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Title: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: 5280 on February 23, 2012, 02:57:06 PM About 51% of the US think Obama is too Liberal according to USA Today poll.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-21/poll-obama-republicans/53211198/1?csp=34news (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-21/poll-obama-republicans/53211198/1?csp=34news) Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Vermin Supreme on February 23, 2012, 03:04:39 PM If Obama is too liberal what is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ideology? Maoist I'm guessing according to these American idiots.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 23, 2012, 03:44:36 PM If Obama is too liberal what is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ideology? Maoist I'm guessing according to these American idiots. According to this he ain't "too liberal" (if liberal at all) http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on February 23, 2012, 03:47:02 PM In other news, a large part of the population of the US knows nothing about politics.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: TJ in Oregon on February 23, 2012, 03:51:29 PM In other news, a large part of the population of the US knows nothing about politics. So because they disagree with you that automatically makes them ignorant? Certainly a large part of the US population is rather unaware when it comes to politics, but what does that have to do with this poll? Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Yelnoc on February 23, 2012, 03:57:45 PM If Obama is too liberal what is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ideology? Maoist I'm guessing according to these American idiots. According to this he ain't "too liberal" (if liberal at all) http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 () Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Oakvale on February 23, 2012, 03:59:54 PM The political compass is ridiculously biased, please don't post it here.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Yank2133 on February 23, 2012, 04:06:26 PM In other news, a large part of the population of the US knows nothing about politics. Pretty much this. Obama is at best a moderate Democrat. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Yelnoc on February 23, 2012, 04:10:21 PM The political compass is ridiculously biased, please don't post it here. I know it is slanted left-libertarian in relation to American politics. What I wanted to point out was how closely Obama, Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich are grouped together. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2012, 04:14:56 PM Eh...how can people be wrong in thinking a politician is too far to one side? It's not as if your subjective valuation of his stance is anymore valid.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Free Palestine on February 23, 2012, 04:15:21 PM Pffft
Obama is center-left at best. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Jason Alvarez on February 23, 2012, 04:16:04 PM What the fack:
() Now look at 2008: () ??? Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 23, 2012, 04:20:13 PM In other news, a large part of the population of the US knows nothing about politics. Pretty much this. Obama is at best a moderate Democrat. Can't be easy governing a nation where 40% if not more are "conservative" meaning a Democrat has to steer close to the center Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Free Palestine on February 23, 2012, 04:23:42 PM Also, Obama kind of shifted to the right after becoming president.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 23, 2012, 04:23:57 PM Now look at 2008: () ??? Clearly in 2008, Obama/Biden were closer my 'left-leaning' Christian Democratic core Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: tpfkaw on February 23, 2012, 04:27:06 PM The Political Compass charts are ridiculous - take it in character as anyone they depict and you'll find a vastly different placement. IIRC they had New Labour to the right of Reagan.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 23, 2012, 04:28:49 PM Yeah, that chart seems bad. Obama is a centrist, not a right-wing extremist.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 23, 2012, 04:32:17 PM Also, Obama kind of shifted to the right after becoming president. He had to 'compromise' on extending the fiscally reckless Bush tax cuts in their entirety to ensure the extension of unemployment compensation such is the dogmatic unflexible nature of the contemporary GOP. Then there's national security but that, if anything, aligned him closer to me Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: King on February 23, 2012, 04:33:05 PM 40 percent of Americans think Bill O'Reilly is too liberal. They are the hardcore conservatives who went strong disapprove when Obama sneezed during inauguration. The 10 percent on top of that are swingy and generally uninformed.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Marokai Backbeat on February 23, 2012, 09:31:47 PM In other news, a large part of the population of the US knows nothing about politics. So because they disagree with you that automatically makes them ignorant? On this? Yes. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 23, 2012, 09:40:29 PM Whether or not he is too liberal or not is immaterial. If half the country thinks he is, then he could be in trouble this fall whether or not he actually is liberal or conservative or centrist. Remember, the uninformed still vote and they, unfortunately, make up a good-size majority of the voting population. Political junkies like us are really in the minority.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on February 23, 2012, 09:56:29 PM This is why I shake my head at this country sometimes.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass! on February 23, 2012, 09:57:36 PM I don't know how PC got that result... I did the test "in character" as BO and ended up with Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03 I erred a little to the left on economics, but even so I can't see him hold any more then 0. And it's entirely laughable to think he's above the line socially. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: © tweed on February 23, 2012, 10:04:45 PM The Political Compass charts are ridiculous - take it in character as anyone they depict and you'll find a vastly different placement. IIRC they had New Labour to the right of Reagan. what's wrong with that? New Labour was but a continuation of Reaganism. plus 15 years of momentum on the wrecking ball. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: © tweed on February 23, 2012, 10:06:10 PM The political compass is ridiculously biased, please don't post it here. don't call it a joke, it gets the point across. this is the stuff I hate. the counter-establishment stuff getting criticized for being unrealistic or embarrassing or etc. give me a break. which side are you on? just a few days ago EMD called the Occupy movement embarrassing. embarrassing? again, which team do you want to play for in life? Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Jackson on February 23, 2012, 11:24:28 PM I fail to see how any site that claims the British Conservatives are more left-wing than the Democrats can possibly be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Pyro on February 23, 2012, 11:57:16 PM Obama is a center-right president in his actions judging from any standpoint.
Rhetoric is perhaps moderate in world politics, center-left in America's assbackwards system. It doesn't matter. He's nearly identical to Romney in actions anyway. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on February 24, 2012, 06:36:51 AM In other news, a large part of the population of the US knows nothing about politics. So because they disagree with you that automatically makes them ignorant? Certainly a large part of the US population is rather unaware when it comes to politics, but what does that have to do with this poll? But seriously, Obama is more liberal than maybe 40-45% of Americans, so there has to be a sizable percentage that are just stupid. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 24, 2012, 06:45:17 AM Quote The political compass is ridiculously biased, please don't post it here. I don't understand how they 'fill out the sheet' for people anyways. Anyways - as you see, it rates me to the left of Ron Paul both socially and economically. That should be all the evidence you need to state that the test is terrible. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: All Along The Watchtower on February 24, 2012, 12:21:13 PM Does half of the US even know what "liberal" means? I'd be surprised.
Yes, I know that sounded elitist. :P Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Oakvale on February 24, 2012, 01:47:40 PM The political compass is ridiculously biased, please don't post it here. don't call it a joke, it gets the point across. this is the stuff I hate. the counter-establishment stuff getting criticized for being unrealistic or embarrassing or etc. give me a break. which side are you on? just a few days ago EMD called the Occupy movement embarrassing. embarrassing? again, which team do you want to play for in life? I'd agree that Occupy "movement" is pretty embarassing. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: argentarius on February 24, 2012, 05:30:25 PM I don't know how PC got that result... I did the test "in character" as BO and ended up with Economic Left/Right: -3.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03 I erred a little to the left on economics, but even so I can't see him hold any more then 0. And it's entirely laughable to think he's above the line socially. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Oakvale on February 24, 2012, 05:54:23 PM Anyone who actually defends the Political Compass might want to read the insane description of the various candidates, which nicely throws away all pretense of objectivity.
Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: argentarius on February 24, 2012, 05:57:43 PM Anyone who actually defends the Political Compass might want to read the insane description of the various candidates, which nicely throws away all pretense of objectivity. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Oakvale on February 24, 2012, 06:03:45 PM Anyone who actually defends the Political Compass might want to read the insane description of the various candidates, which nicely throws away all pretense of objectivity. There's a weird strain on the (usually American, but the Political Compass guy is supposedly British) Left that finds Paul's isolationist stances appealing. The ever-annoying Glenn Greenwald is an example that springs to mind. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: argentarius on February 24, 2012, 06:11:29 PM Anyone who actually defends the Political Compass might want to read the insane description of the various candidates, which nicely throws away all pretense of objectivity. There's a weird strain on the (usually American, but the Political Compass guy is supposedly British) Left that finds Paul's isolationist stances appealing. The ever-annoying Glenn Greenwald is an example that springs to mind. Title: Re: Half of US thinks Obama too Liberal Post by: Nichlemn on February 24, 2012, 06:24:33 PM lol @ this thread. Whether Obama is liberal relative to other politicians is irrelevant to how liberal he is relative to you. Apparently, according to some posters, even if you're very conservative you have to rate Obama's views as "about right" or even "too conservative".
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