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Title: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 08, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Tough call, right?


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Eraserhead on June 08, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Palin maybe? They're basically the same person so it's hard to say.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: courts on June 08, 2011, 09:56:18 PM
Bachmann. She seems somewhat sapient.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: King on June 08, 2011, 09:58:18 PM
Bachmann without question.  60% of Americans already hate Palin and it would only go down hill from there.  While Bachmann is not much better, she has a much smoother starting point so there's an opportunity for GOP to cover up more of her flaws.

Plus, for as bad as Bachmann is, she at least is competent at her elected position and didn't bail out of office to become a celebrity.   Likely to say repulsive things, but less likely to shoot herself in the foot with an ignorant understanding of how Washington works.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: HAnnA MArin County on June 08, 2011, 11:46:41 PM
Bachmann without question.  60% of Americans already hate Palin and it would only go down hill from there.  While Bachmann is not much better, she has a much smoother starting point so there's an opportunity for GOP to cover up more of her flaws.

Plus, for as bad as Bachmann is, she at least is competent at her elected position and didn't bail out of office to become a celebrity.   Likely to say repulsive things, but less likely to shoot herself in the foot with an ignorant understanding of how Washington works.

This.

Palin has better name recognition but is already a polarizing, divisive figure with high negatives. Like previously mentioned, they're both basically the same person with the same crazy ideas, annoying accents, misunderstanding of American history/civics yet want to lecture everyone else about the Constitution and label others as "anti-American" (lol) and "folksy" good looks (and hot, if you're a straight man), but in her defense, Bachmann hasn't quit her job ..and Saturday Night Live/Kristin Whig hasn't destroyed her in the same sense that Tina Fey has to Palin.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 08, 2011, 11:54:43 PM
this poll is sexist and offensive.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 08, 2011, 11:55:47 PM
I figured Bachmann as well because people's opinions of Palin are already cemented. Not that Bachmann would be much better but I think her handlers would have more control over her and can avoid some of the serious missteps Palin has made over the past three years.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Lambsbread on June 09, 2011, 09:47:37 AM
Bachmann. She hasn't made a complete fool of herself on National TV just yet.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on June 09, 2011, 10:23:24 AM
Palin.  She's hotter and has a softer touch.

Take that wherever you like.

By the way, both lose.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: exopolitician on June 09, 2011, 10:26:56 AM
Bachmann. She hasn't made a complete fool of herself on National TV just yet.

Bachmann being Bachmann is enough.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Smash255 on June 09, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
Depends on how long it takes Bachmann to start calling for anti-American investigations for those who disagree with her again.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on June 09, 2011, 07:18:10 PM
I think Michelle Bachmann, but it's a tough call.

By the way, several historical scholars from prestigious universities have investigated Sarah Palin's Paul Revere "mishap" and found she was actually correct and that what has been passed down through the generations is not.  Of course, the media and the left will never, ever give any credit to Sarah Palin.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: King on June 09, 2011, 11:12:27 PM
I think Michelle Bachmann, but it's a tough call.

By the way, several historical scholars from prestigious universities have investigated Sarah Palin's Paul Revere "mishap" and found she was actually correct and that what has been passed down through the generations is not.  Of course, the media and the left will never, ever give any credit to Sarah Palin.

Palin didn't actually know this though.  She just guessed the answer.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: sentinel on June 10, 2011, 10:23:29 AM
this poll is sexist and offensive.

Its not our fault the two women running for the GOP nomination are more insane than your average bear.

Now if we had Kay Bailey Hutchinson or Lisa Murkowski --they'd be credible candidates.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: scootman on June 11, 2011, 03:40:36 AM
Neither wins, but Palin. More charisma, been through a national campaign, executive experience. Can you name one important bill Bachmann has to her name?


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 11, 2011, 04:15:26 AM
Bachmann without question.  60% of Americans already hate Palin and it would only go down hill from there.  While Bachmann is not much better, she has a much smoother starting point so there's an opportunity for GOP to cover up more of her flaws.

Plus, for as bad as Bachmann is, she at least is competent at her elected position and didn't bail out of office to become a celebrity.   Likely to say repulsive things, but less likely to shoot herself in the foot with an ignorant understanding of how Washington works.

This.

Palin has better name recognition but is already a polarizing, divisive figure with high negatives. Like previously mentioned, they're both basically the same person with the same crazy ideas, annoying accents, misunderstanding of American history/civics yet want to lecture everyone else about the Constitution and label others as "anti-American" (lol) and "folksy" good looks (and hot, if you're a straight man), but in her defense, Bachmann hasn't quit her job ..and Saturday Night Live/Kristin Whig hasn't destroyed her in the same sense that Tina Fey has to Palin.

     Obama's campaign staff is quite competent though, & the odds of Bachmann not being torn apart are close to 0%, no matter how hard the GOP works to hide her problems. Bachmann may not be damaged goods yet, but it's at best an academic distinction.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: courts on June 11, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
Obama's campaign staff is quite competent though, & the odds of Bachmann not being torn apart are close to 0%, no matter how hard the GOP works to hide her problems. Bachmann may not be damaged goods yet, but it's at best an academic distinction.

Bachmann didn't go through 5 colleges or try to make up entire words to mask her simian understanding of the english language. Or quit midway through her term. I'd say that's a pretty significant difference.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 15, 2011, 10:20:28 AM
I think we got our answer the other night. Now we shouldn't overestimate her but she might not be as bad as we thought.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on June 15, 2011, 12:01:53 PM
I think we got our answer the other night. Now we shouldn't overestimate her but she might not be as bad as we thought.

It rained for 6 days, and then it was sunny yesterday.

Therefore, it will never rain again.

She's as bad as we thought, until proven otherwise.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: pbrower2a on June 15, 2011, 12:53:26 PM
this poll is sexist and offensive.

Just add Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) -- you know, in the case that the President must resign for reasons of health, as in the face of an impending heart attack  -- and it won't be sexist.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: NVGonzalez on June 15, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
I think we got our answer the other night. Now we shouldn't overestimate her but she might not be as bad as we thought.

It rained for 6 days, and then it was sunny yesterday.

Therefore, it will never rain again.

She's as bad as we thought, until proven otherwise.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on June 15, 2011, 01:41:55 PM
Depends on how long it takes Bachmann to start calling for anti-American investigations for those who disagree with her again.

yeah, that wasnt her finest moment...though, even when Bachmann is caught saying something unAmerican like this, she is a lot slicker than Palin and is able to at least somewhat dodge the bullets by turning the argument around on her accuser, like she did with Chris Matthews on election night....Palin, on the other hand, looks totally like a deer in the headlights.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on June 15, 2011, 02:05:18 PM
Just add Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) -- you know, in the case that the President must resign for reasons of health, as in the face of an impending heart attack  -- and it won't be sexist.

I'd definitely vote against that nasty little troll.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: The Mikado on June 15, 2011, 06:22:46 PM
Bachmann would do better.  Not enough better, but she's a substantially better candidate than Palin.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 15, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
Obama's campaign staff is quite competent though, & the odds of Bachmann not being torn apart are close to 0%, no matter how hard the GOP works to hide her problems. Bachmann may not be damaged goods yet, but it's at best an academic distinction.

Bachmann didn't go through 5 colleges or try to make up entire words to mask her simian understanding of the english language. Or quit midway through her term. I'd say that's a pretty significant difference.

     Yeah, Bachmann could probably never be damaged as badly as Palin is now. With that said, I still see a serious general election campaign as almost certainly doing her in anyway. Palin is well beyond the point of no return & Bachmann doesn't have to fall nearly as far as her to still be finished.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 15, 2011, 08:45:25 PM
Obama v Bachmann on election eve...

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383-51-104

Obama v Palin on election eve..

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411-45-82


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Badger on June 16, 2011, 08:04:12 AM
Just add Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) -- you know, in the case that the President must resign for reasons of health, as in the face of an impending heart attack  -- and it won't be sexist.

I'd definitely vote against that nasty little troll.

Yes, nasty people certainly suck, don't they?


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on June 16, 2011, 08:10:43 AM

Not for me.  Bachmann


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on June 16, 2011, 11:38:36 AM
Just add Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) -- you know, in the case that the President must resign for reasons of health, as in the face of an impending heart attack  -- and it won't be sexist.

I'd definitely vote against that nasty little troll.

Yes, nasty people certainly suck, don't they?

Yep, and Mikulski is the suck-est.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on June 16, 2011, 11:42:52 AM
Just add Barbara Mikulski (D, MD) -- you know, in the case that the President must resign for reasons of health, as in the face of an impending heart attack  -- and it won't be sexist.

I'd definitely vote against that nasty little troll.

Yes, nasty people certainly suck, don't they?

Yep, and Mikulski is the suck-est.

Okay, I'll bite, what did the squat Polish woman from Baltimore do to you?


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on June 16, 2011, 11:50:08 AM
Okay, I'll bite, what did the squat Polish woman from Baltimore do to you?

She was elected Senator.  Over and over and over.  She is indicative of the poison that has turned central Maryland into a sh**thole, with her combination of urban poor provincialism, lobotomized pro-labor positions, and support for bureaucracies wherever possible.

I spent the first 34 years of my thus far 34.5-year life in Maryland.  I'd gladly take a cuckoo New Mexico left-wing goofball over that dreary, foul little gremlin.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: Badger on June 17, 2011, 01:33:15 PM
Okay, I'll bite, what did the squat Polish woman from Baltimore do to you?

She was elected Senator by Marylanders.  Over and over and over by landslides.  She is indicative of the poison that has turned central Maryland into a sh**thole, with her combination of urban poor provincialism, lobotomized pro-labor positions, and support for bureaucracies wherever possible.

I spent the first 34 years of my thus far 34.5-year life in Maryland.  I'd gladly take a cuckoo New Mexico left-wing goofball over that dreary, foul little gremlin.


Fine tuned your statement.

Yes, I recall the famed "Turn central Maryland into a Sh*thole Mikluski Amendment". Tragic piece of legislation. Such a shame considering how well the region did under Reaganomics in the 80's and 2000's.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: TheGlobalizer on June 20, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
Such a shame considering how well the region did under Reaganomics in the 80's and 2000's.

The Maryland economy is incredibly dependent upon and distorted by the influence of a large state and Baltimore City's bureaucracies, and the nearby presence of the federal government and government contractors.  (And even the contractors mostly locate themselves on the other side of the Potomac.)

I don't deny that Mikulski is popular, but she's not good for MD, IMO.  I didn't like Sarbanes but at least he had some (microscopic) nuance.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 20, 2011, 12:06:34 PM
Bachmann. I think she has a much stronger record to work from, and isn't as polarizing. She's also hotter, which helps. ;)

Also, while I don't think either would beat Obama, I think Bachmann's the only one with a realistic chance. I think there is a scenario for a Bachmann Presidency if the economy sours and things look bad overseas. I can't see America electing Palin under almost any realistic circumstance.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: California8429 on June 20, 2011, 01:30:10 PM
Bachmann. She's a newer face, her support can expand outside of the tea party. She didn't quit her elected office. She can hold ground.

Palin and Bachmann really are not as close as everyone thinks they are just because they are younger female republican conservativce politicians with accents.


Title: Re: Bachmann or Palin: Who would do better in the 2012 General election?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 20, 2011, 11:21:55 PM
The main difference between the two I see is that Bachmann is more shrill and vicious while Palin just comes across as an idiot. For example I don't think any liberal is terrified of the thought of Palin becoming President, not that liberals are too worried about a Bachmann presidency either but to elaborate: When Palin says stupid things, most of her haters just facepalm or shake their heads and the fact that there are people who still support her just reassures the left that the other side is full of stupid people. Bachmann on the other hand terrifies people that there are plenty who like and vote for her. I mean people trash me for hating exurbs and judging places on their voting patterns, but once people realize that somewhere like Wright County elects someone like Bachmann it becomes a bit different. So I don't see what type of person would vote for Bachmann but not Palin as cemented as opinions are of Palin, it's not likely that people who hate Palin will be turned on to Bachmann once they know more about her. Maybe somewhere like the Chicago exurbs if she was running against someone other than Obama. On the other hand there are places where Palin's psuedo-folksiness might play well but Bachmann's shrill style won't, I'm thinking of MN-07 for example when Bachmann can't win any district in Minnesota besides her own, but Palin might be able to carry MN-07.

And I don't think Bachmann is really any smarter than Palin, she just displays her stupidity in a different way that masks it a bit more.