Title: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 16, 2012, 09:26:45 AM
*Help us Hillary, You're Our Only Hope will Go on an undetermined hiatus. With Huntsman bowing out of the race I've come up with what I believe is an interesting idea for a timeline.
Election: 2012
Romney/DeMint v. Obama/Biden
Romney/DeMint v. Obama/Biden
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Romney/DeMint: 276 (49.6%)
Obama/Biden: 262 (48.3%)
Election: 2016
Romney/DeMint v. Schweitzer/Kaine
Romney/DeMint v. Schweitzer/Kaine
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Romney/DeMint: 315 (51.0%)
Schweitzer/Kaine: 223 (47.3%)
Election of 2020: Nomination Fights
As 2020 neared The Republicans had reason to be happy. Unemployment stood at 5.2% and Pres. Romney held a commanding 56% approval rating. With Vice President DeMint opting out of the the Republican field became wide open. On the Democratic side the same applied. While Tim Kaine was the favorite among some in the establishment wing, many in the grassroots were opting for a much different candidate.
Among the first to announce their candidacies for the GOP nod were Senators Marco Rubio and Rand Paul. On the Democratic Side Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Sen. Tim Kaine and Rep. Annie McLane Kuster all announced their campaigns. Yet the candidate many were waiting for was the announcement of Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
With two strong conservative candidates already in the race, Former Secretary of State Jon Huntsman began to explore the possibility of running for President, once more.
Among the first to announce their candidacies for the GOP nod were Senators Marco Rubio and Rand Paul. On the Democratic Side Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Sen. Tim Kaine and Rep. Annie McLane Kuster all announced their campaigns. Yet the candidate many were waiting for was the announcement of Gov. Andrew Cuomo.
With two strong conservative candidates already in the race, Former Secretary of State Jon Huntsman began to explore the possibility of running for President, once more.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 16, 2012, 01:41:13 PM
The Republican Candidates:
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Declined:
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Sen. Paul Ryan: 2019-Present
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Gov. Scott Brown: 2019-Present
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Frm. Gov. Bob McDonnell: 2010-2014
Democratic Candidates:
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The race on both sides was open, though on the Democratic side some believed Cuomo would ultimately win. On the Republican side lied much more uncertainty. Paul, Rubio, and Haley, along with Lamontagne fought for the conservative vote, while Huntsman and Christie fought for the moderate vote. Though Christie was viewed as the favorite from many in the establishment, while others leaned towards Huntsman given his connection to the Romney Administration, for him having served as Secretary of State for the first term. While many wrote him off during his run in 2012, he was now seen by some as the heir apparent.
The real battleground lied in Iowa, for Lamontagne, despite only serving two years as governor was the favorite to win the New Hampshire Primary. Not wanting to have a replay of his mistake in the Grainte State from eight years earlier Huntsman made a play in Iowa, hoping a win there would give him the needed momentum to win the nomination.
On the Democratic side Cuomo led in all states, including the home state of Rep. Annie McLane Kuster. Kuster who was narrowly elected in 2014 after narrowly defeating State Representative Brian Murphy, Kuster was viewed by many to be the favorite among grassroots activists in the party.
Early in the process newly elected Governor Scott Brown endorsed Chris Christie for President, calling him the man who will continue the economic policies that brought America back. While The New Hampshire Union Leader endorsed Marco Rubio, calling him "the first real conservative since Ronald Reagan."
Lamontagne eventually suspended his campaign in late November, citing a lack of funds and poor polling in Iowa and a drop in New Hampshire. By December Rubio, Haley and Paul fought for first place in Iowa, while Christie hoped to capitalize on the division and pull a surprise win. Meanwhile Huntsman decided to shift his focus once again to the Granite State.
The real battleground lied in Iowa, for Lamontagne, despite only serving two years as governor was the favorite to win the New Hampshire Primary. Not wanting to have a replay of his mistake in the Grainte State from eight years earlier Huntsman made a play in Iowa, hoping a win there would give him the needed momentum to win the nomination.
On the Democratic side Cuomo led in all states, including the home state of Rep. Annie McLane Kuster. Kuster who was narrowly elected in 2014 after narrowly defeating State Representative Brian Murphy, Kuster was viewed by many to be the favorite among grassroots activists in the party.
Early in the process newly elected Governor Scott Brown endorsed Chris Christie for President, calling him the man who will continue the economic policies that brought America back. While The New Hampshire Union Leader endorsed Marco Rubio, calling him "the first real conservative since Ronald Reagan."
Lamontagne eventually suspended his campaign in late November, citing a lack of funds and poor polling in Iowa and a drop in New Hampshire. By December Rubio, Haley and Paul fought for first place in Iowa, while Christie hoped to capitalize on the division and pull a surprise win. Meanwhile Huntsman decided to shift his focus once again to the Granite State.
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"I need you help New Hampshire, now more then ever!"
Polling:
Iowa:
Paul: 24%
Rubio: 23%
Haley: 21%
Christie: 19%
Huntsman: 10%
Rubio: 23%
Haley: 21%
Christie: 19%
Huntsman: 10%
New Hampshire:
Christie: 29%
Huntsman: 24%
Paul: 21%
Rubio: 14%
Haley: 11%
Huntsman: 24%
Paul: 21%
Rubio: 14%
Haley: 11%
In a CBS interview Pres. Romney was asked about the race for the GOP nomination and on the prospects of his endorsement.
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"I have no plan to endorse right now. Certainly if it were the incumbent Vice President running, I'd endorse him, but this is a very fluid race and I'm going to wait and see how the first few contests go before I make my choice."
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"Would you like the President's endorsement?"
"Who wouldn't is probably the better question. But, look I've spoken with President Romney and he said he was going to remain neutral for part of the race and that's fine. I think we're in an age where endorsements don't matter. Senator Rubio won the Union Leaders and he's fourth or fifth in the polls in New Hampshire. It's about people, they decide these elections."
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 16, 2012, 02:18:26 PM
Iowa Caucuses:
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King: Whoever wins Iowa tonight has the real chance to shakeup this race. Christie is going strong in New Hampshire and tonight it will be interesting to see who the conservatives rally around as the alternative if you will.
Burnett: David Gergen, what do you make of Jon Huntsman's campaign, at this point?
Gergen: He's really now different than he was eight years ago. He tried to play Iowa, but when the numbers didn't move he shifted it his focus to New Hampshire again. The problem for Huntsman is he is too much the ambassador, the secretary of the state and not the politician. There is no wow factor with him. I don't expect him to do well in Iowa, but he's got to do well enough in New Hampshire that he can justify staying in. Because, Christie is the establishment pick and after tonight it's going to be either Paul or Rubio.
Burnett: What abou Haley?
Gergen: She had a some strong debate performances, but she opted out of running for reelection in 2014 so that hurt her and in Iowa she's never been able to break out of third place. Which would be find if Rubio and Paul weren't ahead of her. I can't see staying in to South Carolina unless she's number two or first tonight.
Cooper: And with that we have to interrupt because we have some of the first results from Iowa tonight, John.
King: Based on the exit polls we've been receiving Sen. Rand Paul has been sweeping the deck in every column. The biggest shift is in the electability realm. For months Governor Christie and others have said Paul was not electable, well Iowa is proving that wrong tonight. He trumps Christie in this states in terms of electability.
Breakdown: Ideology
Very Conservative: Paul: 42% Christie: 29%
Somewhat Conservative: Christie: 29% Paul: 29%
Moderate/Liberal: Christie: 40% Paul: 36%
Breakdown: Electability
Paul: 39%
Christie: 25%
Rubio: 17%
Huntsman: 11%
Haley: 6%
King: Now looking at some actual results it appears that Senator Rand Paul is leading, though Chris Christie is not far behind.
Iowa:
Paul: 28%
Christie: 26%
Rubio: 21%
Haley: 17%
Huntsman: 7%
King: CNN can now project that Former Governor and Secretary of State Jon Huntsman will finish last, in Iowa tonight and we project that Governor Haley will finish in fourth. The race is now between Paul, Rubio and Christie for first, second and third.
King: On the Democratic side we are able to much a much easier projection. Tim Kaine will finish first in Iowa tonight. An early night for the Democrats who now begin the march towards New Hampshire.
Iowa:
Kaine: 43%
Kuster: 27%
Cuomo: 15%
Schultz: 11%
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Pink: Kaine
Dark Red: Kuster
Red: Cuomo
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King: We are finally able to project that Sen. Rubio will finish third tonight, leaving the race now between Sen. Paul and Gov. Christie.
Iowa:
Paul: 28.9%
Christie: 27.0%
Final Result:
In the end Sen. Paul won the Iowa Caucuses, beating out the insurgent Chris Christie who finished a strong second. The campaign then headed to The Granite State where Huntsman hoped for a rebound, while Paul hoped to capitalize on Iowa with a slam dunk in New Hampshire.
Iowa:
Paul: 29%
Christie: 27%
Rubio: 21%
Haley: 16%
Huntsman: 6%
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Green: Paul
Black: Haley
Gold: Tied by Christie and Paul
Blue: Rubio
Orange: Christie
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Ron Paul introduces his son Rand Paul following his victory in Iowa.
Folllowing the results Debbie Wasserman Schultz ended her campaign and endorsed Tim Kaine. While Gov. Haley returned to South Carolina, but would not comment yet on the future of her campaign. As the race became to settle and candidates began to thin, the Race for the GOP nomination looked to be between Chris Christie and Rand Paul, while on the Democratic Side a three way fight between Cuomo, Kuster and Kaine.
New Hampshire: Republican Polling
Christie: 30%
Paul: 27%
Huntsman: 27%
Rubio: 8%
Haley: 5%
New Hampshire: Democratic Polling
Cuomo: 32%
Kuster: 32%
Kaine: 30%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: sentinel on January 16, 2012, 02:28:23 PM
Ron Paul would be 85 years old...
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on January 16, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
Ron Paul would be 85 years old...
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: sentinel on January 16, 2012, 02:32:50 PM
Ron Paul would be 85 years old...
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 16, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
Neat! Rand Paul / Marco Rubio (Christie's okay too though) 2020!
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 16, 2012, 07:06:12 PM
The final days going into New Hampshire were contentious at best. Christie started an onslaught of attacks against Iowa winner Rand Paul, who hoped to unseat Christie in the New Hampshire Primary. Meanwhile Huntsman hoped to pull the biggest comeback of his political career. Having turned down an opportunity to run for the senate to replace Mike Lee who ran for Governor.
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"We've got a chance to turn it around ladies and gentlemen, right here in this important state!"
But as the hours ticked away Huntsman's number did not improve and he looked poised to finish third place, yet again. The question remained: Who would come in first and second: Christie or Paul?
On the Democratic side, despite Kaine's finish in Iowa, the fight for the NH Primary raged on between NH Rep Kuster and Governor Cuomo. Kuster who ran in 2010 lost to Charlie Bass and again to him in 2012. When she ran for the third time for his seat following his retirement she stunned the political world by pulling an upset.
On the campaign trail she mingled with old voter and reminded them, "We've made history before, so there is no reason we can't do it again." Most pundits declared it would be a photo-finish.
On the Democratic side, despite Kaine's finish in Iowa, the fight for the NH Primary raged on between NH Rep Kuster and Governor Cuomo. Kuster who ran in 2010 lost to Charlie Bass and again to him in 2012. When she ran for the third time for his seat following his retirement she stunned the political world by pulling an upset.
On the campaign trail she mingled with old voter and reminded them, "We've made history before, so there is no reason we can't do it again." Most pundits declared it would be a photo-finish.
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While popular among the grassroots activists many believed she could not mount a serious national campaign to compete with the likes of Christie or Paul.
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"We can either have a government that is too big and too intrusive, or have a government that is lean and efficient. I'm going with the latter option and I would encourage my democratic friends and Governor Christie to join that bandwagon."
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"Senator Paul better hope this comment that's been circulating around was in jest, because let me tell you something...if he wants a debate between liberalism and conservatism, bring it on!"
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King: Certainly the language is becoming hostile on the campaign trail and it's a coin toss in both races for New Hampshire, but on the ground there is growing support for Paul. You saw it with his father Ron Paul in his respective campaigns and many believe that it Rand's time. I've heard this and the campaign keeps saying this, if Rand Paul wins in New Hampshire on Tuesday night, this race is nearly over.
Cooper: What about Marco Rubio? He's not playing hard in New Hampshire, but there's South Carolina?
King: Yes, but if Paul is able to win here, that's two back to back wins he sets himself up for what then Governor Romney did in 2012. Now Governor Haley is still a factor, a distant factor, but nevertheless a factor. Most polls don't put her in favor to win South Carolina, but the longer she stays in the more the conservative vote splits which helps either Christie or Huntsman.
Cooper: Is Huntsman's finished if he loses New Hampshire?
King: I believe so and the campaign is starting to look at the end game. The numbers aren't great here and unless he pulls an upset and comes in first, not second, first it's over.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on January 16, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
I'm guessing much of Christie's popularity with more conservative voters has faded as time has passed, & now he's co soludated a more moderate base.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 16, 2012, 07:59:50 PM
I'm guessing much of Christie's popularity with more conservative voters has faded as time has passed, & now he's co soludated a more moderate base.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 16, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
New Hampshire Primary:
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King: The results are coming in as we speak and we are able to see a very tight race between the two frontrunners Rand Paul and Chris Christie for first place.
NH:
Christie: 30.0%
Paul: 28.9%
King: It is certainly going to be a long night for both parties. As on the Democratic side we cannot project a winner as of yet, though Annie McLane Kuster, the Democratic Representative is leading over Andrew Cuomo.
NH:
Kuster: 33.9%
Cuomo: 31.8%
Kaine: 30.8%
Kuster: 33.9%
Cuomo: 31.8%
Kaine: 30.8%
King: Though it is now fair to say that it is a tight race with Iowa winner Tim Kaine coming in a strong third in New Hampshire. David Gergen, try to handicap this race for us tonight?
Gergen: Kuster is from the state so she should win, but Cuomo has been campaigning hard in this state from the start, so if he's able to win this and then go into South Carolina and win there he'll be able to bounce off any challenge from Kuster or Kaine. The fact is he's prepared for the long haul, Kaine's campaign is low on money, as is Kuster's.
King: Sorry to interrupt David, but CNN is now projecting tonight Governor Nikki Haley will finish fifth in New Hampshire with just over five percent of the vote.
Burnett: I think one the things we need to discuss tonight is the turnout among young people in this state, with an unprecedented amount breaking for Paul. He appears to have found a way to tap into the youth vote, similar to how his father did in his respective campaigns.
Gergen: That's one of the differences I've heard between all the comparisons with Ron Paul and Rand Paul. People say Ron Paul had the ideology, but not electability, Rand Paul has both and that's why he is doing well, especially in New Hampshire tonight. Christie is the favorite, but if Paul can keep it close or surpass him then he's in a good position to win South Carolina.
King: And John Huntsman, Gloria?
Borger: Huntsman is done unless he pulls the upset of the century, but that's not likely to happen given the numbers.
King: We have some exit polling from New Hampshire and when asked the question who is the most electable, overwhelming voters responded: Rand Paul.
Breakdown: Electability:
Paul: 49%
Christie: 30%
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King: CNN is now able to project that on the Democratic Side Representative Annie McLane Kuster will win the New Hampshire Primary.
NH:
Kuster: 35.0%
Cuomo: 34.6%
Kaine: 29.1%
Kuster: 35.0%
Cuomo: 34.6%
Kaine: 29.1%
Cooper: David, looking at those numbers does Kuster have the momentum coming out of New Hampshire, or this the year the New Hampshire primary is discounted?
Gergen: I would never say it discounted, but looking at how close the results are between Cuomo and Kuster, I think she'll have a little staying power and will be Cuomo's only challenger. Kaine is done after tonight, despite taking twenty-nine percent.
Borger: Even with that twenty-nine percent Kaine couldn't make the case to stay in?
Gergen: This is a three person race, the results are closer between Cuomo and Kuster and the fact that she won is in part because she represents a district in the state. This is similar to what happened with Bill Clinton in 1992, with his comeback kid moment. Cuomo finished poorly in Iowa, this is his moment now.
King: Turning to the Republican side the race is between Paul and Christie. CNN projected that Sen. Rubio would finish fourth and Jon Huntsman will finish third, yet again in New Hampshire. Surely Huntsman doesn't have a ticket out of New Hampshire?
Gergen: Huntsman needed to win, but the numbers weren't there. He never could break through. I've been getting reports of Huntsman's events over the last few days, and the crowds have been dismals, while Christie and Paul are drawing these enormous crowds. Look, Haley will probably dropout, rather than risk defeat in her home state, Rubio may remain in, or he might be wise to drop out and endorse either Christie or Paul.
NH: Primary
Christie: 31.1%
Paul: 30.9%
Cooper: As we watch the results tighten between Chris Christie and Rand Paul CNN has just learned that Governor Haley is suspending her campaign. She will address her supporters at eleven o'clock tonight and will end her campaign for the White House. Rubio will address shortly afterwards. And... we are just getting word that Governor Huntsman has taken to the stage to address his supporters. This was not expected, but we go live to Nashua where Governor Huntsman is speaking.
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"Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen and thank you for being here tonight. Well, third is not first, but I'm proud of our campaign and what we've done in this race. There are so many of you who have worked tirelessly not just for this campaign, but for our previous one eight years ago. I have proudly served this country as governor of Utah, As Ambassador to China under President Obama and Secretary of State under President Romney. I love this country and know that our bests days lie ahead...So it is with sadness tonight that I suspend my campaign for President. Sure we could go on, but I do not want to divide this party. I want to have us united and ready to win!
King: And there you have it Jon Huntsman ending his second bid for the White House, after an upsetting third place finish in New Hampshire...
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King: It has been a turbulent night on the Republican side with Governor Christie and Senator Paul trading places for first and second place, but tonight we are able to project that Senator Rand Paul will win the New Hampshire Primary.
NH:
Paul: 32.8%
Christie: 31.4%
Huntsman: 15.1%
Rubio: 13.9%
Haley: 5.7%
Christie: 31.4%
Huntsman: 15.1%
Rubio: 13.9%
Haley: 5.7%
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Rand Paul triumphant victory over once NH favorite Christie. "It's onto South Carolina and beyond!"
As The Republican Race narrowed between Christie and Paul and The Democratic Race narrowed between Kuster and Cuomo the foursomes headed into South Carolina, where Rand Paul hoped to accomplish what President Romney did eight years earlier. Win Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Republican Nomination:
Paul: 40%
Christie: 33%
Rubio: 20%
Undecided: 7%
Paul: 40%
Christie: 33%
Rubio: 20%
Undecided: 7%
Democratic Nomination:
Cuomo: 39%
Kuster: 39%
Kaine: 18%
South Carolina: Republican Polling
Paul: 46%
Christie: 28%
Rubio: 21%
Paul: 46%
Christie: 28%
Rubio: 21%
South Carolina: Democratic Polling
Cuomo: 37%
Kuster: 32%
Kaine: 26%
Paul v. Cuomo
Paul: 47% v. Cuomo: 43%
Paul v. Kuster
Paul: 49% v. Kuster: 42%
Christie: v. Cuomo:
Christie: 48% v. Cuomo: 42%
Christie v. Kuster
Christie: 50% v. Kuster: 38%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 17, 2012, 08:05:26 AM
Heading into South Carolina the Republican Race began to tilt towards Rand Paul, while Christie hoped to pull an much needed upset. Marco Rubio remained in the race, but his support wained and many speculated he would be finished after South Carolina.
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"Our campaign is in a very strong position heading into the state. I believe that if we win on Saturday we will be able to make the case for being the nominee of the party."President Romney, in an interview on ABC he briefly commented on the state of the Republican Race.
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"...I'm very happy with our candidates, we're going to have a strong nominee and we're going to win in November, but I will not make any endorsement yet."
While Christie and Paul went after each other, The Democratic Race seemed to be drawing to an end. Kuster lacked the funds to properly compete with Cuomo and a distant Tim Kaine tried to make a comeback, but the former Governor, Vice Presidential Nominee and incumbent Senator did not seem to connect.
South Carolina:
The results for the Democrats ended early. Andrew Cuomo came in first, trumping Kuster, handily. While it was Cuomo's first win, the media declared it a slam dunk for him. "He's on his way to the nomination."
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"Thank you South Carolina, we did it!"
South Carolina: Democratic
Cuomo: 39%
Kuster: 33%
Kaine: 24%
Most pundits declared it was Cuomo's heavy onslaught against Kuster on the airwaves that made the final difference in his six point win over Kuster. While she did not end her campaign like Kaine did that night, all knew she would finished after Florida.
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"The Liberal base loves Kuster but is it enough? No, she doesn't have the money to take the fight to Cuomo is New Hampshire and the fact is even though she won there and did well in Iowa, Cuomo has been the pick since his announcement. She was the dream candidate and like most incidence in American politics the Dreamer is defeated by reality."
On the Republican side the contest was not as decisive. Christie hoped to upset Paul by hoping the vote between Paul and Rubio would fracture, allowing him to slip by. However, with Rubio mostly diminished he lacked the influence.
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Red: Paul
Pink: Christie
Entering South Carolina Paul led Christie by eighteen points and by the primary Christie managed to close the gap to a four point lead. All though Paul won Christie spun it is a comeback, though many argued that even he closed the gap he still lost and Paul now had his third straight win.
South Carolina: Republican
Paul: 38%
Christie: 34%
Rubio: 26%
Christie: 34%
Rubio: 26%
Despite a strong insurgence Rubio ended his campaign and endorsed Rand Paul that night, who by the time of his victory speech he sounded like the nominee.[ However, Christie did not sound so defiant. /i]
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Paul sounded like the nominee and shifted his focus to likely Democratic Nominee: Cuomo.
Florida: Republican Polling
Paul: 51%
Christie: 37%
Undecided: 12%
Christie: 37%
Undecided: 12%
Florida: Democratic Polling
Cuomo: 48%
Kuster: 35%
Undecided: 17%
Kuster: 35%
Undecided: 17%
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Christie's Press Conference: "I could drag this out, but that would be selfish. I won't divide our party just so I can be satisfied."
Christie ended his challenge to Paul right before the Florida primary, making him the presumptive nominee. With Paul nearly nominated, the focus shifted to Florida, where Kuster continued her challenge to Kuster, despite running on fumes.
By primary night Kuster was still standing, albeit weakly. She finished badly behind Cuomo who swept the board. The following day she ended her campaign for President and endorsed Cuomo.
By primary night Kuster was still standing, albeit weakly. She finished badly behind Cuomo who swept the board. The following day she ended her campaign for President and endorsed Cuomo.
Florida:
Cuomo: 54%
Kuster: 39%
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"Game on Senator Paul, let's begin the race."
Cuomo v. Paul:
Paul: 46% v. Cuomo: 44%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 17, 2012, 10:39:03 PM
Yes Cuomo vs. Paul! Once again, Paul / Rubio 2020
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas on January 17, 2012, 11:39:32 PM
Go Cuomo!
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 18, 2012, 08:45:20 AM
The pick for Vice President was one that went on for months. With the primaries ending sooner than usual, Cuomo and Paul were able to begin making their cases early, while thinking about prospective Vice Presidents. The media seemed to narrow down some choices for the candidates.
Paul:
Bob McDonnell
Scott Brown
Paul Ryan
Chris Christie
Tim Pawlenty
Bob McDonnell
Scott Brown
Paul Ryan
Chris Christie
Tim Pawlenty
Cuomo:
Annie McLane Kuster
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Annie McLane Kuster
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
President Romney offered his endorsement to presumptive GOP nominee Rand Paul and held a large rally before a crowd of 5,000 people in Ohio. In his speech Romney called Paul the future of th Republican Party and a true believer in limited government, lower taxes and personal freedom.
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President Romney endorses Rand Paul for President.
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Andrew Cuomo speaks before a crowd in New Hampshire.
Andrew Cuomo continued to make his case throughout the country, and while in a stop in New Hampshire he decried Paul's campaign platform and called him, "A downright extremist who will take us so far back that we won't even recognize America!"
Paul v. Cuomo:
Paul: 45% v. Cuomo: 44%
Paul: 45% v. Cuomo: 44%
Cuomo was the first to announce his pick for Vice President in New Hampshire we he announced the selection of one time rival Annie McLane Kuster who a day before announced she would not seek reelection for Congress, prompting speculation that she was running for Vice President.
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Kuster meets with voters at a house party in Florida.
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Paul speaking in Colorado. "I was not surprised by Cuomo's pick. Two liberals who want us to be a European Welfare state. I say no to that and I know you do too!"
As The Cuomo/Kuster ticket began hitting the trail, Paul narrowed down his choice and finally selected Marco Rubio as his running mate; a pick which enthralled the Republican Party.
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Map:2020
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Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on January 18, 2012, 06:28:21 PM
Does Paul have any areas if strenght that a "normal" Republican might not?
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 18, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
Does Paul have any areas if strenght that a "normal" Republican might not?
His more left leaning views on foreign policy are appealing to disaffected Democrats.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 18, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
Does Paul have any areas if strenght that a "normal" Republican might not?
His more left leaning views on foreign policy are appealing to disaffected Democrats.
Interesting; does he have his father's crossover appeal? Would he have any chance of taking MN or IL in the general?
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 18, 2012, 07:44:15 PM
Does Paul have any areas if strenght that a "normal" Republican might not?
His more left leaning views on foreign policy are appealing to disaffected Democrats.
Interesting; does he have his father's crossover appeal? Would he have any chance of taking MN or IL in the general?
Yes, and yes.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on January 18, 2012, 07:54:38 PM
Giving the GOP MN would be a cool map.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 18, 2012, 08:40:40 PM
Giving the GOP MN would be a cool map.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 19, 2012, 06:42:39 PM
Perhaps a bump?
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 19, 2012, 07:43:29 PM
The Democratic Convention opened in Los Angeles to fanfare and a united party. The week long event included appearances by many prominent Democrats including Bill and Hillary Clinton, who both gave steering speeches in favor of Cuomo.
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Clinton reminds the Democrats why they love him.
"He is the man we need at this time in our history. They've had the White House, for eight years the Senate for eight years and the House for ten. It's time for a change and Governor Cuomo will bring us back to where we belong."
Perhaps the most shocking convention speech was that of former President Barack Obama. Having not appeared at the previous Democratic Convention due to a "conflict" Obama gave a speech that mirrored the one he gave in 2004, before he became even Senator Obama. "America is still the beacon of hope, the land of freedom and in our the moment of discontent, we find it necessary to tear each other down in hopes that we can succeed. America does not work like that. America works when all are united, all are onboard. Let's bring America together, let's get it right. For today, for tomorrow."
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Obama takes the Democrats on a trip back to 2004.
On the final night of the convention Governor Cuomo gave a speech filled with economic populism and made his best efforts to step outside the traditional liberal/conservative divide. He called on Congress to work together, he called on Republicans to join their effort, for as he put it, "Our campaign is about America, not parties. Mr. Paul seeks division, I seek unity."
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Cuomo rallies the Democrats in LA
As expected Cuomo received a bounce going out of the convention. With the first female on a Democratic ticket and a popular governor at the top Democrats had reason to be hopeful. After eight years out of the White House they were seeking a comeback.
Cuomo v. Paul
Cuomo: 48% - Paul: 44%
Who do you trust on the economy?
Cuomo: 41%
Paul: 48%
President Romney Approval Rating:
Approval: 56%
Disapproval: 34%
No Opinion: 10%
No Opinion: 10%
Unemployment Rate: August 2020
5.0%
State by State Match ups:
Ohio:
Paul 48%
Cuomo: 45%
Florida:
Paul: 50%
Cuomo: 45%
New Hampshire:
Paul: 52%
Cuomo: 42%
Pennsylvania:
Cuomo: 50%
Paul: 44%
Colorado:
Paul: 50%
Cuomo: 45%
New Mexico:
Paul: 45%
Cuomo: 44%
Minnesota:
Cuomo: 47%
Paul: 43%
Michigan:
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 46%
Illinois:
Cuomo: 52%
Paul: 43%
Wisconsin:
Paul: 47%
Cuomo: 45%
New York:
Cuomo: 61%
Paul: 35%
Kentucky:
Paul: 62%
Cuomo: 33%
Maine:
Cuomo: 48%
Paul: 45%
Paul 48%
Cuomo: 45%
Florida:
Paul: 50%
Cuomo: 45%
New Hampshire:
Paul: 52%
Cuomo: 42%
Pennsylvania:
Cuomo: 50%
Paul: 44%
Colorado:
Paul: 50%
Cuomo: 45%
New Mexico:
Paul: 45%
Cuomo: 44%
Minnesota:
Cuomo: 47%
Paul: 43%
Michigan:
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 46%
Illinois:
Cuomo: 52%
Paul: 43%
Wisconsin:
Paul: 47%
Cuomo: 45%
New York:
Cuomo: 61%
Paul: 35%
Kentucky:
Paul: 62%
Cuomo: 33%
Maine:
Cuomo: 48%
Paul: 45%
Though the Democrats left Los Angeles united and ready for victory some of the recent polling in many of the key battleground states showed Paul leading Cuomo, in some cases by double digits a la New Hampshire. Compared to the numbers of 2012 and 2016 Cuomo knew he needed to make in roads if he was going to keep the states won by Obama and Schweitzer and flip the states won by Romney.
2012/2016: Key Battleground Results
Ohio:
Romney: 49%
Obama: 48%
Ohio:
Romney: 54%
Schweitzer: 43%
Florida:
Romney: 50%
Obama: 48%
Florida:
Romney: 51%
Schweitzer: 47%
Pennsylvania:
Obama: 49.5%
Romney: 49.2%
Pennsylvania:
Romney: 51%
Schweitzer: 46%
New Hampshire:
Romney: 51%
Obama: 46%
New Hampshire:
Romney: 55%
Schweitzer: 44%
Michigan:
Obama: 49.3%
Romney: 49.0%
Michigan:
Romney: 50%
Schweitzer: 48%
Wisconsin:
Obama: 50%
Romney: 48%
Wisconsin:
Romney: 51%
Schweitzer: 48%
Romney: 49%
Obama: 48%
Ohio:
Romney: 54%
Schweitzer: 43%
Florida:
Romney: 50%
Obama: 48%
Florida:
Romney: 51%
Schweitzer: 47%
Pennsylvania:
Obama: 49.5%
Romney: 49.2%
Pennsylvania:
Romney: 51%
Schweitzer: 46%
New Hampshire:
Romney: 51%
Obama: 46%
New Hampshire:
Romney: 55%
Schweitzer: 44%
Michigan:
Obama: 49.3%
Romney: 49.0%
Michigan:
Romney: 50%
Schweitzer: 48%
Wisconsin:
Obama: 50%
Romney: 48%
Wisconsin:
Romney: 51%
Schweitzer: 48%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 19, 2012, 09:02:32 PM
Neat. President Paul please ;). Seriously though, I'm really liking this TL.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 19, 2012, 09:53:59 PM
Neat. President Paul please ;). Seriously though, I'm really liking this TL.
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on January 20, 2012, 08:09:28 AM
Map-wise, I think it'd be fun to hand over more of the South-West to the Democrats while giving Republicans gains in the Mid-West.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 20, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
NEW MAP SHAKES GOP GOING INTO CONVENTION
Heading into their convention, The Republicans received news that was most unsettling. Some key battleground states that once favored Paul were now showing a shift towards Cuomo, particularly in the states of Virginia, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado and Missouri.
Missouri:
Paul: 46%
Cuomo: 46%
Virginia:
Cuomo: 47%
Paul: 45%
North Carolina:
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 45%
Arizona:
Cuomo: 50%
Paul: 45%
Nevada:
Cuomo: 50%
Paul: 44%
Colorado:
Cuomo: 48%
Paul: 45%
Paul: 46%
Cuomo: 46%
Virginia:
Cuomo: 47%
Paul: 45%
North Carolina:
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 45%
Arizona:
Cuomo: 50%
Paul: 45%
Nevada:
Cuomo: 50%
Paul: 44%
Colorado:
Cuomo: 48%
Paul: 45%
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On his show Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough described the change in polling. "I think Cuomo is being very careful not to run like Barack Obama. He's reaching out to those more moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats who helped elect and reelect Mitt Romney in 2012 and 2016. Now clearly Paul is the frontrunner, even if he won't admit it, and Cuomo is the underdog, but I'd watch out for Cuomo, because he's a popular governor from one of the largest states in the country and has governed not as a liberal far left guy, but more on centre-left."
Going into the convention Democrats painted Paul as a extremist and a radical Republican, while Republicans were hoping for a slam dunk out of the convention. One unnamed Republican said the week of the convention: "If this were Christie, or even Rubio on the top of the ticket, we'd be leading by double digits. The fact that we're only leading by two or three or trailing by two or three is not a good sign going into the fall."
Going into the convention Democrats painted Paul as a extremist and a radical Republican, while Republicans were hoping for a slam dunk out of the convention. One unnamed Republican said the week of the convention: "If this were Christie, or even Rubio on the top of the ticket, we'd be leading by double digits. The fact that we're only leading by two or three or trailing by two or three is not a good sign going into the fall."
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In an interview at the convention Ron Paul decries attacks against his son, and calls Cuomo "The Great Pretender." When pressed on what he meant by the remark, Paul responded, "He's running around saying all this nonsense about liberty and freedom and personal responsibility and I'm like wow, who is this guy he must be a Republican at least, but he's not. He'll stoop to whatever level he has to in order to win and Rand will have to call him out on it."
Cuomo v. Paul: Day of Marco Rubio's Speech
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 44%
Paul: 44%
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Safe R: 158
Safe D: 166
Tossup: 133
Lean R: 51
Lean D: 30
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 21, 2012, 03:12:58 AM
Uh-oh...I think I know what that means....
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 21, 2012, 09:34:42 AM
The Republican Convention started well and end greatly. Pres. Romney started the week off with a speech that touted the economic success of the past eight years and how under Pres. Paul America would continue to see prosperity and peace for years to come.
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"Governor Cuomo is a nice guy, but his vision of America is what we left eight years. Do you we want to return that America? No, way, no how."
Other speeches included a key note by Sen. Paul Ryan, the Vice Presidential Acceptance speech by Rubio brought the house down.
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"I believe in America where opportunity rises and hope still lives. I love this country. Sen. Paul loves this country and yes, Gov. Cuomo loves this country. Both men want to see this country succeed, the only difference is we're right and they're wrong."
On the final night of the convention Sen. Paul accepted the nomination and gave a speech filled with personal anecdotes, his vision of America, and throughout the speech he never mentioned Cuomo by name, only by saying the democrats. In his closing remarks Rand Paul spoke of his father Ron Paul and by the end there wasn't a dry eye in the house.
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Tonight I am mostly here because of my father. My father is no stranger to American politics and to the cause of liberty. But my father is someone who has been my greatest advisor, my greatest champion and yes, my friend. Tonight I accept this nomination with great honor and pride, but I also accept with the belief that the cause he has championed throughout his life will finally be reached. America that day is now!"
Following the convention Paul rocketed to the head of the polls, taking a commanding lead of Cuomo for the first time. The battleground states started to tighten and the focus shifted towards the debates which many believed would be decisive in the end result of the election.
Paul vs. Cuomo
Paul: 51%
Cuomo: 45%
Paul: 51%
Cuomo: 45%
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Tossup: 114
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Scarborough: Chris, you have to admit people like Rand Paul and it's not just those who supported Ron Paul. These are democrats, republicans and independent alike. I remember when Pres. Romney accepted the nomination in 2012 after narrowly defeating Gingrich, people were pissed, now we see how everything turned out, but now it seems like the Republican Party is united for the first time really since Ronald Reagan in 1980.
Matthews: Jeez Joe, you can't be comparing Rand Paul to Ronald Reagan?
Scarborough: Chris, I know you don't like to admit it but he talks about conservatism in a way that Romney could not. He's not a moderate, he's one hundred percent conservative and if elected we will go to the right of Mitt Romney.
Matthews: And that's a good thing?
Scarborough: Look, I don't expect Roe v. Wade to be overturned, but we will see this country move further to the right on economic issues to say the least. Romney has been a good fiscal conservative and perhaps one of his smartest moves at least with some in the base was appointing Paul, Ron Paul chairman of the Federal Reserve. Now under a Pres. Paul, who knows the FED may be gone or severely diminished and on matters of foreign policy we'll see a shift more towards a libertarian view, though not in the same vein as his father but close.
Matthews: All I can say is God help us if this man wins.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 21, 2012, 09:54:52 AM
As the month of September got underway Cuomo hoped to champion economic populism as a way to win the White House, while Sen. Paul touted the prosperity of the last eight years and what would happen in the future. However the Cuomo campaign received a shocking and unsettling blow. Vice Presidential nominee Annie Kuster called Cuomo late in the night and announced she would leaving the ticket, citing a recent health discovery that required immediate action.[
Cuomo accepted her departure and in a speech the following morning Kuster made her announcement public. Many speculated on the state of her health, but she offered no comment. With the Democrats without a Vice President, the Cuomo campaign immediately found a replacement, by choosing the person they originally sought for the role. Governor of Texas...Bill White.
Cuomo accepted her departure and in a speech the following morning Kuster made her announcement public. Many speculated on the state of her health, but she offered no comment. With the Democrats without a Vice President, the Cuomo campaign immediately found a replacement, by choosing the person they originally sought for the role. Governor of Texas...Bill White.
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Kuster bids farewell.
The incumbent Governor of Texas Bill White was seen a shock pick to some and a brilliant pick by others. For in some eyes it now meant the state of Texas was in play. Bill White, the former Mayor of Houston, originally ran for Governor against then incumbent Rick Perry. Following Perry's failed presidential campaign in 2012 he decided not to seek reelection in 2014, which allowed White to run for Governor again. In a close election he defeated former Mayor of Houston Tom Leppert. White then run reelection in 2018 and won easily, propelling him into the spotlight.
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"I am honored and humbled to be the Vice Presidential nominee for the Democratic Party and I know this time we're going to flip Texas back to where it belongs."
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Niemeyerite on January 21, 2012, 10:31:52 AM
Greeeeat
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Pingvin on January 21, 2012, 10:32:29 AM
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 21, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
We want Paul! ;)
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 22, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
In the first of three presidential debates Paul and Cuomo largely stuck to their talking points and neither campaign made any serious gaffe or misstep. However, during the latter half of the debate Paul spoke on the topic of the Federal Reserve and challenge Cuomo to respond.
" I love how you advocate Governor," Paul quipped. "That you're a proponent of free markets and capitalism, but yet won't even suggest an audit of the Federal reserve. I believe in the free markets and allowing the market to regulate itself, not having some shadowy puppet figure pull the strings. It should be the Congress' role in regulating money, not the Federal Reserve Bank, and Governor if you can't agree with me on this then your credibility on free markets and capitalism itself is downright laughable."
Following the debate Paul's lead over Cuomo continued to grow, causing dismay in the Cuomo campaign. Despite the tapping of Texas Governor Bill White the campaign seemed to be stalled as Paul blew past them in many of the battleground states.
"Cuomo is doing not poorly, but certainly not great in the states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Florida. All four states were won by President Romney four years ago. Now to add insult to injury Minnesota the long stable democratic state is toss up at this point. This is a state where Cuomo didn't think he'd had to contest, now he has to spend the time and resources in a state that he should win easily."
Gloria Borger interjected, "John looking at the map now what is a feasible win for Andrew Cuomo?"
"If Paul carries all the states Romney won in 2016, plus Montana he wins a commanding victory of 318 to 220. Now the Cuomo campaign believes Michigan will flip back to the Democrats, so let's give them that. Paul still wins 302 to 236. Better but still not at the magic number. For Cuomo the important states lie in the south west, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Colorado and New Mexico have gone Democrat since 2008, Cuomo needs to keep those, flip Nevada and Arizona into the Democratic column and he gets closer, 282 for Paul, 253 for Cuomo. Then he needs to look to flip either Ohio or Pennsylvania. He wins Ohio, he reaches 271, one over the minimum needed. So it is a long race and the odds are favoring Senator Paul, but if he can make a play for the states in the southwest while holding the ones won by Schweitzer in 2016 he should do fine."
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Paul in the first Presidential Debate
" I love how you advocate Governor," Paul quipped. "That you're a proponent of free markets and capitalism, but yet won't even suggest an audit of the Federal reserve. I believe in the free markets and allowing the market to regulate itself, not having some shadowy puppet figure pull the strings. It should be the Congress' role in regulating money, not the Federal Reserve Bank, and Governor if you can't agree with me on this then your credibility on free markets and capitalism itself is downright laughable."
Following the debate Paul's lead over Cuomo continued to grow, causing dismay in the Cuomo campaign. Despite the tapping of Texas Governor Bill White the campaign seemed to be stalled as Paul blew past them in many of the battleground states.
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On CNN's the Situation Room with John King, King explained the scenario for the Cuomo campaign going forward. "Cuomo is doing not poorly, but certainly not great in the states of Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Florida. All four states were won by President Romney four years ago. Now to add insult to injury Minnesota the long stable democratic state is toss up at this point. This is a state where Cuomo didn't think he'd had to contest, now he has to spend the time and resources in a state that he should win easily."
Gloria Borger interjected, "John looking at the map now what is a feasible win for Andrew Cuomo?"
"If Paul carries all the states Romney won in 2016, plus Montana he wins a commanding victory of 318 to 220. Now the Cuomo campaign believes Michigan will flip back to the Democrats, so let's give them that. Paul still wins 302 to 236. Better but still not at the magic number. For Cuomo the important states lie in the south west, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico. Colorado and New Mexico have gone Democrat since 2008, Cuomo needs to keep those, flip Nevada and Arizona into the Democratic column and he gets closer, 282 for Paul, 253 for Cuomo. Then he needs to look to flip either Ohio or Pennsylvania. He wins Ohio, he reaches 271, one over the minimum needed. So it is a long race and the odds are favoring Senator Paul, but if he can make a play for the states in the southwest while holding the ones won by Schweitzer in 2016 he should do fine."
Paul v. Cuomo:
Paul: 51%
Cuomo: 45%
Paul: 51%
Cuomo: 45%
Key States:
Texas:
Paul: 54%
Cuomo: 44%Minnesota:
Paul: 47%
Cuomo: 45%
Paul: 47%
Cuomo: 45%
Colorado:
Paul: 46%
Cuomo: 44%
Paul: 46%
Cuomo: 44%
Arizona:
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 45%
Cuomo: 46%
Paul: 45%
New Mexico:
Paul: 47%
Cuomo: 47%
Paul: 47%
Cuomo: 47%
New Hampshire:
Paul: 53%
Cuomo: 44%
Paul: 53%
Cuomo: 44%
Ohio:
Paul: 49%
Cuomo: 45%
Paul: 49%
Cuomo: 45%
The campaign began it's final stretch with the Vice Presidential Debates and the last of the Presidential ones. In the Vice Presidential Debate Rubio was seen as the winner by a landslide, while in the second Presidential Debate it was seen as Cuomo came ahead of Paul, but by the final Paul seemed to regain his momentum and by many accounts won the final debate. The only question remained if Paul's momentum would hold and carry him to the election, or if Cuomo could pull the big upset...
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Paul visits New Hampshire on his forty-seventh visit, compared to Cuomo's twelve.
Final Poll: October 31st - November 2nd
Paul: 50%
Cuomo: 46%
Cuomo: 46%
"All we have to do is count the ballots and see." -- Sen. Rand Paul 11/2/20 in St. Paul, Minnesota
"I believe tomorrow we'll pull a surprise not just on the pundits and pollsters, but on the Republicans. Your time is up." -- Gov. Andrew Cuomo 11/2/20 in Arizona City, Arizona
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Vern on January 22, 2012, 02:46:41 PM
North Carolina will be lean Dem by 2020... everyone knows this..
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 22, 2012, 03:57:09 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: sentinel on January 22, 2012, 06:52:09 PM
I'm not sure how much traction Paul's view would get in the general election --regardless you have me hooked.
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 22, 2012, 11:55:52 PM
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 23, 2012, 07:06:27 AM
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Good Evening America and welcome to MSNBC's coverage of Election Night 2020. Joining me are Chris Matthews, Chris Hayes, Lawrence O'Donnell and Steve Schmidt. Reports we've been receiving all day project record turnouts, not seen really since 2008, so the question is who does this benefit?
Matthews: It has to benefit Cuomo, many voters were undecided going in and broke for him today.
Maddow: The first round of exit polling show that young voters those 18 to 29 are breaking heavily for Paul. So he is doing well among those groups that either voter for Obama in 2008 and then were turned or returned in lower numbers...and we can make our first series of projection for the Presidency.
In the state of Vermont we project that Governor Cuomo has won over Sen Paul. A traditional democratic state, at this time we project Governor Cuomo will take roughly fifty-eight percent of the vote.
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58% - 40%
In the state of Kentucky and South Carolina we project that Sen. Paul has won. Two reliably safe Republican states, with the former being the home state of the senator.
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62% - 36%
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57% - 41%
The polls are closed in three other states and we believe then we will be able to project Georgia and Indiana for Mr. Paul, while Virginia remains too close to call...
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Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 23, 2012, 06:45:44 PM
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Maddow: ...As the polls close we are unable to project winners for the following six states: Missouri, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio and New Hampshire. While Florida is expected to go for Senator Paul tonight as is New Hampshire, the fact that Missouri is too close to call as well as North Carolina bodes well for Governor Cuomo.
Schmidt: Cuomo is tapping into some more moderate voters who might be turned off by Paul and that is why we're seeing such a close race in Missouri and North Carolina.
Matthews: In 2008 Barack Obama narrowly won North Carolina, Romney narrowly took it back in 2012 and the same in 2016. This state is trending Democrat, as it Missouri. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or both of the states go for Paul tonight.
Missouri:
Paul: 49.3%
Cuomo: 49.0%
Paul: 49.3%
Cuomo: 49.0%
North Carolina:
Cuomo: 49.2%
Paul: 49.1%
Cuomo: 49.2%
Paul: 49.1%
Maddow: And at this time MSNBC is now calling the state of New Hampshire for Senator Paul. He wins it with almost fifty-three percent...
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52.9% - 45.3%
9:16
Maddow: Still many states outstanding nearly thirty minutes after nine on this election night. This is a very fluid race and right before we went to break we projected that Governor Cuomo won North Carolina. A complete upset, no one saw this coming and clearly shows that Cuomo is not finished yet.(
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O'Donnell: What truly stuns me is that Texas has not yet been called, at almost nine thirty. Now I expect Paul to carry it, but the fact that it is undecided tells me that many of the undecided voters are breaking for Cuomo.
Maddow: And to add more claim to that theory MSNBC is now projecting that Governor Cuomo has won the state of Missouri.
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50.1% - 49.0%
Matthews: Wow, this night just got a lot more interesting...
10:25
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Matthews: ...A strong economy, peace, low unemployment and Cuomo is doing this well. I just find it incredible tonight.
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Maddow: And at this time MSNBC is projecting that Senator Paul has won the state of Virginia, as well as the state of Iowa.()
50.9% - 48.1%
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51.0% - 46.9%
Maddow: Turning now to Chris Hayes, do things look like their starting to fall into place for the Paul campaign?
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Hayes: Yes and no. I think it a lot will depend on which way Ohio goes. It appears that Cuomo's southwestern strategy, picking up Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, with the last one being the most important. Then we see him winning North Carolina which has trended Democrat in recent years and now Missouri this shows the unsteadiness of this race. However what I'm most interested in is Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota. The fact that these states are undecided at almost eleven o'clock must be giving the Cuomo campaign reason to worry.
Maddow: And worry they must, MSNBC is now projecting that Michigan has gone for Senator Paul.
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50.5% - 48.4%
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Minnesota:
Paul: 49.11%
Cuomo: 48.87%
Paul: 49.11%
Cuomo: 48.87%
Wisconsin:
Paul: 48.88%
Cuomo: 48.65%
Paul: 48.88%
Cuomo: 48.65%
Ohio:
Paul: 49.50%
Cuomo: 49.37%
Paul: 49.50%
Cuomo: 49.37%
Nevada:
Cuomo: 50.00%
Paul: 49.30%
Cuomo: 50.00%
Paul: 49.30%
Popular Vote: (10:43 PM)
Paul: 49.9%
Cuomo: 48.0%
Cuomo: 48.0%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 23, 2012, 06:57:51 PM
BREAKING NEWS
Maddow: MSNBC is making a retraction from an early call made this evening. It now appears that the results in Missouri are shifting from Governor Cuomo back to undecided. We are retracting the win for Governor Cuomo is Missouri. Please stay with MSNBC after this break as we head towards the eleve o'clock closings on the west coast
Missouri:
Cuomo: 49.64%
Paul: 49.49%
Cuomo: 49.64%
Paul: 49.49%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 24, 2012, 05:24:10 PM
11:10
Maddow: With Ohio now going for Sen. Paul the mood is reportedly subdued at Cuomo's Headquarters. With Minnesota leaning towards Paul as is Wisconsin is this over Chris?(
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Matthews: It's difficult, not impossible but difficult given the states remaining.
Schmidt: It's over, and I'm not talking as a partisan here, I'm just looking at the facts. Wisconsin will go to Paul and so will Minnesota. The numbers are not improving for Cuomo, especially when you have Paul beating Cuomo is areas won easily by Obama and Schweitzer in 2012 and 2016 respectively.
Maddow: Steve you must have clairvoyant powers, because MSNBC is now calling the state of Wisconsin and it's ten electoral votes for Senator Paul.
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49.9% - 48.7%
Maddow: With Wisconsin in the Paul column he is just shy seven electoral votes needed to become President of the United States...
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Popular Vote: 11:20
Paul: 50.2%
Cuomo: 47.8%
Cuomo: 47.8%
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: sentinel on January 24, 2012, 05:40:54 PM
Intense, I'm rooting for Cuomo. Maybe a switched version of 2000?
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Simfan34 on January 24, 2012, 05:47:59 PM
Stop the monster!
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 24, 2012, 08:36:33 PM
Maddow: We are still looking at the four states which remain undecided. It is moving towards the witching hour here on the east coast and here are the results thus far for the contested states.
Maddow: And it appears that we can project Oregon for Governor Cuomo. Looking at Missouri which we called for Governor Cuomo earlier but later retracted.
Maddow: With ninety-ninety percent of the vote counted we are being told that Senator Paul will contest the votes in the state and a recount will be order beginning tomorrow. Looking now to Nevada. We thought we might be able to project it for Governor Cuomo, but we had to move it back into the undecided column.
Maddow: Of course the state we've been watching all night is Minnesota, the vote is extremely close and with ninety-nine percent in and counted Senator Paul leads Governor Cuomo by about fifty-five votes.
Maddow: Obviously that state as well will be headed towards a recount and with the time now being a little past twelve we have yet to project a winner for President.
Maddow: ...MSNBC is now calling the state of Nevada for Governor Cuomo. Governor Cuomo will carry Nevada, bringing his total to 252 electoral votes to Senator Paul's 266. This election will now be decided by two states Minnesota and Missouri, and both will be begin the recount process later this morning.
Maddow: It is now one thirty here on the east coast and MSNBC is ready to make a projection for the Presidency...
Maddow: The recounts are underway this morning, after a wild election night ride Senator Rand Paul is projected to be the 46th President of the United States of America, but will the recounts hand the election to Cuomo. While Paul leads by a significant margin in the popular vote, only fourteen electoral votes separate the two men.
In Minnesota where Rand Paul won by fifty-five votes, some data we are receiving it showing that those numbers are even closer. The latest report has Senator Paul up by only thirty votes...
In Missouri where Governor Cuomo beat Senator Paul by point a fourth of a point, the new data from the recount shows an even closer than expected race. So even with Senator Paul being put over the top this election is far from over, as the recounts will decide whether Paul remains President-elect and will be the next President of the United States, or if Governor Cuomo will be the next man to occupy the Oval Office. A fascinating night and fascinating election. We now go live to the White House where President Romney is commenting on the results.
Oregon:
Cuomo: 50.1%
Paul: 48.9%
Cuomo: 50.1%
Paul: 48.9%
Maddow: And it appears that we can project Oregon for Governor Cuomo. Looking at Missouri which we called for Governor Cuomo earlier but later retracted.
Missouri:
Cuomo: 49.58%
Paul: 49.52%
Cuomo: 49.58%
Paul: 49.52%
Maddow: With ninety-ninety percent of the vote counted we are being told that Senator Paul will contest the votes in the state and a recount will be order beginning tomorrow. Looking now to Nevada. We thought we might be able to project it for Governor Cuomo, but we had to move it back into the undecided column.
Nevada:
Cuomo: 49.67%
Paul: 49.50%
Cuomo: 49.67%
Paul: 49.50%
Maddow: Of course the state we've been watching all night is Minnesota, the vote is extremely close and with ninety-nine percent in and counted Senator Paul leads Governor Cuomo by about fifty-five votes.
Minnesota:
Paul: 49.56%
Cuomo: 49.54%
Paul: 49.56%
Cuomo: 49.54%
Maddow: Obviously that state as well will be headed towards a recount and with the time now being a little past twelve we have yet to project a winner for President.
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Popular Vote: 12:11
Paul: 50.0%
Cuomo: 48.1%
Cuomo: 48.1%
1:12
Maddow: ...MSNBC is now calling the state of Nevada for Governor Cuomo. Governor Cuomo will carry Nevada, bringing his total to 252 electoral votes to Senator Paul's 266. This election will now be decided by two states Minnesota and Missouri, and both will be begin the recount process later this morning.
Missouri:
Cuomo: 49.57%
Paul: 49.53%
Minnesota:
Paul: 49.56%
Cuomo: 49.54%
Maddow: It is now one thirty here on the east coast and MSNBC is ready to make a projection for the Presidency...
The Decision...For The Moment!
Paul Wins, Narrowly. Recounts to follow.
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Paul greets supporters at 2:20 AM, after reaching 276 electoral votes.
With Minnesota and Missouri going respectively for Paul and Cuomo, the recount process in the two states got underway. While Paul had crossed the finish line, it was a weak finish and the Cuomo campaign believed that with the recount in Minnesota there would be enough votes to shift and put them over the top.
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Popular Vote: 8:21 AM
Paul: 49.7%
Cuomo: 48.5%
Cuomo: 48.5%
Maddow: The recounts are underway this morning, after a wild election night ride Senator Rand Paul is projected to be the 46th President of the United States of America, but will the recounts hand the election to Cuomo. While Paul leads by a significant margin in the popular vote, only fourteen electoral votes separate the two men.
In Minnesota where Rand Paul won by fifty-five votes, some data we are receiving it showing that those numbers are even closer. The latest report has Senator Paul up by only thirty votes...
In Missouri where Governor Cuomo beat Senator Paul by point a fourth of a point, the new data from the recount shows an even closer than expected race. So even with Senator Paul being put over the top this election is far from over, as the recounts will decide whether Paul remains President-elect and will be the next President of the United States, or if Governor Cuomo will be the next man to occupy the Oval Office. A fascinating night and fascinating election. We now go live to the White House where President Romney is commenting on the results.
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"What a night. (Chuckles) This is a nail biter for sure and while I have spoken with Senator Paul and Governor Cuomo and congratulated Senator Paul on what I believe is a victory, I don't know as you do who won. The recounts are going on as we speak, so we will just wait, but gosh this is how democracy works and surely after last night it is quite clear that every vote counts. So we will wait for the final word, but my team and I will be making the preparations for the transition, regardless if Senator Paul or Governor Cuomo assumes this office come January. For the Presidency does not belong to one person or one party, it belongs to the American people and we will carry through this sacred tradition and process in light of the uncertainty with the election.
Mr. President, has Senator Paul been briefed on National Security?
Senator Paul, technically is President-elect, so we will go through this process, thought it will not be a full on transition as there is some doubt about whether my successor will be Senator Paul or Governor Cuomo. Now hopefully by the end of today this will all be sorted out and we can get back to business."
Mr. President, has Senator Paul been briefed on National Security?
Senator Paul, technically is President-elect, so we will go through this process, thought it will not be a full on transition as there is some doubt about whether my successor will be Senator Paul or Governor Cuomo. Now hopefully by the end of today this will all be sorted out and we can get back to business."
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 25, 2012, 07:26:38 PM
Awesome! How was 2020 for the congressional GOP?
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 25, 2012, 08:04:03 PM
Congressional Results:
The GOP won control in 2010, in part with the help of Tea Party which at the time was viewed as a force to be reckon with. By the 2012 elections, with the nomination of Mitt Romney whatever power the movement held, was finally diminished. In 2012, following the defeat of Obama, the GOP swept control of Senate, creating a trifecta with both the House and White House. The GOP made more picks up in 2014 and 2016 and held onto their majorities through 2018. John Boehner remained Speaker of the House until 2019, following his departure Rep. Kevin McCarthy succeeded him beating out once thought likely Speaker Eric Cantor.
The 2020 election favored the Republicans, but in the surprising turn of events the Democrats made major inroads in the House and Senate. The GOP narrowly retained control of the House, but the Democrats practically made the Senate an equally divided house, with an independent member being the culprit.
The 2020 election favored the Republicans, but in the surprising turn of events the Democrats made major inroads in the House and Senate. The GOP narrowly retained control of the House, but the Democrats practically made the Senate an equally divided house, with an independent member being the culprit.
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In regards to the Presidential elections, the results of the recount continued to pour in throughout the day. Originally it was believed Paul won by fifty-five votes, but by mid morning it was down to thirty votes and by the evening he led by only seventeen votes...
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 25, 2012, 08:38:07 PM
7:59 PM
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At 7:59, the Minnesota State Canvassing Board officially certified the winner of the Election Results in Minnesota, and thus the Presidency...
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Cuomo makes his way to the podium...
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Father and Son have a brief discussion before going to make an address...
The winner of Minnesota, by the razor thin margin of eight votes, the next Presient of the United States is...
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 25, 2012, 11:21:56 PM
Paul!!!
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Simfan34 on January 25, 2012, 11:26:18 PM
Go Cuomo!
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 26, 2012, 12:20:32 AM
No >:O
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Pingvin on January 26, 2012, 01:15:59 AM
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: sentinel on January 26, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
Here's where the twist happens and you kill off both :D
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: adrac on January 26, 2012, 01:19:14 PM
This much cliffhanger is shameless.
(Go Cuomo).
(Go Cuomo).
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: NHI on January 26, 2012, 02:16:58 PM
PAUL WINS RECOUNT, AND PRESIDENCY
Minnesota:
Paul:49.54%
Cuomo: 49.53%
Cuomo: 49.53%
Paul won the recount in Minnesota by eight votes. Despite the closeness in the North Star State, Paul managed to win the popular vote by one point, not a landslide, but certainly not Gore v. Bush in 2000. Cuomo, who conceded graciously was not dismissed and many believed having narrowly lost could gear up for 2024 and run again...
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Rand Paul/Marco Rubio: 276 Electoral Votes 49.6% popular vote
Andrew Cuomo/Bill White: 262 Electoral Votes 48.5% Popular Vote
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President-elect Paul makes his way through the hall, on his last day in the Senate...
Epilogue: Four Years Later
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Andrew Cuomo/Jon Tester: 275 Electoral Votes 48.7% Popular Vote
Rand Paul/Marco Rubio: 263 Electoral Votes: 48.8% Popular Vote
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 26, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
This was a great TL! At least PRESIDENT Paul won the popular vote his second time
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on January 27, 2012, 06:15:09 AM
Congressional Results:
The GOP won control in 2010, in part with the help of Tea Party which at the time was viewed as a force to be reckon with. By the 2012 elections, with the nomination of Mitt Romney whatever power the movement held, was finally diminished. In 2012, following the defeat of Obama, the GOP swept control of Senate, creating a trifecta with both the House and White House. The GOP made more picks up in 2014 and 2016 and held onto their majorities through 2018. John Boehner remained Speaker of the House until 2019, following his departure Rep. Kevin McCarthy succeeded him beating out once thought likely Speaker Eric Cantor.
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Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 28, 2012, 12:41:34 AM
Congressional Results:
The GOP won control in 2010, in part with the help of Tea Party which at the time was viewed as a force to be reckon with. By the 2012 elections, with the nomination of Mitt Romney whatever power the movement held, was finally diminished. In 2012, following the defeat of Obama, the GOP swept control of Senate, creating a trifecta with both the House and White House. The GOP made more picks up in 2014 and 2016 and held onto their majorities through 2018. John Boehner remained Speaker of the House until 2019, following his departure Rep. Kevin McCarthy succeeded him beating out once thought likely Speaker Eric Cantor.
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On the coattails of a popular, moderate Republican president? It's a strong possibility
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on January 28, 2012, 11:35:12 AM
Congressional Results:
The GOP won control in 2010, in part with the help of Tea Party which at the time was viewed as a force to be reckon with. By the 2012 elections, with the nomination of Mitt Romney whatever power the movement held, was finally diminished. In 2012, following the defeat of Obama, the GOP swept control of Senate, creating a trifecta with both the House and White House. The GOP made more picks up in 2014 and 2016 and held onto their majorities through 2018. John Boehner remained Speaker of the House until 2019, following his departure Rep. Kevin McCarthy succeeded him beating out once thought likely Speaker Eric Cantor.
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On the coattails of a popular, moderate Republican president? It's a strong possibility
Title: Re: The Fight of 2020
Post by: Jerseyrules on January 28, 2012, 01:19:36 PM
Congressional Results:
The GOP won control in 2010, in part with the help of Tea Party which at the time was viewed as a force to be reckon with. By the 2012 elections, with the nomination of Mitt Romney whatever power the movement held, was finally diminished. In 2012, following the defeat of Obama, the GOP swept control of Senate, creating a trifecta with both the House and White House. The GOP made more picks up in 2014 and 2016 and held onto their majorities through 2018. John Boehner remained Speaker of the House until 2019, following his departure Rep. Kevin McCarthy succeeded him beating out once thought likely Speaker Eric Cantor.
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On the coattails of a popular, moderate Republican president? It's a strong possibility
Oh you mean the senate. Yeah, it's unlikely, but possible. I assumed you meant Congress as a whole, whoops.