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Title: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 07, 2012, 01:37:47 PM
Go.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: k-onmmunist on February 07, 2012, 04:21:27 PM
Pro-treaty I guess.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Is Totally Not Feeblepizza. on February 07, 2012, 05:37:38 PM
Yeah, probably pro-treaty.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: tpfkaw on February 07, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Anti-treaty, though that would probably be just supporting without fighting.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 07, 2012, 06:17:08 PM
Emigration.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Frodo on February 07, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
Anti-treaty.  No way would I be pledging allegiance to a foreign monarch, even if he or she is there only in a symbolic role.  I would demand nothing less than complete and irrevocable independence. 


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: patrick1 on February 08, 2012, 01:00:38 PM
My relatives/ancestors? were anti Treaty so Id assume that. 

To me it has always been a realist vs idealist break.  The anti Treaty position was really untenable from a practical standpoint. 


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 08, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
I'd simpathize with the Anti-treaty but I wouldn't care enough to fight.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Michaelf7777777 on February 26, 2012, 12:57:18 AM
Pro-treaty by far the best Realpolitick position as the monarch did not have much power anyway.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Mechaman on February 26, 2012, 06:48:31 PM
I'd simpathize with the Anti-treaty but I wouldn't care enough to fight.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Dr. Cynic on February 26, 2012, 11:22:34 PM
I wouldn't be willing to fight, but I would've been anti-treaty.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: CatoMinor on February 27, 2012, 09:49:06 AM
Anti-Treaty


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: rob in cal on February 27, 2012, 12:43:31 PM
Pro-treaty, take a sure 75% win, don't risk the overall goal of Irish independence.  (had the anti-treaty forces looked like winning, wouldn't that have meant the possibility of British intervention?)


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: The Mikado on February 28, 2012, 04:18:13 PM
Emigration.  (Seriously, 1920s Ireland)


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Oakvale on February 28, 2012, 06:05:08 PM
Anti-treaty, but, seriously, what Mikado & Gully said.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Pingvin on March 02, 2012, 08:49:37 AM
Anti-treaty and I would fight.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on March 02, 2012, 05:13:05 PM
Pro-treaty of course. It was a good, sensible compromise and the most reasonable option at the time.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on March 03, 2012, 09:49:16 AM
Pro-treaty of course. It was a good, sensible compromise and the most reasonable option at the time.

There was nothing 'sensible' about the anti-treaty side:

"People may have to die in this country and may have to die through starvation" - actual quote from the then (1924) minister for Industry and Commerce on the nature of his governments' economic policies.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Jerseyrules on March 08, 2012, 12:57:17 AM
Pro-treaty of course. It was a good, sensible compromise and the most reasonable option at the time.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: politicus on March 08, 2012, 11:32:02 AM
Anti-treaty because of the border issues.

The treaty left catholic majority counties Fermanagh and Tyrone  in Northern Ireland. Derry and Southern Armagh also had catholic majority.
Fighting might have been hopeless but the treaty was simply to unfair. 


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: minionofmidas on March 09, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
Depends where I'd be from and who I knew and liked, don't it?


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on March 10, 2012, 08:38:55 AM
Pro-treaty of course. It was a good, sensible compromise and the most reasonable option at the time.

Why "the most reasonable" option?

Btw, Lewis' answer is the best one.


Title: Re: Which side would you support during the Irish Civil War?
Post by: Peter the Lefty on April 09, 2013, 09:11:06 PM
Anti-treaty, but I'd also be afraid of an Irish Republic due to the (eventually realized) possibility of the "Catholic social doctrine" having control over the Irish legal/political system.