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Title: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 14, 2012, 12:16:32 PM
Population Growth 2001-2010

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Highest Growth By Ward

1. Inverness South 89.9%
2. East Garioch 50.6%
3. Dunfermline South 43.8%
4. Carse of Gowrie 36%
5. Cambuslang East 33.3%
6. Bonnybridge and Larbert 33.1%
7. Leith 31.3%
8. Anderston/City (Glasgow) 30.2%
9. Leith Walk 29.2%
10. Clackmannanshire West 25.3%

Lowest Growth By Ward

1. Lomond North -18.5%
2. Inverclyde South -13.4%
3. Inverclyde East -12.1%
4. Kirkintilloch East and Twechar -11.9%
5. Cumbernauld South -11.2%
6. Abronhill, Kildrum and the Village -11.2%
7. Elgin City South -10.8%
8. Lochee -10.1%
9. Wick -9.3%
10. Peterhead South and Cruden -9.1
10. Kilmarnock South -9.1


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 14, 2012, 03:28:59 PM
Quite a noticeable east/west division there. Of course that's to be expected, I suppose.

So, then... other stuff...

Still some old fashioned rural depopulation in Galloway and around Hawick, which is interesting. Bute and parts of Argyll as well, although you miss that at first because it's right next to postindustrial depression pattern areas. Is that also what's going on in Angus?

Am truly stunned to see a positive score for the Doon Valley. Presumably all of that is up at its northern end and not towards the obviously dying town of Dalmellington?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: bore on January 14, 2012, 04:02:55 PM
Great map, very interesting to pour over and I hope you've got more.

Just a few questions, are the pinkish areas in fife ex mining and what's the green area there as well, an Edinburgh commuter village?

And could I see a close up of Edinburgh city?

Thanks


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 14, 2012, 04:52:40 PM
Quite a noticeable east/west division there. Of course that's to be expected, I suppose.

So, then... other stuff...

Still some old fashioned rural depopulation in Galloway and around Hawick, which is interesting. Bute and parts of Argyll as well, although you miss that at first because it's right next to postindustrial depression pattern areas. Is that also what's going on in Angus?

Am truly stunned to see a positive score for the Doon Valley. Presumably all of that is up at its northern end and not towards the obviously dying town of Dalmellington?

Bit of background. Scotland's population is this year expected to surpass it's 1970's high.

Some of the curious results are often simply the results of the ward boundaries themselves. Elgin for example has seen a fall, but new developments around it have seen huge rises. Inverness on the whole has seen it's population leap despite a ward showing a drop. Likewise with Doon Valley the growth is in the north near Drongan and Patna so is reacting to people moving out from Ayr.

Some are still suprises though, like Penicuik which is a bright red bolthole in a sea of growth. Angus too is interesting; there's no reason for it to not show rural growth given that Dundee is shrinking.

The New Towns, Livingston excepted have all suffered in recent years due to the aging and outdated housing stock. Very pleased to see Hamilton doing well, Motherwell too.

Glasgow too has since about 2005 seen it's first rise in it's population for over 50 years.

The big problem is of course Renfrewshire and Dumbartonshire which are seeing quite exceptional falls in some areas. East Renfrewshire was voted the top local authority in Britain to raise a family but is seeing sustained drops in population particularly in areas which have seen inflated rises in house prices.

I'll do some clearer maps for Edinburgh.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: Frodo on January 14, 2012, 07:42:50 PM
Is the population shift to the east coast primarily because of the jobs generated by the North Sea oil and gas boom, or is there some other reason?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: minionofmidas on January 15, 2012, 07:04:42 AM
Is the population shift to the east coast primarily because of the jobs generated by the North Sea oil and gas boom, or is there some other reason?
That is a large part of it in and around Aberdeen (and maybe some random growing Highlands ward somewhere), but doesn't exist as a factor anywhere else.
Edinburgh just never was as dependent on now-dieing heavy industries, and is a, in parts posh (and in parts not) capital city - and that factor is growing with the slow move of relevance away from London - with a noticeable student vibe too. There's no reason in the world why it should shrink.

Just what is going on in Inverness? I read the wiki article, and they say it's booming with education, and modern hi-tech industries and stuff, but I fail to understand why, and why so spectacularly?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 17, 2012, 11:51:44 AM
Up next will be a map of the % English Born. Now this doesn't equate with being 'English'; there is a high % near the border so hospital deliveries are often performed in Carlisle for example. However the pattern elsewhere is interesting. Overall, English born make up 8% of the national population

My next plan is to display maps by religion; these figures have only been released in the past two years and had never been released before now for any previous census. I chose religion of upbringing rather than current religion to better demonstrate the 'community' side of religion.

It's worth noting that while Church of Scotland is 'first place' in most wards, in a significant number of Wards, the 2nd most popular response for religion of upbringing is 'None.' Indeed in some instanced 'None' is the top choice.

Anyhow for fun:

2001 Wards where the response 'Roman Catholic' is larger than 'Church of Scotland'

West Dumbartonshire - Whitecrook, Dalmuir, Linnvale/Drumry, Kilbowie, Duntocher, Dumbarton West.

East Renfrewshire - Barrhead East.

Glasgow - Maryhill, Milton, Keppochill, Royston, Wallacewell, Calton, Parkhead, Robroyston, Braidfauld, Crookston, Hutchesontown, Govanhill, Mount Florida (tie), Toryglen, Castlemilk, Carmunnock, Glenwood.

North Lanarkshire - New Stevenston and Carfin, Craigneuk, Cleland, Fallside, Viewpark, Mossend West and Thorndean, Mossend East and New Stevenston North, Newarthill, Townhead, Blairpark, North Central and Glenboig, Coatbridge Central, Sikeside and Carnbroe, Bargeddie and Langloan, Kirkwood, Kirkshaws, Shawhead, Old Monkland, Whinhall, Plains and Caldercruix, Chapelhall, Croy Kilsyth South and Smithston, Moodiesburn East and Blackwood North.

South Lanarkshire - Blantyre West, Coatshill/Low Blantyre, Low Waters

Western Isles - North Benbecula, Eochar, Loch Eynart, Daliburgh and Eriskay, Barra and Vatersay


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 17, 2012, 01:32:15 PM
It's also more 'useful' in that it's easier to understand its meaning if you're trying to get through the bloody form as quickly as possible; the range of possible interpretations of the other question is pretty high for something on a census form (making asking it a little questionable, but that's by the by).


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 17, 2012, 03:18:41 PM
Slight divergence here:

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Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 17, 2012, 03:48:09 PM
Same for Jews, though I've included result from 50-100. Note that the figures for Edinburgh are in likelyhood exclusively students.

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Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: bore on January 17, 2012, 03:55:42 PM
Same for Jews, though I've included result from 50-100. Note that the figures for Edinburgh are in likelyhood exclusively students.

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What's the reason for the high numbers in East Renfrewshire?Is it pre war from Eastern Europe or something completely different?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 17, 2012, 04:05:13 PM
What's the reason for the high numbers in East Renfrewshire?Is it pre war from Eastern Europe or something completely different?

Money. If you have wealth you moved out of Glasgow, where Scotland's Jewish community was based to suburbia. It was a move that took place post war and you can see that well to do Muslims did the same.

Now for the interesting part. Clarkston and Stamperland, the two white dots in the sea of blue seem to be 'devoid' of the large Jewish/Muslim community elsewhere. These are interwar estates, very similar to Bearsden to the north of Glasgow where again there isn't a big minority presence despite being absurdly middle class. This is because A. the owners/sellers of these estates didn't sell them to anyone who wasn't high church Protestant and B. They pre-date the Muslim immigration wave and pre-date the destruction of the Gorbals, at once the hub of Jewish Glasgow.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: bore on January 17, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
What's the reason for the high numbers in East Renfrewshire?Is it pre war from Eastern Europe or something completely different?

Money. If you have wealth you moved out of Glasgow, where Scotland's Jewish community was based to suburbia. It was a move that took place post war and you can see that well to do Muslims did the same.

Now for the interesting part. Clarkston and Stamperland, the two white dots in the sea of blue seem to be 'devoid' of the large Jewish/Muslim community elsewhere. These are interwar estates, very similar to Bearsden to the north of Glasgow where again there isn't a big minority presence despite being absurdly middle class. This is because A. the owners/sellers of these estates didn't sell them to anyone who wasn't high church Protestant and B. They pre-date the Muslim immigration wave and pre-date the destruction of the Gorbals, at once the hub of Jewish Glasgow.

Thanks, thats really interesting.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: Teddy (IDS Legislator) on January 17, 2012, 06:59:15 PM
Catholic map?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: minionofmidas on January 18, 2012, 06:53:05 AM
Yeah, there's barely any Asians in Edinburgh, I noticed that.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on January 18, 2012, 07:35:48 AM

Edinburgh is a bizarre city demographically. You'll find a relatively lower number of post-war migrants that you would find in other British cities but could easily find say 500 Belgians (who are not on holiday...)


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: minionofmidas on January 18, 2012, 07:42:03 AM
I remember Brazilians.
And I mean the common migration type, not rich students or finance industry international work experience types.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: bore on October 06, 2012, 02:18:42 PM
Sorry about the bump here, but I think this is the appropriate thread.

Anyway, I'm not sure if this has been posted before (if so I apologise) but I've just found this great blog which has an interactive map of scottish deprivation here: http://undertheraedar.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/scottish-index-of-multiple-deprivation.html

If anyone's interested I think the websites also got an english and welsh version as well as other maps.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: YL on October 07, 2012, 05:01:41 AM
Sorry about the bump here, but I think this is the appropriate thread.

Anyway, I'm not sure if this has been posted before (if so I apologise) but I've just found this great blog which has an interactive map of scottish deprivation here: http://undertheraedar.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/scottish-index-of-multiple-deprivation.html

If anyone's interested I think the websites also got an english and welsh version as well as other maps.

Yes, there's some interesting stuff on that blog.  Here are his deprivation maps for the other parts of the UK: Northern Ireland (http://undertheraedar.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/deprivation-in-northern-ireland.html), Wales (http://undertheraedar.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/deprivation-in-wales.html), England (http://undertheraedar.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/imd-2004-2007-2010-change-over-time.html).


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: minionofmidas on October 07, 2012, 05:26:33 AM
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Absurdly pretty.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on December 04, 2012, 08:06:52 AM
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This is a simple map of the largest response given per ward to the Religion question. Scotland in 2001 produced a significantly high number of 'None' responses, particularly in Aberdeen (which I have still to map) This is a map of Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Is there a pattern? In Glasgow you will notice that 'None' is high in the West End of the city, from the city centre through towards Hillhead and Partick. This is due to a high student population, young singles etc. Places like Hyndland/Jordanhill etc, the more settled parts of the middle class area of the city still register as CofS. However there is also a pocket in the south near Strathbungo/Langside which is also a settled part of the city. Catholics are found stretching from Maryhill, Robroyston, Cowlairs and Springburn. This was the area of the city known for heavy manufacturing and steam engines which at the early part of the last century were open to Catholics and had sympathetic trades unions. Less so in shipbuilding, which is shown starkly on this map which was a closed skilled trade until close to the end of it's decline. There is also a concentration in the east of the city; Calton and Parkhead. And that bright orange spot is Pollockshields East, one of the most middle class wards in Glasgow and home to the highest percentage of Muslims in Glasgow.

Edinburgh is home to a much smaller % of Catholics. It is also displays a tedancy to have a high concentration of 'None' in the student and young part of the city. However there are curious concentrations, notably Leith, Sighthill and the Liberton/Gilberton parts of the city all relatively working class bastions. Note again that settled middle class areas; Corstorphine,  Morningside, Portobello etc register highly as CofS.

To what extent is this divide, particularly in Glasgow cultural rather than religious? Where did the 'nones' come from?

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The graph above plots the 79 wards in Glasgow ordered by % Catholic from lowest to highest. You will note that as the number of Catholics increases so too does the number who declare as CofS until you reach wards with a 35% Catholic population at which point their numbers drop. However, look at those who declare 'None,' their numbers are higher in areas with fewer Catholics and in many instances are higher than those who say they are CofS. However as Catholics rise, they decline.

Perhaps being Catholic, at least with regard to the Census is therefore more of a cultural statement than a religious one.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: minionofmidas on December 04, 2012, 08:14:52 AM
The Catholic Church, in a historically diaspora area, being better at retaining the allegiance of its nonbelieving members than a bloodless protestant state church? Who'd have thought it?

Next you'll make a graph to show Black is darker than White.



I'd be very interested in a map of Catholic percentage by ward in Edinburgh.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on December 04, 2012, 10:04:36 AM
The Catholic Church, in a historically diaspora area, being better at retaining the allegiance of its nonbelieving members than a bloodless protestant state church? Who'd have thought it?

Next you'll make a graph to show Black is darker than White.



I'd be very interested in a map of Catholic percentage by ward in Edinburgh.

Ha! It's something I've always argued anyway (much to BRTD's chagrin) This sort of datawank just gives it a bit more plausability.


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: bore on December 04, 2012, 11:18:53 AM
Great work :), I'd also be very interested in seeing an Edinburgh catholic shade map. Particularly surprising to me in that map is Leith, which I'd have expected to be much more culturally catholic than other areas for obvious reasons.

Perhaps a reason for the high none in Liberton/Gilmerton and sighthill is the lack of anything to bind them to the church of Scotland in the way there is in Glasgow. Maybe Glasgow is more the anomaly here than Edinburgh?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: afleitch on December 05, 2012, 04:29:01 AM
Great work :), I'd also be very interested in seeing an Edinburgh catholic shade map. Particularly surprising to me in that map is Leith, which I'd have expected to be much more culturally catholic than other areas for obvious reasons.

Perhaps a reason for the high none in Liberton/Gilmerton and sighthill is the lack of anything to bind them to the church of Scotland in the way there is in Glasgow. Maybe Glasgow is more the anomaly here than Edinburgh?

What's unfortunate is that this information has only been released for the 2001 census. As such we've never really been able to follow trends. Catholic's account for over 70% in places like Barra, Vatersay, Eriskay etc which is the oldest concentration in the country. They are over 50% in places like Coatbridge Kirkshaws, Croy, Old Monkland and over 40% in Greenock, Blantyre, Uddingston, Chapelhall and parts of Dumbarton.

As for Edinburgh, any pattern that would have existed has dissapated. They make up 11% in leafy Meadowbank for example but only 12% in Leith Links. Their best showing in Edinburgh is Restalrig at 16.45%, so their isn't much of a stark divide. What may have happened of course is that their population was dispersed post-war. Looking at Glenrothes they form less than 10%. Looking at Livingston, they make up less than 15%; less than places like Blackburn and Fauldhouse. Perhaps they were never that strong to begin with?


Title: Re: Scottish Demographic Maps
Post by: bore on December 06, 2012, 11:41:33 AM
Great work :), I'd also be very interested in seeing an Edinburgh catholic shade map. Particularly surprising to me in that map is Leith, which I'd have expected to be much more culturally catholic than other areas for obvious reasons.

Perhaps a reason for the high none in Liberton/Gilmerton and sighthill is the lack of anything to bind them to the church of Scotland in the way there is in Glasgow. Maybe Glasgow is more the anomaly here than Edinburgh?

What's unfortunate is that this information has only been released for the 2001 census. As such we've never really been able to follow trends. Catholic's account for over 70% in places like Barra, Vatersay, Eriskay etc which is the oldest concentration in the country. They are over 50% in places like Coatbridge Kirkshaws, Croy, Old Monkland and over 40% in Greenock, Blantyre, Uddingston, Chapelhall and parts of Dumbarton.

As for Edinburgh, any pattern that would have existed has dissapated. They make up 11% in leafy Meadowbank for example but only 12% in Leith Links. Their best showing in Edinburgh is Restalrig at 16.45%, so their isn't much of a stark divide. What may have happened of course is that their population was dispersed post-war. Looking at Glenrothes they form less than 10%. Looking at Livingston, they make up less than 15%; less than places like Blackburn and Fauldhouse. Perhaps they were never that strong to begin with?

So ignoring the southerly Outer Hebrides its basically a map of where the catholic irish settled, and its very interesting that these patterns have continued for 150 years, although it makes it all the more surprising that there doesn't seem to be a pattern in Edinburgh. Apparently Edinburgh was 6.5% Irish born in 1851, although they did congregate in specific areas like the cowgate ( Hibs were formed out of St Patrick's church in the area by a canon Hannan) and leith. Obviously Edinburgh was never like Glasgow, but it did still have a reasonably large number, perhaps the answer is done to post war resettlement, and gentrification in areas like the cowgate, although restalrig IIRC was where many leithers were resettled. Out of interest, what's the lowest catholic percentage?