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Title: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 28, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
to the White House?

I might have to go with Al Gore but Ross Perot, Bob Dole, John McCain, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Stevenson and Thomas E Dewey are up there. Henry Clay but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Joe Republic on August 28, 2011, 06:39:41 PM
... but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.

Change that to "pre 21st century candidate" and I agree.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 28, 2011, 07:07:22 PM
Alton B. Parker


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on August 28, 2011, 08:49:48 PM
Henry Clay. Nuff said.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 28, 2011, 11:02:13 PM

 He's the only major party candidate that has never had a biography written about him.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 28, 2011, 11:31:43 PM

I said about how ignorant most are when it comes to politics and history. I willing to bet Robert Dole is more known by the general public then Henry Clay since Dole has appeared in commercials and tv shows.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 29, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
     Joe Republic is right, most people don't really have long-term memory of politics. The answer would probably be John McCain, maybe John Kerry or Al Gore. Definitely nobody before them.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: phk on August 29, 2011, 12:51:32 AM
John McCain.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on August 29, 2011, 01:08:53 AM

 He's the only major party candidate that has never had a biography written about him.

If I know about him, then it's not important if others do.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 29, 2011, 04:20:11 AM
Probably Al Gore.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: tpfkaw on August 29, 2011, 08:46:09 AM
If we amend it to "never won," then JFK.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Joe Republic on August 29, 2011, 08:46:47 AM
If we amend it to "never won," then JFK.

What?


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Franzl on August 29, 2011, 08:47:38 AM

Probably a 1960 election conspiracy. Would fit the poster.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 29, 2011, 10:33:08 AM
He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on August 29, 2011, 10:50:05 AM
He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

::)


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Napoleon on August 29, 2011, 10:51:21 AM
He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

You can't say 2004 was stolen.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: lowtech redneck on August 29, 2011, 11:18:45 AM
He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

You can't say 2004 was stolen.

You can't really say either was stolen....but there are people who think Ohio was stolen in 2004.

Al Gore or John McCain.

Historically, William Jennings Bryan is the first person that comes to mind....I admit I forgot all about Henry Clay.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 29, 2011, 11:51:21 AM
He believes that 1960 was stolen. So do I.

But George W Bush also stole his election, and he's probably better known than JFK.

You can't say 2004 was stolen.
Well, 2000 was stolen, but only hacks think 2004 was stolen.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: King on August 29, 2011, 12:12:34 PM
Even if you believe the conspiracy about Illinois and Texas in 1960, JFK won the popular vote by a larger margin than those two states flipped to Nixon and if they hadn't stolen the race, it would have been a travesty of the electoral process a la 2000.


The only other election besides 2000 that can truly be called stolen in US history without bias hackery is 1876.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 29, 2011, 12:21:21 PM
Even if you believe the conspiracy about Illinois and Texas in 1960, JFK won the popular vote by a larger margin than those two states flipped to Nixon and if they hadn't stolen the race, it would have been a travesty of the electoral process a la 2000.


The only other election besides 2000 that can truly be called stolen in US history without bias hackery is 1876.


And don't forget the stolen election of 1888. Combine that with 1876 and 2000, the only three elections to have the popular vote lose to the EC winner.


And can we not ruined my thread by talking about stolen elections. If you want to chat about that subject try starting a thread about it.

And good choice lowtech redneck. I hadn't thought about him but a very good choice right there for William Bryan.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 29, 2011, 02:02:51 PM
^ You forgot 1824.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 29, 2011, 02:22:48 PM
Yes I did. Thank you for that election too.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 29, 2011, 03:58:30 PM
Back on topic,, I would like to mention Walter Mondale as another name to the list.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on August 29, 2011, 04:40:19 PM
Dead people didnt rise from the grave to vote in 2000 like in 1960 ;)


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: King on August 29, 2011, 05:02:24 PM
1888 was not stolen.  Cleveland won the South virtually uncontested while Harrison won his states by smaller margins, thus Cleveland ended up with more PV.

1876 was a backroom political boss deal to let Hayes be President so the Democrats would get considerations in Congress and was a large part of the reason the electoral college in each state is now allocated directly on the popular vote winner instead of letting electors have a legitimate say in how they vote.

As for your thread topic, I would have to agree with above.  William Jennings Bryan was basically a celebrity in his day.  The only modern loser to hold true national name recognition at time of declaration of candidacy (and not be a VP like HHH, Gore or Mondale) was H. Ross Perot.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Paul Kemp on August 29, 2011, 05:33:26 PM
Dead people didnt rise from the grave to vote in 2000 like in 1960 ;)

Yea, instead they allowed less live people to vote.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 29, 2011, 05:36:33 PM
1888 was not stolen.  Cleveland won the South virtually uncontested while Harrison won his states by smaller margins, thus Cleveland ended up with more PV.

1876 was a backroom political boss deal to let Hayes be President so the Democrats would get considerations in Congress and was a large part of the reason the electoral college in each state is now allocated directly on the popular vote winner instead of letting electors have a legitimate say in how they vote.

As for your thread topic, I would have to agree with above.  William Jennings Bryan was basically a celebrity in his day.  The only modern loser to hold true national name recognition at time of declaration of candidacy (and not be a VP like HHH, Gore or Mondale) was H. Ross Perot.

What about Bob Dole and John McCain? I wouldn't count them out(though Dole was VP pick for Ford).


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on August 29, 2011, 06:24:14 PM
1888 was not stolen.  Cleveland won the South virtually uncontested while Harrison won his states by smaller margins, thus Cleveland ended up with more PV.
Harrison won his states because the Democrats political machines hated Cleveland so they rigged it for Harrison.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 29, 2011, 09:35:58 PM
1888 was not stolen.  Cleveland won the South virtually uncontested while Harrison won his states by smaller margins, thus Cleveland ended up with more PV.
Harrison won his states because the Democrats political machines hated Cleveland so they rigged it for Harrison.

Pretty much this and why the Dems didn't nominated a gold democrat back in 1896.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Torie on August 29, 2011, 10:22:14 PM
Henry Clay - who should have been President. :(


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Jack1475 on August 30, 2011, 12:20:11 AM
Both John Kerry and Al Gore were people who everyone thought would win, and they lost.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 30, 2011, 01:02:52 AM
How about John Quincy Adams. He didn't even receive the plurality of the electors.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on August 30, 2011, 04:15:07 PM
Both John Kerry and Al Gore were people who everyone thought would win, and they lost.


Both John Kerry and Al Gore were neil bitting Bush in the polls but still weren't really the favorites in the election. Actually, Bush was beating Gore in most polls back in 2000 according to phk. Gore and Kerry weren't strong candidates to run for president and this is coming from a independent democrat that dispise Bush and co.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: WillK on September 01, 2011, 11:16:53 AM
How about John Quincy Adams. He didn't even receive the plurality of the electors.
He still won the presidency, so he doesnt fit the subject. 


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: WillK on September 01, 2011, 11:21:26 AM
to the White House?

I might have to go with Al Gore but Ross Perot, Bob Dole, John McCain, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Stevenson and Thomas E Dewey are up there. Henry Clay but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.


I think Henry Clay is more well known to the average person than Stevenson or Dewey, and for younger people Goldwater and McGovern arent that well known.

I'd go with Dukakis, Kerry and Gore from recent years.  Burr and Clay from the past.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on September 01, 2011, 04:01:27 PM
to the White House?

I might have to go with Al Gore but Ross Perot, Bob Dole, John McCain, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Stevenson and Thomas E Dewey are up there. Henry Clay but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.


I think Henry Clay is more well known to the average person than Stevenson or Dewey, and for younger people Goldwater and McGovern arent that well known.

I'd go with Dukakis, Kerry and Gore from recent years.  Burr and Clay from the past.


AARON BURR! Sorry if I'm acting like Boss Tweed but I think the Burr-Hamliton feud was one of the greatest of all time. Why Kerry and Dukakis? Not to say they are unknown but not two of the most widely known presidential candidates of the past.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: phk on September 01, 2011, 06:26:47 PM
Lol@ people saying any name older than Al Gore.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Mr. Taft Republican on September 01, 2011, 07:00:05 PM
William Jennings Bryan.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: WillK on September 01, 2011, 10:02:06 PM
to the White House?

I might have to go with Al Gore but Ross Perot, Bob Dole, John McCain, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Stevenson and Thomas E Dewey are up there. Henry Clay but I'm not convinced any pre 20 century candidate would come to mind in most people since most people tend to be ignorant about subjects such as history and politics.


I think Henry Clay is more well known to the average person than Stevenson or Dewey, and for younger people Goldwater and McGovern arent that well known.

I'd go with Dukakis, Kerry and Gore from recent years.  Burr and Clay from the past.


AARON BURR! Sorry if I'm acting like Boss Tweed but I think the Burr-Hamliton feud was one of the greatest of all time. Why Kerry and Dukakis? Not to say they are unknown but not two of the most widely known presidential candidates of the past.

Kerry losing to Bush doesnt seem that long ago, so i figured it would still be remembered.
Dukakis... I don't know, maybe its just that i'm from Massachusetts.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Roemerista on September 01, 2011, 11:22:55 PM
What about good ol' George McClellan?


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: Username MechaRFK on September 02, 2011, 07:09:01 PM
What about good ol' George McClellan?


Probably not.


Title: Re: Who would you say are the most well known presidential loser to never make it
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on September 02, 2011, 07:52:16 PM
William Jennings Bryan (although he's only well known for the Scopes trial, and not his failed campaigns), Al Gore.

I considered including Henry Clay but he's not as well known.