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Election Archive => 2012 U.S. Presidential Primary Election Polls => Topic started by: RI on February 27, 2012, 10:27:44 PM



Title: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: RI on February 27, 2012, 10:27:44 PM
New Poll: Michigan President by Public Policy Polling on 2012-02-27 (https://uselectionatlas.org/POLLS/PRESIDENT/2012R/polls.php?action=indpoll&id=2620120227108)

Summary:
Santorum:
39%
Romney:
34%
Paul:
15%
Gingrich:
10%
Other:
0%
Undecided:
2%

Poll Source URL: Full Poll Details (https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/status/174334694362591232)



Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: © tweed on February 27, 2012, 10:29:55 PM
MICHIGAN.SANTORUM 55.0


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: RI on February 27, 2012, 10:31:10 PM
I changed the database entry to today's numbers to avoid double counting.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 27, 2012, 10:34:23 PM
I changed the database entry to today's numbers to avoid double counting.

No... we treat these as 2 different one-day polls.  Their samples are big enough to do it that way, and that's how we've been doing it so far.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 27, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
We will not go away.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: RI on February 27, 2012, 10:37:09 PM
I changed the database entry to today's numbers to avoid double counting.

No... we treat these as 2 different one-day polls.  Their samples are big enough to do it that way, and that's how we've been doing it so far.

Yeah, that's what I changed it to.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 27, 2012, 10:39:10 PM
I changed the database entry to today's numbers to avoid double counting.

No... we treat these as 2 different one-day polls.  Their samples are big enough to do it that way, and that's how we've been doing it so far.

Yeah, that's what I changed it to.

You shouldn't be changing anything.  Tonight's poll should be entered as a new poll.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 27, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
And there's no rush.  Next time just wait until they release the story - don't use a Twitter status as a source.  The questions and everything should be in there - this just makes it harder, because we have to go back and edit it.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: RI on February 27, 2012, 10:40:32 PM
I changed the database entry to today's numbers to avoid double counting.

No... we treat these as 2 different one-day polls.  Their samples are big enough to do it that way, and that's how we've been doing it so far.

Yeah, that's what I changed it to.

You shouldn't be changing anything.  Tonight's poll should be entered as a new poll.

Ok, I'm not explaining myself clearly. I initially entered the combined poll, but changed that entry to just the one day sample. I didn't touch yesterday's.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 27, 2012, 10:43:46 PM
I changed the database entry to today's numbers to avoid double counting.

No... we treat these as 2 different one-day polls.  Their samples are big enough to do it that way, and that's how we've been doing it so far.

Yeah, that's what I changed it to.

You shouldn't be changing anything.  Tonight's poll should be entered as a new poll.

Ok, I'm not explaining myself clearly. I initially entered the combined poll, but changed that entry to just the one day sample. I didn't touch yesterday's.

Ahh ok - my misunderstanding.  We're all good now! :)


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 27, 2012, 10:43:51 PM
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Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 27, 2012, 10:45:16 PM
What could be behind this rebound?


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: mondale84 on February 27, 2012, 10:47:03 PM

Willard Mitt Romney


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 27, 2012, 10:49:43 PM

The trees are the right height.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: LastVoter on February 27, 2012, 10:58:13 PM
Stand up and fight! Operation Backdoor!


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 27, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Stand up and fight! Operation Backdoor!

Romney will probably win Democrats just like last time.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: bgwah on February 27, 2012, 10:59:22 PM
Bah, I have no idea what will happen tomorrow.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 t
Post by: TomC on February 27, 2012, 11:03:07 PM

Cadillacs, NASCAR owners, and a Santorum ad focused more on economics. [/guess]


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 27, 2012, 11:20:57 PM
Nate Silver's (pbuh) model now has Rick and Mitt tied at 37.6%.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: ajb on February 27, 2012, 11:23:47 PM
Among voters who identify as Democrats:

Santorum: 47
Paul: 30
Romney: 10
Gingrich: 10

PPP tweets, further, that of the Democrats who intend to vote for Santorum, his approval rating is 55-40.
I also notice that the poll has Santorum beating Romney in the 313 area code (including the city of Detroit) 41-26.
If there's any real Operation Hilarity action going on, there'd potentially be more bang for the buck in the Detroit-area districts, no?


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: redcommander on February 27, 2012, 11:26:20 PM
I'm not buying the truthfulness of this poll unless any last minute polls tomorrow confirm this. The race is still a toss up, and would be in Romney's direction if Santorum's union thugs and progressive party crashers weren't showing up tomorrow.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: ajb on February 27, 2012, 11:27:30 PM
I'm not buying the truthfulness of this poll unless any last minute polls tomorrow confirm this. The race is still a toss up, and would be in Romney's direction if Santorum's union thugs and progressive party crashers weren't showing up tomorrow.
Well, we'll all know soon enough, won't we? Should be an interesting evening, no matter what.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 27, 2012, 11:30:42 PM
I'm not buying the truthfulness of this poll unless any last minute polls tomorrow confirm this. The race is still a toss up, and would be in Romney's direction if Santorum's union thugs and progressive party crashers weren't showing up tomorrow.

And what about Romney's spin-machine fat cats and slick ad dollars?


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: TomC on February 27, 2012, 11:31:53 PM
I'm not buying the truthfulness of this poll unless any last minute polls tomorrow confirm this. The race is still a toss up, and would be in Romney's direction if Santorum's union thugs and progressive party crashers weren't showing up tomorrow.

Yeah, if only Romney had some sort of home state advantage or more ads running or something, it'd surely go his way.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 27, 2012, 11:33:22 PM

Santorum is the GOP's herpes...


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: greenforest32 on February 28, 2012, 02:02:14 AM
I look forward to Michigan's results tomorrow.

Arizona has already sold out


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 28, 2012, 02:45:18 AM
Don't forget that Santorum has consistently overperformed his poll numbers.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Eraserhead on February 28, 2012, 02:47:59 AM

It has to be the stadium thing. He got hammered for that.

Anyway, tomorrow night looks like it's going to be absolutely epic. I'm pleased.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: ZuWo on February 28, 2012, 04:38:51 AM
With the momentum apparently going in Santorum's way, could Arizona be in play again? Or is that Santorum surge a Michigan thing based on Romney's recent gaffes in Michigan?


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Sbane on February 28, 2012, 06:42:14 AM
With the momentum apparently going in Santorum's way, could Arizona be in play again? Or is that Santorum surge a Michigan thing based on Romney's recent gaffes in Michigan?

About half of the voters in AZ have already voted due to absentee voting. So I wouldn't expect the final result to change a whole lot even if there is a swing amongst today's voters. It's not as if there has been a huge swing in MI either, but maybe just enough to put Santorum over the top.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Volrath50 on February 28, 2012, 07:58:22 AM

I imagine part of it is simply Romney's post-debate mini-surge fading.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: krazen1211 on February 28, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
PP has egg on their face.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 10:37:07 PM

The polls severely underestimated Romney in 2008 as well, which was why my prediction in the other thread was as such. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mi/michigan_republican_primary-237.html


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 29, 2012, 12:29:17 AM

The polls severely underestimated Romney in 2008 as well, which was why my prediction in the other thread was as such. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/mi/michigan_republican_primary-237.html

Home-state effect? I don't know why polls wouldn't pick up on that though.


Title: Re: MI PrimR: Public Policy Polling: Santorum leads by 1 in combined sample, 5 today
Post by: Tender Branson on February 29, 2012, 02:13:58 AM

Not really.

Their combined poll for Sunday/Monday was Santorum+1, Romney wins by 3.

First of all, this is within the MoE.

Second, the CNN Exit Poll says that about 10% of voters decided on who to vote for just on Tuesday and these voters went strongly for Romney. So, PPP couldn't pick up these election day voters. And the Exit Poll also said that "in the days before Tuesday", voters who decided in these days picked Santorum - that's exactly when PPP was in the field.

Third, their AZ poll was pretty good.