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Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion => U.S. Presidential Election Results => Topic started by: A18 on November 28, 2004, 03:14:49 AM



Title: Most underrated president
Post by: A18 on November 28, 2004, 03:14:49 AM
Who's the most underrated president?


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: J-Mann on November 28, 2004, 03:51:07 AM
In recent history...George H.W. Bush.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Bono on November 28, 2004, 04:19:31 AM
Calvin Coolidge.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Beet on November 28, 2004, 04:46:05 AM
Jimmy Carter.

1. Provided incentives for Camp David accords, ending Arab-Israeli wars.

2. Ended wage and price controls.

3. Appointed Volcker as Fed chairman.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: dazzleman on November 28, 2004, 07:23:22 AM
Jimmy Carter.

1. Provided incentives for Camp David accords, ending Arab-Israeli wars.

2. Ended wage and price controls.

3. Appointed Volcker as Fed chairman.

Carter didn't end wage and price controls.  The last wage and price controls were lifted by President Nixon in 1974.  Carter did resist calls from some liberals like Ted Kennedy to reimpose them, but even during the very high inflation of the late 1970s, there was little sentiment in favor of them given their miserable failure earlier in the decade.

The Camp David accords were a major accomplishment for Carter, but they didn't end Arab-Israeli wars.

Looking at the whole record, I think Carter is eminently deserving of his low ranking among presidents.

I think the most underrated president in recent history is Gerald Ford.  One thing many people don't realize is that the Helsinki Accords on European Security, for which Ford was severely criticized by conservatives, turned out to be the seed that contained the destruction of the Soviet empire in Europe.

Ford was only president for 2-1/2 years, but he made long strides toward normalizing conditions in a badly shaken country, moves which paid large dividends later.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: ?????????? on November 28, 2004, 11:28:37 AM
James Buchanan.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: George W. Bush on November 28, 2004, 12:32:55 PM
George W. Bush


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Erc on November 28, 2004, 01:59:11 PM
Grover Cleveland.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: PBrunsel on November 28, 2004, 02:19:49 PM
Herbert Hoover (who knew I would say that?)


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 28, 2004, 02:30:51 PM
Gerald Ford


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: PBrunsel on November 28, 2004, 02:31:28 PM

Of couse you NewFederalist, you get a kick out of my fondness for the Presidency of Herbert Hoover.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: A18 on November 28, 2004, 02:41:28 PM
In recent history...George H.W. Bush.

Did he have any accomplishments?


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: dca5347 on November 28, 2004, 09:43:42 PM
John Adams


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Sam Spade on November 28, 2004, 10:38:49 PM
Reps:  Calvin Coolidge
Dems:  Grover Cleveland


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Bugs on November 29, 2004, 03:33:06 PM
First about Carter.  The middle-east accords were indeed an accomplishment, but they came about because Sadat was ready.  Ford, Nixon, Reagan, or even Mondale could have pulled it off.

I agree with Adams, but here I would choose Chester Arthur.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: PBrunsel on November 29, 2004, 04:01:34 PM
William McKinley (thanks for making us an industrial superpower and making the U.S. a world power.)


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: J-Mann on November 29, 2004, 08:50:22 PM

I can't tell if you're ignorant or being sarcastic...


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: A18 on November 29, 2004, 09:23:32 PM
I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: J-Mann on November 29, 2004, 09:28:27 PM
I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.

Right off the top of my head, I think Bush, Sr.'s foreign policy and relations with foreign governments was immensely successful.  He probably could have gone further in Iraq, but would have faced the same problems that we are seeing now.  He was very well-respected among world leaders.  I credit him with the success of NAFTA, though Clinton was in office when it was signed.  He also presided over what could have been a very rocky time in international relations with the fall of the USSR and transitions of eastern European governments.  I think Bush Sr. was a fairly good president, but he did have a hard time connecting with people.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: True Democrat on November 29, 2004, 09:30:04 PM

I fully agree.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: JohnG on November 29, 2004, 10:52:32 PM
James K. Polk


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Nym90 on November 30, 2004, 12:09:11 AM
Lyndon Johnson.

Flame away. :-)


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Bono on November 30, 2004, 02:55:13 AM
I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.

Right off the top of my head, I think Bush, Sr.'s foreign policy and relations with foreign governments was immensely successful.  He probably could have gone further in Iraq, but would have faced the same problems that we are seeing now.  He was very well-respected among world leaders.  I credit him with the success of NAFTA, though Clinton was in office when it was signed.  He also presided over what could have been a very rocky time in international relations with the fall of the USSR and transitions of eastern European governments.  I think Bush Sr. was a fairly good president, but he did have a hard time connecting with people.

Since when is NAFTA something anyone should be proud of?


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: J-Mann on November 30, 2004, 04:03:24 AM
I'm ignorant. I'd seriously like to know what he accomplished.

Right off the top of my head, I think Bush, Sr.'s foreign policy and relations with foreign governments was immensely successful.  He probably could have gone further in Iraq, but would have faced the same problems that we are seeing now.  He was very well-respected among world leaders.  I credit him with the success of NAFTA, though Clinton was in office when it was signed.  He also presided over what could have been a very rocky time in international relations with the fall of the USSR and transitions of eastern European governments.  I think Bush Sr. was a fairly good president, but he did have a hard time connecting with people.

Since when is NAFTA something anyone should be proud of?

I happen to like NAFTA...(GASP!) Someone thinks differently than you!!!


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Hitchabrut on December 07, 2004, 01:03:31 PM
Polk, Coolidge, Truman, Nixon, GWB


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Yu748Girl83 on May 23, 2023, 10:46:26 AM
Lyndon B Johnson, kinda.


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Republican Party Stalwart on May 23, 2023, 08:20:40 PM
William McKinley (thanks for making us an industrial superpower and making the U.S. a world power.)


Title: Re: Most underrated president
Post by: Republican Party Stalwart on May 23, 2023, 08:23:24 PM

Truman is honestly a very underrated historical figure in general, in a multitude of ways. It's impossible to not be intrigued and amused by all of the peculiar aspects of his political views, career, personality, attitude, background, and life in general. The more I read about the man, the more memorable of a character he becomes in my mind.