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Title: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (law'd)
Post by: bgwah on September 09, 2011, 10:11:24 PM
By popular demand, this is getting a new thread. Old thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.0

Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.

Section 1: Administration

1. The NSSA shall be administered by a deliberative body called Superior Council.
2. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall be composed of 12 members, of which:    
    a) Four members shall be delegates of workers. They shall be democratically elected by every working or actively unemployed (see below) person. Labor Unions shall be responsible of organizing fair elections regularly.
    b) Four members shall be delegates of employers, designed by the organizations representing them.
    c) Four members shall be representatives of the Federal Government, designed by the Department of Internal Affairs.
3. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall elect a presiding officer, adopt an internal ruling, and decide the frequency and the duration of their sessions.
4. The NSSA shall be divided into five separate Administrations, called:    
    a) The Health Insurance Administration
    b) The Unemployment Insurance Administration
    c) The Parenthood Insurance Administration
    d) The Old Age Insurance Administration
    e) The Minor Insurances Administration
5. The institutions administering each of previously cited Administration shall be designed by the Superior Council of the NSSA through procedures specified by it.

Section 2: Budget

1. The NSSA shall have its proper budget, independent from the Federal budget.
2. The budget of the NSSA shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the Agency and the fulfillment of the tasks devolved to it through proper legislation.
3. The budget of the NSSA shall be managed by the Superior Council provided that its administration respects subsection 2. The Department of Internal Affairs is in charge of ensuring the respect of subsection 2.
4. Each of the five Administrations of the NSSA shall have its proper budget, which shall be a part of the global NSSA budget.
5. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall serve exclusively to fulfill the Administration's social task, by ensuring the compensation of persons as specified by legislation. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall be financed through the contributions of people eligible to the insurance program each Administration is responsible of.
6. The budget of the NSSA shall also comprise its Functioning funds. Said funds shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the NSSA, by paying for the necessary infrastructures and remunerating its employees. Said funds shall be managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
7. The Federal Government shall be responsible for providing the Functioning funds to the NSSA. The Department of Internal Affairs shall be able to decide the amount of those funds. The Functioning funds devolved to the NSSA shall be subject to a vote in the Senate.
8. If the budget of one or more of the five administrations of the NSSA present a surplus, such surplus shall be attributed to a Balanced Budget Fund managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
9. If the budget of one or more of the five administrations of the NSSA presents a deficit, the Balanced Budget Fund shall be used to fill such deficit.
10. If the Balanced Budget Fund isn't sufficient to ensure a balanced budget in every administration, the Federal Government shall lend to the NSSA the money necessary for that. In such case, the Balanced Budget Funds shall be used to reimburse such loan as soon as possible.

Section 3: Tasks

1. The role of the NSSA is to compensate the victims of the social risks specified by legislation, through mechanisms and for an amount specified by legislation.
2. The social risks recognized by Atlasia are: illness, unemployment, parenthood, old age, handicap, working incidents, death of the spouse or the parent, catastrophe and excessive debt.
3. Each of the five Administrations of the NSSA shall be responsible to cover one or more of previously specified social risks.

Section 4: Health Insurance

1. The Atlasian National Healthcare Act shall be maintained in its present form.

Section 5: Unemployment Insurance

1. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall be responsible to compensate the victims of unemployment, to help them recovering a job and to ensure that recovering a job is economically beneficial to them.
2. Any employee or actively unemployed person shall be mandatorily registered to the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
3. To be deemed as "actively unemployed", a person shall meet the following requirements:    
    a) Not exercising any remunerated job.
    b) Actively researching a job, as defined under subsection 9.
    c) Being enrolled in or scheduled to be enrolled in a vocational education course or program as laid out in subsection 11.
4. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall receive contributions, amounting to 6% of a registered employee's salary. Such contributions shall be paid monthly, by half by concerned employee, and by half by the business employing it.
5. Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to :
    a) 90% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of its job
    b) 80% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of its job
    c) 70% of the individual's previous salary during the third year following the loss of its job
    d) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the fourth year following the loss of its job
    e) 50% of the individual's previous salary after four years of unemployment
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $4000 per month.
7. Any actively unemployed individual registered to the Unemployment Insurance Administration who had never been previously employed shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration monthly revenue of $600 per month.
8. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall provide registered unemployed individual with reasonable employment proposals. To be considered as reasonable, those proposals shall meet following requirements:    
    a) A salary equivalent to at least 90% of the individual's current revenue provided by the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
    b) A time necessary to reach workplace from the individual's home inferior to 1 hour. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall be able to set inferior time limits on a local and case-by case basis.
    c) A domain corresponding to the individual's qualifications.
9. Any registered unemployed individual refusing three successive reasonable employment proposals shall be considered as inactive and deregistered from the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
10. Any registered individual previously unemployed recovering a job with net income inferior to 110% of the total benefits he received as an "actively unemployed" worker, as defined in Section 5, Clause 3, shall receive an allowance for the difference between his new employment's net income and 110% of total benefits last received as an "actively unemployed" worker.
11. For the purposes of this act, a vocational education course shall be defined as any course college or career training that seeks to improve one skills in their current occupation or train them for a new occupation entirely. Courses must be taught either online in connection with, or onsite of, an accredited university, community college, junior college, technical institute or other accredited institution offering continuing education courses.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: bgwah on September 09, 2011, 10:11:55 PM
Section 6: Elderly Insurance

1. The Elderly Insurance Administration shall be responsible to guarantee elderly people decent standards of living.
2. Any adult shall be mandatorily registered to the Elderly Insurance Administration.
3. The Elderly Insurance Administration shall receive contributions, amounting to the same levels as the income tax established by the Social Security Taxation Act of 2009.
4. Actively unemployed individuals registered to the Elderly Insurance Administration shall not pay any contribution.
5. Any household in which no individual is concerned by subsections 3 and 4 shall pay a contribution equivalent to one twentieth of its income tax. Said contributions shall be paid concurrently with the income tax.
6. Any person retiring at the age of 60 or older shall receive a monthly pension from the Elderly Insurance administration.
7. The full old age penion shall be based on marginal percentages of a person's average annual earnings in the last 10 working years prior to their retirement.
      a) A working year is defined as a year in which the person worked more than six months.

8. A person will receive of the following percentages of marginal income earned as described in subsection 7:
                a) 0-14,999        90%     
                b) 15,000-34,999   65%           
                C) 35,000-74,999   40%       
                d) 75,000-and up   0%   

9. The minimum monthy income of a full old age pension shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy income of a full old age pension shall be $3,000.
10. Any person retiring who is age 60 to 65 shall receive 75% of their full old age pension.  Any person retiring who is age 65 to 69 shall receive 85% of their full old age pension. Any person who is 70 or older, retiring shall receive their full old aged pension.
11. Age limits mentioned on section 11 shall be lower for individuals having exercised particularly hard jobs. The administration of the Elderly Insurance Administration shall be responsible to establish a list of particularly hard jobs and the retirement ages corresponding to each. Those limits shall not be lower than 55 years old for a 75% pension, and 60 years for a full pension.
12. All people 55 years and older will be handled under the previous social security laws. Those people under 55 will fall under the terms decribed in the above section 7.

Section 7: Minor Insurances

1. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to compensate the victims of social risks not covered by previously cited administrations. That is handicap, working incidents, death of the spouse or the parent, catastrophe and excessive debt.
2. Any household shall be mandatorily registered to the Minor Insurances Administration.
3.  Any household registered to the Minor Insurances Administration shall pay a contribution amounting to 2% of its salary and 5% of its other incomes.
4. Contributions shall be received by the Minor Insurances Administration, monthly for salaries an annually for other incomes.
5. Any adult officially deemed as handicapped by legitimate medical authorities who is not actively unemployed shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration a monthly allowance amounting to $600.
6. Any adult officially deemed as handicapped by legitimate medical authorities who is actively unemployed shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration a monthly allowance amounting to $300, which can be drawn concurrently with the allowance from the Unemployment Insurance Administration established in section 5.
7. Any household with one or more child officially deemed as handicapped by legitimate medical authorities shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration a monthly allowance amounting to $100 per child, which can be drawn concurrently with the allowance from the Parenthood Insurance Administration established in section 6.
8. Any individual suffering from invalidity, illness or any injury caused by his work shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration an indemnity proportional to the gravity of said injury. Said indemnity shall be comprised between $500 and $50,000. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to establish the appropriate levels of compensation relative to a specific injury.
9. Any household suffering from the death of an employed or actively unemployed member shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration an indemnity equivalent to the expected financial loss caused by said death. Said indemnity shall be comprised between $5000 and $1,000,000. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to estimate the amount of the financial loss caused by the death of the member of a household, based on their potential income and life expectancy.
10. Any household suffering from the consequence of a natural or man-caused catastrophe shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration an indemnity equivalent to the expected financial loss caused by said catastrophe. Said indemnity shall be comprised between $1000 and $1,000,000. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to estimate the amount of the financial loss caused by the catastrophe based on the direct and indirect damages caused by the catastrophe on the household's property.
11. Any household in a situation of excessive debt may ask for an exemption from the Minor Insurances Administration. The Minor Insurances Administration shall examine said household's financial situation and determine whether the amount of the debt might represent a threat for the household's economic security. In such case, the Minor Insurances Administration shall provide such household a loan without interest permitting them to reimburse their debt.

Section 8: Limitation of the tax burden

1. In order to avoid an excessive raise of government taxes, it is the will of the legislator that the passage of this bill doesn't result in an augmentation of the total amount of money collected by the government and its agencies of more than 10%.
2. This goal shall in priority be pursued through the repeal of any legislation regarding Social Security prior to this bill, thus nullifying the taxes established under this legislation.
3. One year after the passage of this bill, an independent commission shall be nominated by the Department of Internal Affairs, in order to calculate the amount of money collected by the government and its agencies in the previous year and what it would have been without the passage of this bill. The conclusions of said commission shall be published by the Game Moderator.
4. If the commission determines that the raise in the tax burden due to the passage of this bill has exceeded 10%, the Senate shall implement legislation in order to reduce its amount so that the raise in the tax burden doesn't exceed 10%.



Sponsor: Antonio V, North Carolina Yankee


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: bgwah on September 09, 2011, 10:18:40 PM
Hopefully I've correctly updated it. Please point out any errors if you see them.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 09, 2011, 10:38:47 PM
It appears to be so. Page 19 was fairly accurate. The only real change was Napoleon's amendment getting rid of the minor insurance thing which occured on page 21 or 22. Between the 20's and page 35 or 36 when I offered 44:41 and 45:3, nothing really changed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: Napoleon on September 10, 2011, 01:32:52 AM
Get rid of 5-5c-e


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 10, 2011, 03:17:00 PM
Oh yes, back to the UI stuff again. We spent a month going in circles on that, while the pension issue got resolved over a period of five days.


We need to find something that can garner support, instead of voting on different amendments only to see them all fail at the end like before.

c-e need to go for sure, but do we leave the percentages at 90 and 80 for a and b, or should they be dropped to say 75-80 and 60-65? 


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 10, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
Thank God. That last thread was a mess.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 11, 2011, 06:59:06 PM
I'm personally very tired of this bill taking taking up a slot, seemingly forever... We have a huge queue and I would like to move forward.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: Napoleon on September 12, 2011, 02:26:45 AM

As an amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 12, 2011, 02:27:25 AM

Awaiting the sponsor's response now :)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 12, 2011, 06:13:30 PM
I accept the amendment as friendly since we definately need fewer brackets in the UI section.


I might offer an amendment later to the two remaining brackets, to reduce the percentages slightly.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 12, 2011, 06:22:35 PM

The amendment has been accepted as friendly. Senators have 24 hours to object.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 13, 2011, 06:42:57 PM
We have dealt with most of the issues raised in Marokai's late July review of this bill. We reduced Section 4 to just preserve the current health care structure, we have made some changes to Section 5 (underlying amendment which is waiting declaration of passage), but some more might be necessary. The parenthood section was removed prior to MB's review. The Pension section was improved both to deal with costs and to include an implementation strategy.

The current items remaining, is dealing with the Health care underfundeness (we are waiting for a response from the GM on potential tax increases, their size etc etc), and any further changes to the UI section that are necessary.

If I were to propose another amendment to UI it would be by the end of tomorrow.


I can't give an exact date on the health care funding issue, b/c I don't know when I will get a response.  I hope it will be soon, because the sooner we get this bill done and gone, the better. :)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 13, 2011, 06:43:15 PM

The amendment has been accepted as friendly. Senators have 24 hours to object.

The amendment has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 14, 2011, 08:25:25 PM
I offer the following amendment to modify the current text

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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $4000 $2500 per month.

I am willing to negotiate somewhat in the up direction here, if necessary.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 14, 2011, 10:39:37 PM
I offer the following amendment to modify the current text

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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $4000 $2500 per month.

I am willing to negotiate somewhat in the up direction here, if necessary.

Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor's amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on September 15, 2011, 08:13:59 PM
Oh yes, back to the UI stuff again. We spent a month going in circles on that, while the pension issue got resolved over a period of five days.


We need to find something that can garner support, instead of voting on different amendments only to see them all fail at the end like before.

c-e need to go for sure, but do we leave the percentages at 90 and 80 for a and b, or should they be dropped to say 75-80 and 60-65? 
I hope you might consider these percentages that I proposed before I withdrew them and Antonio expressed some support for, even if you bump them up a little. https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.msg2992676#msg2992676 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=131056.msg2992676#msg2992676)
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So does this :

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a) 70% of the individual's previous salary during the first six months following the loss of a job
b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second six months following the loss of a job
c) 50% of the individual's previous salary during the third six months following the loss of a job
d) 40% of the individual's previous salary during the fourth six months following the loss of a job

...plus an universal $600 minimum work fine for everybody ?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 15, 2011, 10:33:05 PM
Not an amendment yet, but what do people think of these percentages? They are lower then the current text, somewhat higher then shua's and a fairly decent bump up both from RL and current Atlasian levels. 

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a) 75% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of its job
 b) 67% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of its job


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on September 15, 2011, 11:09:04 PM
I offer the following amendment to modify the current text

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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $4000 $2500 per month.

I am willing to negotiate somewhat in the up direction here, if necessary.

Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor's amendment.

Object.  I would be willing to go with $3000 as a compromise.  ;)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 15, 2011, 11:22:47 PM
I offer the following amendment to modify the current text

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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $4000 $2500 per month.

I am willing to negotiate somewhat in the up direction here, if necessary.

Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor's amendment.

I'm sorry, but you missed the 24 hour window by about 20 minutes. So the amendment has passed. You could theoretically offer a new amendment to undo it, I guess. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 16, 2011, 12:01:46 AM
$3,000 is within my range (actually I think it's the highest end of it :P)

I wouldn't object Fuzzy's amendment, thus.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on September 16, 2011, 11:10:48 AM
I offer the following amendment:


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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $3000 per month.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 17, 2011, 06:38:02 PM
So I take it the sponsor will accept Fuzzy's amendment as friendly, then? :)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 17, 2011, 07:24:43 PM
I reckon it has. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 18, 2011, 07:17:53 PM
Bgwah? That was a yes if you are confused. :P



After this, I will offer an amendment on the UI percentages.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 18, 2011, 09:59:11 PM
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Section 5, Clause 6 is amended as follows.
6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $3000 per month.
[/quote]

The above amendment has been accepted as friendly. Senators have 24 hours to object.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 19, 2011, 10:00:01 PM
The amendment has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 19, 2011, 10:04:42 PM
I offer the following amendment:

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Section 5 Clause 5 is amended as follows:
Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
 a) 75% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of his/her job.
 b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of his/her job.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 19, 2011, 10:27:41 PM
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Section 5 Clause 5 is amended as follows:
Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
 a) 75% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of his/her job.
 b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of his/her job.

Senators have 24 hours to object to this amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 20, 2011, 09:39:17 PM
Bgwah, did you include the contents of Amendment 44:41 into the text, when you created this thread?

The section listed in the amendment was misnumbered (7 instead of 6) but it was labeled as Elderly Insurance. The contents of the Elderly Insurance section reflect the pre-amendment text.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 20, 2011, 10:13:44 PM
I don't know... Do you have a link?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 20, 2011, 10:37:05 PM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=137659.0


Top of the list under the amendment tracker. Thank heavens I included the links, since the old thread is locked, getting them isn't possible anymore.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 21, 2011, 12:14:19 AM
I updated Section 6 in the original post(s). Does it look right now?

(the most recent amendment has also passed without objection)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 21, 2011, 09:57:18 PM
I offer the following amendment:
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Section 6, clause 9 is amended as follows:
9. The minimum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.



I modified the wording slightly because the previous version was awkward and confusing. I also took out "full old age" so that we don't have a situation where partially/early pensioners get more then those who are getting the full benefit, which was a possibility with the previous text.

If anyone has any other ideas to further improve the text here or in any other place, please speak up.

We finally got the information needed on the health care spending and possible tax alternatives and I expect to have an amendment by Friday, possibly even tomorrow dealing with the Health care section.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 21, 2011, 10:47:27 PM
I want it noted for the public I spent over two hours working on stupid tax stuff for Yankee. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 21, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
I LOST MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Synopsis:
"I want it noted for the public, that the tax ideas were actually shua's."


"Which reminds me, since you clearly have free time now, formulate a review on the two small items I suggested. They should be in one of those PMs I sent you." :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 21, 2011, 11:04:50 PM
I don't recall those. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 22, 2011, 11:34:25 PM
In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 23, 2011, 01:08:50 AM
Friendly amendment:

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Section 6, clause 9 is amended as follows:
9. The minimum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.

Senators have 24 hours to object.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 23, 2011, 08:48:18 PM
I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on September 23, 2011, 11:43:14 PM
I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 24, 2011, 12:13:30 AM
Friendly amendment:

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Section 6, clause 9 is amended as follows:
9. The minimum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthy payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.

Senators have 24 hours to object.

The amendment has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2011, 12:47:41 AM
I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

^^^

Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2011, 01:03:56 AM
I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.

Antonio deserves all the credit. He took on a massive undertaking even without the translation issues and kinks and so forth. No one person could be expected to do even half as much with perfection, and it showed that really Senators have to engage in peer review more, use the collective knowledge to fill in the gaps and correct the mistakes. This took far too long to occur on a mass basis. One person would take a crack at it till he was burned out and then it would languish. The other major obstacle was lack of a true evaluation by a GM to give us direction, which we finally got in July (Marokai Blue to rescue with that "30 minute" review :P).


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on September 24, 2011, 01:51:40 AM
I'm glad we're getting somewhere with this bill and I'd like to thank NCY for working so much on getting all the little things ironed out.

Antonio did a fine job with the bill... but I suspect if I were to write the same bill in German and submit it to a forum of native German speakers, there would be problems.

Oh if it's going swimmingly then I'm sure you guys don't need me anymore then.

Good luck everyone.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2011, 08:37:28 PM
I prefer not to jinx it, but we are about 90% finished on the HC funding issue.

^^^

Shua and I are planning a roll out of this tomorrow sometime.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=141263.0


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
I am offering two separate amendments here because while the actually changes might be controversial, the implementation of whatever change that is enventually used will almost undoubtedly conflict with Section 8.
I offer the following amendment as an addition to the current Section 8:

Quote

Section 8, Clause 5 shall be included as follows:
5. The terms of this section shall not be applicable to Section 4 of this act, titled "Health Insurance".



I offer the following Amendment to Section 4 to deal with the Underfunded issue in HC:
Quote
Section 4: Health Insurance
1. The present 1.45% medicare payroll tax levied on both employees and employers is renamed the Health Care Payroll Tax
2. The Health Care Payroll Tax rate applied to both employers and employees shall rise from 1.45% to 3% on January 1st, 2012, from 3% to 4.5% on April 1st, 2012, from 4.5% to 6.0% on July 1st, 2012, and finally from 6.0% to 6.5% on September 1st, 2012.
3. The rest of the Atlasian National Health Care Act shall remain unchanged.

Clauses 1 and 2, shall be inserted as the third and fourth bulleted items in clause (c.), of Section 2, of the Atlasian National Health Care Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Atlasian_National_Healthcare_Act#Section_2-_Finances)




Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 24, 2011, 09:30:22 PM
There is certainly a lot of great ideas here to be considered as part of a mixed package. This issue in and of itself could and probably should consitute a separate bill. I have gone ahead and offered shua and I's preposals as amendments this. If passed we would still have till January (and it will still only be 3% at that point) to deal with this in more balance fashion before any changes occur, and at the same time ensure that it does get done and relatively quickly.  With the lessons of how long this bill took to get done, I think having a looming deadline is a wise course, as that would put pressure to ensure that a more complete overhaul of the Health care system is accomplished and somewhat quickly.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 25, 2011, 11:42:52 PM
I am offering two separate amendments here because while the actually changes might be controversial, the implementation of whatever change that is enventually used will almost undoubtedly conflict with Section 8.
I offer the following amendment as an addition to the current Section 8:

Quote

Section 8, Clause 5 shall be included as follows:
5. The terms of this section shall not be applicable to Section 4 of this act, titled "Health Insurance".



I offer the following Amendment to Section 4 to deal with the Underfunded issue in HC:
Quote
Section 4: Health Insurance
1. The present 1.45% medicare payroll tax levied on both employees and employers is renamed the Health Care Payroll Tax
2. The Health Care Payroll Tax rate applied to both employers and employees shall rise from 1.45% to 3% on January 1st, 2012, from 3% to 4.5% on April 1st, 2012, from 4.5% to 6.0% on July 1st, 2012, and finally from 6.0% to 6.5% on September 1st, 2012.
3. The rest of the Atlasian National Health Care Act shall remain unchanged.

Clauses 1 and 2, shall be inserted as the third and fourth bulleted items in clause (c.), of Section 2, of the Atlasian National Health Care Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Atlasian_National_Healthcare_Act#Section_2-_Finances)




Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor's amendments.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 26, 2011, 11:55:36 PM
The amendments are passed.

Are we going to be ready for a final vote soon?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 27, 2011, 12:13:15 AM
Probably, Bgwah.


But I am kind of mad that no one commented on this:

In the previous thread, President Polnut preposed offering incentives to encourage people to retrain.

The current text allows people to remain on UI while doing that, but it doesn't really offer any incentives to do so. And it runs the risk of the person training for a nonexistant job.

This is an idea in the economics board I ran across:

4) Georgia Works. Georgians receiving unemployment benefits are matched with employers who are seeking employees and who agree to provide up to eight weeks of training. The employers do not pay the workers, who work no more than 24 hours a week; instead workers continue to receive their unemployment checks and a $240 stipend to help cover transportation, child care and other expenses.

We could include an incentive coupled with some form of employer matching to ensure they have a job waiting for them at the other end.


Probably be one more thing to address in a separate bill, later. Probably be more efficient to do it that way as well.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 28, 2011, 05:53:54 PM
I offer the following Amendment:

Quote
Section 1, Clause 4, subclause C is stricken


No sense creating an agency for a program we removed from the text (parenthood insurance).


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 28, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor's amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on September 29, 2011, 10:29:24 PM
The amendment has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2011, 10:34:50 PM
Damn it, there are more problems in Sections 1, 2, and 3. Both from leftovers of the parenthold Insurance thing, and the health care administration that won't be needed as we are keeping the current systems.



Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 29, 2011, 11:11:16 PM
We need to remove one more agency from Section 1, Clause 4. And then take every reference to "The five agencies" and instead say "the three agencies" in Sections 2 and 3. I can have an amendment by tomorrow sometime.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on September 30, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
I offer the following amendment to the text:

Quote
Section 1: Administration

1. The NSSA shall be administered by a deliberative body called Superior Council.
2. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall be composed of 12 members, of which:
a) Four members shall be delegates of workers. They shall be democratically elected by every working or actively unemployed (see below) person. Labor Unions shall be responsible of organizing fair elections regularly.
b) Four members shall be delegates of employers, designed by the organizations representing them.
c) Four members shall be representatives of the Federal Government, designed by the Department of Internal Affairs.
3. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall elect a presiding officer, adopt an internal ruling, and decide the frequency and the duration of their sessions.
4. The NSSA shall be divided into five three separate Administrations, called:
a) The Health Insurance Administration
b) The Unemployment Insurance Administration
c) The Old Age Insurance Administration
d) The Minor Insurances Administration
5. The institutions administering each of previously cited Administration shall be designed by the Superior Council of the NSSA through procedures specified by it.

Section 2: Budget

1. The NSSA shall have its proper budget, independent from the Federal budget.
2. The budget of the NSSA shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the Agency and the fulfillment of the tasks devolved to it through proper legislation.
3. The budget of the NSSA shall be managed by the Superior Council provided that its administration respects subsection 2. The Department of Internal Affairs is in charge of ensuring the respect of subsection 2.
4. Each of the five three Administrations of the NSSA shall have its proper budget, which shall be a part of the global NSSA budget.
5. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall serve exclusively to fulfill the Administration's social task, by ensuring the compensation of persons as specified by legislation. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall be financed through the contributions of people eligible to the insurance program each Administration is responsible of.
6. The budget of the NSSA shall also comprise its Functioning funds. Said funds shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the NSSA, by paying for the necessary infrastructures and remunerating its employees. Said funds shall be managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
7. The Federal Government shall be responsible for providing the Functioning funds to the NSSA. The Department of Internal Affairs shall be able to decide the amount of those funds. The Functioning funds devolved to the NSSA shall be subject to a vote in the Senate.
8. If the budget of one or more of the five three administrations of the NSSA present a surplus, such surplus shall be attributed to a Balanced Budget Fund managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
9. If the budget of one or more of the five three administrations of the NSSA presents a deficit, the Balanced Budget Fund shall be used to fill such deficit.
10. If the Balanced Budget Fund isn't sufficient to ensure a balanced budget in every administration, the Federal Government shall lend to the NSSA the money necessary for that. In such case, the Balanced Budget Funds shall be used to reimburse such loan as soon as possible.

Section 3: Tasks

1. The role of the NSSA is to compensate the victims of the social risks specified by legislation, through mechanisms and for an amount specified by legislation.
2. The social risks recognized by Atlasia are: illness, unemployment, parenthood, old age, handicap, working incidents, death of the spouse or the parent, catastrophe and excessive debt.
3. Each of the five three Administrations of the NSSA shall be responsible to cover one or more of previously specified social risks.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 02, 2011, 11:58:14 PM
Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor's amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on October 03, 2011, 12:03:38 AM
Ill have an amendment soon.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 04, 2011, 01:12:19 AM
The amendment has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 05, 2011, 08:08:03 PM
My only concern is to make sure all the amendments passed are successfully integrated into the text before we vote.


Other than that, barring what Napoleon has to say sparking a new perspective of the text (and thus further problems), I am finished.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on October 05, 2011, 08:15:06 PM
Amendment:

Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 05, 2011, 08:46:39 PM
^ Is this a new section, a new clause to a current section? Let's try to keep the bill nice and pretty. ;D

(and of course, waiting for the sponsor's response)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on October 05, 2011, 08:48:48 PM
I don't k ow just stick it where it makes sense to go. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 05, 2011, 09:14:26 PM
I would suggest placing it as a loose hanging clause at the top of the bill like these are in the current text:

Quote
Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.



Does number 5 sound reasonable? It has to be after 2-4 since it references the NSSA.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 05, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
How abotu this formating?

Quote
The Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

All content in Sections 1 through 8 shall remain undeleted by this amendment.

Edit: Added that last sentence, otherwise, according to the precedent in the Currency act, such an amendment would erase the Sections 1-8. Wouldn't want that to happen. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on October 06, 2011, 12:01:11 AM
That is a good place.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 06, 2011, 01:42:59 AM
So, I take it you're accepting this as friendly then? ;D


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on October 07, 2011, 12:29:04 AM
If you repeal a law establishing a program, I don't think the program could legally be continued.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 07, 2011, 01:01:36 AM
Clause 1 could be altered somewhat to reflect the changes in clause 5.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 07, 2011, 01:06:47 AM
Clause 1 could be altered somewhat to reflect the changes in clause 5.

answer mah question plz


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 07, 2011, 01:20:55 AM
Clause 1 could be altered somewhat to reflect the changes in clause 5.

answer mah question plz

Yes, it's friendly.

But we need another one now.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 07, 2011, 09:52:40 PM
Quote
The Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed for all new recipients, starting on or after January 1st 2012.. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

This amendment would make no other changes to the text.

How is this potential amendment?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on October 07, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
Looks great.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 09, 2011, 01:22:43 AM
Ah, bgwah, ask your next question plz. :P ;D


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 09, 2011, 01:35:27 AM
You can just say "friendly" and save a step if you want to. But sure. Do you accept the amendment as friendly, sponsor?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 10, 2011, 12:30:47 AM
I was actually referring to you asking if there were any objections to the first one. Since the second one is sponsor originated, you can ask that for both simultaneously and then be done in 24 hours with both.


So actually I was trying to skip a few steps here. :P


I don't understand what you asking about being friendly. I have already accepted Nappy's as friendly and mine is a sponsor amendment.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 10, 2011, 01:03:02 AM
^Oh, I see. Senators, you have 24 hours to object to following amendments.

Quote
The Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

All content in Sections 1 through 8 shall remain undeleted by this amendment.


Quote
The Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act is amended as follows:

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed for all new recipients, starting on or after January 1st 2012.. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

This amendment would make no other changes to the text.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 11, 2011, 02:28:05 AM
The amendments have passed.

Are you two done with your amendments, then? :)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 11, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
I am.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 12, 2011, 01:39:23 AM
wanna compile the current version for me??? ;D


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 12, 2011, 07:27:02 PM
I would but you forget by browser/connection issues. :P Why do you think I staffed that out to Antonio? If try to highlight a sentence, it takes whole paragraphs. My research indicates that it is a corruption in Windows coding, caused by an IE program update and is thus unreversible. Atleast that is what some guy said on Cnet forums.

As for the connection, I had to post the declaration for JCP endorsement three times, and somehow my post in the 5th Amendment.... thread regarding the vacancy versus concession issue got lost in space.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 13, 2011, 01:31:14 AM
Fiiine. I've compiled the current text:

Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act

1. Any statutory act (law, section or article) relative to Social Security in Atlasia, i.e. to the intervention of the Federal Government aimed to protect its citizens from social risks, prior to this Act is hereby repealed for all new recipients, starting on or after January 1st 2012. Any previously established tax aimed to fund said activities is hereby abolished.
2. The National Social Security Agency (NSSA) is hereby established.
3. Any responsibility and authority in the domain of Social Security shall be vested in the NSSA. Said domains may be further specified by appropriate legislation.
4. The NSSA shall be under the responsibility of the Department of Internal Affairs.
5. Persons currently receiving benefits from programs set for repeal will continue to receive those benefits as if those programs were still in effect. Persons receiving benefits from repealed programs shall not receive benefits from the programs created in this law. Benefits from repealed programs shall be administered by the NSSA.

Section 1: Administration

1. The NSSA shall be administered by a deliberative body called Superior Council.
2. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall be composed of 12 members, of which:    
    a) Four members shall be delegates of workers. They shall be democratically elected by every working or actively unemployed (see below) person. Labor Unions shall be responsible of organizing fair elections regularly.
    b) Four members shall be delegates of employers, designed by the organizations representing them.
    c) Four members shall be representatives of the Federal Government, designed by the Department of Internal Affairs.
3. The Superior Council of the NSSA shall elect a presiding officer, adopt an internal ruling, and decide the frequency and the duration of their sessions.
4. The NSSA shall be divided into five separate Administrations, called:    
    a) The Unemployment Insurance Administration
    b) The Old Age Insurance Administration
    c) The Minor Insurances Administration
5. The institutions administering each of previously cited Administration shall be designed by the Superior Council of the NSSA through procedures specified by it.

Section 2: Budget

1. The NSSA shall have its proper budget, independent from the Federal budget.
2. The budget of the NSSA shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the Agency and the fulfillment of the tasks devolved to it through proper legislation.
3. The budget of the NSSA shall be managed by the Superior Council provided that its administration respects subsection 2. The Department of Internal Affairs is in charge of ensuring the respect of subsection 2.
4. Each of the three Administrations of the NSSA shall have its proper budget, which shall be a part of the global NSSA budget.
5. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall serve exclusively to fulfill the Administration's social task, by ensuring the compensation of persons as specified by legislation. The budget of an Administration of the NSSA shall be financed through the contributions of people eligible to the insurance program each Administration is responsible of.
6. The budget of the NSSA shall also comprise its Functioning funds. Said funds shall serve to ensure the proper functioning of the NSSA, by paying for the necessary infrastructures and remunerating its employees. Said funds shall be managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
7. The Federal Government shall be responsible for providing the Functioning funds to the NSSA. The Department of Internal Affairs shall be able to decide the amount of those funds. The Functioning funds devolved to the NSSA shall be subject to a vote in the Senate.
8. If the budget of one or more of the three  administrations of the NSSA present a surplus, such surplus shall be attributed to a Balanced Budget Fund managed by the Superior Council of the NSSA.
9. If the budget of one or more of the three  administrations of the NSSA presents a deficit, the Balanced Budget Fund shall be used to fill such deficit.
10. If the Balanced Budget Fund isn't sufficient to ensure a balanced budget in every administration, the Federal Government shall lend to the NSSA the money necessary for that. In such case, the Balanced Budget Funds shall be used to reimburse such loan as soon as possible.

Section 3: Tasks

1. The role of the NSSA is to compensate the victims of the social risks specified by legislation, through mechanisms and for an amount specified by legislation.
2. The social risks recognized by Atlasia are: illness, unemployment, parenthood, old age, handicap, working incidents, death of the spouse or the parent, catastrophe and excessive debt.
3. Each of the three Administrations of the NSSA shall be responsible to cover one or more of previously specified social risks.

Section 4: Health Insurance

1. The present 1.45% medicare payroll tax levied on both employees and employers is renamed the Health Care Payroll Tax
2. The Health Care Payroll Tax rate applied to both employers and employees shall rise from 1.45% to 3% on January 1st, 2012, from 3% to 4.5% on April 1st, 2012, from 4.5% to 6.0% on July 1st, 2012, and finally from 6.0% to 6.5% on September 1st, 2012.
Clauses 1 and 2, shall be inserted as the third and fourth bulleted items in clause (c.), of Section 2, of the Atlasian National Health Care Act

Section 5: Unemployment Insurance

1. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall be responsible to compensate the victims of unemployment, to help them recovering a job and to ensure that recovering a job is economically beneficial to them.
2. Any employee or actively unemployed person shall be mandatorily registered to the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
3. To be deemed as "actively unemployed", a person shall meet the following requirements:    
    a) Not exercising any remunerated job.
    b) Actively researching a job, as defined under subsection 9.
    c) Being enrolled in or scheduled to be enrolled in a vocational education course or program as laid out in subsection 11.
4. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall receive contributions, amounting to 6% of a registered employee's salary. Such contributions shall be paid monthly, by half by concerned employee, and by half by the business employing it.
5. Any registered employee losing its job shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration a monthly revenue amounting to:
 a) 75% of the individual's previous salary during the first year following the loss of his/her job.
 b) 60% of the individual's previous salary during the second year following the loss of his/her job.6. Notwithstanding subsection 5, no registered unemployed individual shall receive less than $600 per month, neither more than $3000 per month.
7. Any actively unemployed individual registered to the Unemployment Insurance Administration who had never been previously employed shall receive from the Unemployment Insurance Administration monthly revenue of $600 per month.
8. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall provide registered unemployed individual with reasonable employment proposals. To be considered as reasonable, those proposals shall meet following requirements:    
    a) A salary equivalent to at least 90% of the individual's current revenue provided by the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
    b) A time necessary to reach workplace from the individual's home inferior to 1 hour. The Unemployment Insurance Administration shall be able to set inferior time limits on a local and case-by case basis.
    c) A domain corresponding to the individual's qualifications.
9. Any registered unemployed individual refusing three successive reasonable employment proposals shall be considered as inactive and deregistered from the Unemployment Insurance Administration.
10. Any registered individual previously unemployed recovering a job with net income inferior to 110% of the total benefits he received as an "actively unemployed" worker, as defined in Section 5, Clause 3, shall receive an allowance for the difference between his new employment's net income and 110% of total benefits last received as an "actively unemployed" worker.
11. For the purposes of this act, a vocational education course shall be defined as any course college or career training that seeks to improve one skills in their current occupation or train them for a new occupation entirely. Courses must be taught either online in connection with, or onsite of, an accredited university, community college, junior college, technical institute or other accredited institution offering continuing education courses.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 13, 2011, 01:31:57 AM

Section 6: Elderly Insurance

1. The Elderly Insurance Administration shall be responsible to guarantee elderly people decent standards of living.
2. Any adult shall be mandatorily registered to the Elderly Insurance Administration.
3. The Elderly Insurance Administration shall receive contributions, amounting to the same levels as the income tax established by the Social Security Taxation Act of 2009.
4. Actively unemployed individuals registered to the Elderly Insurance Administration shall not pay any contribution.
5. Any household in which no individual is concerned by subsections 3 and 4 shall pay a contribution equivalent to one twentieth of its income tax. Said contributions shall be paid concurrently with the income tax.
6. Any person retiring at the age of 60 or older shall receive a monthly pension from the Elderly Insurance administration.
7. The full old age penion shall be based on marginal percentages of a person's average annual earnings in the last 10 working years prior to their retirement.
      a) A working year is defined as a year in which the person worked more than six months.

8. A person will receive of the following percentages of marginal income earned as described in subsection 7:
                a) 0-14,999        90%     
                b) 15,000-34,999   65%           
                C) 35,000-74,999   40%       
                d) 75,000-and up   0%   

9. The minimum monthly payment to a pensioner shall be $1,500 a month. The maximum monthly payment to a pensioner shall be $3,000.
10. Any person retiring who is age 60 to 65 shall receive 75% of their full old age pension.  Any person retiring who is age 65 to 69 shall receive 85% of their full old age pension. Any person who is 70 or older, retiring shall receive their full old aged pension.
11. Age limits mentioned on section 11 shall be lower for individuals having exercised particularly hard jobs. The administration of the Elderly Insurance Administration shall be responsible to establish a list of particularly hard jobs and the retirement ages corresponding to each. Those limits shall not be lower than 55 years old for a 75% pension, and 60 years for a full pension.
12. All people 55 years and older will be handled under the previous social security laws. Those people under 55 will fall under the terms decribed in the above section 7.

Section 7: Minor Insurances

1. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to compensate the victims of social risks not covered by previously cited administrations. That is handicap, working incidents, death of the spouse or the parent, catastrophe and excessive debt.
2. Any household shall be mandatorily registered to the Minor Insurances Administration.
3.  Any household registered to the Minor Insurances Administration shall pay a contribution amounting to 2% of its salary and 5% of its other incomes.
4. Contributions shall be received by the Minor Insurances Administration, monthly for salaries an annually for other incomes.
5. Any adult officially deemed as handicapped by legitimate medical authorities who is not actively unemployed shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration a monthly allowance amounting to $600.
6. Any adult officially deemed as handicapped by legitimate medical authorities who is actively unemployed shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration a monthly allowance amounting to $300, which can be drawn concurrently with the allowance from the Unemployment Insurance Administration established in section 5.
7. Any household with one or more child officially deemed as handicapped by legitimate medical authorities shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration a monthly allowance amounting to $100 per child, which can be drawn concurrently with the allowance from the Parenthood Insurance Administration established in section 6.
8. Any individual suffering from invalidity, illness or any injury caused by his work shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration an indemnity proportional to the gravity of said injury. Said indemnity shall be comprised between $500 and $50,000. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to establish the appropriate levels of compensation relative to a specific injury.
9. Any household suffering from the death of an employed or actively unemployed member shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration an indemnity equivalent to the expected financial loss caused by said death. Said indemnity shall be comprised between $5000 and $1,000,000. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to estimate the amount of the financial loss caused by the death of the member of a household, based on their potential income and life expectancy.
10. Any household suffering from the consequence of a natural or man-caused catastrophe shall receive from the Minor Insurances Administration an indemnity equivalent to the expected financial loss caused by said catastrophe. Said indemnity shall be comprised between $1000 and $1,000,000. The Minor Insurances Administration shall be responsible to estimate the amount of the financial loss caused by the catastrophe based on the direct and indirect damages caused by the catastrophe on the household's property.
11. Any household in a situation of excessive debt may ask for an exemption from the Minor Insurances Administration. The Minor Insurances Administration shall examine said household's financial situation and determine whether the amount of the debt might represent a threat for the household's economic security. In such case, the Minor Insurances Administration shall provide such household a loan without interest permitting them to reimburse their debt.

Section 8: Limitation of the tax burden

1. In order to avoid an excessive raise of government taxes, it is the will of the legislator that the passage of this bill doesn't result in an augmentation of the total amount of money collected by the government and its agencies of more than 10%.
2. This goal shall in priority be pursued through the repeal of any legislation regarding Social Security prior to this bill, thus nullifying the taxes established under this legislation.
3. One year after the passage of this bill, an independent commission shall be nominated by the Department of Internal Affairs, in order to calculate the amount of money collected by the government and its agencies in the previous year and what it would have been without the passage of this bill. The conclusions of said commission shall be published by the Game Moderator.
4. If the commission determines that the raise in the tax burden due to the passage of this bill has exceeded 10%, the Senate shall implement legislation in order to reduce its amount so that the raise in the tax burden doesn't exceed 10%.
5. The terms of this section shall not be applicable to Section 4 of this act, titled "Health Insurance".



Sponsor: Antonio V, North Carolina Yankee


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (Debating)
Post by: bgwah on October 13, 2011, 01:37:58 AM
I am bringing this to a final vote. Please vote aye, nay, or abstain.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: Napoleon on October 13, 2011, 01:49:39 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on October 13, 2011, 02:55:53 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on October 13, 2011, 06:10:36 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on October 13, 2011, 07:03:34 AM
Aye! 


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: bgwah on October 13, 2011, 04:48:15 PM
Aye. I don't know how I could possibly vote nay after this took up a slot for ten months... :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 13, 2011, 10:23:31 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: bgwah on October 13, 2011, 10:24:06 PM
Currently tally: 6-0

This has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 14, 2011, 02:26:49 AM
Aye


Too much effort into not to do so. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (final vote)
Post by: bgwah on October 14, 2011, 11:34:43 PM
This has passed with 7 ayes and 3 non-voting abstentions. It is now presented to the President for his signature.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (prez desk)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 15, 2011, 02:03:05 AM
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Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (law'd)
Post by: bgwah on October 15, 2011, 07:38:10 PM
January 23rd through October 15th. Impressive. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (law'd)
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on October 21, 2011, 05:02:24 AM
So you guys eventually did it ? Congrats, even though some amendments disappointed me a bit.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Social Security Reform Act (Thread #2) (law'd)
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on October 21, 2011, 07:45:15 AM
AWWWW YEEEAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!