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Title: Canadian Senate elections Post by: RogueBeaver on March 09, 2012, 03:03:36 PM Under the American formula- 2 per province. What would its partisan composition be? Name nominees if you want, rather than just Generic L/C/NDP/BQ.
Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 09, 2012, 03:22:54 PM That would mean 20 Senators. Quite unlikely...
Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: RogueBeaver on March 09, 2012, 03:30:59 PM Or use the current formula.
Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 10, 2012, 09:36:38 AM Or use the current formula. So, Quebec's 24 Senators would be elected based on those archaic Senate districts that were created before 1867 and dont even cover the entire province? Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Smid on March 10, 2012, 06:42:02 PM The Australian model is twelve Senators from each state, half elected at each election, using STV (but above-the-line voting makes it behave more like a closed list), plus two from each territory, with the territorial senators both elected at every election. That might work? I know it means more Senators than MPs in some provinces, which is contrary to your Constitution, but our Constitution sets a minimum of 5 MPs per state and doesn't require MPs to outnumber Senators in each state, just generally across the country.
Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 10, 2012, 07:03:39 PM We should probably start this in the early 1990s, when Senate reform almost became reality.
Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: tpfkaw on March 14, 2012, 08:00:54 PM Well, let's suppose it's the same as the US system, but with 3 senators per province. If we just simply use the province-wide results for '04 (for comparison's sake), '06 and '08, and average '08 and '11 for '10...
Alberta '04: Conservative '06: Conservative '08: Conservative '10: Conservative Senate: 3 Conservatives British Columbia '04: Conservative '06: Conservative '08: Conservative '10: Conservative Senate: 3 Conservatives Manitoba '04: Conservative '06: Conservative '08: Conservative '10: Conservative Senate: 3 Conservatives New Brunswick '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Conservative '10: Conservative Senate: 2 Conservatives, 1 Liberal Newfoundland and Labrador '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Liberal '10: Liberal Senate: 3 Liberals Nova Scotia '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Liberal '10: Conservative Senate: 2 Liberal, 1 Conservative Ontario '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Conservative '10: Conservative Senate: 2 Conservative, 1 Liberal Prince Edward Island '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Liberal '10: Liberal Senate: 3 Liberal Quebec '04: BQ '06: BQ '08: BQ '10: BQ Senate: 3 BQ Saskatchewan '04: Conservative '06: Conservative '08: Conservative '11: Conservative Senate: 3 Conservative Total: 17 Tories, 10 Liberals, 3 Bloquistes If territories are included: Northwest Territories '04: Liberal '06: NDP '08: NDP '10: NDP Senate: 3 NDP Nunavut '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Conservative '10: Conservative Senate: 2 Conservative, 1 Liberal Yukon '04: Liberal '06: Liberal '08: Liberal '10: Liberal Senate: 3 Liberals Total: 19 Tories, 14 Liberals, 3 NDP, 3 Bloquistes Ironically, it's surprisingly representative of popular support, especially(!) if the territories are included. Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Hatman 🍁 on March 14, 2012, 11:22:27 PM Yuck.
I could see NDP Senators getting elected in BC, Manitoba and Nova Scotia these days. Maybe even newfoundland if Jack Harris ran for Senate. Gary Doer would get elected to Senate for Manitoba and Chisholm or Alexa McDonough in Nova Scotia. And of course, Mulcair in Quebec. In my time line that i've temporarily abandoned, I had made Senate districts, but each district was elected like in the U.S. Like, Ontario would have 24 Senators divided among 8 districts. Each Senator would have six year terms. Each district would have 3 Senators, and would be electing a different one every two years. Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Smid on March 15, 2012, 03:41:40 AM Wormy, Tories outpolled Grits in 2011 in PEI. Of course, candidate could make a difference.
Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: tpfkaw on March 15, 2012, 01:25:11 PM Wormy, Tories outpolled Grits in 2011 in PEI. Of course, candidate could make a difference. Like I said, I averaged the results of '08 and '11. Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: ottermax on March 15, 2012, 02:18:14 PM I think Australian style STV would work best for Canada, although maybe fewer Senators for some of the maritime provinces, and more for Ontario and Quebec?
Would Greens get seats? Or would the Senate just have provincial parties? If it was done FPTP I'm sure most provinces would elect a mix of parties and base it more on the person than the party. I can't imagine BC having only Tory senators. Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: RogueBeaver on March 15, 2012, 02:32:20 PM I think Australian style STV would work best for Canada, although maybe fewer Senators for some of the maritime provinces, and more for Ontario and Quebec? Would Greens get seats? Or would the Senate just have provincial parties? If it was done FPTP I'm sure most provinces would elect a mix of parties and base it more on the person than the party. I can't imagine BC having only Tory senators. Depends on the region. For example, in Quebec the only Tory who could be elected province-wide might be Max Bernier. For the Liberals it's Trudeau- and both men have prime ministerial ambitions, so they wouldn't run. BQ wins both under FPTP. Title: Re: Canadian Senate elections Post by: Smid on March 15, 2012, 03:35:29 PM Wormy, Tories outpolled Grits in 2011 in PEI. Of course, candidate could make a difference. Like I said, I averaged the results of '08 and '11. Sorry, I missed that. Quite right. |