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Title: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on October 21, 2011, 11:15:38 PM
It is 2016, after eight years of Republican domination of the White House, Michael Barnes a charismatic 50 year old Texan, is preparing to hand over keys to two possible successors either North Carolina Governor Dwight Henderson, the Democrats standard bearer and Vice President John Creighton, Barnes selected Creighton eight years before to be his running mate, because of the fact he was from Pennsylvania. Creighton knows how to run a bare knuckled kind of campaign, the Democrats and Republicans are 50-50 in the Senate, with Creighton's tie-breaking vote allowing the GOP to run the Senate, the Democrats gained control of the House two years previously. Now considering the 532-6 electoral and 65.3% sweep Barnes enjoyed four years before and given that nuclear terrorism is the big issue considering how terrorists detonated a nuclear bomb on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, the city of Galveston faced heavy damage, but with a SORT treaty along with a Nobel Peace prize under his belt, discuss with maps the kind of impact nuclear security has on both the presidential and congressional elections in 2016, does Barnes help Creighton or does Hendersonhave the edge. Is it a nail-biter, oh yeah the first lady Katherine Barnes is seeking seat in U.S. Senate from Florida ( shades of Hillary Clinton) except in my time-line there were no Bush's or Clinton's


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: leatherface on November 01, 2011, 06:47:09 PM
It would be hard to know, if this President Richmond has only a personal popularity, ala Eisenhower or Reagan, then it is problematic to see if the Republicans hold on to the White House, if they do, then the Vice President would or should be as politically adept at winning, but after eight years it might be an iffy proposition. The Democrats might do well to try and nominate a southerner to overcome any bric-brats which the GOP are likely to throw his way. I would see the EV split as 285-253 in favor of the Dems. They should hold the Senate and the House could very well go back to GOP thanks to Richmond's popularity with the grass-roots. Cannon would likely try to put some distance between himself and his boss, to prove he is his own man. There are reasons to hope that Cannon would up the ante so to speak.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: leatherface on November 01, 2011, 06:59:50 PM
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: leatherface on November 01, 2011, 07:04:45 PM
Or if there is a 269-269 split in the Electoral vote, then the map would look like this.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: leatherface on November 01, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
The situation if there is a 269-269 split would mean a constitutional crisis of epic proportions.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 01, 2011, 07:20:14 PM
apologies to those who have responded to my post, I entered a wrong character, the Democrat who is seeking the presidency in 2016, is a southerner, by the name of Dwight Henderson, two term Governor of North Carolina, who is roughly the same age, a months older than the outgoing President, Michael "Mike" Barnes, Henderson is the Democrat's answer to the everyman, popular with the NASCAR crowd and campaigns like the best of them, he selects an older Vice Presidential nominee, a popular Senator from West Virginia, called Charles Kent, they face off against the Republican team, of two-term Vice President, John Creighton, of Pennsylvania and his Veep running mate, 36-year-old Congressman Andrew Bell of Iowa. I like the leatherface map set-up, couldn't have done better myself.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 01, 2011, 07:28:50 PM
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This is the re-election map in 2012 for Mike Barnes and John Creighton over Democratic nominee for President, Senator Robert Samuels of Massachusetts.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 01, 2011, 07:40:38 PM
This is the 2008 map for the 473-65 victory won by Senator Michael "Mike" Barnes of Texas and Senator John Creighton of Pennsylvania, they won over President Edward Daniels, who succeeded to the Presidency upon the death of President Daniel Lewis a few years before..
Four years later, when he sought re-election, President Barnes faced off against Massachusetts Senator Robert Samuels, the Democratic nominee.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 01, 2011, 07:43:39 PM
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 01, 2011, 07:52:50 PM
Correction on the 60.2% for 2012, it actually reads 64.91% that breaks the 48-year record set by LBJ in 1964.
in 2008, Barnes wins 59.03%  and has a popular vote majority of 25,302,056 and his re-election majority was 30,634,019.
His 49-state sweep in 2012, equalsReagan in 1984 andNixon in 1972


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 01, 2011, 10:52:58 PM
The next period between 2017- through 2020 are years of challenge, but promise for President Dwight Henderson the  Democrat has proven to be pretty adept and the strong leadership demonstrated during two crisis situations during the Kurdish war and the revolution in Saudi Arabia in 2018, allows the Democrats to go strong into the Mid-terms of 2018, however the successes of the Henderson administration on the foreign policy front are short-lived, but the Oil crisis of late 2018, creates economic havoc, Democrats lose 38 House seats and control of the House, and 8 seats in the Senate, thus giving  Republicans control of that chamber.  The following year, Virginia Governor Henry Wheeler emerges as the savior of the GOP and his selection of former First lady, Senator Katherine Barnes of Florida to be the party's vice-presidential nominee.  This is the electoral map for the 2020 Election, it was 367 for the  Republicans  to 171 EV for the Democrats. The winner's garner 53.7% to 44.9% for the incumbent.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 02, 2011, 10:13:42 AM
in 2024, Henry Wheeler  and Katherine Barnes won re-election, garnering  58.8%  and carried 43 States with 469 EV. The Democratic nominee was Senator Harry Jensen  of Nebraska. Here is the map.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 02, 2011, 10:34:39 AM
Henry Wheeler had no sooner defeated Harry Jensen in the 2024 elections, before the so- called 'Tecumseh' curse struck again, terrorism erupted on to the streets of Washington, claiming the lives of Wheeler and his Secretary of Defense, George Kirkland. The curse had struck down William H. Harrison in 1841, Abraham Lincoln in 1865, James Garfield in 1881, William McKinley in 1901, Warren Harding in 1923, Franklin Roosevelt in 1945, John Kennedy  in 1963 and more recently Daniel Lewis in 2005. Ronald Reagan was shot & fatally wounded in 1981, Tecumseh struck, if the President was elected in the year ending in zero. Katherine Barnes succeeded to the presidency, becoming the first woman to serve in that capacity, as well as being the spouse of a living former president. Barnes under the terms of the 25th Amendment, nominated Senator Edward Morris of New York to the position of Vice President, the confirmation hearings of Morris were dramatic and fractious and Democrats were to raise questions over the conduct of the previous Wheeler-Barnes administration's intelligence and national security record.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 02, 2011, 10:59:05 AM
The period of 2025 through 2026, was a period of challenge for Katherine Barnes  and her administration. She faced challenges from a newly resurgent Russia, as well as Japan, whose dominance on the world's markets was creating a protectionist flavor to American politics. Her appointment in 2025, of Charles Stevens to be Secretary of State gave conservatives within the Republican  party much reason to be happy, but so to were the Wall Street crowd, as Stevens had served as Treasury Secretary during the administration of President Michael Barnes, so there was an institutional memory to be considered. By 2026, the Democrats were determined to make the dramatic inroads in the mid-terms, which Republicans had offered eight years previously during Dwight Henderson's presidency. They believed that 2028 could be the year when they might reclaim the White House. as it turned out the Democrats only picked up 19 seats in the House and 5 in the Senate. Not a seismic shift by any stretch of the imagination. But the result might give the Barnes-Morris administration pause for thought. The period of 2027 through 2028, saw foreign policy taking center stage , in advance of the 2028 presidential election. The president made enough foreign policy forays to dampen Democratic hopes. Her supreme court appointments faced more rigorous grilling by a Senate evenly divided 50-50, the most likeliest challenge to Katherine Barnes came from Gerald Hoag.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 02, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: leatherface on November 02, 2011, 12:30:08 PM
I was looking at the 2024 map, and counted EV for Blake as 468 instead of 469, so if you don't mind, I think this is how the map should be configured.
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I find the storyline to be fascinating, but the author seems more interested in the elections, than a storyline for the period. I will submit some possible scenarios for later on. For example the author neglects to discuss the primary contests, and the party conventions and what cities played host.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 02, 2011, 05:53:43 PM
I would like to thank fellow traveler, Leatherface for his or her help on the 2024 election map, don't know how I missed that, but then again math was never my strong suit. Getting back to brass tacks, in the 2008 & 2012 electoral cycles, both Democratic nominee's were from Eastern states, in the 2016 & 2020 cycles, the Democratic nominee was a southerner/border state native. However in the 2024, 2028 & 2032 cycles, the Democratic nominee came from the East (New York), the Midwest (Illinois) & the East (Pennsylvania). It appears from this pattern, the Democrats run to the left, where there candidates originate from, where as the Republicans as seen in the 2008, 2012, 2020, 2024 & 2028 electoral cycles, have nominee's who come from Texas and Florida (sunbelt). The exception to the rule was in 2016, when the party go with the former Governor of and Senator from Ohio, who had ended up on the ticket in 2008, not because of ticket-balancing considerations, but more out of consideration, that he represented the moderate wing of the Republican party and Barnes wanted to appeal to Independents, however that became a moot point, in view of the economic meltdown which occurred in September of 2008, in which case the GOPcould have run Attila the Hun and still have won, the fact that Barnes was the most appealing and attractive candidate to be offered by a major party since the Democrats went with John F. Kennedy in 1960. Barnes was only 42 when he became President, but unlike JFK survived his presidency.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 03, 2011, 07:03:04 AM
There needs to be a correction, on the 2032 result, Henderson won 49.67% to 49.65% for Petty. Any guesses on how the 2036 map would look like, remember William Stevens, he is from Ohio originally, but was for years based in the brokerage business, hence his service as Treasury Secretary under Michael Barnes and then as Secretary of State under outgoing President, Katherine Barnes. in 2031, Stevens has resigned from the cabinet in order to challenge Petty for the GOP presidential nomination, but comes up short, as many in the party are of the view, that it is Petty's 'turn'. So my question by 2036, Stevens will be 72, would he be considered to old or considering the medical advances, would 71 be the new 60?. He is still healthy and vigorous to pass muster and might be a good challenger for Henderson I don't know if any of you realize this but in every presidential election held on November 6, the Republicans have won, as has been the case on November 4, well almost, Coolidge in 1924, Eisenhower i n 1952 and Reagan in 1980, so in my TL Republicans have won in 2008 and must win in 2036. I realize that Democrats won in 1828, 1856 and 1884. But the modern two -part system was still in its infancy.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 03, 2011, 09:27:56 PM
The following Presidents in my TL
Ronald Reagan * (CA)/ George H.W. Bush (TX) January 20th 1981 March 30th 1981
George H. W. Bush (TX) March 30th 1981 January 20 1989/ Robert Dole (KS) May 1 1981 January 20 1989
 Henry Chandler (VA)/ Raymond Dann (PA) January 20th 1989 January 20th 1997
Eugene Maxwell ^ (TX)/ Roger Burke (VA)* January 20th 1997 January 20th 2001
Gerald Benson** (CA)/ William Daniels (MD) January 20th 2001 July 16th 2005
William Daniels ^^ (MD)/ Burt Brown (NC) July 16th 2005 January 20th 2009
Michael Barnes (TX)/ Robert Creighton (OH) January 20th 2009 January 20th 2017

Howard Davenport ^^^(NC)/ Charles Meyers (WI) January 20th 2017 January 20th 2021

Timothy Wheeler **** (VA)/ Katherine Barnes (FL) January 20th 2021 December 30th 2024
Katherine Barnes (FL)/ iEdward Morris (N.Y.): ii John Petty (CA):December 12th 2024 January 20th 2033
Paul Henderson^^^^ (MA)/ Larry Kent (WA) January 20th 2033 January 20th 2037
William Stevens****(OH)/Joseph McKenna (FL) January 20th 2037 April 7th 2042
Joseph McKenna (FL) April 7th 2042 January 20th 2049

* Died in office
** Died in office
*** Died in office
****Died in office
^ defeated for reelection
^^ defeated for reelection
^^^defeated for reelection
^^^^defeated for reelection




Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 03, 2011, 10:13:00 PM
By 2036, another Democratic President was facing political meltdown, Howard Davenport was now facing political problems not of his own making, but rather ones he had inherited from the previous Republican  administration, however this meant very little to the kind of campaign the GOP were prepared to engage in, and very cynically, the party's nominee, Charles Stevens and his Vice-Presidential running mate, former CIA Director  and Defense Secretary during the Henry Wheeler presidency, Thomas Emerson were prepared to engage in. For his part Stevens had served both as Treasury Secretary and finally as Secretary of State. Stevens employed the same playbook that Wheeler  had successfully used against both  in Davenport in 2020 and against Jensen  in 2024. The campaign was dirty, but Stevens and Emerson came smelling up roses on Election day, garnering 369  EV and 41 states to 69 and 9 states for Davenport
with 53.90%. Here's the map.
[img]https://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: heatmaster on November 03, 2011, 10:26:04 PM
Here's the 2036 map
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: heatmaster on November 03, 2011, 10:46:01 PM
Charles Stevens was strictly a hands-on president and despite being 71 when he was first elected, he was remarkably fit and healthy as he entered into his third year in the White House, the Republicans were more than happy to stick with a winning team and nominated Stevens and Emerson for second terms. The result on November 6 was 60.2% of the popular vote, with 474 to 64 for the challenger. Here is the map for the 2040 Election. The Republicans won California, Florida, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island while losing Oregon, all in all they swept 44 states, compared to the 41 states they won four years previously.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 04, 2011, 08:04:07 PM
During the the thirty plus years dealing with my TL: the most important figure in any administration apart from those positions held by the Secretaries of the Treasury or even State, would be that of Secretary of Defense.
Here are the following list in my timeline and the administrations in which they served.
Thomas Bodine 1989-97 Fields administration.
Ethan Cartwright 1997-2001 Maxwelladministration.
David Deckert 2001-05 Lewisadministration.
Mills Lee  2005-09 Lewis/Daniels administrations.
Robert Kanin2009-2012Barnes administration.
Charles Brice2012-13Barnesadministration
Regina Hutchinson 2013-17Barnesadministration.
Brad Goff2017-2021Henderson administration.
George Kirkland2021-24Wheeleradministration.
Walter Simon2024-32 Barnesadministration.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 06, 2011, 09:47:43 AM
note Robert Kanin, left the Pentagon in early 2012, to take over as White House Chief of Staff, while Lloyd Sargent, who had managed Barnes' 2008 presidential campaign, and had been White House Chief of Staff, would become the Barnes-Creighton for America 2012 Reelection Campaign chairman. Charles Brice became Secretary of Defense, replacing Kanin in that position. Kanin remained at the White House until the end of Barnes' second term in January of 2017.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: heatmaster on November 06, 2011, 09:53:51 AM
I will be dealing White House chiefs of Staff, NSC advisers, Secretaries of the Treasury & State, as well as Attorneys General as I progress with this TL
During the the thirty plus years dealing with my TL: the most important figure in any administration apart from those positions held by the Secretaries of the Treasury or even State, would be that of Secretary of Defense.
Here are the following list in my timeline and the administrations in which they served.
Thomas Bodine 1989-97 Fields administration.
Ethan Cartwright 1997-2001 Hendersonadministration.
David Deckert 2001-05 Lewisadministration.
Mills Lee  2005-09 Lewis/Daniels administrations.
Robert Kanin2009-2012Richmond administration.
Charles Brice2012-13Richmondadministration
Regina Hutchinson 2013-17Richmondadministration.
Brad Goff2017-2021Davenport administration.
George Kirkland2021-24Wheeleradministration.
Walter Simon2024-32 Richmondadministration.



Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 10, 2011, 01:26:08 PM
Getting back to the 2028 election, modify electoral map, where now Katherine Barnes receives 55.67% and carried 39 states, winning 414 to 124 for Gerald Hoag of Illinois who carried 11 states and won 42.57% Here's that map.(
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on November 23, 2011, 04:59:35 PM
Update I figured if Howard Davenport came from the East (in this case Pennsylvania) then he should have an almost clean sweep of the New England and Middle Atlantic states (in this case Delaware and New Jersey) voted for Vice President Robert Petty, the Republican nominee for President received242 EV to 296 for Davenport.
Here is my map, on differences from the other 2032 map, was that Maine & New Hampshire went for the challenger.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 15, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
There is another scenario, by 2028 Katherine Barnesand her choice to serve as her successor in the Vice Presidency, under the terms of the 25th Amendment, which she invoked in the weeks following her succession to the presidency on December 12, 2024 Edward Morris, his virtue was that he brought political and geographic balance to a political marriage, he had been Governor of New York for two terms, before the voters of the Empire state, sent him to the United States Senate, he had made necessity a virtue, and his presence on the ticket made New York very friendly territory for the Barnes-Morris ticket in 2028. The GOP did just as well as the Barnes-Creighton ticket in 2012, in that unique of elections the GOP won 65% of the vote and swept every state but Vermont and the District of Columbia, for 532. Now it was Katherine Barnes' turn, she won with 497 Electoral votes, to win forty four of the fifty states, her opponent Gerald Hoag carried only Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont and the District of Columbia Here's the 2028 electoral map.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 15, 2012, 06:46:43 PM
Within months following her inauguration for her 'own' term Katherine Barnes was informed that Vice President, Edward Morris was diagnosed with a terminal illness, and that a cure was problematic if not unlikely. Most Republicans including the president herself as well as First Gentleman, Michael Barnes had harbored hopes that Morris was the party's only chance in the 2032 election cycle. Morris died by his own hand and once again Barnes found that once again after little more than five years, she had to invoke 25 and she looked at Robert Petty as an ideal replacement, he came from Ohio, had served in the House for over five terms, he had been appointed as Secretary of State to replace Charles Stevens and his flair consummate inside know how was a welcome balm after the feisty maverick, which was Stevens. While Stevens had served her husband well at Treasury and was like an 'older brother' of sorts to the former president, his manner grated against Kathy Barnes who valued loyal team players in her administration above else, a quality which Petty had in spades. With Petty shunted off to the Vice Presidency, Katherine Barnes found a perfect replacement in Robert Kanin who been White House Chief of Staff during the single term of her father Eugene Maxwell. Then Kanin had been her husband's Secretary of Defense for remaining five years of his presidency. Now after well over a decade in the private sector, Kanin was to be Katherine Barnes' third Secretary of State.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 15, 2012, 09:29:16 PM
The 2032 election pitted Vice President Robert Petty against Senator Howard Davenport of Pennsylvania. Here's the map, it read 296 to 242.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on February 16, 2012, 07:41:45 PM
This is cool.  Is this like a TL or something?


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 19, 2012, 01:41:25 PM
Its based upon a blend of fictional presidents and RL events combined with some made up and borrowed features, from fictional political figures. In my TL, Ronald Reagan dies to be succeeded by George Bush, my original plan was to have Jerry Ford take the Vice Presidential role, but I figured if he was reluctant to take the plunge at the GOP convention in Detroit in July of 1980 and therefore Bush opts for a more conventional and political choice in Bob Dole, who Jerry Ford very likely recommends. Henry Chandler is a composite of a RL Bill Clinton, as well as Andrew Shepherd, I used two fictional presidents names and combined them together and Kentucky was ideal from the point of view, there was another fictional president called Oliver Russell in Best Laid Plans and he came from Kentucky, the other figures are fictitious, Michael Barnes is a composite of Matt Santos (Texas), and James Marshall from Air Force One, and like the Manchurian candidate, is the off-spring of a powerful political figure, Barbara Barnes, who gives up her Senate seat in the 2002, to allow her son then a rising 36-year-old two term Texas Congressman to seek that same senate seat. Her retirement was prompted by the events of 9/11 when her husband dies on one of the planes which plows into the twin towers. Mike Barnes (has just six years in the Senate),  Barack Obama (four years in Senate) and decides to run for President in 2008 on the cusp of his fortieth birthday. Like Obama uses the internet to build up a huge financial war chest in advance of the primaries and despite his youth, Barnes using his Persian Gulf War hero Status (Ala John McCain in RL) as well as his public speaking skills wows the American people, as in RL the financial meltdown makes Barnes' election more inevitable and dooms the incumbent Democratic president to an electoral whipping on November 4.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 22, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
The other scenario I have pictured for the 2028 election was that Katherine Barnes and Edward Morris in defeating the  Democraticnominee, Senator Tom Neal of Florida, did so by winning 39 states, and garnered 441 electoral votes to 97 for Jensen. Winning 55% of the vote. Here's my map for such a victory.
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441  Barnes
97  Neal


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 22, 2012, 04:50:14 PM
We could go on and on....like the energizer bunny, apparently no contributions have come in from fellow members of the forum, not up to the challenge guys? Thought somebody might try to expand on the story line in the TL I have been pounding on, well here's another scenario concerning the elections involving, the first woman President to win election since the founding of the current political system, remember it is sixteen years into the future, not much of a stretch really when you consider the changes we have seen since 1996.
Here goes, The other scenario I have pictured for the 2028 election was that Katherine Barnes and Edward Morris in defeating the  Democratic nominee, Senator Tom Neal of Florida, did so by winning 42 states, and garnered 462 electoral votes to 76 for Neal who carried 8 states and DC. Barnes carried 55% of the vote. Here's my map for such a victory.
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462 for Katherine Barnes
76 for Thomas Neal



Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on February 22, 2012, 05:20:56 PM
As you can see according to the scenario I have painted, Edward Morris had proven to be a inspired choice and his selection under the twenty-fifth, which Barnes was required to do in the early weeks of her tenure. She had as you will observed according to my TL succeeded to the Presidency, when Timothy Wheeler was assassinated by terrorists as he disembarked 'Marine One' one the South Lawn of the White House on December 12, 2024. The event occurred between the reelection of Wheeler & Barnes (November 5, 2024) and the planned second inauguration for Monday, January 20 2025. The GOP had smashed the Democrat's sacrificial lamb Governor Andrew Morrison of California  who only garnered 69 Electoral Votes in that contest. Now four years later Barnes and Morris had a fresh mandate.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Pingvin on February 23, 2012, 02:07:57 AM
Interesting scenario. Keep it up :) !


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on February 23, 2012, 02:10:24 AM


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on March 01, 2012, 05:25:10 PM
There was another scenario in which President Timothy Wheeler and Vice President Katherine Barnes won an even larger lopsided victory over Andrew Morrison, the electoral configuration had the Republicans carrying 48 states and won 521 EV to 17 for Morrison. Here is the map.
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Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on March 01, 2012, 10:45:31 PM
There was another scenario in which President Henry Wheeler and Vice President Katherine Richmond won an even larger lopsided victory over Nathan Samuels, the electoral configuration had the Republicans carrying 48 states and won 521 EV to 17 for Samuels. Here is the map.
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Balls!  What happened to the Democrats ITTL?


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on March 11, 2012, 02:45:57 PM
ITTL Democrats lose the plot during the 2020s and there persistence in nominating the likes of Nathan Samuels, a typical New York liberal, who happens to be of Jewish extraction, doesn't help there cause against Henry Wheeler, who runs presidential campaigns, the same way he ran his races for Governor in Texas, the dirty way helps send the Samuels effort to oblivion. Jon Morrison, does a little better against Katherine Richmond four years later, but not much. On paper he is the perfect candidate for the Democrats and his midwestern roots enable him to launch a credible campaign against the incumbents. But it is "National Security Stupid" which prevent the likes of Samuels and Morrison from gaining traction. To be fair I noticed there is to much emphasis on how successful Democrats are on the forum, and they are treated like the party are the best thing since sliced bread, when I see that Republicans are treated equally as well as Democrats, well then just maybe....

I know what you mean ;).  We are indeed outnumbered here


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on March 20, 2012, 06:58:12 PM
There was another scenario in which President Henry Wheeler and Vice President Katherine Barnes won an even larger lopsided victory over Harry Jensen, the electoral configuration had the Republicans carrying 48 states and won 521 EV to 17 for Jensen. Here is the map.
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Balls!  What happened to the Democrats ITTL?


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 28, 2012, 10:29:35 AM
I have painted the following scenario, on Sunday, July 2, 2023 PresidentTimothy Wheeler dies, from wounds when terrorists attack as "Marine One" lands on the south lawn of the White House; Vice President, Katherine Barnes assumes office, as 49th President of the United States; Barnes will be America's first woman President; she's the spouse of a living former President, Michael "Mike" Barnes. Mrs. Barnes will likely be a candidate for election in 2024; her first task will be to find a suitable nominee to fill out the the Vice presidential vacancy.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on June 28, 2012, 01:38:18 PM
Cool.  Good to see this back ;)


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 28, 2012, 02:21:42 PM
The 2024 presidential election was underway, and the Republican party, nominated President Katherine Barnes and her Vice President, Edward Morris: Barnes, had designated Morris as her replacement in the Vice Presidency under the terms of the 25th Amendment: Morris, had been chosen not only for his geographical appeal, he came from New York, and had served as Governor of the Empire State, before going onto the United States Senate: Morris, was seen as the future of the GOP, as the fractious confirmation hearings over a year before had demonstrated; Democrats recognized this fact, by the stiff resistance they launched during the Morris confirmation hearings: now with the Barnes-Morris ticket decided, a month after the Democrats had selected Senator Tom Neal of Florida to be there standard bearer. The Barnes-Neal contest would be the most bitter in recent memory.
Here was the 2024 Electoral map:
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462 for Katherine Barnes
76 for Thomas Neal


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on June 28, 2012, 03:37:10 PM
I'd love to see the updated map after the 2020 census.  ;)


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 28, 2012, 04:39:42 PM
By the time of Katherine Barnes' inauguration on Monday January 20 2025, speculation was mounting on her intentions regarding 2028, but her plans and intentions would be subject to how the political landscape shaped up in advance of the next presidential election. Edward Morris was likely to chafe under the dominance of Barnes and her husband, who was a powerful political figure in his own right. Morris was now even more unhappy by the fact that Secretary of State, John Petty, now offered another obstacle to Morris' political ambitions: Petty had served long side both Katherine Barnes and Edward Morris in the United States Senate, representing the voters of California, in that illustrious body.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 28, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
Outcome of the 2024 Presidential election, another scenario: The 2024 presidential election was underway, and the Republican party, nominated President Katherine Barnes and her Vice President, Edward Morris: , Barnes had designated Morris as her replacement in the Vice Presidency under the terms of the 25th Amendment: Morris, had been chosen not only for his geographical appeal, he came from New York, and had served as Governor of the Empire State, before going onto the United States Senate: Morris, was seen as the future of the GOP, as the fractious confirmation hearings over a year before had demonstrated; Democrats recognized this fact, by the stiff resistance they launched during the Morris confirmation hearings: now with the Barnes-Morris ticket decided, a month after the Democrats had selected Senator Thomas Neal of Florida to be there standard bearer. The Barnes-Neal contest would be the most bitter in recent memory.
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Here was the 2024 Electoral map:
469 for Katherine Barnes
69 for Thomas Neal


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 28, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
The 2028 presidential election campaign, was a contest of many twists and turns: Vice President Edward Morris, was emerging as the most likeliest candidate to face the Paul Henderson: Morris however died suddenly from a massive coronary on August 25, 2028: his death prompted the President Barnes, to select former Secretary of State, John Petty to replace Morris as Vice President:Petty had been neck and neck with Morris during the Republican presidential primaries: Petty became the GOP nominee by default. The Henderson-Petty contest was a bitter and fractious one, the outcome of the 2028 election is illustrated in the following map.
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285 for Paul Henderson.
253 for John Petty


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 28, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
By 2032, Katherine Barnes had good reason to regret her decision in stepping aside in 2028: many Republicans shared this view and were prepared to embrace the idea of the former President, challenging Democratic incumbent, Paul Henderson. Finally Barnes decided to enter the Republican primaries, she faced John Petty and Thomas Jackson of California: but she saw off these challenges and emerged with sufficient delegates to secure a first ballot nomination: Barnes selected Jackson as her Vice Presidential running mate and so the Barnes-Jackson ticket faced the Henderson-Kent. The election contest: it would be the first time in 140 years in which the two major party nominee's were both Presidents.
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394 electoral votes for Barnes-Jackson
144 electoral votes for Henderson-Kent


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on June 29, 2012, 09:01:23 AM
Katherine Barnes was not constrained by promises or commitments as she began her second term: she was free also from the concerns or worries of reelection, as the twenty-second Amendment, the same amendment which barred Dwight Eisenhower, George H.W. Bush, Henry Chandler and Michael Barnes from seeking or serving more than two terms. Despite assumptions of her being consigned to lame duck status at the moment of her inauguration, Katherine Barnes was quite effective during most if not all of her presidential term; she was able to reverse most of the Henderson administration policies; what she failed to achieve by legislative initiative, she utilized the presidential prerogative of executive order to implement policies. Her record in office, burnished her credentials as a can-do chief executive and her popularity, ensured that her Vice President, Thomas Jackson, would have an easy ride towards Republican Party's presidential nomination in 2036.


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Richmond
Post by: Jerseyrules on June 29, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
Awesome!


Title: Re: Fictional U.S. President called Mike Barnes
Post by: heatmaster on July 14, 2012, 09:56:02 PM
As the eight year Barnes presidency was winding down, there was still the 2016 presidential election to be played out and the two main protagonists, the Republican presidential nominee, Vice President Robert Creighton and the Democratic standard bearer Senator Howard Davenport of North Carolina were the two main actors in the rich political tapestry already being unwrapped by the ebbs and flows of the campaign. The outcome revealed the Blue-Red schism which existed in American politics, but which had been papered over by the two Barnes landslides.
Here was the map of the 2016 presidential election, which occurred on November 8 of that year.
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292 Electoral Votes for Davenport-Meyers
246 Electoral Votes for Creighton-Bell