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Title: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 07, 2011, 09:35:30 pm

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Note, the province who's name is hidden by the order box is NAF, though, I am a very accepting GM. So long as it's clear what you mean, I will accept the order. If you were to, for example, refer to this area as Algeria, I'll accept the order. If however you called it Algania, I may not, as it could be confused with Albania, etc.

 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=3950) TEDDY - GAME MASTER
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=4922) YELNOC - AUSTRIA
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=205) LEWIS- ITALY
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=5222) BELGIAN - TURKEY
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=124) BULLMOOSE - FRANCE
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=71) GUSTAF - RUSSIA
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1036) JAS - ENGLAND
 (click to PM) (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=2270) BEN - GERMANY

I will be keeping this player list up to date. You only need to thus follow this post to know who you are playing, and don't need to go hunting for PM's

CLICK FOR BASIC MAP
http://www.ridingbyriding.ca/basemap.png

MOVES ARE DUE SATURDAY NIGHT AT 11:59 PM IN NEW YORK CITY.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 07, 2011, 09:50:46 pm
If someone could sticky this thread and replace PiT's thread please!


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 08, 2011, 08:54:04 pm
Note that I've edited the map. And when I say edit the map, I don't mean that I've edited the image. I actually edited the map data in realpolitik. It's not that hard, the program is designed to be customisable.

Nametags and Units should no longer be hidden, or, hide centre dots.

I've also hosted the map on my website so that anyone with difficulty accessing photobucket wont have a problem.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on May 08, 2011, 10:16:51 pm
Probably a good idea, since I've already forgotten, to state when the moves are due...when are they due?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 08, 2011, 10:35:52 pm
Sat night, 11:59pm in new york city.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 08, 2011, 11:35:52 pm
Order Example Syntax, using the most common opening move in the game.

A Con-Bul
CON BUL
Army Constantinople to Bulgaria
A moves Constantinople to Bulgaria
Con Moves Bulgaria
Army Con-->Bul


I use A CON-BUL personally, but any of the above is acceptable.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Gustaf on May 09, 2011, 12:51:44 pm
Order Example Syntax, using the most common opening move in the game.

A Con-Bul
CON BUL
Army Constantinople to Bulgaria
A moves Constantinople to Bulgaria
Con Moves Bulgaria
Army Con-->Bul


I use A CON-BUL personally, but any of the above is acceptable.

I usually go with "Army Constantinople MOVES Bulgaria"

I hope that's fine. :P


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on May 09, 2011, 12:53:39 pm
Convoys are acceptable right? (Probably the duh moment of the day)


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Gustaf on May 09, 2011, 01:11:04 pm
Convoys are acceptable right? (Probably the duh moment of the day)

Probably. ;)

I mean, in what way or universe would they not be acceptable?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on May 09, 2011, 01:12:33 pm
Convoys are acceptable right? (Probably the duh moment of the day)

Probably. ;)

I mean, in what way or universe would they not be acceptable?

Really tired/out of it today.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Insula Dei on May 09, 2011, 01:31:57 pm
Now we're asking obvious questions, how do I write a support-command?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 09, 2011, 06:30:02 pm
"s" or "Supports"

F Bla S A Con-Bul
Army Greece Supports Constantinople to Bulgaria

Convoy orders must include the full path.

Fleet Aeg Convoys Army Con-Gre
Army Con-Aeg-Gre


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on May 10, 2011, 03:28:08 am
So, "Army Smyrna-Greece (convoyed)" is not acceptable? Or only acceptable if it's theoretically impossible to convoy any other way?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 10, 2011, 03:40:56 am
As I said I will accept any set of orders that I can understand, but you really should be putting in the full path.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 12, 2011, 02:33:34 am
Pre-orders are good. I'll generally hope that I get them from all players before I leave work on Thursday mornings (2 hours from now)

I've sent out PM's to those that I don't have orders from yet to subtly remind them of the deadline.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Јas on May 14, 2011, 04:43:41 am
FYI, I am liable to find myself with no/intermittant net access for the next 10 days or so. Hopefully I'll be able to check in evry couple of days and put in orders, etc.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 14, 2011, 04:49:36 am
There is still one player I don't have orders from and the deadline is under 24 hours away. If no orders are received, should we NMR?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Yelnoc on May 14, 2011, 10:37:46 am
There is still one player I don't have orders from and the deadline is under 24 hours away. If no orders are received, should we NMR?
Sorry Teddy, I forgot.  Here they are.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 14, 2011, 05:25:28 pm
I now have all 7 sets of orders.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 14, 2011, 11:58:09 pm
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I've included "GM's Comments on Popularity" since it's taboo for me to comment on strategy, I thought I could at least comment on how often I've seen a set of moves happen

Turkey - Crimean Crusher
I've only been witness to a few games where this has been tried, one of them while I was Turkey, and never one where the move to BLA has worked.

Russia - Ukraine System, Austrian Attack Variant
Not rare but not common either. I've used this myself in the past.

Italy - Tyrolia Attack
I've seen this opening quite often. I've used this myself in the past.

Germany - Anschluss, Munich Variant
I've never seen this exact move before, though I've seen the armies move this way and F to HOL. I've never used this exact move, but I have sent MUN to TYL before.

France - Atlantic Opening, Burgundy Variant
Fairly common, I've used it myself in the past.

England - Northern Opening, Churchill Variant
This is the most common opening I've witnessed for England, I've used this myself in the past.

Austrian - Roadhog
This is a fairly standard opening. I've used it myself in the past.


ORDER TEXT FROM REALPOLITIK


Austria:
A Budapest - Rumania
F Trieste HOLD
A Vienna - Galicia

England:
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Edinburgh
F London - North Sea

France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles - Spain
A Paris - Burgundy

Germany:
A Berlin - Munich
F Kiel - Denmark
A Munich - Tyrolia

Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Venice
A Venice - Tyrolia

Russia:
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Sevastopol - Rumania
F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
A Warsaw - Galicia

Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Armenia




Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on May 15, 2011, 12:25:36 am
     Commanding opening for Turkey. I've never actually seen Turkey mount an early offensive against Russia. I could actually editorialize on all of the openings, but I think the players would benefit from working out the consequences of this turn on their own. ;)


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 15, 2011, 03:09:47 am
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/humour/coast_moscow.htm I've always enjoyed this article.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 15, 2011, 03:25:18 am
More good reads:

http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/humour/dippy_double_talk.htm



http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/strategy/articles/by_a_whisker.htm
followed by it's sister article
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/humour/visit_to_the_asylum.htm


Something I've always wanted to try:
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/postal/certain_way.htm



Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on May 15, 2011, 04:12:54 am

Something I've always wanted to try:
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/postal/certain_way.htm

Yeah, that's how I won the last game! :D


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Yelnoc on May 15, 2011, 10:49:26 am
It would appear that I am screwed. 

:/


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on May 17, 2011, 01:45:41 pm
It would appear that I am screwed. 

:/

     It's not a great opening season for you, but distinctly playable. Definitely better than what Austria usually sees.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 19, 2011, 03:03:41 am
Reminder: please get prelims in


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 19, 2011, 04:40:56 pm
Reminder: the deadline is 6 hours after the rapture, at 11:59pm saturday night, in new york city.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 20, 2011, 03:03:19 pm
I do not like "calling out" people, but Lewis is listed as being
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Last Active:   May 15, 2011, 03:45:16 pm
And I do not have orders from him yet.

Thoughts on how we should proceed?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Yelnoc on May 20, 2011, 04:18:35 pm
Wait until the deadline and then, if no orders, proceed as I suggest in the House Rules thread.

And yes, I will have my orders in before the deadline.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 21, 2011, 07:04:21 pm
When checking the orders for validity, one appears to be invalid. I will give that player some time to remedy the situation.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 21, 2011, 07:22:34 pm
I now have 7 sets of valid orders.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 22, 2011, 12:42:42 am
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BUILDS:
FRANCE - 3
ENGLAND - 2
TURKEY - 2
GERMANY - 1
RUSSIA - 1
ITALY - 1

SC chart

F-03-06
R-04-05
I-03-04
G-03-04
A-03-03
T-03-05
E-03-05


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on May 22, 2011, 01:03:00 am
     Germany's orders mystify me.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Yelnoc on May 22, 2011, 08:57:15 am
It would appear that I am screwed. 

:/
Called it!


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 26, 2011, 12:53:06 pm
Oops, sorry, got distracted by another Internet game >.<

I'll be spending the weekend catching up all over the rest of the Internet.

Build phases will normally not be anywhere near this long. However due to my error here this phase will be standard length.

If anyone has any concerns, even if you've PMed me about them in the past few days, PM me again. I wont be upset with double PM's, as it'll help me remember what I need to do to "catch up"


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on May 28, 2011, 11:07:53 pm
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Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 03, 2011, 10:39:47 pm
I like to shadow the game with my copy of jDip. I would be grateful if you would echo orders as well as post the maps.

For instance, there have been units that did not move. I like to know if they were ordered to hold, given an invalid order, or were left without any order. That gives me a sense of the thinking and strategy of the players. For cases with invalid orders it also offers a teaching moment for players and spectators alike.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 03, 2011, 10:45:39 pm
Invalid orders / NMRs, will be specified by me. Otherwise presume it is a hold.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 03, 2011, 10:52:56 pm
Convoy orders must include the full path.

Fleet Aeg Convoys Army Con-Gre
Army Con-Aeg-Gre

This is actually contrary to the official rules. The rules explicitly allow for ambiguous convoy paths.

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An Army convoyed using alternate convoy orders reaches its destination as long as at least one convoy route remains open. Orders can be written to permit more than one route for convoying an Army from its origin to its destination. The Army is not prevented from moving unless all routes in the order are disrupted. (p. 15)


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 04, 2011, 09:58:32 pm
official rules also allow for house rules :P


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 05, 2011, 05:19:46 am
processing of this move will be slightly delayed. apologies.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 09, 2011, 12:14:15 am
processing of this move will be slightly delayed. apologies.

When will moves be due?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Insula Dei on June 11, 2011, 11:16:49 am
Are we still going?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on June 11, 2011, 11:23:03 am
Doesn't seem like it to me.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 11, 2011, 10:53:58 pm
I hope it's not me. ;) No sooner do I get back to the forum and start to shadow this, and there's a delay. :P


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 12, 2011, 07:05:47 pm
I apologize profusely about missing this, I totally forgot about this. You guys should PM me to remind me! I will process the orders as soon as I get to work.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 12, 2011, 08:49:31 pm
Since I'm now much busier than I was before, someone if they want to can take over the GMing - if no one wants to I could always continue to do so myself.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Bacon King on June 14, 2011, 04:19:59 am
Teddy, did you abandon this or what? I like following Diplo games :(


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 14, 2011, 09:05:52 am
I have the time this summer and fall to GM if Teddy is too busy. I'll run it as I did when I took over for Smid on his game.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 15, 2011, 12:19:14 am
If there is no opposition I'll willingly hand over the GMship. I've been far to busy as of late.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 16, 2011, 10:15:37 pm
If there is no opposition I'll willingly hand over the GMship. I've been far to busy as of late.

I have heard no opposition, and my offer still stands. I presume that orders had been sent in already, so if all would copy those orders to me, I'll post the turn and continue the game. If I don't hear from some of the players I'll reach out to get the game going again.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Insula Dei on June 17, 2011, 12:44:22 pm
If there is no opposition I'll willingly hand over the GMship. I've been far to busy as of late.

I have heard no opposition, and my offer still stands. I presume that orders had been sent in already, so if all would copy those orders to me, I'll post the turn and continue the game. If I don't hear from some of the players I'll reach out to get the game going again.

I endorse this proposal :)


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 19, 2011, 10:33:15 am
Is this settled?  Are we sending moves to Muon now...is he officially the GM?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 20, 2011, 12:15:35 am
Is this settled?  Are we sending moves to Muon now...is he officially the GM?

I assume so. I have received four sets so far.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 20, 2011, 12:26:05 am
Is this settled?  Are we sending moves to Muon now...is he officially the GM?

I assume so. I have received four sets so far.

Ok...you have mai...PM.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Gustaf on June 20, 2011, 05:54:58 am
Yeah, I've implicitly endorsed this by sending my orders to Muon. :P


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 20, 2011, 03:25:09 pm
Both Austria and Germany have notified me that time constraints will keep them from playing. If there are two players that want to take over those countries we can continue from here. Also, since the game is only into the first year, and I have volunteered, I would entertain a fresh start. Please post with your thoughts.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on June 20, 2011, 03:29:01 pm
If I could take those two over, it would make my task far easier.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 20, 2011, 11:46:57 pm
If I could take those two over, it would make my task far easier.

     Richard Sharp would be proud.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on June 21, 2011, 07:56:34 am
sorry again for being so away.

I will edit the lead post as the GM wishes if he wishes when he wishes.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Bacon King on June 22, 2011, 09:17:25 am
I am a diplo noob but I can take over for somebody.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on June 22, 2011, 11:19:56 pm
I am a diplo noob but I can take over for somebody.

If there is one more volunteer, I'll be happy to get things going.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Insula Dei on June 28, 2011, 05:44:27 am
Come on people, one more volunteer and we're there.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Јas on July 04, 2011, 03:44:39 am
In order to resume play, and noting the lack of volunteers, I propose giving Bacon King command of both Germany and Austria.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on July 04, 2011, 12:32:46 pm
Let's just bury it.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: bullmoose88 on July 04, 2011, 06:10:48 pm

Agree.


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: muon2 on July 04, 2011, 07:21:21 pm
That seems like the best course. Is there interest in a fresh start instead?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Bacon King on July 05, 2011, 12:22:52 am
I'd love to try to play a game :)


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Insula Dei on August 04, 2011, 03:46:25 pm
bump?


Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on August 05, 2011, 12:46:59 am
I'm posing some things here as I'm deleting a few threads


I'm curious if someone would like to play a variant of diplomacy. There a few in mind I think would work.








GUNBOAT - In this variant, diplomacy is not allowed. This creates a tactical game, and, requires you to communicate using your moves. In order for this variant to work, your identity would have to be secret, and, since no gabbing is allowed, the game moves much quicker, with 2 deadlines a week. This is a "press variant" and can be played on any map.








1898 - This map uses the standard map, but, you start with only one unit. There are two subvariants. Standard means that your 3 national dots (your national centres) are the only ones you can build on, regarldess of which dots you take over prior to the year 1900. The second variant says that whatever dots you take over by the year 1900 (IE the first two years) become your national dots, and you can thus build at them and only them.
http://www.dipwiki.com/images/0/04/1898.gif
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Aberration - This map is, in short, a standard map, with some changes. The nations are Eire (Ireland), Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, Byzantium (Greece), Burgundy, Sicily, and Israel. All other standard rules apply.
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Ancient (Mediterranean) - This is a 5 player variant (good for faster games, also good for gunboat) in the ancient world. Players are Rome, Carthage, Greece, Egypt, and Syria. I've played this variant, and I consider it one of my favs.
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Hundred - 3 player variant, also good for fast and gunboat games. Also recommended. I've played this before, when you are up against equals, a game of Hundred can take a long, long time. The game I played saw the alliances shift every single year. Eventually we all settled on a draw that I proposed :P
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Imperium - This has always been a curiosity of mine. I've never actually seen it played. There are no home dots, so you can build from any of your dots that are free. There are also special rules about the river etc. I can go into more detail if anyone is interested in playing this variant.
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Modern - Another recommended variant. Considering it needs more players, I doubt it'd get off the ground.
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Youngstown - Identical explanation to "Modern"
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Versailles - Now THIS has to be my single most fav variant. Not only does a player get a "major" nation, but also a randomly assigned "minor" nation as well. We could spice things up if we invite players to also play the minor nations!
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Title: Re: Teddy's Diplomacy Thread 01
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on August 05, 2011, 12:48:43 am
Map Variant - Playing on a different map
---4 VOTES---

Press Variant - Gunboat for example
---5 VOTES---

Informational Variant - Crystal Ball for example, or "fog of war" diplomacy etc.
---4 VOTES---

Unit Variant - Addition of airplanes, bombs, etc.
---2 VOTES---

Changing Map Variant - example: http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/seismic.htm
---3 VOTES---

Economic Variant - Nations are given "points" to spend on various things (IE in combo with a unit variant)
---2 VOTES---

Starting Variant - Changes in the starting position of nations (IE 1898)
---3 VOTES---

Other kind of Variant - if you have an idea, list it below.
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