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Title: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 02:07:16 pm
What issue do you disagree with the other party on the most? If you're in a third party, go ahead and do both the GOP and Dems.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: KEmperor on January 07, 2005, 02:10:33 pm
So called "social justice."  It's a code word for tyranny of the minorities.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 02:20:22 pm
The belief that the free market solves everything

On second thought:

Blind faith in the system


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: J. J. on January 07, 2005, 02:31:48 pm
It's the idea that all you have to do to solve a problem is to cut a check.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 02:33:45 pm
It's the idea that all you have to do to solve a problem is to cut a check.

How come federal discrentionary spending is up so much under Bush?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: J. J. on January 07, 2005, 02:49:07 pm
It's the idea that all you have to do to solve a problem is to cut a check.

How come federal discrentionary spending is up so much under Bush?

More programs. One thing I will say for Clinton, he understood this about welfare and offered some outstanding reforms. Further, he supported a free market proposal, NAFTA. It sounds like your arugument is as much with the Democrats as the Republicans.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: opebo on January 07, 2005, 02:49:27 pm
'Social issues', obviously.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nym90 on January 07, 2005, 02:50:33 pm
Education and the environment.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: George W. Bush on January 07, 2005, 04:21:40 pm
Sex Education and Radio and TV Regulations


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: opebo on January 07, 2005, 04:23:07 pm
Sex Education and Radio and TV Regulations

You Prude!


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nation on January 07, 2005, 04:38:50 pm
Sex Education and Radio and TV Regulations

I take it you're a fan of the FCC....


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 04:42:34 pm
I took it the opposite way. Democrats tend to be a bunch of do-gooders who want to ban things like cigarette ads from television.

On sex education, I don't know what he's talking about.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: opebo on January 07, 2005, 04:44:30 pm
I took it the opposite way. Democrats tend to be a bunch of do-gooders who want to ban things like cigarette ads from television.

On sex education, I don't know what he's talking about.

I guess some Democrats want to teach children information about sex, while the Religious Party wants to keep them in ignorance.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 04:47:23 pm
Well, I don't know about the Religious Party, but I want to leave it up to parents and just abolish public schools entirely.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Cashcow on January 07, 2005, 05:48:26 pm
GOP: Probably foreign policy and abortion.

DEM: Affirmative action


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 06:03:48 pm
How can an economic right-winger say the thing he disagrees with the Democrats on the most is Affirmative Action? Sure, it's outdated, but it's really no big deal at all.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Cashcow on January 07, 2005, 06:14:57 pm
I'm not an economic right-winger, I just lean right. You are an economic right-winger.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 06:29:29 pm
What does it mean to "lean right?"


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Cashcow on January 07, 2005, 06:31:08 pm
It means I am an economic centrist with more beliefs that support capitalist ideals.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 06:34:27 pm
Okay, but in practice, what does it mean? Are you for minimum wage, the progressive income tax, and all that?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 06:36:16 pm
It's the idea that all you have to do to solve a problem is to cut a check.

How come federal discrentionary spending is up so much under Bush?

More programs.  One thing I will say for Clinton, he understood this about welfare and offered some outstanding reforms.  Further, he supported a free market proposal, NAFTA.  It sounds like your arugument is as much with the Democrats as the Republicans.

That's what I don't get about the blame Clinton nonsense, I'm not particularly fond of Clinton. It's just that he was a hell of a lot better than Bush.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Cashcow on January 07, 2005, 06:36:44 pm
Okay, but in practice, what does it mean? Are you for minimum wage, the progressive income tax, and all that?

1. Yes, but I don't think it should be raised
2. Not really


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 06:36:55 pm
GOP: Probably foreign policy and abortion.

DEM: Affirmative action

Lots of Democrats oppose quotas.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Alcon on January 07, 2005, 07:18:34 pm
The environment. There are plenty of great companies that respect the environment, but that does not take away from the fact that only a few could damage it badly.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 07:27:10 pm
What Republican that you know doesn't think there should be any kind of enviornmental intervention?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: CARLHAYDEN on January 07, 2005, 08:31:40 pm
Illegal immigration!

The Republican officials are opposed to stopping illegal immigration, or to be more precise, legalizing illegal immigration.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Alcon on January 07, 2005, 08:48:21 pm
What Republican that you know doesn't think there should be any kind of enviornmental intervention?

Plenty.

However, many believe there should be very lax restrictions.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 08:52:36 pm
Name some politicians.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Alcon on January 07, 2005, 09:04:59 pm

There are plenty of people who insist that there is nothing wrong with the environment. No politicians would probably admit to this belief, but some may have; I really do not know of any offhand.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 09:08:03 pm
I see nothing wrong with the environment. Quit legislating morality. ;)


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Alcon on January 07, 2005, 09:12:07 pm
I see nothing wrong with the environment. Quit legislating morality. ;)

You see nothing wrong with the environment yet you just claimed that no Republicans you know have that review. Interesting.

How is the environmental a moral position?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 09:13:58 pm
That went way over your head.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on January 07, 2005, 09:49:30 pm
I disagree with the premise, effectively put forth by the Democrats, that society should hold "minorities" to a lower standard of behavior than white people, and that those who don't subscribe to this theory are racist.  I think the reverse is true.

I also disagree, as J.J. said, that every problem can be solved by writing a check.

One of the greatest dangers of our age is the use of unelected judges, some of whom are little more than black-robed dictators, to establish a tyranny of the minority (opinion, not ethnic).

While our constitution establishes certain absolute rights that are not subordinate to the will of the majority, contemporary courts have gone too far in delineating those protections, in my opinion, and it is hurting the vast majority of people in society.  The Democrats have encouraged this trend in my opinion, and it is one of the reasons that I can't bring myself to support the Democrats in anything but local elections.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 10:10:33 pm
Senator Inhofe says global warming doesn't exist.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 10:12:01 pm
I disagree with the premise, effectively put forth by the Democrats, that society should hold "minorities" to a lower standard of behavior than white people, and that those who don't subscribe to this theory are racist.  I think the reverse is true.

I also disagree, as J.J. said, that every problem can be solved by writing a check.

One of the greatest dangers of our age is the use of unelected judges, some of whom are little more than black-robed dictators, to establish a tyranny of the minority (opinion, not ethnic).

While our constitution establishes certain absolute rights that are not subordinate to the will of the majority, contemporary courts have gone too far in delineating those protections, in my opinion, and it is hurting the vast majority of people in society.  The Democrats have encouraged this trend in my opinion, and it is one of the reasons that I can't bring myself to support the Democrats in anything but local elections.

If a poor black was caught doing the things Bush has been caught doing, he'd be completely screwed. There is a double-standard, the more powerful you are, the more you can get away with. Who voted for this inside tradiing drunk driving moron, anyways?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 10:13:55 pm
Senator Inhofe says global warming doesn't exist.

I said someone who doesn't think there needs to be any environmental regulation.

I believe Inhofe thinks global warming is not the result of an enviornmental problem. That's completely reasonable.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 10:14:59 pm
Senator Inhofe says global warming doesn't exist.

I said someone who doesn't think there needs to be any environmental regulation.

I believe Inhofe thinks global warming is not the result of an enviornmental problem. That's completely reasonable.

Humans cause greenhouse gases which cause global warming. It's really pretty simple.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 10:16:31 pm
It's very simple to say. Now try proving it.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 10:17:45 pm
It's very simple to say. Now try proving it.

We release greenhouse gases.
The amount of greenhouse gases is going up.
Greenhouse gases are shown in lab tests to raise temperatures.
Temperatures are going up.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 10:19:03 pm
Yeah, this has happened before in the earth's history. Ever heard of the term "ice age?"


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 10:23:11 pm
Yeah, this has happened before in the earth's history. Ever heard of the term "ice age?"

Are you saying that global warming is ok?
It has a lot of economic downsides.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on January 07, 2005, 10:27:23 pm
I disagree with the premise, effectively put forth by the Democrats, that society should hold "minorities" to a lower standard of behavior than white people, and that those who don't subscribe to this theory are racist. I think the reverse is true.

I also disagree, as J.J. said, that every problem can be solved by writing a check.

One of the greatest dangers of our age is the use of unelected judges, some of whom are little more than black-robed dictators, to establish a tyranny of the minority (opinion, not ethnic).

While our constitution establishes certain absolute rights that are not subordinate to the will of the majority, contemporary courts have gone too far in delineating those protections, in my opinion, and it is hurting the vast majority of people in society. The Democrats have encouraged this trend in my opinion, and it is one of the reasons that I can't bring myself to support the Democrats in anything but local elections.

If a poor black was caught doing the things Bush has been caught doing, he'd be completely screwed. There is a double-standard, the more powerful you are, the more you can get away with. Who voted for this inside tradiing drunk driving moron, anyways?

Your issue is with wealth, not race.  Look at O.J.  Or are you one of those who thinks he'll find Nicole's "real" killer on some golf course?

Then of course there's Ted Kennedy, another shining example of using money to buy your way out of trouble.

I don't believe that the poor are punished too severely by our justice system.  If that were true, poor neighborhoods would be oases of safety and tranquility.  I do believe that it is too easy to use money to buy your way out of trouble.  There are so many opportunities with money to manipulate the legal system in your favor.  It's wrong, but it's not a party issue.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on January 07, 2005, 10:36:05 pm
I disagree with the premise, effectively put forth by the Democrats, that society should hold "minorities" to a lower standard of behavior than white people, and that those who don't subscribe to this theory are racist.  I think the reverse is true.

I also disagree, as J.J. said, that every problem can be solved by writing a check.

One of the greatest dangers of our age is the use of unelected judges, some of whom are little more than black-robed dictators, to establish a tyranny of the minority (opinion, not ethnic).

While our constitution establishes certain absolute rights that are not subordinate to the will of the majority, contemporary courts have gone too far in delineating those protections, in my opinion, and it is hurting the vast majority of people in society.  The Democrats have encouraged this trend in my opinion, and it is one of the reasons that I can't bring myself to support the Democrats in anything but local elections.

If a poor black was caught doing the things Bush has been caught doing, he'd be completely screwed. There is a double-standard, the more powerful you are, the more you can get away with. Who voted for this inside tradiing drunk driving moron, anyways?

Your issue is with wealth, not race.  Look at O.J.  Or are you one of those who thinks he'll find Nicole's "real" killer on some golf course?

Then of course there's Ted Kennedy, another shining example of using money to buy your way out of trouble.

I don't believe that the poor are punished too severely by our justice system.  If that were true, poor neighborhoods would be oases of safety and tranquility.  I do believe that it is too easy to use money to buy your way out of trouble.  There are so many opportunities with money to manipulate the legal system in your favor.  It's wrong, but it's not a party issue.

Obviously OJ got off because of his expensive lawyers. Sending non-violent drug users to jail doesn't help anyone with anything. We need rehabiliation for all but the worst criminals.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 07, 2005, 10:36:52 pm
It would make a lot more sense to just legalize drugs and let people live their own lives.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on January 07, 2005, 10:57:18 pm

Obviously OJ got off because of his expensive lawyers. Sending non-violent drug users to jail doesn't help anyone with anything. We need rehabiliation for all but the worst criminals.

In order to rehabilitate people, they have to want to be rehabilitated.  And it usually takes punishment to get them to the point where they want to be rehabilitated.  That's the reality.  I wish rehabilitation alone were the answer, but it isn't.  It also takes punishment.

And so-called non-violent drug users are responsible for a great deal of property crime like burglaries, in order to get money to support their habits.  Putting them away reduces other crime.  In my town, burglaries are way down over the last ten years due to a stiffening of prison terms for non-violent criminals at the state level.  Many high-crime areas have enjoyed a similar drop in crime since penalties were stiffened for property and drug crimes.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Redefeatbush04 on January 07, 2005, 11:00:09 pm
The environment


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Dr. Cynic on January 07, 2005, 11:01:27 pm
Trickle Down Economics makes almost no sense to me.

Enviromental Policy of alot of Republicans disappoints me.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Storebought on January 08, 2005, 12:05:39 am
In order of importance from least to most:

The obnoxious attitude that the government and everybody (else) owes them a living. This is best exemplified by the innumerable labor-, teacher-, government-sector unions, the AARP, etc.

The sense of absolute entitlement to government office ("We wuz robbed!", "Florida!", "Ohio!", "Gregoire!")

Using the judiciary to implement perverse social changes (Abington School District vs. Schempp, 1963)

The paranoid hatred of the big business in particular and their suspicion towards the free market economic system in general, the greatest engine of general prosperity ever devised by man.

The diffident and irresponsible attitude towards national security, as though the United States is morally unworthy to wage wars or maintain a first-class military







Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on January 08, 2005, 12:08:53 am
In order of importance from least to most:

The obnoxious attitude that the government and everybody (else) owes them a living. This is best exemplified by the innumerable labor-, teacher-, government-sector unions, the AARP, etc.

The sense of absolute entitlement to government office ("We wuz robbed!", "Florida!", "Ohio!", "Gregoire!")

Using the judiciary to implement perverse social changes (Abington School District vs. Schempp, 1963)

The paranoid hatred of the big business in particular and their suspicion towards the free market economic system in general, the greatest engine of general prosperity ever devised by man.

The diffident and irresponsible attitude towards national security, as though the United States is morally unworthy to wage wars or maintain a first-class military







Dude, I could hardly have said it better myself.  Well done.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Storebought on January 08, 2005, 12:14:39 am
In order of importance from least to most:

The obnoxious attitude that the government and everybody (else) owes them a living. This is best exemplified by the innumerable labor-, teacher-, government-sector unions, the AARP, etc.

The sense of absolute entitlement to government office ("We wuz robbed!", "Florida!", "Ohio!", "Gregoire!")

Using the judiciary to implement perverse social changes (Abington School District vs. Schempp, 1963)

The paranoid hatred of the big business in particular and their suspicion towards the free market economic system in general, the greatest engine of general prosperity ever devised by man.

The diffident and irresponsible attitude towards national security, as though the United States is morally unworthy to wage wars or maintain a first-class military







Dude, I could hardly have said it better myself. Well done.

Thanks! 'Preciate it!

Maintaining intellectual (and emotional) honesty doesn't mean being degenerating to a hacking trollery...


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Smash255 on January 08, 2005, 12:39:27 am
Social Issues

The Environment

Trickle Down Economics


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 08, 2005, 12:41:38 am

Can you be more specific?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Smash255 on January 08, 2005, 12:50:02 am
Nice for you to completley change what I said, but I will be more specific nonetheless


Social Issues- I disagree with the hard push toward the right on social issues, (Absitence Only education for one, states in which happen to be more open about safe sex discussions have among the lowest teen pregnancy rates, states which primarily promote absitence only programs have among the highest.

The whole gay rights issue. While I don't expect everyone to agree with Gay Marriage the wholeconsitution thing is way over the top.

The way that if you don't agree with the hard religious right on many social issues your labeled as anti-Christian or your Christianity is questioned (Cheney questioned Leahey's religion basically because he was pro-choice.

Environmental issues. the turn back the clock attitude Bush has exhibted toward the environment. Various admission rules & regulations put forth by Clinton have been overturned. Believing in various companies "good will" to follow environmental laws instead of enforcing them.

Trickle down Economics, just doesn't help the middle class and working class. Didn't under Reagan and doesn't under Bush


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: opebo on January 08, 2005, 01:05:02 pm
Using the judiciary to implement perverse social changes (Abington School District vs. Schempp, 1963)

Schempp was  wonderful decision - it is hard to believe that prior to that religious propaganda was being pushed by the public schools.  Talk about perverse, not to mention unconstitutional.  The scary part, as we re-enter the dark ages, is that we were only in the light about 40 years!


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Bono on January 08, 2005, 01:21:03 pm
well, a lot of them, but I say the thing I really hate the democratic party for is trying to ban guns.

EDIT:
And of course that horrible Northeastern elitism.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Cashcow on January 08, 2005, 04:54:27 pm
Have you ever even been to the Northeast?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 08, 2005, 04:56:14 pm
Migrendel, Shira. Enough said.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Cashcow on January 08, 2005, 04:59:29 pm
Of course there are elitists, but it exists everywhere. I'm not even from the Northeast, it's just a stupid thing to say.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Bono on January 09, 2005, 04:42:27 am
Of course there are elitists, but it exists everywhere. I'm not even from the Northeast, it's just a stupid thing to say.

But you agree that the northeast is the predominant place. Just look at John Kerry, with that horrible Patrician accent.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: nclib on January 09, 2005, 07:40:02 pm
women's rights, gay rights, civil liberties, sex education

basically the 'moral majority' approach


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Brandon H on January 10, 2005, 01:23:58 pm
I lean Republican more than Democrat, but the Republicans have their faults too.

Democrats: The Radical Pro-abortion stance. It's not just the fact that many are Pro-Choice, but the fact that they want Tax Payer Funded Abortion, Partial Bith Abortion, and Abortion for Minors. They also want to stop Fetal Pan Laws, hide the Abortion - Breast Cancer link, and were opposed to the Lacy & Conner Peterson law because they saw it as a threat to the 'right' to an abortion. Fortuneately, as a result of this past election, many Democrats are realizing this. While I don't expect them to change their platform (as Roemer stated over the weekend) at least they are realizing the need to moderate their position on the issue.

Republicans: The catering to Big Business. I still considering myself an economic conservative, but the Republicans (and the Democrats to a smaller degree) give businesses all the breaks in the world. Corp. Welfare for one. Bush's Tax Plan, while it did help the middle class (if you are married and have children, which I don't) was designed to help the upper class and the middle class was included because Bush could not get re-elected without a good amount of them. Now the Social Security Plan. I like the fact of getting more control over my own money, but when I look closer into this, it is away to benefit Bush's large corporate buddies.

Since I live in a safe state, neither Bush nor Kerry got my vote in November.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Gustaf on January 10, 2005, 01:42:33 pm
Hm...I guess it's either environment or certain social issues, such as gay marriage. It would, ironically, be more clear cut the other way around - I disagree completely with the Democrats on vouchers and free trade.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Bono on January 10, 2005, 02:40:05 pm
Hm...I guess it's either environment or certain social issues, such as gay marriage. It would, ironically, be more clear cut the other way around - I disagree completely with the Democrats on vouchers and free trade.

You're a republican now?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: nclib on January 11, 2005, 12:03:06 am
He was just saying if he were a Republican.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: nini2287 on January 11, 2005, 05:23:19 pm
The environment, gay rights and failure to see that true problems exist among the lower and middle classes.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on January 11, 2005, 06:02:04 pm
Very simple:
Republicans - death penalty
Democrats - abortion

PRO-LIFE FOREVER!


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: nini2287 on January 11, 2005, 06:22:18 pm
Very simple:
Republicans - death penalty
Democrats - abortion

PRO-LIFE FOREVER!

Seconded ;)


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Akno21 on January 11, 2005, 08:43:52 pm
Very simple:
Republicans - death penalty
Democrats - abortion

PRO-LIFE FOREVER!

Least you aren't a walking contradiction.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 11, 2005, 08:50:38 pm
I'm so pro-life I support the death penalty for those who destroy it. How is that a contradiction?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: George W. Bush on January 11, 2005, 08:55:33 pm
Sex Education and Radio and TV Regulations

I take it you're a fan of the FCC....


I just went back and Re-Read this Topic, I thought it said what do I Disagree with MY party on. I am NOT a fan of the FCC and I think not teaching kids about sex in school is very Dumb. As for the other party, Taxes and Abortion.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nation on January 11, 2005, 10:07:39 pm
Sex Education and Radio and TV Regulations

I take it you're a fan of the FCC....


I just went back and Re-Read this Topic, I thought it said what do I Disagree with MY party on. I am NOT a fan of the FCC and I think not teaching kids about sex in school is very Dumb. As for the other party, Taxes and Abortion.

Ahhh, you're right. My bad.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: The Duke on January 11, 2005, 10:10:04 pm
Abortion, because there is so little rom for a middle, and because the Democratic Party has become so doctrinaire about it.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Horus on January 11, 2005, 10:26:02 pm
Gay Marriage.

Who is it exactly hurting?

As for Democrats, I disagree completely with their stupid school voucher position, vouchers will do nothing but help education.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Beet on January 12, 2005, 12:29:25 am
GOP-

1. Zealous, even religious support of the established and powerful, not just a lack of compassion but an ideological anti-compassion. This is what I hate most about the GOP and makes me a Democrat.

2. Ties to race-based elements. For example, their support of the Confederate flag in government, their alliance with the xenophobic groups who are some of their more extreme (if not more vocal) supporters. This ties with "issue" #1 as most aversive characteristic of the right.

3. Generally bitter outlook on others and a constant mentality of confrontation that they thrive on. For so-called Christrians, they seem to be always looking for different groups to hate for not conforming to this or that. In foreign policy this means an us-or-them, zero-sum attitude against anything resembling a principle that peaceful, mutual success is an inherent positive and which is a long term recipie for strife.

Democrats-

1. Support of programs and attitudes that undercut individual responsibility. For example, the idea that its bad for parents to discipline their children, that families should not be protected, that children's self-esteem is more important than accurate assessment of reality, and a condescending lowering of expectations towards minorities and other disadvantaged.

2. Religious/spiritual vacuousness. Every party likes to feel morally superior, but the Democrats dont even try to believe in or pretend to promote anything other than an animalistic, relativist universe. No wonder they find it harder to inspire impassioned commitment than the GOP.

3. Knee-jerk anti-capitalism and anti-Americanism (btw, this is what separates the liberals from the Left). The bizzare self-loathing of the far left and their convulted, condescending and  nonsensical explanations for these tendencies continues to baffle me whenever I encounter them.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nation on January 12, 2005, 12:41:19 am
GOP-

1. Zealous, even religious support of the established and powerful, not just a lack of compassion but an ideological anti-compassion. This is what I hate most about the GOP and makes me a Democrat.

2. Ties to race-based elements. For example, their support of the Confederate flag in government, their alliance with the xenophobic groups who are some of their more extreme (if not more vocal) supporters. This ties with "issue" #1 as most aversive characteristic of the right.

3. Generally bitter outlook on others and a constant mentality of confrontation that they thrive on. For so-called Christrians, they seem to be always looking for different groups to hate for not conforming to this or that. In foreign policy this means an us-or-them, zero-sum attitude against anything resembling a principle that peaceful, mutual success is an inherent positive and which is a long term recipie for strife.

Democrats-

1. Support of programs and attitudes that undercut individual responsibility. For example, the idea that its bad for parents to discipline their children, that families should not be protected, that children's self-esteem is more important than accurate assessment of reality, and a condescending lowering of expectations towards minorities and other disadvantaged.

2. Religious/spiritual vacuousness. Every party likes to feel morally superior, but the Democrats dont even try to believe in or pretend to promote anything other than an animalistic, relativist universe. No wonder they find it harder to inspire impassioned commitment than the GOP.

3. Knee-jerk anti-capitalism and anti-Americanism (btw, this is what separates the liberals from the Left). The bizzare self-loathing of the far left and their convulted, condescending and nonsensical explanations for these tendencies continues to baffle me whenever I encounter them.

Very well said.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: tinman64 on January 12, 2005, 02:20:36 am
GOP - Environment, Abortion

Dems -  throwing money at problems, Death Penalty


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nym90 on January 12, 2005, 12:39:56 pm
GOP-

1. Zealous, even religious support of the established and powerful, not just a lack of compassion but an ideological anti-compassion. This is what I hate most about the GOP and makes me a Democrat.

2. Ties to race-based elements. For example, their support of the Confederate flag in government, their alliance with the xenophobic groups who are some of their more extreme (if not more vocal) supporters. This ties with "issue" #1 as most aversive characteristic of the right.

3. Generally bitter outlook on others and a constant mentality of confrontation that they thrive on. For so-called Christrians, they seem to be always looking for different groups to hate for not conforming to this or that. In foreign policy this means an us-or-them, zero-sum attitude against anything resembling a principle that peaceful, mutual success is an inherent positive and which is a long term recipie for strife.

Democrats-

1. Support of programs and attitudes that undercut individual responsibility. For example, the idea that its bad for parents to discipline their children, that families should not be protected, that children's self-esteem is more important than accurate assessment of reality, and a condescending lowering of expectations towards minorities and other disadvantaged.

2. Religious/spiritual vacuousness. Every party likes to feel morally superior, but the Democrats dont even try to believe in or pretend to promote anything other than an animalistic, relativist universe. No wonder they find it harder to inspire impassioned commitment than the GOP.

3. Knee-jerk anti-capitalism and anti-Americanism (btw, this is what separates the liberals from the Left). The bizzare self-loathing of the far left and their convulted, condescending and nonsensical explanations for these tendencies continues to baffle me whenever I encounter them.

Fabulous post, Beet. I agree completely.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: 12th Doctor on January 12, 2005, 01:34:13 pm
Abortion


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nym90 on January 12, 2005, 01:35:58 pm

That's definitely an issue in which the Democrats need to get their message out better.

I hate the fact that we don't seem like we care about abortion or want to reduce it at all.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Akno21 on January 12, 2005, 06:11:02 pm
The Democrats need to make it picture clear that they are not for abortion, but for abortion rights. We also need to stop being fake about what we try to do. Kerry is not an openly religous guy. I'd rather see him not discuss it all then do it in the phony way he did. We do pander too much to the African-American community, but do we have a choice? Could we win PA, MI, OH (theoretically), MN, FL, WA without large Black Democratic turnout in Philadelphia, Detriot, Cleveland, The Twin Cities, Miami/Jacksonville, and Seattle?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Blue Rectangle on January 12, 2005, 07:00:30 pm
The Democrats need to make it picture clear that they are not for abortion, but for abortion rights. We also need to stop being fake about what we try to do. Kerry is not an openly religous guy. I'd rather see him not discuss it all then do it in the phony way he did. We do pander too much to the African-American community, but do we have a choice? Could we win PA, MI, OH (theoretically), MN, FL, WA without large Black Democratic turnout in Philadelphia, Detriot, Cleveland, The Twin Cities, Miami/Jacksonville, and Seattle?
Phony: a good name for Kerry's abortion stance. He was fine when he claimed the ol' "I personally oppose abortion, but I don't think it is the government's business" line. When he then said that the government should then pay for abortions, he contradicted his earlier "it's not the government's business" claim.

The abortion issue is not a 50/50 wedge issue. It is a 33/33/33 wedge issue. There are three roughly equal positions:
1. Abortion is wrong and it ought to be illegal.
2. Abortion is wrong, but in a religious sense--therefore the government should not ban it.
3. Abortion is an unfortunate fact of life and is not "wrong" in any sense. The government should protect, and even provide, access to abortion.

If Republicans strongly support #1, they lose 2 to 1. Kerry's mistake was analogous.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Alcon on January 12, 2005, 07:36:37 pm
The Democrats need to make it picture clear that they are not for abortion, but for abortion rights. We also need to stop being fake about what we try to do. Kerry is not an openly religous guy. I'd rather see him not discuss it all then do it in the phony way he did. We do pander too much to the African-American community, but do we have a choice? Could we win PA, MI, OH (theoretically), MN, FL, WA without large Black Democratic turnout in Philadelphia, Detriot, Cleveland, The Twin Cities, Miami/Jacksonville, and Seattle?
Phony: a good name for Kerry's abortion stance. He was fine when he claimed the ol' "I personally oppose abortion, but I don't think it is the government's business" line. When he then said that the government should then pay for abortions, he contradicted his earlier "it's not the government's business" claim.

The abortion issue is not a 50/50 wedge issue. It is a 33/33/33 wedge issue. There are three roughly equal positions:
1. Abortion is wrong and it ought to be illegal.
2. Abortion is wrong, but in a religious sense--therefore the government should not ban it.
3. Abortion is an unfortunate fact of life and is not "wrong" in any sense. The government should protect, and even provide, access to abortion.

If Republicans strongly support #1, they lose 2 to 1. Kerry's mistake was analogous.

Wow, then I must fall into the 1% who think that it should be strongly discouraged, but legal only in the first trimester, yet still very strongly discouraged.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on January 12, 2005, 08:42:01 pm

That's definitely an issue in which the Democrats need to get their message out better.

I hate the fact that we don't seem like we care about abortion or want to reduce it at all.

For the feminists, abortion is sacred, and their whole movement is centered around it.  With the stranglehold that those people have on the Democratic party, how could the party get across a message that says that abortion should be reduced?  That would suggest that it's not desirable, a thought which is anathema to the radical feminists who form such an integral part of the Democratic base.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Beet on January 12, 2005, 09:13:31 pm
GOP-

1. Zealous, even religious support of the established and powerful, not just a lack of compassion but an ideological anti-compassion. This is what I hate most about the GOP and makes me a Democrat.

2. Ties to race-based elements. For example, their support of the Confederate flag in government, their alliance with the xenophobic groups who are some of their more extreme (if not more vocal) supporters. This ties with "issue" #1 as most aversive characteristic of the right.

3. Generally bitter outlook on others and a constant mentality of confrontation that they thrive on. For so-called Christrians, they seem to be always looking for different groups to hate for not conforming to this or that. In foreign policy this means an us-or-them, zero-sum attitude against anything resembling a principle that peaceful, mutual success is an inherent positive and which is a long term recipie for strife.

Democrats-

1. Support of programs and attitudes that undercut individual responsibility. For example, the idea that its bad for parents to discipline their children, that families should not be protected, that children's self-esteem is more important than accurate assessment of reality, and a condescending lowering of expectations towards minorities and other disadvantaged.

2. Religious/spiritual vacuousness. Every party likes to feel morally superior, but the Democrats dont even try to believe in or pretend to promote anything other than an animalistic, relativist universe. No wonder they find it harder to inspire impassioned commitment than the GOP.

3. Knee-jerk anti-capitalism and anti-Americanism (btw, this is what separates the liberals from the Left). The bizzare self-loathing of the far left and their convulted, condescending and nonsensical explanations for these tendencies continues to baffle me whenever I encounter them.

Fabulous post, Beet. I agree completely.

I was trying to follow Storebought's advice of intellectual and emotional honesty as much as possible.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: opebo on January 14, 2005, 07:25:10 am

That's definitely an issue in which the Democrats need to get their message out better.

I hate the fact that we don't seem like we care about abortion or want to reduce it at all.

For the feminists, abortion is sacred, and their whole movement is centered around it. With the stranglehold that those people have on the Democratic party, how could the party get across a message that says that abortion should be reduced? That would suggest that it's not desirable, a thought which is anathema to the radical feminists who form such an integral part of the Democratic base.

Lots of us like abortion.  Should we be unrespresented?  The Democrats will never win by becoming GOP wannabes, abandoning our base to try to win a sliver of the religious fanatic vote. 


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Blue Rectangle on January 14, 2005, 12:11:53 pm

That's definitely an issue in which the Democrats need to get their message out better.

I hate the fact that we don't seem like we care about abortion or want to reduce it at all.

For the feminists, abortion is sacred, and their whole movement is centered around it. With the stranglehold that those people have on the Democratic party, how could the party get across a message that says that abortion should be reduced? That would suggest that it's not desirable, a thought which is anathema to the radical feminists who form such an integral part of the Democratic base.

Lots of us like abortion. Should we be unrespresented? The Democrats will never win by becoming GOP wannabes, abandoning our base to try to win a sliver of the religious fanatic vote.
You like abortion?  Huh.  I guess I should make that catagory #4, representing 1% of the electorate.

Thank you, opebo, for providing us with a strawman.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: The love that set me free on January 14, 2005, 01:58:58 pm
If I were a girl, I might care about abortion and develop an opinion of whether or not it was moral and all that stuff. But I'm not, so I don't.

Anyway, I have to say gay marriage since I think the Constitutional amendment is the most idiotic thing ever and shows a complete disrespect for the Constitution. It's not intended to be amended for every wedge issue.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: A18 on January 14, 2005, 02:08:09 pm
Gay marriage is not a wedge issue.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: opebo on January 14, 2005, 02:22:00 pm
Gay marriage is not a wedge issue.

By wedge issue I think he means one that divides a portion of the electorate from the party where most of its interests lie, because of one thing that really riles them.  Gay marriage is the perfect example - lots of intolerant poor people vote GOP because they hate gays, in spite of the fact that Republican rule is terribly detrimental to their own economic interests. 


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 15, 2005, 04:38:32 pm
The Democrats need to make it picture clear that they are not for abortion, but for abortion rights. We also need to stop being fake about what we try to do. Kerry is not an openly religous guy. I'd rather see him not discuss it all then do it in the phony way he did. We do pander too much to the African-American community, but do we have a choice? Could we win PA, MI, OH (theoretically), MN, FL, WA without large Black Democratic turnout in Philadelphia, Detriot, Cleveland, The Twin Cities, Miami/Jacksonville, and Seattle?

Well said Akno.  I share a lot fo what you just said.  I too feel the Democratic party panders to African Americans too much, but hey what are we going to do?  The Democratic party in the Philadelphia is factionalized into the following: African Americans, suburban/Center City progressives, and Northeast/South Philly union members.  If you were to put these groups into a room together, there would be massive chaos.  Example: the black and NE/South Philly Dems are relatively socially conservative and may not like gay marriage and abortion, but for the suburban/CC Dems, it's their core issues.  The pandering to the NAACP would not bode well to the suburban or union Dems but to North and West Philly, it's fine.  And on the economic issues, the Philly Dems would be on board, but to the progressives, it may not be such a big deal.  This is why the Democratic party is disorganized. 

We have the challenge of explaining our complex positions.  Our problem is our positions are not black and white.  Simple minded people like simple minded positions such as "pro-life" and "tax cuts."     


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Beet on January 15, 2005, 04:55:58 pm
We have the challenge of explaining our complex positions.  Our problem is our positions are not black and white.  Simple minded people like simple minded positions such as "pro-life" and "tax cuts." 

This is the same tired old refrain that I've heard time and time again, but the truth is, often when one can't explain one's position it really means one does not know what one's position is. This was no small factor in destroying Kerry.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Akno21 on January 15, 2005, 05:25:56 pm
The Democrats need to make it picture clear that they are not for abortion, but for abortion rights. We also need to stop being fake about what we try to do. Kerry is not an openly religous guy. I'd rather see him not discuss it all then do it in the phony way he did. We do pander too much to the African-American community, but do we have a choice? Could we win PA, MI, OH (theoretically), MN, FL, WA without large Black Democratic turnout in Philadelphia, Detriot, Cleveland, The Twin Cities, Miami/Jacksonville, and Seattle?

Well said Akno. I share a lot fo what you just said. I too feel the Democratic party panders to African Americans too much, but hey what are we going to do? The Democratic party in the Philadelphia is factionalized into the following: African Americans, suburban/Center City progressives, and Northeast/South Philly union members. If you were to put these groups into a room together, there would be massive chaos. Example: the black and NE/South Philly Dems are relatively socially conservative and may not like gay marriage and abortion, but for the suburban/CC Dems, it's their core issues. The pandering to the NAACP would not bode well to the suburban or union Dems but to North and West Philly, it's fine. And on the economic issues, the Philly Dems would be on board, but to the progressives, it may not be such a big deal. This is why the Democratic party is disorganized.

We have the challenge of explaining our complex positions. Our problem is our positions are not black and white. Simple minded people like simple minded positions such as "pro-life" and "tax cuts."

I'm not sure how against abortion the black community is. I know much of them are against gay marriage, but blacks have a disproportiantly higher unwanted pregnency rate than the rest of society, so wouldn't they be liberal somewhat on that issue? Poor inner-city people know first hand how damaging it can be to live in an unsupportive household.

Before we bash the hell out of the Kerry campaign, keep in mind that 150,000 votes and he is gonna get inagurated in 5 days.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 15, 2005, 06:30:08 pm
I know more blacks are pro-choice, but a surprisingly large number are very religious and pro-life, yet staunch Dems.   


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Akno21 on January 15, 2005, 08:22:08 pm
I know more blacks are pro-choice, but a surprisingly large number are very religious and pro-life, yet staunch Dems.

I'm aware many are religous, I just would think they would have a pro-choice position, which the vast majority do anyway.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Blue Rectangle on January 16, 2005, 01:36:27 pm
I'm not sure how against abortion the black community is. I know much of them are against gay marriage, but blacks have a disproportiantly higher unwanted pregnency rate than the rest of society, so wouldn't they be liberal somewhat on that issue? Poor inner-city people know first hand how damaging it can be to live in an unsupportive household.
I imagine there is a huge difference between urban and rural blacks on this issue.  Your point about urban blacks and abortion is probably accurate.  Rural blacks, especially those in the south, are on the opposite side.  The positions on abortion that work with the black community in New Jersey or New York won't work in Arkansas and Virgina (or to a lesser extent, Ohio).


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: J. J. on January 16, 2005, 02:18:39 pm
If I were a girl, I might care about abortion and develop an opinion of whether or not it was moral and all that stuff. But I'm not, so I don't.

Anyway, I have to say gay marriage since I think the Constitutional amendment is the most idiotic thing ever and shows a complete disrespect for the Constitution. It's not intended to be amended for every wedge issue.

It isn't in principle.  I support a constitution amendment prohibiting the federal courts from finding a right for same sex marriages.  The principle though is that I don't the Massachusetts courts or the Massachusetts legislature to tell the people of Pennsylvania what types of marriages to accept or recognizes.  Likewise, I don't want the Pennsylvania courts or legislature telling the people of Massachusetts what types of marriages to accept or recognize.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Akno21 on January 16, 2005, 08:37:26 pm
I'm not sure how against abortion the black community is. I know much of them are against gay marriage, but blacks have a disproportiantly higher unwanted pregnency rate than the rest of society, so wouldn't they be liberal somewhat on that issue? Poor inner-city people know first hand how damaging it can be to live in an unsupportive household.
I imagine there is a huge difference between urban and rural blacks on this issue. Your point about urban blacks and abortion is probably accurate. Rural blacks, especially those in the south, are on the opposite side. The positions on abortion that work with the black community in New Jersey or New York won't work in Arkansas and Virgina (or to a lesser extent, Ohio).

That makes sense. The Southern Black Democrat likely votes more on equality and economic matters, I would suppose.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: ian on February 25, 2005, 03:43:08 pm
Religion in School.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Defarge on February 26, 2005, 10:04:03 pm
Foreign policy.  Estranging the world will not help us when we inevitably have to confront China in this century.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: TomC on February 26, 2005, 11:19:59 pm
Republicans: Social issues, their desire to impose their idea of Christian values on 100% of the country.

Democrats: The notion that every problem can be solved with a new spending program.



Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Will F.D. People on February 28, 2005, 05:23:46 pm
Foreign Policy. Believing that we should be led by the EU and the UN rather than the other way around is a recipe for a security and economic disaster.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Frodo on September 30, 2006, 12:53:08 pm
Taxes and the environment -though it is worth noting that the Virginia Republican Party has a better record on the latter than their counterparts on the federal level do, even if they are too wedded to antitax fundamentalists for their own good. 


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: jokerman on September 30, 2006, 03:24:26 pm
Economics in general.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: DWPerry on October 01, 2006, 01:27:19 am
Since I am not a "member" of any political party, I will list my disagreements for each of the two "major parties"
Republicrats - Want to stay in power, not fiscally conservative, don't respect the US Constitution or State's Rights, want BIG government
Demoplicans - Want to be in power, not fiscally conservative, don't respect the US Constitution or State's Rights, want BIGGER government


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on October 01, 2006, 06:12:14 am
I would hardly know where to begin.

I think that the thing I find most offensive about the Democrats is their 'blame America first' attitude on foreign policy.  They seem so hostile to US interests, and really have been every since Vietnam.

The other big one is their belief that spending money is the answer to every problem.

Then there's political correctness, and their willful refusal to recognize that certain types of families work better than others.

I generally find that Democrats are far more likely than not to side with, and sympathize with, people who for whatever reason do not contribute to society (welfare recipients, criminals, etc.) at the expense of law-abiding citizens who do contribute.  Those who do contribute are at the very, very bottom of the priority list, and are supposed to make endless sacrifices for those who either cannot or refuse to contribute.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: tweed on October 01, 2006, 08:15:21 am
I don't really think the Republicans here have any kind of right to keep bringing up spending as an issue against my people when their congress has racked up record deficits the past 4 years.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: dazzleman on October 01, 2006, 08:51:02 am
I don't really think the Republicans here have any kind of right to keep bringing up spending as an issue against my people when their congress has racked up record deficits the past 4 years.

Well, unfortuately, I can't argue with you there, except to say that the Democrats continually complain that we're not spending enough.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on October 01, 2006, 09:02:59 am
The wanting of a welfare state

Disregard for human life and moral values


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Kevin on October 01, 2006, 11:02:15 am
I disagree with the Democrats on Affermative action,foreign policy in respects to conducting the war on terror and immigration.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: tweed on October 01, 2006, 12:57:01 pm
I don't really think the Republicans here have any kind of right to keep bringing up spending as an issue against my people when their congress has racked up record deficits the past 4 years.

Well, unfortuately, I can't argue with you there, except to say that the Democrats continually complain that we're not spending enough.

It's mostly the distribution of the spending rather than the amount.  Like, say, the $60 billion per year on Cold War missile technology.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Boris on October 01, 2006, 01:22:35 pm
Republicans:

1. Unilateralist Foreign Policy
2. General Incompetence/Ineptitude in dealing with Iraq, National Security, and Terrorism
3. Trickle-down economics
4. Fiscal Irresponsibility (The Democrats used to be like this, but since Clinton they've moved away from that)
5. The Religious Right: Other than Islamic Terrorists (or terrorists in general), they're one of the biggest threats to this nation. They only care about the two most trivial issues in the world - gay marriage and abortion - while ignoring issues that actually matter, such as Iraq, National Security, Terrorism, Education, the environment, and Healthcare.
6. The Environment

Democrats:

1. Abortion


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: nclib on October 01, 2006, 02:54:02 pm
Then there's political correctness, and their willful refusal to recognize that certain types of families work better than others.

Specifically what types of families are you referring to? I would agree that on average two-parent households work better than single-parent households. I would disagree that straight couples work out better than gay couples, or that having a stay-at-home mother is better for the kids than having both parents work outside the home. There is no evidence that children of gay couples or children of dual-working parents are any worse off than children of straight couples or children of stay-at-home mothers.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Reignman on October 01, 2006, 05:21:54 pm
tax cuts = more govt. revenue.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Kevin on October 01, 2006, 06:11:48 pm
Republicans:

1. Unilateralist Foreign Policy
2. General Incompetence/Ineptitude in dealing with Iraq, National Security, and Terrorism
3. Trickle-down economics
4. Fiscal Irresponsibility (The Democrats used to be like this, but since Clinton they've moved away from that)
5. The Religious Right: Other than Islamic Terrorists (or terrorists in general), they're one of the biggest threats to this nation. They only care about the two most trivial issues in the world - gay marriage and abortion - while ignoring issues that actually matter, such as Iraq, National Security, Terrorism, Education, the Enivornment, and Healthcare.
6. The Environment

Democrats:

1. Abortion

I'm a Republican and I'm highly disturbed with the way the Republican party has been moving.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Nym90 on October 02, 2006, 02:35:54 am
I would still say education and the environment if we are looking at specific issues, as I did when I first responded to this thread over a year and a half ago.

However, I would add that the GOP's beholdence to big business is its largest failing and the thing I dislike about it the most. The party seems to have absolutely no respect for the middle class and the less well off and exists only to promote and protect the wealthy and privledged. I think this is a highly destructive attitude to take for the country as a whole and is fundamentally a denial of what makes America great, which is the working men and women of this country, not corporate CEOs.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on February 22, 2015, 01:36:58 am
So called "social justice."  It's a code word for tyranny of the minorities.
Hilarious.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Representative Carpetbagger on February 22, 2015, 02:27:57 pm
Republicans: Foreign Policy

Democrats: Abortion


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Jerseyrules on February 23, 2015, 12:15:07 am
Democrats: foreign policy, general attitude towards American exceptionalism
Republicans: healthcare

Though the former irks me far more


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on February 23, 2015, 06:35:11 pm
Democrats: foreign policy, general attitude towards American exceptionalism
Republicans: healthcare

Though the former irks me far more
So, basically your a neoconservative?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: MT Treasurer on February 24, 2015, 09:29:49 am
Definitely abortion.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on February 24, 2015, 01:00:38 pm
Since I seem to have inadvertently revived this thread, I'll answer with the Republican commitment to militarism, although I increasing have similar problems with my own party.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Thunderbird is the word on February 28, 2015, 05:15:47 pm
Since I seem to have inadvertently revived this thread, I'll answer with the Republican commitment to militarism, although I increasing have similar problems with my own party.

Same here


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Del Tachi on March 04, 2015, 05:35:41 pm
Democrats:  Lack of interest in reforming entitlements

Republicans:  Education


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on March 04, 2015, 06:58:56 pm
Democrats:  Lack of interest in reforming entitlements

Republicans:  Education

Please stop calling austerity/privatization "reform."


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Del Tachi on March 06, 2015, 12:13:57 am
Democrats:  Lack of interest in reforming entitlements

Republicans:  Education

Please stop calling austerity/privatization "reform."

No.  Finding alternate ways to measure inflation/COLA, raising the retirement age, cutting some benefits for the wealthiest seniors, and forcing all new state employees to enroll in Social Security does not equate to "privatization"


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: KingCountyRepublican on March 06, 2015, 12:49:43 am
Deficit & debt.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on March 06, 2015, 04:42:22 pm
Democrats:  Lack of interest in reforming entitlements

Republicans:  Education

Please stop calling austerity/privatization "reform."

No.  Finding alternate ways to measure inflation/COLA, raising the retirement age, cutting some benefits for the wealthiest seniors, and forcing all new state employees to enroll in Social Security does not equate to "privatization"

There's a tendency to call privatization "reform" on the far-right. Apparently you are not referring to this, so I apologize.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: MATTROSE94 on March 07, 2015, 10:52:32 am
I am fed up with both parties because instead of working in unison to solve the most pressing and urgent issues facing the country, both the Republicans and Democrats want to pander to their bases and refuse to come together and find solutions to our long-term challenges.


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on March 07, 2015, 04:41:20 pm
I am fed up with both parties because instead of working in unison to solve the most pressing and urgent issues facing the country, both the Republicans and Democrats want to pander to their bases and refuse to come together and find solutions to our long-term challenges.

I agree with pandering, but it seems like when they do come together, it means passing the worst legislation imaginable (i.e., the Patriot Act, Homeland Security).


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Thunderbird is the word on March 10, 2015, 11:27:59 am
I am fed up with both parties because instead of working in unison to solve the most pressing and urgent issues facing the country, both the Republicans and Democrats want to pander to their bases and refuse to come together and find solutions to our long-term challenges.

I agree with pandering, but it seems like when they do come together, it means passing the worst legislation imaginable (i.e., the Patriot Act, Homeland Security).

War on drugs, drones, war in Iraq etc


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Justice Blair on March 18, 2015, 05:13:13 pm
Democrats: Israel
Republicans: Climate Change


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on March 19, 2015, 06:11:39 pm
Democrats: Israel
Republicans: Climate Change

What does this mean?


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Justice Blair on March 21, 2015, 02:51:19 pm

It means, that minus Obama's recent mutterings the democratic party is simply too pro-Israeli.

I support the right for Israel to exist, I don't support it being an apartheid state


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Truth Hurts on March 21, 2015, 03:42:37 pm

It means, that minus Obama's recent mutterings the democratic party is simply too pro-Israeli.

I support the right for Israel to exist, I don't support it being an apartheid state

Oh, good. :) I was worried for a minute you meant something like "how dare the president mildly inconvenience Saintly Bibi!"


Title: Re: Issue you disagree with the other party on the most
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on May 03, 2015, 07:27:40 pm
For Democrats, it's probably a toss-up between abortion and taxes.