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Title: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Storebought on December 22, 2004, 12:48:20 pm
National Archives evidence that John Kerry received 31 more electoral college votes than he should have:

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/vote_new_york_03.html

This is evidence, along with the MN elector who voted for "John Ewards", that the Democrats really didn't give a crap about who they were voting for, so long as he wasn't "George W Bush."


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: J-Mann on December 22, 2004, 01:00:40 pm
Wouldn't this mean that the real Kerry (John F) will receive 31 fewer votes?  They didn't vote for John F Kerry and John L Kerry, just John L and Edwards.  I think that means he should get 31 less.

Not that it matters anyway.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: King on December 22, 2004, 03:08:36 pm
So let me get this straight....

George W. Bush: 286
John F. Kerry: 220
John L. Kerry: 31
John Ewards: 1

So if Bush lost, he could still win in the House thanks to the stupid antics of Kerry electors? That's priceless!


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on December 22, 2004, 04:24:28 pm
So let me get this straight....

George W. Bush: 286
John F. Kerry: 220
John L. Kerry: 31
John Ewards: 1

So if Bush lost, he could still win in the House thanks to the stupid antics of Kerry electors? That's priceless!

How do you know that John L. Kerry is the elector's faults?


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 22, 2004, 04:38:25 pm
So let me get this straight....

George W. Bush: 286
John F. Kerry: 220
John L. Kerry: 31
John Ewards: 1

So if Bush lost, he could still win in the House thanks to the stupid antics of Kerry electors? That's priceless!

How do you know that John L. Kerry is the elector's faults?

It must have been those electoral ballot counters, right Jfern! Up to their old tricks again!


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Jake on December 22, 2004, 05:26:33 pm
So let me get this straight....

George W. Bush: 286
John F. Kerry: 220
John L. Kerry: 31
John Ewards: 1

So if Bush lost, he could still win in the House thanks to the stupid antics of Kerry electors? That's priceless!

How do you know that John L. Kerry is the elector's faults?

All those people conspiring to take EVs away from the losing candidate. Jfraud, you need serious counseling. You need to take a life break and stop yourself from turning into bandit.  Everyone is not out to get you, or liberals, or anti-war idiots.  We just had an election, which 99.99% percent of Americans except as legitimate. Only a handful of people whose crediblity is in serious doubt, still are fighting the result. Chill out, except that George W Bush is your president for the next 4 years, 1 month.  If you don't like that Mexico is right across the border. Have fun.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Akno21 on December 22, 2004, 06:14:59 pm
This is why we should do away with electors.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: King on December 22, 2004, 07:02:05 pm
This is why we should do away with electors.

Yeah, lets have Congress elect Presidents!


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Alcon on December 22, 2004, 07:09:19 pm
This is why we should do away with electors.

Yeah, lets have Congress elect Presidents!

Ugh no. Direct popular vote.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Generally Useless on December 22, 2004, 07:18:12 pm
I would think it was just a misprint on the ballots.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Akno21 on December 22, 2004, 08:01:30 pm
What I meant was keep the EC, but don't actually have electors, just give the votes automatically to the winning candidate after the results are certified.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: DaleC76 on December 22, 2004, 08:17:15 pm
What I meant was keep the EC, but don't actually have electors, just give the votes automatically to the winning candidate after the results are certified.

I agree completely.  What if Kerry had won 270-268, and this joker accidentally (if it was accidental) votes for Edwards for President?  Can you imagine the mess that would be?  Some states have laws that force electors to be faithful.  They should be made nation-wide.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Hitchabrut on December 22, 2004, 08:54:47 pm
Why not just make electoral votes numbers on paper?


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on December 22, 2004, 09:44:11 pm
This sort of thing makes me laugh more than anything else I read on this forum. "John Ewards" for president and now 31 votes for JLK! This is why I love the electoral college, it at least provides comic relief


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on December 22, 2004, 10:02:42 pm
Hey! I just realized the certificate is doubly wrong! Look closely beneath "John L. Kerry" and you'll see "of the State of Massachusetts." But this "State of Massachusetts" is non-existant, what does exist is the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Does this mean that the 31 votes have to be thrown out completely?

Upon review of the forty-something vote certificates that have been posted at NARA, I have discovered the final tally (assuming the certificates that haven't yet come in are correct) is:
George W Bush 286
John Kerry 210
John Edwards 1
Uncountable 41

Dick Cheney 276
John Edwards 252
Uncast 10

Wisconsin electors also made the "State of Massachusetts" mistake and Arizona electors failed to vote for vice-president apparently


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: KEmperor on December 22, 2004, 11:59:54 pm
What would make this complete is for someone named "John L. Kerry" to file suit to claim his legally filed electoral votes.

Note that Gubernatorial candidate Eliot Spitzer is one of the 31 electors that voted for Mr. Kerry.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: Alcon on December 23, 2004, 02:20:30 am
What would make this complete is for someone named "John L. Kerry" to file suit to claim his legally filed electoral votes.

Note that Gubernatorial candidate Eliot Spitzer is one of the 31 electors that voted for Mr. Kerry.

It was the final thing (not sure how to put it - but he didn't sign it), I believe, not what Spitzer voted for. I may be incorrect.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on December 26, 2004, 02:59:16 pm
So let me get this straight....

George W. Bush: 286
John F. Kerry: 220
John L. Kerry: 31
John Ewards: 1

So if Bush lost, he could still win in the House thanks to the stupid antics of Kerry electors? That's priceless!

How do you know that John L. Kerry is the elector's faults?

All those people conspiring to take EVs away from the losing candidate. Jfraud, you need serious counseling. You need to take a life break and stop yourself from turning into bandit. Everyone is not out to get you, or liberals, or anti-war idiots. We just had an election, which 99.99% percent of Americans except as legitimate. Only a handful of people whose crediblity is in serious doubt, still are fighting the result. Chill out, except that George W Bush is your president for the next 4 years, 1 month. If you don't like that Mexico is right across the border. Have fun.
Jake, Phil, etc. Little reality check here. The NY electors voted for John F Kerry. The state printers effed up.


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: zorkpolitics on December 28, 2004, 12:05:22 pm
Clearly this is the back-up plan in case the recount in OH gives a Kerry a win therre.  Just more evidence of massive voter fraud by the GOP!


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: J. J. on December 28, 2004, 05:13:19 pm
Has there been a semi final count yet? 


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: The Man From G.O.P. on January 09, 2005, 07:51:50 pm
This must be republican voter fraud


Title: Re: 31 electoral votes for John "L" Kerry
Post by: The Duke on January 11, 2005, 10:15:36 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!