TOO RISKY FOR ATLASIA.

VOTE FOR MAROKAI BLUE:  IT'S HIS TURN!

People from the JCP hardly have the right to criticize anyone else for "waiting in line."
Ha.  Like you even waited in line.  You created a new party to avoid just that.

As for your other response:  You still just don't get it.  I spelled it out quite clearly why I was angry with you.  It has more to do with you being manipulative and conniving... not to mention blackmailing people by threatening to post extremely personal information about them on the forum to get your way.

The fact that you still act like you've done nothing wrong and everybody else is being unreasonable, again, just proves my point:  You're either clueless or have a severe case of narcissism... to the point where you literally lack the ability to understand why others think the way they do.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on February 07, 2011, 03:04:53 AM
I see that I have been made into a, uh, villain again, or something. Funny how those things go.

It's the fuzzstache ;)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 07, 2011, 03:05:34 AM
Ha.  Like you even waited in line.  You created a new party to avoid just that.

This still makes no sense to me. I demolished my own power base just so I could have more power. My, how diabolical my ways are!

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The fact that you still act like you've done nothing wrong and everybody else is being unreasonable, again, just proves my point:  You're either clueless or have a severe case of narcissism... to the point where you literally lack the ability to understand why others think the way they do.

No, you don't get it. I completely understand why you guys are upset at me. And there's not another person on Earth who tries to make amends for their actions and soften the hate than what I've tried to accomplish. I recall saying to you, and everyone else, "what do you want from me? what can I do? name it" but there's no point. I could offer you my life in servitude of you, but you have no desire to make amends.

And if that's the case, that's cool and I understand. But you can either say you're really sorry about the turn of events and act disappointed and even furious at me and that you wish it could all be smoothed out and we could work together, or you could just drop the pretense about feeling so sad about it and just hate my guts until the day you die. But you can't act like you hate my very existence and be entirely unwilling to change that attitude at the same time you try to pretend like there's anything I could've ever done or could still ever do to redeem myself to you.

What you mistake for narcissism is just me giving up because I see it as a completely hopeless endeavor. It's not me being evil.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 07, 2011, 03:09:47 AM
I see that I have been made into a, uh, villain again, or something. Funny how those things go.

Jealous? :P

Just a little bit. ;)

I see that I have been made into a, uh, villain again, or something. Funny how those things go.

It's the fuzzstache ;)

Well, that's not going anywhere, so...


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Gustaf on February 07, 2011, 03:14:09 AM
You should probably all calm down a little bit before I have to start infracting you.

On a more personal note, you should all really get over yourself. I mean, come on.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 07, 2011, 07:30:46 AM
If it wasn't a political maneuver, you wouldn't be here faux-shaming me over it.

Marokai, it wasn't like I AIMed Tmthforu "hey, dude, Marokai is not updating, please do it quickly, so we can viciously attack him over this!". You were the first to bring this one, just to play a victim of some evil plot.

Marokai, looking for a conspiracy against you anywhere won't help you in anything.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Purple State on February 07, 2011, 07:57:51 AM
You should probably all calm down a little bit before I have to start infracting you.

On a more personal note, you should all really get over yourself. I mean, come on.

For serious. It amazes me that people can destroy (or create for that matter) such personal friendships over an internet forum. Such is the nature of our times I guess? Still, it's pretty ridiculous how much vitriol can go into these things nowadays.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 07, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
So much drama ? Again ?

Sigh...


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: ilikeverin on February 07, 2011, 09:17:28 AM

Welcome to Atlasia! :)


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 07, 2011, 09:34:20 AM

I fail to understand how I've been in this game for one year and half, and yet I'm still not used to all this bickering...


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Franzl on February 07, 2011, 10:11:34 AM
I pity anyone that develops "friendships" in this game.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Oakvale on February 07, 2011, 03:48:24 PM
I pity anyone that develops "friendships" in this game.

It never fails to amaze me just how passionate people get about imaginary politics on a small internet message board.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 07, 2011, 03:50:09 PM
I pity anyone that develops "friendships" in this game.

It never fails to amaze me just how passionate people get about imaginary politics on a small internet message board.

Self-Fulfilling Prophecy is to blame.


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Insula Dei on February 07, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
This thread is one collossal 'wtf bro'.



Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 07, 2011, 04:25:54 PM
I demand a response!

NCY sycophanticly defends Tmth over his errors,


uh, just what the hell are you referring to here?


Title: Re: Question Time with Marokai and PS
Post by: Badger on February 08, 2011, 03:10:55 PM
:'( So much anger here. So little love.