Title: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 27, 2011, 06:49:57 PM This is just a blog, and their is no solid sources, but if it is true, this could make the campaign much more interesting. Will he pull a John Anderson?
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2011/09/is-gary-johnson-considering-the-libertarian-party/ Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on October 27, 2011, 06:51:45 PM He might be wanting to pull an Anderson... but is closer to pulling a Buchanan in 2000.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: NVGonzalez on October 27, 2011, 06:55:06 PM He might be wanting to pull an Anderson... but is closer to pulling a Buchanan in 2000. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: TomC on October 27, 2011, 08:01:36 PM Actually, I think he could have the best showing for the Libertarian Party so far. He'd just have to get- what- 1.07%?
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on October 27, 2011, 08:20:26 PM He might be wanting to pull an Anderson... but is closer to pulling a Buchanan in 2000. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Jacobtm on October 27, 2011, 08:28:24 PM I for one would be way more likely to vote for Gary Johnson over Obama or any Republican.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on October 27, 2011, 08:29:01 PM I for one would be way more likely to vote for Gary Johnson over Obama. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Averroës Nix on October 27, 2011, 08:43:52 PM Does anyone more knowledgeable about the Libertarian Party know if Johnson would have a significantly more realistic chance at gaining the nomination than, say, Gravel did in '08?
Personally, I don't see how they could resist this: () Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Jacobtm on October 27, 2011, 08:54:32 PM I for one would be way more likely to vote for Gary Johnson over Obama. If it was Obama v. Republican v. Johnson would you vote for any of the Republican nominees? Would Johnson even take away votes from Republicans really? I feel like he would attract Ron Paul voters and hippy libertarian types, ie people whose views are not represented by normal Democrats or Republicans. He might be a 3rd party candidate who doesn't affect the 2 major parties at all, whatever % he gets. I bet he could get at least 1% nationally, if Bob Barr got .4%. Amazing though, how little coverage this successful 2 term governor has gotten just because he's come out for Marijuana legalization. That issue freakin kills you with the MSM. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on October 27, 2011, 08:59:46 PM I for one would be way more likely to vote for Gary Johnson over Obama. If it was Obama v. Republican v. Johnson would you vote for any of the Republican nominees? Would Johnson even take away votes from Republicans really? I feel like he would attract Ron Paul voters and hippy libertarian types, ie people whose views are not represented by normal Democrats or Republicans. He might be a 3rd party candidate who doesn't affect the 2 major parties at all, whatever % he gets. I bet he could get at least 1% nationally, if Bob Barr got .4%. Amazing though, how little coverage this successful 2 term governor has gotten just because he's come out for Marijuana legalization. That issue freakin kills you with the MSM. I think the Republicans nominating a pro-weed Republican would be totally badass, regardless of my own pro or anti position on the issue. He'd definitely have a bigger base of support than Barr given he'd have the Paulites better lined up being a through-and-through Libertarian as opposed to Bob Barr and being a former two-term Governor. In all likelihood I'd support the GOP nominee (I won't be able to vote), but would be rooting for Johnson to get a couple percentage points regardless of the outcome. I like third parties. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Averroës Nix on October 27, 2011, 09:01:14 PM Amazing though, how little coverage this successful 2 term governor has gotten just because he's come out for Marijuana legalization. That issue freakin kills you with the MSM. It's not the drugs. Johnson's problem is the is, by all accounts, a terrible politician. I think it's the GQ piece (also the source of the awesome picture in my previous post) that describes Johnson apologizing to people for mentioning that he's running for President. How does someone like that run a successful campaign? Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Reluctant Republican on October 27, 2011, 09:09:54 PM Johnson would have a great chance at getting the Libertarian nomination, and he does seem to be considering it. They seem to like him, and if they gave it to Barr, they'd have no trouble giving it to Johnson,a politician who they have always agreed with with on most issues.
I don't think he'd do much better then the average Lib though. Paul would, but that's a large part a personal following. Plus Paul would get some media coverage, being a pretty strong Republican candidate who switched parties. Johnson, not so much. Now if Mitt's nominated, I could see the Constitution Party doing really well. but I don't think Johnson would be the golden bullet for the Libertarians. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Thomas D on October 27, 2011, 09:12:45 PM He could get 5-10 percent in New Mexico. But I'm not sure who that would help/hurt.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Jacobtm on October 27, 2011, 09:48:16 PM It's not the drugs. Johnson's problem is the is, by all accounts, a terrible politician. I think it's the GQ piece (also the source of the awesome picture in my previous post) that describes Johnson apologizing to people for mentioning that he's running for President. How does someone like that run a successful campaign? Quite true. It is humble people like that who we should really be electing, not the prideful, boastful sorts. Of course, humility doesn't gain you votes in the Reality TV era. Though Johnson is the only one running for the Republican nomination with a positive approval rating in his home state Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Averroës Nix on October 27, 2011, 10:03:15 PM It's not the drugs. Johnson's problem is the is, by all accounts, a terrible politician. I think it's the GQ piece (also the source of the awesome picture in my previous post) that describes Johnson apologizing to people for mentioning that he's running for President. How does someone like that run a successful campaign? Quite true. It is humble people like that who we should really be electing, not the prideful, boastful sorts. Of course, humility doesn't gain you votes in the Reality TV era. Agreed. As ineffective a candidate as Johnson is, I do like him, and I wish that more of our political figures shared his personality traits. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Zarn on October 28, 2011, 09:08:14 AM Johnson would have a great chance at getting the Libertarian nomination, and he does seem to be considering it. They seem to like him, and if they gave it to Barr, they'd have no trouble giving it to Johnson,a politician who they have always agreed with with on most issues. I don't think he'd do much better then the average Lib though. Paul would, but that's a large part a personal following. Plus Paul would get some media coverage, being a pretty strong Republican candidate who switched parties. Johnson, not so much. Now if Mitt's nominated, I could see the Constitution Party doing really well. but I don't think Johnson would be the golden bullet for the Libertarians. Well, I'm sure not voting for Mitt or Cain... be it primary or general. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Modernity has failed us on October 28, 2011, 09:12:13 AM I hope he'll be the LP nominee cuz chances are I won't like Romney's running mate and won't support him.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Bull Moose Base on October 28, 2011, 09:50:15 AM It's not the drugs. Johnson's problem is the is, by all accounts, a terrible politician. I think it's the GQ piece (also the source of the awesome picture in my previous post) that describes Johnson apologizing to people for mentioning that he's running for President. How does someone like that run a successful campaign? Quite true. It is humble people like that who we should really be electing, not the prideful, boastful sorts. Of course, humility doesn't gain you votes in the Reality TV era. Agreed. As ineffective a candidate as Johnson is, I do like him, and I wish that more of our political figures shared his personality traits. Seems like a good dude. I predicted many months ago he'd run 3rd party and pull roughly equally from Obama and the Republican, or make voters out of non-voters. Ron Paul would probably endorse him and he could get high single digits. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 28, 2011, 02:24:02 PM Johnson pretty much has to run as a Libertarian after today...he missed the NH filing date.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Frodo on October 30, 2011, 07:36:30 PM Looks like Ron Paul is considering running on a third party ticket (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1011/Ron_Paul_doesnt_say_no_to_thirdparty_run.html) (likely Libertarian) -curious to see how it would play it out if Gary Johnson also decides he likes the yellow avatar more than the blue.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: redcommander on October 30, 2011, 07:37:50 PM He'll get a whopping 2% of the vote at most, and that support won't hurt Romney.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 30, 2011, 07:40:07 PM Looks like Ron Paul is considering running on a third party ticket (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/1011/Ron_Paul_doesnt_say_no_to_thirdparty_run.html) (likely Libertarian) -curious to see how it would play it out if Gary Johnson also decides he likes the yellow avatar more than the blue. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: The Mikado on October 30, 2011, 08:51:39 PM Paul/Johnson would, jokes aside, very possibly get 2-3% of the vote, which is relatively impressive for a third party candidate.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 30, 2011, 10:20:20 PM Paul/Johnson would, jokes aside, very possibly get 2-3% of the vote, which is relatively impressive for a third party candidate. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Reluctant Republican on October 30, 2011, 10:23:49 PM But one advantage to taking the Libertarian party line is that they have ballot access in the most states, meaning less work for his campaign. If Paul ran as an Independent or Constitution, he'd have to struggle a bit more.
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Brandon H on October 31, 2011, 12:08:28 AM But one advantage to taking the Libertarian party line is that they have ballot access in the most states, meaning less work for his campaign. If Paul ran as an Independent or Constitution, he'd have to struggle a bit more. In 2004 Nader ran as an Independent, but he still sought the Green Party nomination which would have given him ballot access on all of their states. Paul could possibly run as an Independent, and still seek LP and CP ballot access. However, I think Rand is going to run in 2016 or 2020 and I agree this would hurt Rand if Ron ran outside of the Republican Party. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: NCeriale on October 31, 2011, 12:19:15 AM God if Paul ran third party he'd get to troll the general election debates as well
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Zarn on October 31, 2011, 09:06:52 AM God if Paul ran third party he'd get to troll the general election debates as well Holding people to the US Constitution is trolling? Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: CatoMinor on October 31, 2011, 09:16:30 AM God if Paul ran third party he'd get to troll the general election debates as well Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Zarn on October 31, 2011, 09:18:38 AM God if Paul ran third party he'd get to troll the general election debates as well It depends on the polling. He likely will have a decent percentage, at least to start off. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Reluctant Republican on October 31, 2011, 02:43:40 PM I think Paul would have around 15% or so if and when he first ran third party. Especially if Romney's the nominee, you'd see many( though not all) conservative voters supporting him out of spite. However as the campaign progressed, I think we'd see an Anderson/Perot like effect, and Paul would steadily decline as voters decide they don't want to support a "spoiler". If he could somehow manage to get in the debates, he could do really well. The problem is he'd need to be doing really well(15%) to get in the debates to begin with, so it's sort of a chicken and egg situation.
I'd say he could maybe get up to 7% without being in the debates, but that's assuming everything went his way. 2-3% is more likely. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on October 31, 2011, 08:38:08 PM Paul/Johnson would, jokes aside, very possibly get 2-3% of the vote, which is relatively impressive for a third party candidate. You think that a candidate who can't manage 8% in the GOP primary is going to get 20% of the vote as a third-party candidate??? Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: TomC on October 31, 2011, 08:44:21 PM Paul/Johnson would, jokes aside, very possibly get 2-3% of the vote, which is relatively impressive for a third party candidate. You think that a candidate who can't manage 8% in the GOP primary is going to get 20% of the vote as a third-party candidate??? Yep. Exactly what I was going to say. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on October 31, 2011, 08:47:01 PM Paul/Johnson would, jokes aside, very possibly get 2-3% of the vote, which is relatively impressive for a third party candidate. You think that a candidate who can't manage 8% in the GOP primary is going to get 20% of the vote as a third-party candidate??? Yep. Exactly what I was going to say. Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: CultureKing on October 31, 2011, 10:33:18 PM This thread is a goldmine
Title: Re: Gary Johnson reaching out to the Libertarian Party? Post by: bgwah on November 01, 2011, 12:05:25 AM As Mikado said, even if Paul only got 3%, that would be impressive for a third party candidate (who isn't a billionaire, at least).
Depending on who the Republican is, I don't think it's impossible that Paul could get 7 or 8%. Speaking of billionaires, maybe the Libertarians could get a Koch running mate again...? :P (though that would make the ticket awful as a result). |