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Title: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 28, 2012, 12:42:25 PM
Please sticky this.

http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results (http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results)



Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 01:56:36 PM
When will I have to wake up ?

3AM ?

Are the polls closing at 3AM like usual in the Presidential elections ?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2012, 03:06:46 PM
I believe poll closing times are:

Arizona: 7pm local time = 9pm Eastern
Michigan: 8pm local time = 8pm Eastern in most of the state and 9pm Eastern in the UP

So the state would start releasing results in Michigan after 8pm Eastern, but the TV networks won't release their exit poll topline numbers or call the state until at least 9pm Eastern.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 05:22:53 PM
Arizona Secretary of State results by county:
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/AZ/36496/71726/en/md_data.html?cid=105&

Michigan Secretary of State results by county and CD:
http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/12PPR/12PPRall.html


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2012, 05:54:39 PM
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@postpolls
Just under 60% are Republicans in #MIPrimary prelim exit polls, it was only lower in New Hampshire (49%)

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@postpolls
About 10% of early voters in #MIPrimary are Democrats, higher than any other early state so far


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2012, 05:56:18 PM
http://www.wjactv.com/news/ap/automotive/4-in-10-back-auto-bailout-in-michigan-gop-primary/nK7dG/

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An exit poll of voters in Michigan's Republican presidential primary is showing that more than 4 in 10 say they support the federal bailout of the auto industry.

Preliminary results of the survey also show that nearly 1 in 4 voters say they are from households with a union member.

What was the union number in the 2008 primary?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2012, 06:00:29 PM
28% were from union households in 2008: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#MIREP (page 5)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Free Palestine on February 28, 2012, 06:04:03 PM
To the IRC!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 28, 2012, 06:05:59 PM
Maybe Obama will win the Michigan GOP Primary.  


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 06:06:39 PM
It is unclear if this exit poll leak is adjusted for absentee voters.  If it isn't, Mittens must be happy.


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It could be a long night – Conservative Intel and JMC Polling & Analytics have just gotten the results of our exclusive exit polling of likely voters in the Michigan Republican primary. At this moment, Michigan is too close to call with Romney at 39% and Santorum at 38%, with a 5% margin of error.

The results:

Mitt Romney: 39%
Rick Santorum: 38%
Ron Paul: 14%
Newt Gingrich: 9%

Oh, and then there is this below, suggesting that it was so adjusted, but how can you ask absentee voters how they voted in an "exit poll?"  Perhaps it was a combo of an exit poll and a telephone poll of some sort. Or perhaps it is just f'ed up.


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I am told the sample for this poll is Michiganders who have voted early, have voted today, or who told the pollster they will be voting by the end of the day.



Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 06:12:09 PM
What the hell does "exclusive exit polling of likely voters" even mean?  Are they concerned they accidentally polled some people who just happened to wander in and out of the polling place but forgot to vote?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 06:14:19 PM
What the hell does "exclusive exit polling of likely voters" even mean?  Are they concerned they accidentally polled some people who just happened to wander in and out of the polling place but forgot to vote?

Yes, that is another unfortunate use of wording isn't it, which leaves us in the dark as to exactly what the F this outfit actually did.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2012, 06:16:09 PM
From the description it sounds like it's just a regular telephone poll.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
From the description it sounds like it's just a regular telephone poll.

I suspect you are right. They just ripped the word "exit" off, the jerks.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Yelnoc on February 28, 2012, 06:21:32 PM
Yeah, everybody get your asses in #atlasforum


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: bullmoose88 on February 28, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
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@postpolls
Just under 60% are Republicans in #MIPrimary prelim exit polls, it was only lower in New Hampshire (49%)

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@postpolls
About 10% of early voters in #MIPrimary are Democrats, higher than any other early state so far

John King: half of dems voting in the gop primary voted for rick.

Congrats Phil.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 28, 2012, 06:27:37 PM
CNN just announced that 50% of Democrats voted for Santorum according to their Michigan exit poll. LOL!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 06:28:36 PM
http://www.wjactv.com/news/ap/automotive/4-in-10-back-auto-bailout-in-michigan-gop-primary/nK7dG/

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An exit poll of voters in Michigan's Republican presidential primary is showing that more than 4 in 10 say they support the federal bailout of the auto industry.

Preliminary results of the survey also show that nearly 1 in 4 voters say they are from households with a union member.

What was the union number in the 2008 primary?


That's a Johnstown, PA television station (that I've been on).  I'm not sure why they would do that story.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
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@nytpolls
Early exits in MI -- 6 in 10 say they're conservative; 3 in 10 say they're very conservative.

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@fivethirtyeight
AP says Michigan exit poll sample consisted of about 25% early/absentee voters -- higher than most pollsters were assuming.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Oakvale on February 28, 2012, 06:32:22 PM


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2012, 06:32:27 PM
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Initial polling data out of Michigan:

By party affiliation
Democrat 10%
Independent 31%
Republican 59%


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 06:33:49 PM
This is looking like a pretty Romney-friendly electorate to me so far...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 28, 2012, 06:36:27 PM
Looks like Rick Santorum got some "Operation Chaos" votes. I don't blame the Democrats, he is the easiest of the field to beat.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 28, 2012, 06:37:16 PM
Where is Nym?:(


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 06:41:20 PM
Keep in mind that the exit polls estimate percent of early voters.  That 25% isn't much better than a rough extrapolation, even if the networks account for the fact that there are more poll voters to vote.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: redcommander on February 28, 2012, 06:42:16 PM
Thank God turnout is lower than expected in Michigan. Romney tends to do better when no one shows up to vote.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Simfan34 on February 28, 2012, 06:42:48 PM
The Winfield legacy lives on.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ajb on February 28, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
In fact, I'd say that all this exit poll data is next to useless from the perspective of predicting the outcome.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 06:44:14 PM
Thank God turnout is lower than expected in Michigan. Romney tends to do better when no one shows up to vote.

That seems intuitive to me, but I'm not sure how well-supported that is by empirical evidence.

I have more exciting up-to-date coverage on #atlasforum at mibbit.com.  EXCITEMENT.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: © tweed on February 28, 2012, 07:01:06 PM
Romney up to 65 on Intrade in MI.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 07:04:40 PM

He's been at about 63% ever since the news that absentees were overrepresented in the exit polls.  Before then, he was at 55% or something.  Nothing to see here, folks.  As always, we're smarter than Intrade (even if we're maybe a bit more capricious.)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: © tweed on February 28, 2012, 07:06:19 PM

He's been at about 63% ever since the news that absentees were overrepresented in the exit polls.  Before then, he was at 55% or something.  Nothing to see here, folks.  As always, we're smarter than Intrade (even if we're maybe a bit more capricious.)

yes we know you hate Intrade.  I hold to it because I hold to Lacan's definition of the objective as a plural reality.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:08:24 PM
Is there a link to the Intrade figures?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: © tweed on February 28, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Is there a link to the Intrade figures?

intrade.com is usually the best source.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Likely Voter on February 28, 2012, 07:10:37 PM
Exit polls show Rick got 50% of dems, Mitt got 15%. 


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:15:36 PM
Democrates in MI looking to embarrass Romney?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:16:20 PM
Is there a link to the Intrade figures?

intrade.com is usually the best source.

Thanks


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 07:16:44 PM

He's been at about 63% ever since the news that absentees were overrepresented in the exit polls.  Before then, he was at 55% or something.  Nothing to see here, folks.  As always, we're smarter than Intrade (even if we're maybe a bit more capricious.)

yes we know you hate Intrade.  I hold to it because I hold to Lacan's definition of the objective as a plural reality.

do you realize that's a misappropriation of that theory? whatever.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 07:19:59 PM
AP reporting absentees accounted for 25% of votes... Good sign for Romney


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:21:15 PM
Does anyone here actually actively participate in intrade?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 07:22:28 PM
Does anyone here actually actively participate in intrade?

Yes.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 07:23:45 PM
AP reporting absentees accounted for 25% of votes... Good sign for Romney

Except we don't actually know what percent of voters will be absentees.  It's not even clear how the exit polls arrived at that total, and if any extrapolation to account for evening voters was involved at all.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:29:30 PM

Interesting concept. Different than a poll. Not representative, but I imagine since real money is involved that the results might be fairly accurate.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on February 28, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
How do I go on the chat room-


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Politico on February 28, 2012, 07:32:53 PM
Folks...I hate to say it, but Mitt is overpriced on intrade right now. This could go either way. It should be 50-50 until real returns start coming in. I would not put money either way.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:35:49 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: TomC on February 28, 2012, 07:37:04 PM
If I bet, I'd be buying 'brokered convention" about now.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:37:41 PM
CNN calls it "Democratic Mischief in Michigan"


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 28, 2012, 07:48:33 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2012, 07:52:30 PM
Michigan:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/michigan-preliminary-exit-polls-suggest-increse-in-conservative-voters-plus-democratic-turnout-in-gop-primary/

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PARTY: Six in 10 voters in today’s Michigan Republican primary describe themselves as Republicans, about 10 points fewer than in 2008. (But it’s been lower, just 48 percent in 2000, and also was lower this year in New Hampshire.) Independents account for three in 10 voters, Democrats, as noted, one in 10. In past contests Romney generally has done better with mainline Republicans than with non-Republicans.

QUALITIES: A third of voters say they’re most interested in electability — the candidate with the best chance to defeat Obama. That has been a strong Romney group in previous contests. But two other attributes are close behind: experience and strong moral character, each picked by about a quarter of voters. In a result potentially unhelpful to Santorum, fewer — about one in seven — say they’re looking mainly for the true conservative in the race. And in a separate question, slightly more than half see Romney as most likely to defeat President Obama in November, double the number who say so about Santorum.

UNION and BAILOUT: Just under a quarter of voters are from union households, continuing a downward path from 2004 and 2008 in their share of the electorate. Romney did better among non-union than among union voters in 2008, and tried to tie Santorum to “big labor” this year.
More GOP voters in the state disapprove than approve of the federal government’s automaker bailout, but not by a wide margin — 51-43 percent, perhaps a surprising level of support in this particular population, given the party’s customary laissez-faire approach. Romney and Santorum both opposed the bailout.

ISSUES: More than half of Michigan voters say the economy’s the most important issue in their vote, by far the top rated issue; just under a quarter named the federal budget deficit; one in seven pick abortion, with illegal immigration in the low single digits. Also on the economy, three in 10 had a job loss or layoff in their household in the past three years.
At the better-off end of the spectrum, three in 10 voters report household incomes over $100,000 a year, another group that’s been good for Romney in previous contests this year.

DEBATE/DECISION: About a third of voters call the last pre-primary debate important in their vote today. And about a quarter decided in the last few days, down from a third who said so in 2008. That means three-quarters decided earlier, a group that in most previous contests has tended to be a better one for Romney.

Arizona:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/parsing-the-exit-polls-in-michigan-and-arizona/

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As was the case in every previous exit poll conducted in this nomination race, voters in the Arizona Republican primary overwhelmingly picked the economy as their No. 1 issue in deciding whom to support (about half of all responses). The second biggest issue cited by voters was the budget deficit (about one-third of responses). The economy was the top issue concern for supporters of Mr. Romney, Mr. Santorum and Newt Gingrich, but supporters of Representative Ron Paul felt that the budget deficit was more important.

Also repeating the pattern found in other exit polls this season, Arizona Republican primary voters said that the most important candidate quality was the ability to beat Mr. Obama (nearly two in five responses). While this was true among supporters of Mr. Romney, Mr. Santorum and Mr. Gingrich, supporters of Mr. Paul were more likely to say that being a true conservative was the candidate quality they prized most (about one in three responses).

Half of Republican primary goers in Arizona said that a candidate sharing their religious beliefs was somewhat or greatly important to their vote.

Just as in 2008, about one in five voters said they believed abortion should be illegal in all cases.

While 40 percent of Republican primary voters in Florida said that most illegal immigrants working in the United States should be offered a chance to apply for citizenship, in Arizona this option received the support of only one in three – about equal to the number saying they should be deported.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Politico on February 28, 2012, 07:52:49 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 28, 2012, 07:54:58 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...
Maybe Santorum has that Reagan Democrat appeal that Romney utterly lacks (and will cost him Ohio/Michigan in the general).


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 07:56:28 PM
Courting Dem voters is a not a dumb idea, but it does taint the results of the primary. Interesting to see that Dems choose Santorum because they think Romney is more dangerous. That is actually a plus for Romney, isn't it?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Politico on February 28, 2012, 07:57:17 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...
Maybe Santorum has that Reagan Democrat appeal that Romney utterly lacks (and will cost him Ohio/Michigan in the general).

Who do you think you're kidding? This site is for political junkies, not laymen. We've all seen the reports and Michael Moore's comments...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 28, 2012, 07:57:55 PM
Anyone have links to the google maps?  Thanks!
 

See OP


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
Again, does Michigan actually have party registration or not?  I thought it didn't.  But if not, then how does a campaign even know if the person it's robocalling is a Republican or not?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: TomC on February 28, 2012, 08:00:15 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...
Maybe Santorum has that Reagan Democrat appeal that Romney utterly lacks (and will cost him Ohio/Michigan in the general).

Who do you think you're kidding? This site is for political junkies, not laymen. We've all seen the reports and Michael Moore's comments...

Rude and unnecessary


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: SPQR on February 28, 2012, 08:00:27 PM
When are results expected to begin to come out?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 08:01:41 PM
Michigan does not have party registration, and robocalls are very cheap, so people should get off Santorum's back.

In any case, so far we have:

* Possibly absentee-heavy electorate (good for Romney)
* Possibly older electorate (good for Romney)
* Possibly less Republican electorate (marginally good for Santorum)

Romney is up to about 2-to-1 odds on Intrade, which seems about right.  Looking pretty good for Mitt so far.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Politico on February 28, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...
Maybe Santorum has that Reagan Democrat appeal that Romney utterly lacks (and will cost him Ohio/Michigan in the general).

Who do you think you're kidding? This site is for political junkies, not laymen. We've all seen the reports and Michael Moore's comments...

Rude and unnecessary

It was not intended to be. Obviously he is every bit as much of a political junkie as the rest of us. Let's not pretend that we are trying to convince laymen of something that is just not so. There are no laymen on here. We all know what Democrats were up to in Michigan. Michael Moore and others let that cat out of the bag...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 28, 2012, 08:05:54 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...
Maybe Santorum has that Reagan Democrat appeal that Romney utterly lacks (and will cost him Ohio/Michigan in the general).

Who do you think you're kidding? This site is for political junkies, not laymen. We've all seen the reports and Michael Moore's comments...

Rude and unnecessary

It was not intended to be. Obviously he is every bit as much of a political junkie as the rest of us. Let's not pretend that we are trying to convince laymen of something that is just not so. There are no laymen on here. We all know what Democrats were up to in Michigan. Michael Moore and others let that cat out of the bag...

Obviously you're in denial that Santorum is a better GE candidate than Willard "the trees are the right height" Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:07:33 PM
When are results expected to begin to come out?

Michigan should start reporting something right around now: the bulk of the state has just finished voting. The rest of Michigan and Arizona will be finished voting in an hour.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Politico on February 28, 2012, 08:09:45 PM
If the exit polls are right and 10% of MI voters are Dems, is this a fair way to pick a candidate for the republican party?

Then have closed primaries. I support them but to think that candidates won't court Dems when they're able to vote is ridiculous.

It appears Rick Santorum is the first Republican presidential candidate to ever robocall Democrats asking for their support in a GOP primary. Do you consider this a blemish or a positive for his record? It is certainly not a footnote...
Maybe Santorum has that Reagan Democrat appeal that Romney utterly lacks (and will cost him Ohio/Michigan in the general).

Who do you think you're kidding? This site is for political junkies, not laymen. We've all seen the reports and Michael Moore's comments...

Rude and unnecessary

It was not intended to be. Obviously he is every bit as much of a political junkie as the rest of us. Let's not pretend that we are trying to convince laymen of something that is just not so. There are no laymen on here. We all know what Democrats were up to in Michigan. Michael Moore and others let that cat out of the bag...

Obviously you're in denial that Santorum is a better GE candidate than Willard "the trees are the right height" Romney.

Come on...there is not a single political analyst on the planet who can imagine Rick Santorum becoming the 45th POTUS...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Dancing with Myself on February 28, 2012, 08:10:02 PM
Newt Ginrich just used Hulk Hogan's old theme song for his theme at his speech tonight. Wow, lol


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
Guys, please argue elsewhere.  This is a results thread.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 08:15:25 PM
Newt talking about trees too right now. It's officially the "Tree Primary".


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
The Secretary of State Results pages are linked around post 5.  Arizona ultimately breaks things down by precinct, Michigan by CD by county.  

Here they are again.  First, Michigan:
http://miboecfr.nictusa.com/election/results/12PPR/12PPRall.html

Then, Arizona:
http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/AZ/36496/71726/en/md_data.html?cid=105&

The AP Results pages are here (by county):

Michigan:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_county/MI_Page_0228.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

Arizona:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_county/AZ_Page_0228.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:16:11 PM
First 100+votes in

Santorum 47%
Romney 34%
Paul 14%
Gingrich 4%

Purely symbolic at this point, of course.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mehmentum on February 28, 2012, 08:16:40 PM
Guys, please argue elsewhere.  This is a results thread.
Speaking of which, the first results are in.  Santorum is 14 votes ahead of Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 08:16:53 PM
First Michigan Precinct in... Santorum 49... Romney 35... votes. Woohoo election night!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:18:12 PM
Fast and furious 2.5k in - Santorum leading 45-36 Paul with 12, Newt with just 7.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:18:22 PM
About 2500 votes in

Santorum 41%
Romney 36%
Paul 12%
Gingrich 7%


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Thomas D on February 28, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
I'd have thought the absentee vote would come in first.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:22:20 PM
5k - Santorum 41 - Romney 35 Paul 13 Gingrich 7.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on February 28, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
romney tanking on intrade


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:24:32 PM
12k in - Santorum 44 - Romney 34 Paul 11 Gingrich just 7.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Thomas D on February 28, 2012, 08:24:44 PM

Front running sons of b******!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 08:26:13 PM
Santorum running up some big margins out by Grand Rapids... falling back in Wayne County... wunderbar!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 08:26:15 PM
It is unclear if this exit poll leak is adjusted for absentee voters.  If it isn't, Mittens must be happy.


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It could be a long night – Conservative Intel and JMC Polling & Analytics have just gotten the results of our exclusive exit polling of likely voters in the Michigan Republican primary. At this moment, Michigan is too close to call with Romney at 39% and Santorum at 38%, with a 5% margin of error.

The results:

Mitt Romney: 39%
Rick Santorum: 38%
Ron Paul: 14%
Newt Gingrich: 9%

Oh, and then there is this below, suggesting that it was so adjusted, but how can you ask absentee voters how they voted in an "exit poll?"  Perhaps it was a combo of an exit poll and a telephone poll of some sort. Or perhaps it is just f'ed up.


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I am told the sample for this poll is Michiganders who have voted early, have voted today, or who told the pollster they will be voting by the end of the day.

This is NOT the official Exit Poll !

The official one is conducted by Edison Research, so this must be a regular poll.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:27:44 PM
3 percent in, Romney bounced back:

Santorum 42 Romney 37 Paul 11 Gingrich 7.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 28, 2012, 08:28:30 PM
Time to pour myself a glass of wine.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
4% in, the gap is down to about 330 votes - Santorum 40%, Romney 39%


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
Well, if what we know from the advance voting is truly the quarter pole, we've got a long night.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: GLPman on February 28, 2012, 08:34:34 PM

Same. Cheers. I have a feeling this is going to be a long night.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Thomas D on February 28, 2012, 08:34:57 PM
Santorum up by 93 votes.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 08:35:07 PM
The excitement is killing me... I hope it will last..


Somewhat surprised that Romney is doing better in the Northern part of the Lower Peninsula.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 28, 2012, 08:35:28 PM

Same. Cheers. I have a feeling this is going to be a long night.

Good, I should be able to get home from work at 9:25 CT and still have a long night ahead of me. Sweet!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 28, 2012, 08:35:38 PM
Crossing fingers for Frothy...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 08:35:44 PM
Wine? More like coffee. This looks llike its going to be a long night


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 08:37:38 PM
MI Secretary of State hasn't reported one vote yet.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 28, 2012, 08:38:04 PM

Same. Cheers. I have a feeling this is going to be a long night.

Good, I should be able to get home from work at 9:25 CT and still have a long night ahead of me. Sweet!

What kind of wine, fellas? I'm having a nice Oregon pinot noir myself.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:38:22 PM
6% in. Santorum's lead is back to about 1000 votes - still 40% to 39%


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:39:25 PM
5 percent in. Variance down to +/- 20

Santorum still in the lead by 500.

Santorum+ Romney guaranteed to finish 1-2.

Advance polls are now +/- 5. Romney isn't going to come out with more than a 45-35 lead in advance polls.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 08:40:02 PM
Romney surrogate on MSNBC says they "think" they're gonna win Michigan... wow, what a ringing proclamation!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Thomas D on February 28, 2012, 08:42:36 PM
Romney surrogate on MSNBC says they "think" they're gonna win Michigan... wow, what a ringing proclamation!

Yup. That's the guy I voted against 3 times.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on February 28, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Oh Santorum and Romney are winning primaries? Wake me up when Ron Paul wins something.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
What would count as a clear Romney victory... more than 5 points? He aint gonna get that with these county results.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: TomC on February 28, 2012, 08:44:29 PM
Oh Santorum and Romney are winning primaries? Wake me up when Ron Paul wins something.

Sure thing, Mr. Van Winkle.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:44:41 PM
8% in. Santorum is up by 30 votes!

Update: while I was writing it it became 650 votes :))


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Thomas D on February 28, 2012, 08:45:52 PM
Romney keeps getting close and then Rick pulls away for a bit.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 08:46:04 PM
AP's by CD page:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/MI_GOP_0228_VD.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

Most CDs are close.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 28, 2012, 08:46:19 PM
What areas are in right now?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 08:47:31 PM
Let's go, (p)Rick !


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 08:48:19 PM
And suddenly it is 2500 votes: Santorum 41%, Romney 38%


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:49:28 PM
Romney cap is now 43-36. 7 point maximum Romney lead.

11 in;

Santorum 41 Romney 38 Paul 11 Gingrich 7.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 28, 2012, 08:50:14 PM
Oh Santorum and Romney are winning primaries? Wake me up when Ron Paul wins something.
I will alert you when Alaska comes around?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 28, 2012, 08:50:38 PM
Oh Santorum and Romney are winning primaries? Wake me up when Ron Paul wins something.

You want to sleep for all eternity?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
Will CNN call AZ right after polls close in 10 minutes ?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: retromike22 on February 28, 2012, 08:52:04 PM
Will CNN call AZ right after polls close in 10 minutes ?

I'm pretty sure they will.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
Will CNN call AZ right after polls close in 10 minutes ?

I'm pretty sure they will.

Not if the ARG poll was the correct one ... ;)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 08:55:19 PM
Way to early to call MI folks.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 08:56:13 PM
CD Scorecard:
Santorum leading in 7; Romney leading in 6; No results in 1.

MI-01 Santorum +3
MI-02 Santorum +20
MI-03 Santorum +3
MI-04 Romney +3
MI-05 Romney +7
MI-06 Santorum +8
MI-07 Santorum +5
MI-08 Romney +5
MI-09 No Results
MI-10 Santorum +8
MI-11 Romney +19
MI-12 Romney +7
MI-13 Santorum +10 (Undeclared in second)
MI-14 Romney +42


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 08:56:30 PM
Does the universe love me enough to force a recount... please please please please please!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 08:56:48 PM

Don't you find that Santorum is severely underperforming in many rural places?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 08:58:00 PM
CD Scorecard:
Santorum leading in 7; Romney leading in 6; No results in 1.

MI-01 Santorum +3
MI-02 Santorum +20
MI-03 Santorum +3
MI-04 Romney +3
MI-05 Romney +7
MI-06 Santorum +8
MI-07 Santorum +5
MI-08 Romney +5
MI-09 No Results
MI-10 Santorum +8
MI-11 Romney +19
MI-12 Romney +7
MI-13 Santorum +10 (Undeclared in second)
MI-14 Romney +42

Nice! Where did you get these numbers?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 08:58:54 PM
Who on earth is calling it?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on February 28, 2012, 08:59:43 PM

This, definitely, but still, I'd give a slight edge to Romney at this point compared to time of polls closing. It's basically tied with more southwest-heavy results than the final numbers will be.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:00:22 PM
With 16% reporting, the Santorum lead is down to about 250 votes!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 09:00:39 PM
CD Scorecard:
Santorum leading in 7; Romney leading in 6; No results in 1.

MI-01 Santorum +3
MI-02 Santorum +20
MI-03 Santorum +3
MI-04 Romney +3
MI-05 Romney +7
MI-06 Santorum +8
MI-07 Santorum +5
MI-08 Romney +5
MI-09 No Results
MI-10 Santorum +8
MI-11 Romney +19
MI-12 Romney +7
MI-13 Santorum +10 (Undeclared in second)
MI-14 Romney +42

Nice! Where did you get these numbers?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/MI_GOP_0228_VD.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

When the SoS gets around to reporting results, they will do it for the old CDs - which is meaningless.  The SoS has yet to report a single vote, anyway.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: FloridaRepublican on February 28, 2012, 09:01:00 PM
Romney wins Arizona. The second the polls closed.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 09:01:32 PM

Don't you find that Santorum is severely underperforming in many rural places?

Just got in.  The baseline is to compare Romney 2012 vs. Romney 2008.  Remember that Romney regularly got 30%-35% in a lot of the rural Michigan areas in 2008, so I wouldn't be looking for miracles.

The problem that Santorum will face is that he appears to be underperforming in the Detroit suburbs.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:02:02 PM
17% in: Romney takes the lead for the first time (about 2000 votes at this point)!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 28, 2012, 09:02:26 PM
How have all those precints in the Upper P been in for several minutes already?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
MI Exit Poll:

40 Romney
37 Santorum
13 Paul
  7 Gingrich

AZ Exit Poll:

44 Romney
27 Santorum
16 Gingrich
12 Paul


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 28, 2012, 09:03:57 PM
Damn, this looks bleak now. :(


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:04:14 PM
CNN making a prediction based on an exit poll is a little weird, but OK why not.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 09:04:30 PM

Don't you find that Santorum is severely underperforming in many rural places?

Just got in.  The baseline is to compare Romney 2012 vs. Romney 2008.  Remember that Romney regularly got 30%-35% in a lot of the rural Michigan areas in 2008, so I wouldn't be looking for miracles.

The problem that Santorum will face is that he appears to be underperforming in the Detroit suburbs.

Another point: Santorum's turnout is terrible where he needs it to be good.  Goes to show you how crappy of a candidate he is.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:04:55 PM
Big dumps from Detroit suburbs: Romney 41%, Santorum 38% (almost 5000 votes difference).


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 28, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
How have all those precints in the Upper P been in for several minutes already?
Oh right, nevermind - only a few counties are Central Time.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:07:33 PM
These are absentees still, right? Romney +3 probably isn't going to be enough.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 09:07:51 PM
Romney with a 4500 vote lead


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 09:08:39 PM
I would like to see more Western Michigan, but I would advise betting on Romney right now.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:08:39 PM
AZ is not insignificant for Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 09:09:32 PM
I thpught Ottowa would be better for Rick


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
These are absentees still, right? Romney +3 probably isn't going to be enough.

Probably, a lot more than that. It's 24% reporting, Romney w/ 8500 vote lead.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
CNN making a prediction based on an exit poll is a little weird, but OK why not.

Nothing at all weird about that. Done often enough in safe elections in the US.

And in Germany (and Europe for the most part), the exit polls are considered to be practically the results. Politicians concede defeat and declare victory based off of them.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:11:58 PM
Not gonna be enough for Romney at this point now that absentees are done. He needed them to be decisive. +3 isn't enough.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 09:13:29 PM

Mitt got 35% there in 2008.  Don't see why that would change much.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 09:13:41 PM
Who did CNN call for?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 09:13:50 PM
Not gonna be enough for Romney at this point now that absentees are done. He needed them to be decisive. +3 isn't enough.

Who says absentees are reporting first?  They don't in many states.  If anything, counties have been trending Romney as the votes come in, suggesting absentees aren't coming in first.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: 5280 on February 28, 2012, 09:14:01 PM
They're calling Romney winning Arizona.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:14:18 PM
Santorum chipping away at the lead. *sigh*

This is gonna be a long night.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Reds4 on February 28, 2012, 09:14:28 PM
Anyone have any idea what turnout is like this year compared to 2008 in Michigan so far?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:15:27 PM
Not gonna be enough for Romney at this point now that absentees are done. He needed them to be decisive. +3 isn't enough.

The problem is, it's not like they first count absentees everywhere. It was in early counts that Santorum's been ahead - recently, Romney lead has been steadily growing, not falling (it's now about 9500 votes).


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 09:15:59 PM
Oh. I thought you meant mI lol. Scared me!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
CNN making a prediction based on an exit poll is a little weird, but OK why not.

Nothing at all weird about that. Done often enough in safe elections in the US.

And in Germany (and Europe for the most part), the exit polls are considered to be practically the results. Politicians concede defeat and declare victory based off of them.

In last few election I remember exit poll getting a bad name. Which tells me CNN is 1) wanting to be first in making a projection and 2) that they are very confident in the exit poll.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:17:20 PM
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The problem is, it's not like they first count absentees everywhere. It was in early counts that Santorum's been ahead - recently, Romney lead has been steadily growing, not falling (it's now about 9500 votes).

Absentees are over 25 percent - those votes that put Romney over were still absentees. Now we're getting into the actual ballots.

It's still way, way too early to call it for Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 09:17:41 PM
Romney now leads in 8 CDs to Santorum's 5.  MI-09 isn't in.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:18:19 PM
Romney's lead is now over 10,000 votes.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 09:19:00 PM
Anyone have any idea what turnout is like this year compared to 2008 in Michigan so far?

It'll be around 2008 levels.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
CNN making a prediction based on an exit poll is a little weird, but OK why not.

Nothing at all weird about that. Done often enough in safe elections in the US.

And in Germany (and Europe for the most part), the exit polls are considered to be practically the results. Politicians concede defeat and declare victory based off of them.

In last few election I remember exit poll getting a bad name. Which tells me CNN is 1) wanting to be first in making a projection and 2) that they are very confident in the exit poll.

American exit polls tend to be poor, but it's still a matter of statistics. They might be 5% off....or a bit more, but it's very unlikely that they're off by more than a certain amount.

If CNN has Romney up by...say...15% in the exit poll, then it's really nearly a certainty that it won't be THAT wrong.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 09:19:28 PM
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The problem is, it's not like they first count absentees everywhere. It was in early counts that Santorum's been ahead - recently, Romney lead has been steadily growing, not falling (it's now about 9500 votes).

Absentees are over 25 percent - those votes that put Romney over were still absentees. Now we're getting into the actual ballots.

It's still way, way too early to call it for Romney.

How do you know those votes were absentees?  As ag said, they're not first-counted everywhere.  In some places, they're even last counted.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: rbt48 on February 28, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Well, as a Romney supporter, I'm encouraged by the large number of precincts out in Wayne, Macomb, and Oakland Counties.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:20:19 PM
Even if they aren't, it's still TCTC.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:21:04 PM
Absentees are over 25 percent - those votes that put Romney over were still absentees. Now we're getting into the actual ballots.

It's still way, way too early to call it for Romney.

It is, indeed, too early to call for Romney, but it's getting there. Oakland and Wayne counties are reporting 12%-13%, while the state has reported 30%. And that's where the Romney margin is.

And no, there is no reason to believe, abstentees are counted first everywhere. It's up to each county how they do this.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:22:00 PM
Anyone have any idea what turnout is like this year compared to 2008 in Michigan so far?

Ca. 1 Mio. people voting (+/- 200.000)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 28, 2012, 09:22:10 PM
Well, good news for Santorum is that many of the remaining counties should break for him and Kent county is still at 5%. Will be close.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mr. Morden on February 28, 2012, 09:22:17 PM
MI Exit Poll:

40 Romney
37 Santorum
13 Paul
  7 Gingrich

AZ Exit Poll:

44 Romney
27 Santorum
16 Gingrich
12 Paul

Where's the exit poll?  I don't see it on CNN's website in the usual place.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:23:31 PM
MI Exit Poll:

40 Romney
37 Santorum
13 Paul
  7 Gingrich

AZ Exit Poll:

44 Romney
27 Santorum
16 Gingrich
12 Paul

Where's the exit poll?  I don't see it on CNN's website in the usual place.


http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/mi

http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/az


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:24:03 PM
I'm tempted to make a projection in MI, but I'll hold back for a little longer.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 09:25:59 PM
Time for it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB1kp9adYYE&feature=related

Go Mittens!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
Romney cap still 44. 1/3rd of the way through. Best case, 44-35


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:27:59 PM
It's very steady: 3% lead, which, in absolute terms, is now about 12,000 votes (35% reporting).


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 09:30:00 PM
Congratulations Politico.  :P


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
Wow, Gingrich down to 6. Variance here still might not make him relevant. That's sad.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: TomC on February 28, 2012, 09:33:00 PM


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:33:12 PM
Phil has left the building (or the Forum in this case) !


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 28, 2012, 09:33:39 PM
Phil has left the building (or the Forum in this case) !

I was in the chat. It's been over for awhile. Oh well. Holding out hope for Ohio and such next week.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 09:34:37 PM
I've been pessimistic about Santorum's chances since before the polls closed, but man, Intrade and some commentators are taking pessimism to extremes.  There is no way way that Santorum has only a 3% chance of pulling this off.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on February 28, 2012, 09:34:51 PM
Also of note: AP is still reporting 0 from CD-9, which is likely more Romney than the outer parts of Oakland & Macomb.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 09:35:21 PM
I don't really think this is a game changer. Santorum certainly remains competitive (this is one of Romney's home states, after all), and he's very much established himself as the anti-Romney (lol @ Gingrich's numbers).



Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:36:02 PM
Quote
It's been over for awhile. Oh well. Holding out hope for Ohio and such next week

Still TCTC.

What did you tell us after Iowa -

Never. Give. Up.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:37:21 PM
Romney does pretty well in the upper glove (or should we say "mitten" ?) ... :P


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
11k, margin is narrowing.

What do I get if Santorum comes from behind? :)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 09:39:15 PM
Also of note: AP is still reporting 0 from CD-9, which is likely more Romney than the outer parts of Oakland & Macomb.

Hmm, interesting...

And I still don't understand how the hell these absentees are being counted.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: 5280 on February 28, 2012, 09:39:50 PM
I think Mitt will overtake the entire Mitt (Michigan) by the time they're all counted.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 09:40:15 PM
If Santorum can win the Washington caucus and get a bit of momentum back... Super Tuesday will be painful for Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:40:19 PM
11k, margin is narrowing.

What do I get if Santorum comes from behind? :)

Yeah, it was about 13,000 and now it is about 11,500. Still not time to call it - but, given what's left, Romney should do well.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 09:40:37 PM
Does Rick have a shot at this still or am I gonna be having another wrong one


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wiz in Wis on February 28, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
11k, margin is narrowing.

What do I get if Santorum comes from behind? :)

A towel.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 09:42:03 PM
Also, pay attention to precinct size.  Either Oakland County turnout is big ups (great for Romney), absentees are already counted (good for Santorum) or the remaining precincts tend small (a weird possibility that would probably help Santorum.)

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So far, about 65,000 votes have been counted in Mitt Romney's stronghold of Oakland County, Mich., even though only about 17 percent of its precincts have reported. That would put it on a pace to considerably exceed the 133,000 votes that the county cast in 2008, a good sign for Mr. Romney.

Still, it may be that some of the largest precincts in Oakland County have reported while the smaller ones have not, or that the vote count is heavy with early and absentee ballots. So the vote pace will probably slow down somewhat.

For whatever reason, there's been considerable narrowing in Wayne County.

Mr. Romney is leading in Oakland County by 15 percentage points based on votes counted there so far, slightly behind his 2008 margin of 20 percent but probably good enough to put him on a winning trajectory with a strong turnout there.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:43:00 PM
1) Santorum loses all Delegates in AZ and will split Delegates in MI
2) Double wins be Romney in AZ and MI

1 + 2 = Loss of momentum for Santorum -> worsening media image -> more difficult to fund raise

Bottom line: not a good night for Santorum, boost for Romney


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 09:45:52 PM
... and Santorum takes an 8-5 lead in the CDs.  MI-01, MI-03, MI-04 and MI-05 are really close, with the lead switching hands often.  MI-09 is still all out.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:45:59 PM
W/ 45% reporting it is about 16,500 vote lead for Romney. Getting there.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 09:47:41 PM
And w/ 50% reporting it is just shy of 20,000 votes


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
... and Santorum takes an 8-5 lead in the CDs.  MI-01, MI-03, MI-04 and MI-05 are really close, with the lead switching hands often.  MI-09 is still all out.

We could have the situation that Romney wins the state overall and Santorum gets more Delegates.

Still Santorum will not get the momentum from gaining more delegates than Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 09:49:02 PM
I think there should be some projections...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 28, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
Yup, more than half of the votes in and Romney has a 4-points lead. It's over.

What a shame.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:49:47 PM
Looks like every pollster screwed up at least 1 race so far this year ...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 28, 2012, 09:50:00 PM
Good night for Romney!! That makes me feel good!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
Still TCTC halfway in.

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1 + 2 = Loss of momentum for Santorum -> worsening media image -> more difficult to fund raise

AZ + MI were considered gimmes for Mitt. This is what we folks in the south call a raid. You damage the enemy by raiding on his home turf.

Santorum, if he wins in MI - Mitt is likely done. Mitt had his back up against the wall and still hasn't disposed of the challenger.

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Bottom line: not a good night for Santorum, boost for Romney

Splits the delegates from MI and a win in WA to counter AZ - win for Santorum going into Super Tuesday.

This race ain't over by a long shot.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
W/ 45% reporting it is about 16,500 vote lead for Romney. Getting there.

A lot of this change seems to be urban areas becoming less underreported.  I still don't think Santorum can make this up, but I still assert that tonight's swing toward "Romney is a sure thing" has been one of the bigger election night over-reactions to information I've seen...

The last several dumps have been from the Detroit area and have been fairly eh for Romney.  But Santorum winning the remaining votes by 8% when Detroit is underrepresented...hard to believe.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:52:47 PM
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Yup, more than half of the votes in and Romney has a 4-points lead. It's over.

3 point lead. Same as it's pretty much always been. TCTC.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 28, 2012, 09:55:30 PM
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Yup, more than half of the votes in and Romney has a 4-points lead. It's over.

3 point lead. Same as it's pretty much always been. TCTC.

Face reality. The likelihood of Santorum overcoming such a lead is near zero now.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:55:34 PM
Are the vote counters taking a nap in AZ ?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 09:56:21 PM
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Yup, more than half of the votes in and Romney has a 4-points lead. It's over.

3 point lead. Same as it's pretty much always been. TCTC.

Face reality. The likelihood of Santorum overcoming such a lead is near zero now.

Detroit is still underrepresented in the votes we have now. It seems quite unlikely that Santorum could get the kind of margin he'd need to still win with those outstanding votes.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 09:56:34 PM
Objectively, does Rick have a shot?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 09:56:59 PM
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Face reality. The likelihood of Santorum overcoming such a lead is near zero now.

We shall see.

If the margin is twice the variance I will call it. Until then - no.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 09:57:08 PM
Still TCTC halfway in.

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1 + 2 = Loss of momentum for Santorum -> worsening media image -> more difficult to fund raise

AZ + MI were considered gimmes for Mitt. This is what we folks in the south call a raid. You damage the enemy by raiding on his home turf.

Santorum, if he wins in MI - Mitt is likely done. Mitt had his back up against the wall and still hasn't disposed of the challenger.

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Bottom line: not a good night for Santorum, boost for Romney

Splits the delegates from MI and a win in WA to counter AZ - win for Santorum going into Super Tuesday.

This race ain't over by a long shot.

The republican nomination is not over at all, but Romney should get a boost coming out of these primaries. He has not really been able to profit from his boosts in the past, though.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 28, 2012, 09:58:30 PM

Unlikely, but Romney's margin in Wayne has been shrinking. There is a slim possibility that the more Romney-friendly precincts came in first. Most of the remaining counties that have not reported will probably break for Santorum, but it's unlikely they'll tip the scales.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 09:59:59 PM
Turnout is now about 1 Mio. (+/- 100.000)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 28, 2012, 10:00:42 PM
I really don't understand why the networks haven't called it yet.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:01:15 PM
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The republican nomination is not over at all, but Romney should get a boost coming out of these primaries. He has not really been able to profit from his boosts in the past, though.

We've not seen a vote yet in AZ. Romney won MI by 9 last time. McCain won AZ by 12. Winning MI by 3?

I'm not really sure how this is a bounce for Romney. More like a narrow escape. Especially if he ends up under 40.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:02:46 PM
Nate Silver notes that Romney is generally outperforming his 2008 numbers, which were about where he is now (39.9%)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 28, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
Obama has 88% right now. Will probably end up higher, once the more urban areas are all in.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:04:27 PM
AZ in 3 percent 20 point lead for Romney. Still too early to call.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 10:05:07 PM
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The republican nomination is not over at all, but Romney should get a boost coming out of these primaries. He has not really been able to profit from his boosts in the past, though.

We've not seen a vote yet in AZ. Romney won MI by 9 last time. McCain won AZ by 12. Winning MI by 3?

I'm not really sure how this is a bounce for Romney. More like a narrow escape. Especially if he ends up under 40.

Much of Coconino County is in in the official Arizona SoS tally.  Romney is winning the county, and thus, the state so far.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: retromike22 on February 28, 2012, 10:05:24 PM
FINALLY there are some Arizona votes coming in.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 28, 2012, 10:05:30 PM
Obama has 88% right now. Will probably end up higher, once the more urban areas are all in.

An 88% swing. ;)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 10:06:12 PM
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The republican nomination is not over at all, but Romney should get a boost coming out of these primaries. He has not really been able to profit from his boosts in the past, though.

We've not seen a vote yet in AZ. Romney won MI by 9 last time. McCain won AZ by 12. Winning MI by 3?

I'm not really sure how this is a bounce for Romney. More like a narrow escape. Especially if he ends up under 40.

The media coverage is the key. If they promote Romney as a winner, it should give him a boost. The total delegate count is also not unimportant. Still he has an uphill battle and like I said he has not been able to make much out of his past boosts.

Still for Santorum, he will lose his surge coming out of the last three victories and will also lose a lot of the media coverage that he has had. He will have an even harder time after tonight.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
CNN just announced that 50% of Democrats voted for Santorum according to their Michigan exit poll. LOL!

For Dems, it was 50% Santorum, 18% Romney, and 10% of the voters. So that translates into a 3.2% margin .1(.50-.18), which means that whatever margin Mittens wins by in MI will be 3.2% less than if Dems had not been allowed to vote in the GOP primary. Which further means that among GOP and independents, who are voting for whom their prefer, as opposed to Dems, who mostly or at least in very substantial numbers are voting for whom they want Obama to oppose, the win by Romney is pretty substantial among voters who plan to vote GOP in the General.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 10:06:50 PM
Almost 30,000 vote difference w/ 67% reporting. Yeah, this is getting into the call zone.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:07:09 PM
Whew, good Oakland County dump for Romney.  About ready to call this.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:07:50 PM
CNN just announced that 50% of Democrats voted for Santorum according to their Michigan exit poll. LOL!

For Dems, it was 50% Santorum, 18% Romney, and 10% of the voters. So that translates into a 3.2% margin .1(.50-.18), which is whatever margin Mittens wins by in MI will be 3.2% less than if Dems had not been allowed to vote in the GOP primary. Which means that among GOP and independents, who are voting for whom their prefer, as opposed to Dems, who mostly or at least in very substantial numbers are voting for whom they want Obama to oppose, the win by Romney is pretty substantial among voters who plan to vote GOP in the General.

They've actually downgraded Democrats to 7% of the sample last I checked.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:08:48 PM
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Detroit is still underrepresented in the votes we have now. It seems quite unlikely that Santorum could get the kind of margin he'd need to still win with those outstanding votes.

Lots of precincts still out there that haven't reported at all - and Santorum just needs to get back some of what's already come from Detroit.

And there we go - 50 in AZ right at 10pm EST. The networks are pretty good.

Looks like Rick made the right choice. ARG was way off.  


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 10:09:15 PM
@ 58.5 reporting Mittens up by 4 points.  

Santorum lost the Catholic vote in both MI and AZ.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:10:24 PM
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For Dems, it was 50% Santorum, 18% Romney, and 10% of the voters. So that translates into a 3.2% margin .1(.50-.18), which means that whatever margin Mittens wins by in MI will be 3.2% less than if Dems had not been allowed to vote in the GOP primary. Which further means that among GOP and independents, who are voting for whom their prefer, as opposed to Dems, who mostly or at least in very substantial numbers are voting for whom they want Obama to oppose, the win by Romney is pretty substantial among voters who plan to vote GOP in the General.

Santorum's also winning among Very conservative and conservative.

So if Mittens wants to complain about Reagan democrats crossing over, he needs to take a hard look at the Rockefellers. He's consistantly won among independents and moderates.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
CNN just announced that 50% of Democrats voted for Santorum according to their Michigan exit poll. LOL!

For Dems, it was 50% Santorum, 18% Romney, and 10% of the voters. So that translates into a 3.2% margin .1(.50-.18), which is whatever margin Mittens wins by in MI will be 3.2% less than if Dems had not been allowed to vote in the GOP primary. Which means that among GOP and independents, who are voting for whom their prefer, as opposed to Dems, who mostly or at least in very substantial numbers are voting for whom they want Obama to oppose, the win by Romney is pretty substantial among voters who plan to vote GOP in the General.

They've actually downgraded Democrats to 7% of the sample last I checked.

2.2% shave then. Have you ever noticed how the exit poll results change as the raw vote comes in, so that at the end, the exit poll numbers always match the actual result?  I see this all the time. The exit poll numbers after they come in are massaged to "fit."  That is OK, since one is interested in seeing accurate sub-group numbers, but it should be fully disclosed, and never seems to be so disclosed.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:12:09 PM
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For Dems, it was 50% Santorum, 18% Romney, and 10% of the voters. So that translates into a 3.2% margin .1(.50-.18), which means that whatever margin Mittens wins by in MI will be 3.2% less than if Dems had not been allowed to vote in the GOP primary. Which further means that among GOP and independents, who are voting for whom their prefer, as opposed to Dems, who mostly or at least in very substantial numbers are voting for whom they want Obama to oppose, the win by Romney is pretty substantial among voters who plan to vote GOP in the General.

Santorum's also winning among Very conservative and conservative.

So if Mittens wants to complain about Reagan democrats crossing over, he needs to take a hard look at the Rockefellers. He's consistantly won among independents and moderates.

I don't think the Dems who voted in the GOP primary in MI are mostly "Reagan Democrats." :)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 28, 2012, 10:12:51 PM
So, I get one point at least :) Romney better not finish above 50 in Arizona though...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 10:13:05 PM
Is he conceding?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
At 60.4, Mittens is up 4.4 points.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
NBC calls for Romney


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
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I don't think the Dems who voted in the GOP primary in MI are mostly "Reagan Democrats."

If Mitt wants a closed primary - then the indies and moderates go too. :)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 10:14:14 PM
Santorum that is. He's speaking.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 28, 2012, 10:14:44 PM
Mitt wins.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: ag on February 28, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
They've deleted Hillsdale county results - the last results before that were showing "others" winning there by a big margin.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:16:46 PM
Ok, calling it for Mitt now that I've seen all the counties.

Congrats on holding serve. Onto WA.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: TomC on February 28, 2012, 10:17:12 PM
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I don't think the Dems who voted in the GOP primary in MI are mostly "Reagan Democrats."

If Mitt wants a closed primary - then the indies and moderates go too. :)

Nah, just the indies


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on February 28, 2012, 10:17:44 PM
Fox calling for Mittens.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 28, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
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I don't think the Dems who voted in the GOP primary in MI are mostly "Reagan Democrats."

If Mitt wants a closed primary - then the indies and moderates go too. :)

They do that by registration, not ideology. :P You can't kick out moderates if they are Republican.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 28, 2012, 10:18:23 PM
CNN calls it.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on February 28, 2012, 10:20:30 PM

Your sweet tears will please me.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on February 28, 2012, 10:20:36 PM
Looks likes every time I stay awake to follow a primary's results, it goes wrong. :(


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:21:03 PM
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They do that by registration, not ideology. You can't kick out moderates if they are Republican.

You sure can kick out the Indies. Romney pissing and moaning about Democrats is rich. He wins counties the more liberal they are - the more likely they vote for Romney.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:21:16 PM
Rick was smart to start his speech before MI was called for Mittens, so that he did not need to acknowledge the loss, but alas he is still talking, and talking, after MI was called, so perhaps he should have started 10 minutes earlier.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:26:24 PM
The one place Santorum really did well were the two more rural Dutch counties, Ottawa and Allegan. He won Allegan by close to 2-1.  It is interesting the Dutch are such outliers, after having been in the US for so many generations, yet not having really regressed to the mean much at all. Their very conservative Dutch Reformed church most be a very important part of their lives.

Rick did not do very well with all those blue or semi-blue  collar Catholics in Macomb, or for that matter Saginaw and Midland. Catholics are pretty consistently so far voting for the LDS Mittens, rather than the true blue Catholic Santorum.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 28, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
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They do that by registration, not ideology. You can't kick out moderates if they are Republican.

You sure can kick out the Indies. Romney pissing and moaning about Democrats is rich. He wins counties the more liberal they are - the more likely they vote for Romney.

I didn't say you couldn't kick out the Indies. I said you can't kick out moderates registered as Republicans. ::)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on February 28, 2012, 10:29:12 PM
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They do that by registration, not ideology. You can't kick out moderates if they are Republican.

You sure can kick out the Indies. Romney pissing and moaning about Democrats is rich. He wins counties the more liberal they are - the more likely they vote for Romney.

I didn't say you couldn't kick out the Indies. I said you can't kick out moderates registered as Republicans. ::)

Very funny Yankee. We all know that moderate Republicans are a myth outside of the Northeast.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: tmthforu94 on February 28, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
Tonight is a great night for the Republican Party.

God Bless Michigan.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:31:51 PM
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Rick did not do very well with all those blue or semi-blue  collar Catholics in Macomb, or for that matter Saginaw. Catholics are pretty consistently so far voting for the LDS Mittens, rather than the true blue Catholic Santorum.

Saginaw he is losing 43-40.

Macomb 43-35.

Ottawa, which Santorum won - 50-34 and Alleghan he got 60.

He did about as well in Saginaw (better even, than he did statewide), and just a couple percent shy in Macomb.

I'm not sure where you draw the conclusion that Catholics in those areas voted against Santorum.

It seems to me that he draws especially well from the Dutch, and about average among Catholics.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on February 28, 2012, 10:32:55 PM
Cheering for Trump...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 10:33:24 PM
ARGH!  I knew I should've gone with the safe bet and gone with Romney!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:33:36 PM
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They do that by registration, not ideology. You can't kick out moderates if they are Republican.

You sure can kick out the Indies. Romney pissing and moaning about Democrats is rich. He wins counties the more liberal they are - the more likely they vote for Romney.

I didn't say you couldn't kick out the Indies. I said you can't kick out moderates registered as Republicans. ::)

Very funny Yankee. We all know that moderate Republicans are a myth outside of the Northeast.

I don't live in the NE.  :P  And I bet in my CD, about 15% of the registered Pubs voted for Obama circa 2008 - including me. Cheers.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: retromike22 on February 28, 2012, 10:34:15 PM
I wonder what the results of the Arizona border counties will be, none of them have shown up yet.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 10:34:25 PM
Rick did not do very well with all those blue or semi-blue  collar Catholics in Macomb, or for that matter Saginaw and Midland. Catholics are pretty consistently so far voting for the LDS Mittens, rather than the true blue Catholic Santorum.

Eh, I suspect it's more like deja vu in these areas.  In other words, Santorum lost to Mitt Romney's father tonight, much like he lost to Bob Casey's father in PA.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:34:35 PM
Santorum starting to make a push. 30k down with 20 percent left.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mopsus on February 28, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
ARGH!  I knew I should've gone with the safe bet and gone with Romney!
I know, right? But with Santorum's history of last-minute surges, it just seemed like he'd be able to pull off another surprise victory. Oh, well.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
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Rick did not do very well with all those blue or semi-blue  collar Catholics in Macomb, or for that matter Saginaw. Catholics are pretty consistently so far voting for the LDS Mittens, rather than the true blue Catholic Santorum.

Saginaw he is losing 43-40.

Macomb 43-35.

Ottawa, which Santorum won - 50-34 and Alleghan he got 60.

He did about as well in Saginaw (better even, than he did statewide), and just a couple percent shy in Macomb.

I'm not sure where you draw the conclusion that Catholics in those areas voted against Santorum.

It seems to me that he draws especially well from the Dutch, and about average among Catholics.

It will be interesting to see what the exit poll says, if it has that breakdown for Catholics, who tend to be more concentrated in urban zones where Mittens does better.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:39:14 PM
I wonder what the results of the Arizona border counties will be, none of them have shown up yet.

I haven't looked at the Arizona results at all, but if the exit polls are right and Romney is doing somewhat anemically among Hispanics, my guess is that Santorum might threaten to tie a few counties there.  I would watch Yuma County (which also has a fair number of evangelicals I think) for being semi-close, and especially Santa Cruz County.

edit: Considering that Tucson's county will obviously be Romney, and I don't know if there's more than one other county on the border, "a few" counties might be an overstatement.  He has a shot at Santa Cruz and might not get blown out of the water in Yuma.  I don't remember what the last county is...


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:40:49 PM
Yeah, it will be interesting. This isn't a very dominant win for Mittens, that's for sure.

He did well enough to win, but I don't think he draws much momentum, if anything from MI.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: retromike22 on February 28, 2012, 10:44:04 PM
Romney's audience:

"Obama does (blank)"
"Boo!"
"I'll do the opposite"
"Yay!"


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 10:44:21 PM
Yeah, it will be interesting. This isn't a very dominant win for Mittens, that's for sure.

He did well enough to win, but I don't think he draws much momentum, if anything from MI.

A win is a win, especially when reported as such.  The margin really doesn't matter - nor does the fact that it looks like Santorum will win more delegates, if the AP tallies hold.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:45:08 PM
Yuma, Santorum did well, but not well enough. Could be the first county sweep for Mitt, depending on Santa Cruz and Cochise.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on February 28, 2012, 10:45:13 PM
Obama?  Raising taxes?  Does Mitt even pick up a newspaper?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
haha, Yuma County is 98% in.  38-32 Romney; closer than I'd have thought.  That was a waste of mental energy.

Nothing from Santa Cruz, though.  If Yuma was that close, and the white voters in Santa Cruz are similar to Yuma's (no idea), it will vote Santorum.

Cohise County is a weird place, but it doesn't seem much like Yuma or Santa Cruz to me, and has a fairly small Hispanic population.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:47:09 PM
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A win is a win, especially when reported as such.  The margin really doesn't matter - nor does the fact that it looks like Santorum will win more delegates, if the AP tallies hold.

Phyrric victory.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Franzl on February 28, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Obama?  Raising taxes?  Does Mitt even pick up a newspaper?

Mitt certainly knows it's bull, but he doesn't care. That's what his audience wants to hear.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 10:49:57 PM
Not a bad speech by Romney. Good jabs at Obama, short and to the point. That should give him some plus-points as well.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 28, 2012, 10:51:18 PM
Well, I think Romney has finally locked down the nomination.

Hopefully we'll get one last Gingrich surge on Super Tuesday though. Tonight's results are great news for him. He'll definitely hold onto Georgia now and he might grab a couple of other states too.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 28, 2012, 10:52:15 PM
Looks like Cochise is tracking pretty similar to Yuma, 39-33 Romney with 73% in.  Santa Clara is probably Santorum then, unless the exit polls were wrong.  Even the Republicans might be majority Hispanic there.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 10:52:58 PM
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Well, I think Romney has finally locked down the nomination.

Because he held serve in states he was expected to win? I don't see it.

As for Gingrich - tonight was a horrible night for him.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: J. J. on February 28, 2012, 10:55:31 PM
I can't tell for sure, but I think Romney got a majority of the delegates.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on February 28, 2012, 11:04:03 PM
considering the libertarian tradition there, it's odd Paul is doing so poorly in AZ.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 11:06:30 PM
Obama?  Raising taxes?  Does Mitt even pick up a newspaper?

Mitt certainly knows it's bull, but he doesn't care. That's what his audience wants to hear.

Obama has wanted to raise taxes on the "rich," and on investment income even for the non-rich, and such. Of course, to avoid BK to implement Obama's vision, as opposed to a more modest GOP one, taxes will need to be raised more than otherwise, and it will be a tax increase on the middle class in any event - it is just a matter of degree depending on the vision. Well granted, nobody knows what Obama's vision is really on dealing with the entitlement bear. It is as if for him, such a bear is about as real as Big Foot. Ignore the specter of the bear at your own risk, because it may just be that it is not only real, but an irritable Grizzly.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: yourelection on February 28, 2012, 11:06:56 PM
So I've added my thoughts on the primaries to the blog (http://www.yourelection.net/2012/02/michigan-and-arizona-primary-2012/) and it's now time to call it a night.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 28, 2012, 11:10:23 PM
This is the Oakland County precinct winner map so far, from the county's elections website.  Romney is in peach, Santorum yellow, and Paul red. 

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The town with the red in the middle of the county is Pontiac.  Santorum also did well in Southfield and other areas near 8 Mile.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 28, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
Good night!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: LastVoter on February 28, 2012, 11:11:22 PM
Can anybody link the story about how MI primary became open to help Mittens?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Likely Voter on February 28, 2012, 11:16:43 PM
tonight is a great night for android-americans. Robots are people too


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on February 28, 2012, 11:22:03 PM
:'(


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: tpfkaw on February 28, 2012, 11:22:20 PM
Can anybody link the story about how MI primary became open to help Mittens?

Looks like it hurt him: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=149870.0


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: LastVoter on February 28, 2012, 11:27:48 PM
Can anybody link the story about how MI primary became open to help Mittens?

Looks like it hurt him: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=149870.0
Yea that's why I want to find the link to the story where Rick Snyder made the primary open to help Mittens.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: greenforest32 on February 28, 2012, 11:31:08 PM
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Michigan Primary
February 28, 2012
92.4% reporting (4833/5233)

Romney - 382,340 (41.1%)
Santorum - 351,370 (37.8%)
Paul - 109,016 (11.7%)
Gingrich - 60,681 (6.5%)
Perry - 1,816 (0.2%)
Bachmann - 1,702 (0.2%)
Huntsman - 1,638 (0.2%)
Cain - 1,192 (0.1%)

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Romney at 47.5% in Arizona with 73.6% reporting

>:(


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on February 28, 2012, 11:40:44 PM
From everything I've heard from people who were on the fence yesterday, it was the robo call that pushed them to Romney today.  I haven't talked to a single person who liked Santorum's push for Democrats to vote for him.  I think that robo call cost him the election tonight.  So, I say my prediction was sound based on polling... it was that robo call that pushed everybody to Romney late yesterday and today.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: California8429 on February 28, 2012, 11:40:57 PM
Dangit! Last night I changed my prediction from Romney to Santorum


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on February 28, 2012, 11:44:30 PM
Well damn it.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Torie on February 28, 2012, 11:45:18 PM
I wonder if Mittens has a new speech writer. His victory speech was more lyrical than normal, with better "chord" changes. It was written by a rather talented pro. If a newbie, Mittens should keep him close.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Sam Spade on February 28, 2012, 11:47:31 PM
I wonder if Mittens has a new speech writer. His victory speech was more lyrical than normal, with better "chord" changes. It was written by a rather talented pro. If a newbie, Mittens should keep him close.

Whatever, don't name who he is, because Mitt's team will fire him once that occurs.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 28, 2012, 11:48:34 PM
We still have a long way to go.  Next Tuesday will tell a lot.  Mittens has Virginia in the bag, but other than free delegates, it doesn't count. Ohio could go either Romney or Santorum.  Georgia is Gingrich, Tennessee and Oklahoma are likely Santorum, but possible Gingrich.  North Dakota, IMO, could go Romney or Santorum based on Minnesota.  Idaho is Romney country.  Massachusetts, Vermont, and Alaska are Romney.

Based on this scenario, Romney has 5, possibly 8, states next Tuesday, Santorum has possibly 4, Gingrich has 1, and Paul gets shutout.

This may be too favorable for Romney, but it's how I see it currently.  We'll have to wait and see how the post-February 28 polls look like and see what happens in Wyoming and Washington State tomorrow and Saturday, respectively.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 28, 2012, 11:50:33 PM
Dangit.  Why did Gingrich and Paul have to underperform?  I figured Mitt would win Michigan with a shade under 40% not a shade over 40%.  It looks like I'll be getting only 1 point instead of 2 points from the land of two peninsulae.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 28, 2012, 11:53:33 PM
Santorum lost that one UP county by one vote and its neighbor by four votes. Five damn votes cost Santorum the UP. Five.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: redcommander on February 28, 2012, 11:54:33 PM
Tonight is a great night for the Republican Party.

God Bless Michigan.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Mopsus on February 28, 2012, 11:56:28 PM
Santorum lost that one UP county by one vote and its neighbor by four votes. Five damn votes cost Santorum the UP. Five.
Speaking of Mackinac county, I just noticed that Santorum received exactly 666 votes there.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Likely Voter on February 29, 2012, 12:01:53 AM
Looking at the exit polls, it seems that Rick lost MI at the debate last week.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 12:18:06 AM
Michigan, Romney wins Catholics, CATHOLICS, 44 to 37 over Santorum.

Well done Mitt!


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Meeker on February 29, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Michigan, Romney wins Catholics, CATHOLICS, 44 to 37 over Santorum.

Well done Mitt!

... he lost Protestants 42-40.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: redcommander on February 29, 2012, 12:27:02 AM
Did Michigan and Arizona both have record turn out?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 12:32:52 AM
Nebraska, Arizona, Michigan.

The Nebraska corn is growing a little more golden.

The Arizona sun is shining a little brighter.

The Michigan auto industry is veritably humming along.

THE MITT EFFECT


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 29, 2012, 12:41:03 AM
Romney's entire statewide margin of victory basically comes from Oakland county.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: RI on February 29, 2012, 12:43:19 AM
Nebraska, Arizona, Michigan.

The Nebraska corn is growing a little more golden.

The Arizona sun is shining a little brighter.

The Michigan auto industry is veritably humming along.

THE MITT EFFECT

Why are you talking about Nebraska?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 12:52:02 AM
Nebraska, Arizona, Michigan.

The Nebraska corn is growing a little more golden.

The Arizona sun is shining a little brighter.

The Michigan auto industry is veritably humming along.

THE MITT EFFECT

Why are you talking about Nebraska?

Sorry, Wyoming.  :)



Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: socaldem on February 29, 2012, 12:54:05 AM
So what are the CD results?

Santorum definitely won CDs 2,3,4,6 and looks like he also secured CD 7.

Romney won CDs 8,9,11,12,14

I think Romney also pulled out wins in CDs 1, 5 and 10.

I think Romney won 13, but I wouldn't be so sure (seeing how well Santorum performed in Dem areas of Oakland County)...

When the first returns came in, which would be only GOP-registered absentee voters, Romney was winning Wayne County and Washtentow, each, with over 50%.  By the end of the night, that margin in Wayne was wheedled down to 41.6% -33.2% and, in Washtentow, it was only 41.8%-37.6%.  I think the difference is attributed to election day Dem voters pulling the lever for Santorum.  It can be presumed that much of Romney's margins came from GOP-leaning areas of Wayne County--Livonia, Grosse Pointe, etc... Could Santorum have actually won Dem-heavy CD 13?  How close was CD 12?

Oakland County doesn't give breakdowns of the distribution of votes in new CDs but Rick Santorum bested Romney in the old CD12 in Southern Oakland County (currently rep'ed by Levin).
 


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 29, 2012, 12:55:15 AM
I'm kind of surprised the networks projected Michigan as early as they did. It was rather close.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: RI on February 29, 2012, 12:57:33 AM
So what are the CD results?

Santorum definitely won CDs 2,3,4,6 and looks like he also secured CD 7.

Romney won CDs 8,9,11,12,14

I think Romney also pulled out wins in CDs 1, 5 and 10.

I think Romney won 13, but I wouldn't be so sure (seeing how well Santorum performed in Dem areas of Oakland County)...

When the first returns came in, which would be only GOP-registered absentee voters, Romney was winning Wayne County and Washtentow, each, with over 50%.  By the end of the night, that margin in Wayne was wheedled down to 41.6% -33.2% and, in Washtentow, it was only 41.8%-37.6%.  I think the difference is attributed to election day Dem voters pulling the lever for Santorum.  It can be presumed that much of Romney's margins came from GOP-leaning areas of Wayne County--Livonia, Grosse Pointe, etc... Could Santorum have actually won Dem-heavy CD 13?  How close was CD 12?

Oakland County doesn't give breakdowns of the distribution of votes in new CDs but Rick Santorum bested Romney in the old CD12 in Southern Oakland County (currently rep'ed by Levin).
 

According to the results the AP has up, Santorum leads in CDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 10, and 13. He also narrowly trails in CD 5. Two of those could realistically flip against Santorum as the vote totals are rather incomplete (10 and 13).


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
The Romney win in Michigan is remarkable given that he was trailing by maybe 9 or 10 points two weeks ago, and due to the fact that thousands of cross over Democrats cast mischief votes for Santorum knowing he would be a much weaker opponent for their real candidate, Obama.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 01:14:28 AM
Nebraska, Arizona, Michigan.

The Nebraska corn is growing a little more golden.

The Arizona sun is shining a little brighter.

The Michigan auto industry is veritably humming along.

THE MITT EFFECT

Why are you talking about Nebraska?

Sorry, Wyoming.  :)



The Wyoming mountains are standing a little more majestic.  :)


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 29, 2012, 01:20:11 AM
According to the results the AP has up, Santorum leads in CDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 10, and 13. He also narrowly trails in CD 5. Two of those could realistically flip against Santorum as the vote totals are rather incomplete (10 and 13).

Unless there is something very non-uniform in the split jurisdictions for which I can't break down the data, Romney won MI-10 by over 3,000 votes.  In particular, I don't which precincts of Sterling Heights, Macomb County are in MI-10 and don't have a breakdown of the Tuscola County vote, which is in two CDs.  

I'll try to calculate MI-05.  Edited to add: I can't because of the Tuscola split.

The Wayne County Board of Elections' website doesn't provide precinct level data, so breaking down MI-13 and the Wayne part of MI-14 is impossible right now.  Despite the map, Romney won the Oakland part of MI-14 big, about 12,700 to 7,400.   We might see the same phenomenon in the suburban parts of MI-13, trumping any low-turnout Santorum precincts from Detroit.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: socaldem on February 29, 2012, 01:21:14 AM
So what are the CD results?

Santorum definitely won CDs 2,3,4,6 and looks like he also secured CD 7.

Romney won CDs 8,9,11,12,14

I think Romney also pulled out wins in CDs 1, 5 and 10.

I think Romney won 13, but I wouldn't be so sure (seeing how well Santorum performed in Dem areas of Oakland County)...

When the first returns came in, which would be only GOP-registered absentee voters, Romney was winning Wayne County and Washtentow, each, with over 50%.  By the end of the night, that margin in Wayne was wheedled down to 41.6% -33.2% and, in Washtentow, it was only 41.8%-37.6%.  I think the difference is attributed to election day Dem voters pulling the lever for Santorum.  It can be presumed that much of Romney's margins came from GOP-leaning areas of Wayne County--Livonia, Grosse Pointe, etc... Could Santorum have actually won Dem-heavy CD 13?  How close was CD 12?

Oakland County doesn't give breakdowns of the distribution of votes in new CDs but Rick Santorum bested Romney in the old CD12 in Southern Oakland County (currently rep'ed by Levin).
 

According to the results the AP has up, Santorum leads in CDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 10, and 13. He also narrowly trails in CD 5. Two of those could realistically flip against Santorum as the vote totals are rather incomplete (10 and 13).

Do you have a link...I guess Santorum did pull out CD1...I'm skeptical of wins for him in CDs 10 and 13...and CD 12 went to Romney for sure?


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 29, 2012, 01:46:59 AM
Do you have a link...I guess Santorum did pull out CD1...I'm skeptical of wins for him in CDs 10 and 13...and CD 12 went to Romney for sure?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/MI_GOP_0228_VD.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS


As of right now, Santorum leads in 7 CDs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 13.  Romney leads in 7 CDs: 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14.  MI-05 is very close, with Romney leading by 38 votes with 4% yet to report.  MI-10 flipped back to Romney.  MI-13 and MI-14 are the most incomplete.  As I said earlier, the Oakland County part of MI-14 is all in on their website.  Romney crushed Santorum in the Oakland part of MI-14, with more votes than the AP tally currently shows.

The most likely scenarios appear to be 8-6 Santorum, 8-6 Romney or a 7-7tie.  If it's 8-6 Santorum, I think the delegate take is tied, as Romney gets 2 delegates for winning the statewide vote.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: socaldem on February 29, 2012, 01:47:43 AM
According to the results the AP has up, Santorum leads in CDs 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 10, and 13. He also narrowly trails in CD 5. Two of those could realistically flip against Santorum as the vote totals are rather incomplete (10 and 13).

Unless there is something very non-uniform in the split jurisdictions for which I can't break down the data, Romney won MI-10 by over 3,000 votes.  In particular, I don't which precincts of Sterling Heights, Macomb County are in MI-10 and don't have a breakdown of the Tuscola County vote, which is in two CDs.  

I'll try to calculate MI-05.  Edited to add: I can't because of the Tuscola split.

The Wayne County Board of Elections' website doesn't provide precinct level data, so breaking down MI-13 and the Wayne part of MI-14 is impossible right now.  Despite the map, Romney won the Oakland part of MI-14 big, about 12,700 to 7,400.   We might see the same phenomenon in the suburban parts of MI-13, trumping any low-turnout Santorum precincts from Detroit.

I think you are absolutely correct about MI-10...Romney's margins in Macomb just overwhelmed the rest of the district...

I don't know about MI-13. I just don't think there are all that many GOPers in that district. The more suburbanish parts of that district are still overwhelmingly Democratic--like 60%+ Obama.  We know that Santorum won the current CD12 portions of Oakland, which are probably not all that dissimilar from the "suburban" (i.e. white) parts of the district.  Then, of course, there are the parts of the district in Detroit proper.  I can believe that Santorum won the district, and perhaps he even did it somewhat handily.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 29, 2012, 01:48:21 AM
Did Michigan and Arizona both have record turn out?

No.

In Michigan, turnout is now about 1 Mio. with almost everything in. This is up from 2008, but down from the 1.25 Mio. in the 2000 primaries. If you adjust the numbers for the Democrats and Indys taking part tonight, Republican "only" turnout could even be lower or the same as 2008. Need to do some calculations later.

In Arizona, turnout is even down from 2008, with only 470.000 or so turning out. That is down by about 100.000 from 2008.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 01:49:09 AM
Romney hits 50% in Arizona!  :D


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: RI on February 29, 2012, 01:49:29 AM
Do you have a link...I guess Santorum did pull out CD1...I'm skeptical of wins for him in CDs 10 and 13...and CD 12 went to Romney for sure?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/MI_GOP_0228_VD.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS


As of right now, Santorum leads in 7 CDs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 13.  Romney leads in 7 CDs: 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14.  MI-05 is very close, with Romney leading by 38 votes with 4% yet to report.  MI-10 flipped back to Romney.  MI-13 and MI-14 are the most incomplete.  As I said earlier, the Oakland County part of MI-14 is all in on their website.  Romney crushed Santorum in the Oakland part of MI-14, with more votes than the AP tally currently shows.

The most likely scenarios appear to be 8-6 Santorum, 8-6 Romney or a 7-7tie.  If it's 8-6 Santorum, I think the delegate take is tied, as Romney gets 2 delegates for winning the statewide vote.


Uh, if it's 8-6 Santorum, Rick gets 16 CD delegates and Romney gets 12 CD delegates plus two for statewide, giving Santorum a 16-14 win.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: RI on February 29, 2012, 01:50:27 AM

Are you on crack? There are no results that show that.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: retromike22 on February 29, 2012, 01:53:44 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Arizona is the first state where Romney has won ALL the counties.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 29, 2012, 01:57:12 AM
Do you have a link...I guess Santorum did pull out CD1...I'm skeptical of wins for him in CDs 10 and 13...and CD 12 went to Romney for sure?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/MI_GOP_0228_VD.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS


As of right now, Santorum leads in 7 CDs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 13.  Romney leads in 7 CDs: 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14.  MI-05 is very close, with Romney leading by 38 votes with 4% yet to report.  MI-10 flipped back to Romney.  MI-13 and MI-14 are the most incomplete.  As I said earlier, the Oakland County part of MI-14 is all in on their website.  Romney crushed Santorum in the Oakland part of MI-14, with more votes than the AP tally currently shows.

The most likely scenarios appear to be 8-6 Santorum, 8-6 Romney or a 7-7tie.  If it's 8-6 Santorum, I think the delegate take is tied, as Romney gets 2 delegates for winning the statewide vote.


Uh, if it's 8-6 Santorum, Rick gets 16 CD delegates and Romney gets 12 CD delegates plus two for statewide, giving Santorum a 16-14 win.

You are correct.  The delegate take should be 16-14 Santorum, if he wins 8 CDs, 16-14 Romney, if Santorum wins 7 CDs and 18-12 Romney if Santorum wins 6 CDs.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: RI on February 29, 2012, 01:58:53 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Arizona is the first state where Romney has won ALL the counties.

Yes, that is true. It is the second overall monochromatic state after Missouri.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Lincoln Republican on February 29, 2012, 02:09:25 AM

I don't smoke, anything, and do not take any illicit drugs of any kind.

It was on CNN when they were talking to, I believe, the Chairman of the Arizona Republican Party.

If I am mistaken, I stand corrected.  But that is my understanding of what was said.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Tender Branson on February 29, 2012, 02:25:07 AM

I don't smoke, anything, and do not take any illicit drugs of any kind.

It was on CNN when they were talking to, I believe, the Chairman of the Arizona Republican Party.

If I am mistaken, I stand corrected.  But that is my understanding of what was said.


http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/AZ/36496/71939/en/summary.html

Romney is at 47%, with just a few precincts from a tiny county left.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: socaldem on February 29, 2012, 02:28:15 AM
Do you have a link...I guess Santorum did pull out CD1...I'm skeptical of wins for him in CDs 10 and 13...and CD 12 went to Romney for sure?

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/MI_GOP_0228_VD.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS


As of right now, Santorum leads in 7 CDs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 13.  Romney leads in 7 CDs: 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 14.  MI-05 is very close, with Romney leading by 38 votes with 4% yet to report.  MI-10 flipped back to Romney.  MI-13 and MI-14 are the most incomplete.  As I said earlier, the Oakland County part of MI-14 is all in on their website.  Romney crushed Santorum in the Oakland part of MI-14, with more votes than the AP tally currently shows.

The most likely scenarios appear to be 8-6 Santorum, 8-6 Romney or a 7-7tie.  If it's 8-6 Santorum, I think the delegate take is tied, as Romney gets 2 delegates for winning the statewide vote.


Uh, if it's 8-6 Santorum, Rick gets 16 CD delegates and Romney gets 12 CD delegates plus two for statewide, giving Santorum a 16-14 win.

Santorum 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7,
Romney 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14

Romney Leading (subject to recount): CD 5
Santorum Leading: CD 13

Romney has most likely won CD-5:

96% reporting

Romney, Mitt   GOP   19,642   39%   
Santorum, Rick   GOP   19,604   39%   

Santorum barely leads in CD-13:

38% reporting

Romney, Mitt   GOP   19,642   39%   
Santorum, Rick   GOP   19,604   39%   

Final results unknown unless someone has access to Wayne Co precinct data...

I think its likely 7-7 or 6 Santorum to 8 Romney


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: RI on February 29, 2012, 02:33:30 AM
Only redeeming part of the night was when Ann Romney said that she's been "up and down, all over the tip of the mitt", and Alex Castellanos's awkward reference to it later.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on February 29, 2012, 02:38:02 AM
Operation Hilarity was in effect to an extent: in "hipster"/alt Ferndale, Santorum performed decently and nearly beat out Romney (although Paul came in first). There were fewer signs of this occurring in Ann Arbor: in the affluent east side of town, Romney romped (and turnout was fairly high). Santorum certainly overperformed in the rest of the city but there were no signs of a huge effort by Democrats to vote in the GOP primary, especially in the university precincts.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 29, 2012, 02:46:06 AM
Final results unknown unless someone has access to Wayne Co precinct data...

I think its likely 7-7 or 6 Santorum to 8 Romney

Wayne County put its precinct data up here:
www.waynecounty.com/documents/elections_docs/pre1.pdf

Unfortunately, it's not in any Excel-readable format.  It looks like Santorum or Paul won the election day vote in many of the MI-13 precincts, but Romney won the absentees.  Without being able to put the data into Excel, I'm not sure which provided the larger margin, though quick eyeballing seems to give Santorum the win.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Alcon on February 29, 2012, 02:48:03 AM
Not only is that not Excel-compatible formatting, it's not even data formatting.  It's a scanned photocopy of a computer print-out.  Way to go Wayne County.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: retromike22 on February 29, 2012, 02:55:32 AM
Only redeeming part of the night was when Ann Romney said that she's been "up and down, all over the tip of the mitt", and Alex Castellanos's awkward reference to it later.

Hahaha that was hilarious when I saw it.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 29, 2012, 05:07:20 AM
Romney and Santorum are pretty much even in the parts of MI-13 that are not in Detroit.  Paul won Detroit, with Santorum coming in second and beating Romney by about 2,450.  Adding any part of Detroit to the rest of MI-13 should push that CD into the Santorum column.

The most likely scenarios are a 7-7 tie or 8-6 Santorum, depending on the outcome of MI-05.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 29, 2012, 10:14:38 AM
Quote
Unfortunately, it's not in any Excel-readable format.  It looks like Santorum or Paul won the election day vote in many of the MI-13 precincts, but Romney won the absentees.  Without being able to put the data into Excel, I'm not sure which provided the larger margin, though quick eyeballing seems to give Santorum the win.

Do you want me to put this in a machine readable format - I do this work all the time?
 










Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: rob in cal on February 29, 2012, 11:33:53 AM
Anyone have any insight on why Romney did so well in Oakland county.  He did better there than any other Detroit area county by far, and his margin there won him the state.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Eraserhead on February 29, 2012, 11:46:30 AM
Santorum lost that one UP county by one vote and its neighbor by four votes. Five damn votes cost Santorum the UP. Five.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J54fc8mDbZ0


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Linus Van Pelt on February 29, 2012, 12:21:17 PM
Anyone have any insight on why Romney did so well in Oakland county.  He did better there than any other Detroit area county by far, and his margin there won him the state.

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Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: cinyc on February 29, 2012, 12:44:14 PM
AP tally now confirms a Santorum win in MI-13 with 94% in.  MI-05 also flipped back to Santorum.  All but 7 MI-05 precincts are in, and while it could still flip back, Santorum's lead is a sizeable 269 votes. 

8-6 Santorum is looking like the most likely scenario, meaning Santorum won the most delegates, 16-14.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Erc on February 29, 2012, 02:32:54 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, it's not in any Excel-readable format.  It looks like Santorum or Paul won the election day vote in many of the MI-13 precincts, but Romney won the absentees.  Without being able to put the data into Excel, I'm not sure which provided the larger margin, though quick eyeballing seems to give Santorum the win.

Do you want me to put this in a machine readable format - I do this work all the time?
 

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, I'd love it; I really do not trust the AP here, especially in CD-14.


Title: Re: Official Michigan and Arizona Results thread
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on February 29, 2012, 06:53:13 PM
Ok, when I get a moment I'll do it.