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Title: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: DrScholl on January 26, 2012, 10:06:08 AM
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/26/2960545/sources-gov-bev-perdue-wont-seek.html

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Gov. Bev Perdue is expected to announce today that she will not seek a second term as governor, two sources close to the Democrat's campaign tell The News & Observer.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/01/26/2960545/sources-gov-bev-perdue-wont-seek.html#storylink=cpy


Title: North Carolina Governor Bev Perdue not running for second term
Post by: Earthling on January 26, 2012, 10:07:14 AM
Political Wire (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/01/26/perdue_will_not_run_again_in_north_carolina.html)


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 26, 2012, 10:11:30 AM
Still Likely R. What's the Dem bench like?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Dancing with Myself on January 26, 2012, 10:57:02 AM
Thank goodness!


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 26, 2012, 10:59:25 AM


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Tender Branson on January 26, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Electorally speaking probably not too bad of a decision for Democrats.

But they need a really good candidate now, really fast.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Tender Branson on January 26, 2012, 11:43:34 AM
I think Roy Cooper would be the strongest candidate. What do you think ?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: AndrewTX on January 26, 2012, 12:00:22 PM
Roy Cooper? Meh. I think if the dems want to run someone good, I'd pick Heath Shuler. I could be wrong, but I feel like if this man run, he could actually take the election. Certainly couldnt go after him for being afraid to stand up to big momma Pelosi.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 26, 2012, 12:11:19 PM
This is an AWFUL day to be an NC Demcorat!!!!

I wake up, check the news and see that Bev Perdue AND Brad Miller are retiring!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 26, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
I instantly thought of Miles when I saw this on Google.

Hopefully Democrats can't get a good recruit, which could further impact Obama's chances in NC.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on January 26, 2012, 02:00:53 PM
I instantly thought of Miles when I saw this on Google.

Hopefully Democrats can't get a good recruit, which could further impact Obama's chances in NC.

It probably won't affect Obama. He pulled Perdue to victory in 2008.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Niemeyerite on January 26, 2012, 04:03:52 PM
-Erskine Bowles
-Roy Cooper
-Heath Shuler
-Brad Miller (now that he's retiring)

could make the election interesting.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 26, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
Roy Cooper has announced he won't run for Governor.

I say we draft Larry Kissell. Shuler and McIntyre at least have a fighting chance in their districts; I really don't see hoe Kissell holds his new district anyway.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Tender Branson on January 26, 2012, 04:12:20 PM
Roy Cooper has announced he won't run for Governor.

Today or long time ago ?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Vern on January 26, 2012, 04:25:10 PM
Roy Cooper or Brad Miller would be the Democrats best chance...


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 26, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Roy Cooper has announced he won't run for Governor.

Today or long time ago ?

Today.  (http://www.wbtv.com/story/16606280/report-governor-bev-perdue-will-not-seek-re-election)

"Thursday morning Attorney General Roy Cooper immediately said in a press release that he was not interested in running for Governor."


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 26, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/bowles-is-democrats-best-hope.html) is saying that the Democrats should run Erskine Bowles:

"We've tested a number of Democratic alternatives to Bev Perdue over the last year and Bowles was the only one who didn't trail McCrory. In October we found the two tied at 42%....

...In 2004 Bowles was burdened by a Kerry/Edwards ticket that was very weak in North Carolina and lost the state by 12 points.  What people might forget is that Bowles lost by only 5 points, outrunning the Presidential ticket by 7.  The Presidential landscape in North Carolina has changed dramatically since 2004 and with the state looking like a dead heat if Bowles could outrun Obama by just 2-3 points he'd probably find himself in the Governor's Mansion."


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Dancing with Myself on January 26, 2012, 05:07:27 PM
PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/bowles-is-democrats-best-hope.html) is saying that the Democrats should run Erskine Bowles:

"We've tested a number of Democratic alternatives to Bev Perdue over the last year and Bowles was the only one who didn't trail McCrory. In October we found the two tied at 42%....

...In 2004 Bowles was burdened by a Kerry/Edwards ticket that was very weak in North Carolina and lost the state by 12 points.  What people might forget is that Bowles lost by only 5 points, outrunning the Presidential ticket by 7.  The Presidential landscape in North Carolina has changed dramatically since 2004 and with the state looking like a dead heat if Bowles could outrun Obama by just 2-3 points he'd probably find himself in the Governor's Mansion."


Oh please, McCory would wipe the table with Bowles.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on January 26, 2012, 05:50:29 PM

He lost two successive Senate elections.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on January 27, 2012, 12:13:31 AM
With Shuler we'd lose a House seat but he'd be incredibly formidable for the Governorship. And I think holding the governor's mansion is a hell of a lot better than one house seat.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 27, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
Walter Dalton is running. (http://www.indyweek.com/citizen/archives/2012/01/26/for-gov-dalton-maybe-foxx-and-bowles-miller-not-cowell)


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on January 27, 2012, 12:20:05 AM

In two strong Republican years, plus the state has changed since then.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: sg0508 on January 29, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
PPP (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/bowles-is-democrats-best-hope.html) is saying that the Democrats should run Erskine Bowles:

"We've tested a number of Democratic alternatives to Bev Perdue over the last year and Bowles was the only one who didn't trail McCrory. In October we found the two tied at 42%....

...In 2004 Bowles was burdened by a Kerry/Edwards ticket that was very weak in North Carolina and lost the state by 12 points.  What people might forget is that Bowles lost by only 5 points, outrunning the Presidential ticket by 7.  The Presidential landscape in North Carolina has changed dramatically since 2004 and with the state looking like a dead heat if Bowles could outrun Obama by just 2-3 points he'd probably find himself in the Governor's Mansion."

Bowles was ahead for the entire 2004 Senatorial race until the last few weeks when the Republicans came home.  This is good news for the Democrats.  Similar to VA, the suburban/urban areas are growing faster and the Democrats are more formidable than ever here.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 30, 2012, 12:24:32 AM
North Carolina hasn't elected a Republican governor since 1988 (an incredibly long losing streak). Why are the Dems suddenly lacking any backups to replace Bev Perdue? Their gubernatorial candidates have outperformed the national nominee in every single contest since 1992 and they have quite a few centrist current and former congressmen who'd ostensibly be competitive candidates.

Its because McCrory is an especially strong candidate. 

If he wasn't running again, I'm pretty sure Perdue would be running for reelection. PPP tested a few non-McCrory Republicans against her and she was ahead.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 30, 2012, 12:30:07 AM
McCrory has the ability to outrun the GOP Prez candidate by 10 points or so in Mecklenburg county, which makes it difficult to beat him. And he would have outrun the ticket by even more without the Obama surge their of minority straight ticket Dem voters.

Didn't he get like 70% in the 9th district in 2008, while McCain got 55%?


The only way to beat him is to get rural voters who don't much care for moderate city boys to defect to the Democrat, the McCain/Perdue voters, basically.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 30, 2012, 12:45:28 AM
Didn't he get like 70% in the 9th district in 2008, while McCain got 55%?

Pretty close. In the new 9th, Obama got 45% while Perdue got 32%.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 30, 2012, 12:52:25 AM
Didn't he get like 70% in the 9th district in 2008, while McCain got 55%?

Pretty close. In the new 9th, Obama got 45% while Perdue got 32%.

What was the old ninth? 


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on January 30, 2012, 01:01:24 AM
Didn't he get like 70% in the 9th district in 2008, while McCain got 55%?

Pretty close. In the new 9th, Obama got 45% while Perdue got 32%.

What was the old ninth?  

Pretty similar. 65% McCrory, 55% McCain.

His strength in Mecklenburg county was impressive. He ran 12 points ahead of McCain (49 vs. 37).


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: tpfkaw on January 30, 2012, 02:13:56 AM
Didn't Perdue run to the right of McCrory in '08?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 31, 2012, 12:18:32 AM

She ran some ads that tried to make her seem like the country gal against the city boy who was out of touch with NC values. In the last week or so she rans vowing to crack down on illegals (Something McCrory had vowed to do) and attacking McCrory for wanting to bring NJ and NY Garbage in to NC's dumps.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 02, 2012, 01:19:56 PM
Bowles isn't running. (http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/bowles_will_not_run_for_governor) Good news for Dalton.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Dancing with Myself on February 02, 2012, 05:38:01 PM
Bowles isn't running. (http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/bowles_will_not_run_for_governor) Good news for Dalton.

That could be good news for McCory as well.

Brad Miller is also considering a run now as well. I just seen that on my local news


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 02, 2012, 05:46:07 PM
Bowles isn't running. (http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/bowles_will_not_run_for_governor) Good news for Dalton.

That could be good news for McCory as well.

Brad Miller is also considering a run now as well. I just seen that on my local news
I told Miller I'd support him if he ran, but I think it's best for Dems to line up behind Dalton at this point.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on February 02, 2012, 08:24:47 PM
Bob Etheridge is in.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: bgwah on February 02, 2012, 08:26:07 PM

Awesome!! I hope he wins.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: nclib on February 06, 2012, 07:34:34 PM
Perdue has actually been better than I had thought. I first thought she was quite conservative for a Democrat, but she's vetoed a lot of awful legislative bills. Perhaps those bills were bad enough for her to stand up to them.

This might not be bad electorally speaking, but if Perdue is unpopular, I wonder what other Dem could win, but perhaps a fresh face couldn't hurt.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 10, 2012, 11:54:31 PM
Mike McIntyre has ruled out running for Governor. (http://www.wect.com/story/16909495/mcintyre-running-again-for-congress-not-governors-office) He's staying where Democrats need him most; in his Congressional race.

I'm still waiting for Brad Miller to make a decision. He said he'd make up his mind last weekend...


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 12, 2012, 04:38:16 PM

He is leading the primary poll I saw on local news with about 38% or so. It had quite a few undecideds though.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: krazen1211 on February 13, 2012, 07:30:29 PM
http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10719961/

A review of election defeats, resignations and retirements shows that of the 30 Democratic senators in early 2009, 19 of them are no longer in the Senate or won't return after this year. In the House, 37 of the 68 Democrats in 2009 either are already gone, announced they won't seek re-election in 2012 or will be at home. Some won't return in 2013 because they'll lose to a fellow incumbent in the May primary. Others may not win in November. The candidate filing period begins Monday.



Wow. They got owned.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 13, 2012, 09:25:14 PM

Of course...its called Republican redistricting.

This could be something of a perfect storm for NC Democrats.

2008 seemed like our high-water mark, with Obama winning the state, Hagan thumping Dole and Perdue extending the GOP's Gubernatorial losing streak to 5 consecutive election cycles.

Still, 2010 was the most detrimental year for us. We made a bad showing then and we'll be paying for that for the foreseeable future.

The trend though is working against the Republicans and we still have strong statewide candidates.

Also, we don't have Art Pope stuffing our candidates' pockets.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on February 13, 2012, 10:34:54 PM
The Democrats were pretty stupid to not have just changed the law to give the Governor veto power over redistricting plans when they had the chance. Even if it was shameless and partisan there's no denying that court-drawn maps would've been far more fair than the abominations that were passed.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: krazen1211 on February 14, 2012, 10:13:40 AM
The Democrats were pretty stupid to not have just changed the law to give the Governor veto power over redistricting plans when they had the chance. Even if it was shameless and partisan there's no denying that court-drawn maps would've been far more fair than the abominations that were passed.

It's a constitutional provision, not a law.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: nclib on February 14, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
The Democrats were pretty stupid to not have just changed the law to give the Governor veto power over redistricting plans when they had the chance. Even if it was shameless and partisan there's no denying that court-drawn maps would've been far more fair than the abominations that were passed.

It's a constitutional provision, not a law.

Also, the Dems didn't have a lame duck session after the Nov. elections.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 16, 2012, 05:12:57 PM
Brad Miller isn't running.  (http://projects.newsobserver.com/under_the_dome/brad_miller_wont_run_for_governor)


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Svensson on February 16, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
Personally, I'm of the opinion that an Etheridge-McCrory race would be really fun to watch, even if it wasn't particularly close. Anyone inclined to agree?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 20, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
The Democrats are in control of North Carolina's governorship since 1993. Fatigue, anyone?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 22, 2012, 07:34:43 PM
The Democrats are in control of North Carolina's governorship since 1993. Fatigue, anyone?

They were also in control of the Legislature since Reconstruction; I think NC voters regret putting the Republicans in the majority.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 27, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Appearently, Etheridge announced but didn't file and the deadline is in a few days. Might he have been just engaging in a publicity stunt or is he real?


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: nclib on February 27, 2012, 10:16:18 PM
I heard him speak at a Dem fundraiser, so probably.


Title: Re: NC-Gov: Perdue won't seek re-election
Post by: Miles on February 27, 2012, 10:29:17 PM
I like him, but I think he's too old (71 on election day). I wish they'd just clear the primary for Dalton.