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http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/24/virginia.terror.sentence/

If I were Obama this guy would be my first pardon.

So, if he attacked Seth McFarlane, would the punishment fit the crime?

I'd hope he would receive some sort of trophy or medal for that.

Troll much?

Terribly written article btw. It buries the real lead and goes for the attention getting headline. Only in last paragraph do you get to the meaty charge. He also threatened Facebook users of the draw Muhammed thing and called on people to leave fake bombs.
"Chesser also admitted that he tried to go to Somalia to join Al-Shabaab, an Islamic militant group that the United States considers a terrorist organization."  He tried to link up with this group twice.

Clearly needs a pardon.

25 years is a little harsh, but he was making what seemed to me a TERRORIST THREAT! Id give him 15. If this were Seth McFarlene, he would get life Im sure. And South Park is the best show on television. I love it, because they make fun of everyone, muslims included, unlike family guy, which only targets special needs people.

Why am I not surprised that BRTD supports terrorism when it comes to South Park?

It may be a stupid show, but the man is still a terrorist who got what he deserved.

I'm also not surprised that BRTD is outright misrepresenting this criminal's actions. What he did wasn't an insult--it was encouraging criminal activity, and he even posted the home addresses so that people could "pay them a visit".

BRTD, what you're congratulating this guy for is literally the same thing as those rabid Tea Party types that posted home addresses of Democratic Congressmen and threw bricks in their windows and such. IIRC you've had plenty of negative things to say about them. Hypocrisy much?

and Asians, and hicks, and Jews, and homosexuals, and black people, and Southerners, and paranoid conservatives, and tree huggers, etc., etc.,


I agree that the title of the thread is misleading and that the article is poorly written.  Just to be clear, this guy is not being charged with, or sentenced for, insulting the creators of a show.

That said, I also think the sentence was harsh.  All he did was speak something, write something, and maybe attempt to enjoy his right of free association with a group of people.  Somewhere in Virginia, James Madison and Thomas Jefferson must be rolling over in their graves.  Most of the time I think opebo's diatribes against the "bad place" are silly, but I'd have to agree when he calls it a Police State.

He was charged with two things, and I'd bet that the charge of providing material support to a terrorist organization  carries a harsher sentence, and is the reason why the sentence was 25 years instead of just a few.

Both actions are deplorable.

Uh no. Family Guy is absolutely vicious to right wingers. It's even hit Vietnam vets. Would South Park ever be willing to do a joke like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boN2lR7vwWE

There was a joke in that video?

SP is also vicous to right wingers, but its funny. Family Guy is just nasty some times.

No it's not funny. It's just the same type of "humor" as the Seltzer and Friedberg movies. OMG CELEBRITY REFERENCE! OMG SOMETHING "OFFENSIVE" AND "SHOCKING"! Family Guy has great humor and I have never been offended by anything on it besides the episode where they attacked Christians. South Park offends me all the time with their right-wing garbage and just being stupid and unfunny.

Not a fan of either but at least South Park doesn't rely on formulaic 20-30 year old pop culture references/cut away gags for 90% of their jokes. Also even with basically cut and paste character designs the show is still better animated than Seth MacFarlane's poor excuse for drawings.

The sentence in bold I can't tell if you're talking about South Park or Family Guy...

You have no reason to be offended by that; you're an atheist.


You think that everything right-wing is "garbage". ::)

And you still haven't told us: even if South Park were a stupid/unfunny show, how does that excuse or justify this man's terrorism?

South Park has entire episodes that don't reference a single pop culture icon.  I like Family Guy, but I can't say I've seen them go a commercial break act without at least one reference joke.

It should have read "attempting to provide material support" since that was the charge, according to the FBI website.  I'll stand by my post.  I've never agreed with the law that makes giving money or time to an organization a crime.  I don't know whether the supreme court has ever ruled specifically on the law--and I don't imagine such a ruling would be the result of this case since this guy freely admits his guilt--but it'd be interesting to see their opinion, whichever way they would rule.  I'll admit that as a non-lawyer person, I may not understand the subtleties of the law, but it just seems to me that this "material support" charge is a desperate, catch-all phrase that flies directly against the spirit of our constitutional freedoms.  If I take up arms against the government, that's another matter, and I could reasonably expected to be imprisoned or executed for that, but I ought to have the right to give time and money to any organization I want to give it to.  

False.


If he got South Park to cease production it would do wonders for our culture. Just like getting Friedberg and Seltzer to quit making movies.

So what religion are you a part of?


So? Again, it doesn't matter; he's still a terrorist.

Christianity.


Hordes of your fellow Catholics love the IRA and would argue they aren't terrorists, so I'll take the same attitude toward this guy.

Right.


Wrong. First, you don't know what I think of the IRA, as I've never commented on it. Second, it doesn't excuse your opinion on South Park; if you think we're wrong over the IRA, then you should be condemning this man also. Unless, of course, you think the IRA is right after all.

No the IRA had a wrong cause. This man had a good cause.

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And you're still trying to get away from my question--are you saying that terrorism is a good thing when it comes to South Park?

     Don't know if 25 years is appropriate, but this guy is quite a vile person. He gains no sympathy from me.

All I know is that Draw the Prophet Mohammed Day should be a national holiday.
...and South Park is better. I think the point of things like South Park and Family Guy is to just get a sense of humor and not be offended.

Terrorism is wrong period, doesn't matter whether you like the show or not, stop wasting everyones time BTRD.


Btw, South Park is one of the best shows currently on TV, Family Guy is Crap

Yes, BRTD, it's against the law to be liberal and Christian.  The founding fathers wrote it in the Constitution after "one nation under God."

Translation: Shows are only offensive if they attack BTRD's religion or don't conform to BTRD's political views :P   

The Family Guy pop culture references and whatnot are used for jokes. In South Park you're basically expected to laugh just because they are there. Kind of like how Friedberg and Seltzer movies are like "HA HA, HERE'S A CHARACTER FROM ANOTHER MOVIE!". South Park is like "HA HA HERE'S ROB REINER AND HE'S FAT AND EATING UNHEALTHILY BUT HE PREACHES AGAINST SMOKING HE'S SUCH A HYPOCRITE! HA HA HA HA!" Family Guy makes actual jokes, even if they're cutaways, so it's a lot better than a stupid show completely devoid in humor.

Haha, they broke the mold with you, BRTD.

For example the subplot in the aforementioned offensive episode, where Stewie kidnaps the cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation was a celebrity reference, but it was really funny and well-written and far superior to the main plot in that episode which was offensive, unfunny garbage, quite rare for Family Guy. Actually the main plot in that episode was very South Park-ish.

The real funny thing is that he sounds almost exactly like Cartman from the South Park episodes about Family Guy, except in reverse.

http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/8173/South-Park-rips-Family-Guy/

Guys, both of your shows are retarded.

And I can well understand why you might not like either of them. The difference between you and BRTD is that you don't think that making terrorist threats (or "insults" as BRTD likes to call them) against the creators of said shows is acceptable just because you don't like them.

That's the way BRTD is; if BRTD likes it, it should be supported by any means necessary, and if he doesn't, it should be abolished, by almost any means necessary (he's almost but not quite to opebo levels yet though).

This kind of disproves your own point, BRTD.  You, a non-fan of the show, remember Rob Reiner's appearance in context to an episode about Smoke Stoppers.

What happened in the rest of the episode before and after Sneakers O'Toole walked across the screen?

And I thought Sneakers O'Toole was funny, too, but I don't remember sh**t about the plot of the episode.

Uh, that was the episode where they went to Texas because it was believed that Stewie was demoniacally possessed because he threw up communion wine.. It's even discussed in the bit around Sneakers O'Toole.

Chris: Where are we going?
Stewie: Who cares, as long as it's away from those bloody church fanatics.
Lois: We're going to Texas. We can stay at my sister Carol's place until this blows over.
Brian: Texas? We're going to Texas in search of religious tolerance? That's like trying to get Sneakers O'Toole to take his sneakers off!
*Sneakers O'Toole clip plays*

And people still ask how BRTD can be a fan of opebo?

Yes and how many times have you watched that?

I doubt it took multiple viewings to sink in which episode the Rob Reiner joke of South Park occurred.  Hell, for saying South Park just references like Friedberg/Seltzer with no visible purpose, you also sure got the whole "Rob Reiner is hypocrite because he's fat" meaning without much effort.

South Park still has better story structure.  One problem I have with Family Guy (especially recent seasons) is that it spends about 20 minutes of its 22 minute running time building the plot, but the resolution is only about 30 seconds.  Like they could have this whole story line about Peter in an argument with Lois and then in two short sentences tacked on into the end, they make up.  Or Stewie will go on with some big plan about something for 20 min and Brian will ask Stewie "what happened with..." at the 21 minute mark and "oh I decided..." and it's over. They don't tell a funny story.  If they can't fit it all in their running time, I think it should be an hour long show.  The "Road to..."s and other specials are usually their best.

The only thing FG has on South Park is that it makes self-referential humor about itself.  Stewie making an "oh, I thought we were going to show a clip" after a one-liner.

But the Sneakers O'Toole gag is just as funny out of context. The anti-Rob Reiner stuff isn't all that funny in context and is just Anvilicious preaching.


Uh, that's deliberate. It's called a Shaggy Dog Story.

South Park does that too anyway. They often act like there will be some big climax and then end it on a silly note. See the giant douche vs. turd sandwich episode, "Oh, now your vote didn't matter." The end. Roll credits.


Yes and the cut-away gags are great too because they work out of context. It's similar to that show You Can't Do That On Television linked earlier today. The show was literally nothing more than a bunch of skits running together, and these were rarely more than 2 minutes, so it wasn't even like SNL. And it worked PERFECTLY.

Yes, the cutaway gags work out of context.  But you are claiming that South Park is like Friedberg/Selzter, which is entirely movies of jokes that are totally out of context and don't advance the story.  If anything, Family Guy is Friedberg/Seltzer well-executed.

No the thing is in South Park there is no joke. You're basically expected to laugh because of the extremely simplistic caricature of Rob Reiner and ridiculously Anvilicious preaching. You know how all the tobacco employees were singing about how great of a job it is?

Family Guy does not rely on that and it's hardly Friedberg and Seltzer-ish. I mean look at Sneaker's O'Toole for example, that's not a pop culture reference at all.

Yes, but Sneakers O'Toole is an exception not the rule.  South Park is still funny even if it doesn't follow a punchline style.  McFarlane and Judge don't use the punchline style in American Dad and King of the Hill either.  It's all encompassing jokes in those shows.

I should watch an episode, compile all the cutaway gags, and then determine which percentage are pop culture-related.

Is saying something is right wing garbage your way of calling something you don't like? I watch South Park and while some times it supports the right wing position, plenty of times it goes against the right as well,like here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Smurfs)

Danny, logic and facts don't apply to BRTD.

Just because they occasionally poke fun at conservatives does not change the fact that they are frequent left-wing bashers and one of the creators has even said "I dislike conservatives, but I really hate liberals." They are extreme liberal haters no different than Beck even if they mocked him. It's like calling The Daily Show a balanced show because it occasionally pokes fun at liberals.

So I suppose that you know how often they bash one or the other based on the fact that you don't watch the show because you hate it so much?

Mike Judge is just as if not more conservative than the South Park guys and makes fun of liberals much more often and with much less humor, and yet you like him. Sup with that bro?

BRTD has a special pass given to him from a Christian stripper that absolves him of all hypocrisy.

How is he conservative? King of the Hill had mostly conservative characters, but it made fun of libertarian-type militia fanatics (Dale), and people against sex ed, fundies, homophobes and global warming deniers. Beavis and Butthead may have poked fun at hippie types with Van Driessen, but he was far more down to earth, logical and likable than people like Buzzcut who was a conservative military type. And it'd be kind of ridiculous to consider Beavis and Butthead any type of political show at all...his movies are obviously not too political.

The main difference though is that Mike Judge's works are funny. The South Park guys' are not.

That's just your opinion. Why is it you can't accept that other people find it funny and move on like a normal human being?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goode_Family

Making fun of overtly-PC hippie types does not make one a conservative. Plenty of liberals are annoyed by people like that.