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Title: March 13 Results
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on March 13, 2012, 06:17:45 AM
Getting this thread started for the Mississippi and Alabama Primaries and the Hawaii Caucuses.

What time do the polls close in the southern states and what time are the caucuses in Hawaii (HT & ET)?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on March 13, 2012, 06:21:58 AM
EDIT:  The polls close in AL & MS at 7:00 pm CT (8:00 pm ET).


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 06:26:04 AM
CNN results for AL, HI, MS, and AS here:

http://edition.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/dates/20120313

AP results:

Alabama (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_state/AL_President_0313.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS)

Hawaii (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_state/HI_President_0313.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS)

Mississippi (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_state/MS_President_0313.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS)

AL and MS polls close at 7pm Central / 8pm Eastern.  Hawaii doesn't close until 8pm Hawaii time / 2am Eastern.  I don't know about American Samoa.  Haven't found any details on the caucuses there online.  But it's an hour behind Hawaii in terms of time zones, so it could be pretty late.

The Missouri caucuses actually begin tonight too, but just for one county (Barry):

http://www.mogop.org/2012stateconvention/caucuses/


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 06:27:23 AM
Also, Romney has been campaigning with Jeff Foxworthy in AL and MS:

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Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:29:58 AM
another night watching CNN (2 after midnight in france) :)

love the american presidential elections!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 08:59:06 AM
another night watching CNN (2 after midnight in france) :)

love the american presidential elections!

Nope. Polls close at 1 after midnight, France/Austria time.

This is also when CNN International starts broadcasting.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:03:04 AM
oh, thank you :) i would have miss 1 hour without you !


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:13:42 AM
Are the American Samoa results in?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:35:20 AM
Hogan Gidley, Santorum's communication director, is on Fox.  He's basically conceding AL and MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Erc on March 13, 2012, 10:27:34 AM
Are the American Samoa results in?

Unlike [Western] Samoa, American Samoa is on our side of the Date Line, so it's still only 4:30 AM Tuesday there at the moment.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 10:29:04 AM
No doubt everyone here already knows this, but below is a copy and past from Politico as to where team Mittens plans to rack up the margins in its attempt to carry both states:

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It’s places such as Mobile where Romney will have to perform strongly if he is to pull out a victory Tuesday. His formula in both states is remarkably similar: run well along the less socially conservative Gulf Coast, clean up in the largest city and its heavily GOP suburbs (Birmingham and Jefferson County in Alabama, Jackson and Hinds, Madison and Rankin counties in Mississippi) and pull votes out of the educated population hubs in the northern part of the state (Huntsville [the other Madison County, this time in AL] in Alabama and DeSoto County, just south of Memphis, in Mississippi).



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:46:52 AM
Are the American Samoa results in?

Unlike [Western] Samoa, American Samoa is on our side of the Date Line, so it's still only 4:30 AM Tuesday there at the moment.

Thank you.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 13, 2012, 11:51:41 AM
Also, Romney has been campaigning with Jeff Foxworthy in AL and MS:

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Is it really a good sign when a comedian endorses your campaign? ;)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 12:59:18 PM
I'll be on an airplane from 6pm to 10pm, unfortunately. Hopefully Gingrich (or Santorum!) wins these when I've landed.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Oakvale on March 13, 2012, 01:00:57 PM
Probably for the best I have to be up early tomorrow and thus will be missing this, it'd be too depressing to see Romney carry both states. :(


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: redcommander on March 13, 2012, 01:33:44 PM
Hogan Gidley, Santorum's communication director, is on Fox.  He's basically conceding AL and MS.
:)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 02:50:01 PM
Ahh, JJ, ever accurate on Santorum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 02:57:55 PM
Ahh, JJ, ever accurate on Santorum.

Just reporting, not commenting.

I would read into that that the campaign is looking at the polls and thinks a loss is likely.  Certainly, they were downplaying expectations.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 03:13:06 PM
Downplaying expectations in MS & AL seems like the rational thing for Santorum's campaign to do no matter where they're at in the polls.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 03:23:41 PM
Hah, some actual details about the American Samoa caucus:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/293354/how-american-samoa-caucus-works-brian-bolduc

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From 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. American Samoa Standard Time (UTC-11) tonight, Republicans on this tiny island in the Pacific Ocean will hold their caucus.

So the caucus ends at 7pm local time, which is 2am US Eastern time, same time that the Hawaii caucus ends.  Also, it's expected that perhaps as few as 50 people will show up to caucus, and so they're holding the caucus at just one location, the Toa Bar & Grill:

http://news.yahoo.com/american-samoa-gop-ready-caucus-bar-181941669.html

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Local GOP chairman Victor T. Tofaeono, a superdelegate, is hopeful caucus attendees will agree to commit all nine delegates to one candidate.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 13, 2012, 03:35:24 PM
Don't forget that Roy Moore is on the ballot tonight - he's running for Alabama Supreme Court again.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on March 13, 2012, 03:56:11 PM
Didn't think I'd ever be so interested in a mid-March election in AL and MS. 

I'll go out on a limb and say Gingrich wins both of these... although I think Santorum winning both would be the most interesting outcome. 


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: cavalcade on March 13, 2012, 04:24:40 PM
Before we know what they say, can we all agree not to take the early exits seriously?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 04:26:09 PM
Gonna be a dogfight tonight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 04:27:58 PM
LOL, 2 1/2 hours until polls close at 1am.

Time for some sleep ?

:P

Better solution: Energy Drinks.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
LOL, 2 1/2 hours until polls close at 1am.

Time for some sleep ?

:P

I have to say, I'm really impressed by your dedication to being up for these things at such terrible hours :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 04:33:28 PM
LOL, 2 1/2 hours until polls close at 1am.

Time for some sleep ?

:P

I have to say, I'm really impressed by your dedication to being up for these things at such terrible hours :P

Stuff like this only happens every 4 years, so we HAVE TO GET UP EARLY (or sleep not at all) ... ;)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 04:40:53 PM
Why is Romney surging so massively on Intrade in both AL and MS?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Reds4 on March 13, 2012, 04:41:11 PM
Any exit polling data coming out from these states?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Reds4 on March 13, 2012, 04:42:21 PM
Geez, you weren't kidding.. he went from 32 to 80 in no time in MS... no idea why.

Why is Romney surging so massively on Intrade in both AL and MS?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 04:45:02 PM
Quote
Intrade

Didn't they have Santorum at like 2.5 percent to win Ohio, when it was even?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Sam Spade on March 13, 2012, 04:45:48 PM
Look at Drudge, geniuses..


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 04:47:28 PM
Drudge really is jumping the gun. There's three hours of voting left, and past exit polls have tended to show Romney supporters showing up earlier.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 04:47:40 PM
Downplaying expectations in MS & AL seems like the rational thing for Santorum's campaign to do no matter where they're at in the polls.

Agreed. If the says he's not going to win ahead of time, it doesn't get spun into an "UNEXPECTED LOSS" or anything if he loses, and if he wins then they can announce it as a "SURPRISE VICTORY." It also probably helps to set up a narrative of "Romney won because Gingrich splits the anti-Romney vote, he should drop out of the race now" if that's the path Santorum's people want to take (or, alternatively, "we managed to win these two states that are on Gingrich's home turf, he should drop out of the race now").


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Reds4 on March 13, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
Sorry Sam.. Don't check Drudge very often.



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
Romney up 7 vs Santorum in AL and 9 vs Gingrich in MS.

32/25/23
33/24/22

Terrible numbers.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 04:52:23 PM
Romney up 7 vs Santorum in AL and 9 vs Gingrich in MS.

32/25/23
33/24/22

Terrible numbers.

Drudge is being misleading. Those are numbers from his crappy online poll, extracted to be only MS/AL voters.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 04:53:28 PM
Romney up 7 vs Santorum in AL and 9 vs Gingrich in MS.

32/25/23
33/24/22

Terrible numbers.

Drudge is being misleading. Those are numbers from his crappy online poll, extracted to be only MS/AL voters.

Err, are you sure?  He's calling them "network exits."


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 04:53:47 PM
I'm still not buying it entirely. Why should Romney suddenly be over 30%? Are MS and AL in some way more favorable than TN and OK in a Republican primary?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 04:54:31 PM
Romney up 7 vs Santorum in AL and 9 vs Gingrich in MS.

32/25/23
33/24/22

Terrible numbers.

Drudge is being misleading. Those are numbers from his crappy online poll, extracted to be only MS/AL voters.

Lmao, is that what that is? I was about to say, either those numbers or completely bogus or Ron Paul is somehow pulling 20% in both states.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 13, 2012, 04:55:20 PM
I'm still not buying it entirely. Why should Romney suddenly be over 30%? Are MS and AL in some way more favorable than TN and OK in a Republican primary?

One possible explanation could be pandering, but that still doesn't explain how in the world people are stupid enough to buy it.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 04:55:40 PM
Romney up 7 vs Santorum in AL and 9 vs Gingrich in MS.

32/25/23
33/24/22

Terrible numbers.

Drudge is being misleading. Those are numbers from his crappy online poll, extracted to be only MS/AL voters.

Err, are you sure?  He's calling them "network exits."

Up at the top he has "network exits say" and then below is his "Drudge Polling Data". He is being deliberately misleading and trying to make people think they are one and the same. Note the gigantic Ron Paul vote.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 04:56:03 PM
Quote
Drudge is being misleading. Those are numbers from his crappy online poll, extracted to be only MS/AL voters.

Terrible as in, "using it to wipe".


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 04:57:52 PM
Romney up 7 vs Santorum in AL and 9 vs Gingrich in MS.

32/25/23
33/24/22

Terrible numbers.

Drudge is being misleading. Those are numbers from his crappy online poll, extracted to be only MS/AL voters.

Err, are you sure?  He's calling them "network exits."

Up at the top he has "network exits say" and then below is his "Drudge Polling Data". He is being deliberately misleading and trying to make people think they are one and the same. Note the gigantic Ron Paul vote.

Oh, Drudge, clever.

Thanks


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ajb on March 13, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
In other early exit poll news, evangelicals and "very conservative" voters are a(n even) bigger share than usual in MS; also high in AL. Around 80% evangelical in both; around 40% "very conservative" in MS.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/preliminary-exit-polls-who-is-voting-in-mississippi-and-alabama/2012/03/07/gIQAdxEGAS_blog.html


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 05:01:50 PM
Can someone explain to me why a hack like Drudge is still relevant?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: argentarius on March 13, 2012, 05:03:32 PM
Can someone explain to me why a hack like Drudge is still relevant?
Personally I don't think Santorum would've won Iowa without him.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 05:05:37 PM
Can someone explain to me why a hack like Drudge is still relevant?

Drudge is still a little bit relevant in setting the narrative; a lot of news media types still frequently check his site in the hopes that they'll be the first to see the next Lewinsky-type scandal.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Reds4 on March 13, 2012, 05:08:29 PM
If those Drudge numbers are that bogus, Gingrich is likely a massive value on Intrade right now.. especially in MS


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 05:09:22 PM
Definitely a buying opportunity if you've got the cash to spare.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 05:09:41 PM
CNN's putting a bunch of information from the Alabama exit poll. I think it looks good for Santorum. Santorum is winning voters with a college degree, only 1 point behind romney in urban voters, and winning rural voters.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 05:11:21 PM
CNN's putting a bunch of information from the Alabama exit poll. I think it looks good for Santorum. Santorum is winning voters with a college degree, only 1 point behind romney in urban voters, and winning rural voters.

That can't possibly match a Romney win unless there's some serious juju going on here.  You're totally sure that's what they said is happening?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ajb on March 13, 2012, 05:12:46 PM
CNN's putting a bunch of information from the Alabama exit poll. I think it looks good for Santorum. Santorum is winning voters with a college degree, only 1 point behind romney in urban voters, and winning rural voters.

That can't possibly match a Romney win unless there's some serious juju going on here.  You're totally sure that's what they said is happening?
It fits with the data reported earlier about high evangelical and "very conservative" turnout. But lots of people haven't even voted yet, so it's best not to take these announcements too seriously.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 05:13:54 PM
Very good news. Conservative, heavy evangelical.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 05:14:25 PM
CNN's putting a bunch of information from the Alabama exit poll. I think it looks good for Santorum. Santorum is winning voters with a college degree, only 1 point behind romney in urban voters, and winning rural voters.

That can't possibly match a Romney win unless there's some serious juju going on here.  You're totally sure that's what they said is happening?

I'm watching CNN at the moment, that's what their data says.

Looking very good, especially if you consider that data was taken at 5pm EST, with 3 hours of voting to go. Santorum's supporters have seemed to wait until the last minute in most exit polls.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 05:15:42 PM
CNN's putting a bunch of information from the Alabama exit poll. I think it looks good for Santorum. Santorum is winning voters with a college degree, only 1 point behind romney in urban voters, and winning rural voters.

That can't possibly match a Romney win unless there's some serious juju going on here.  You're totally sure that's what they said is happening?

I'm watching CNN at the moment, that's what their data says.

Looking very good, especially if you consider that data was taken at 5pm EST, with 3 hours of voting to go. Santorum's supporters have seemed to wait until the last minute in most exit polls.

Yep, sounds like there's some good money to make on Intrade right now.  Good catch.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
They just showed "men" in AL

34 Gingrich
30 Santorum
29 Romney

Gingrich also won men in Okalahoma. I guess it's bad for him that women are allowed to vote.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Santo at 30 with men? That's great news.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 05:21:02 PM
TILT the Alabama primary ballot is complicated as [Inks]

http://www.sos.state.al.us/downloads/election/2012/primary/sampleballots/Autauga-Rep-2012-Sample.pdf


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 05:22:11 PM
They just showed "men" in AL

34 Gingrich
30 Santorum
29 Romney

Gingrich also won men in Okalahoma. I guess it's bad for him that women are allowed to vote.

Those numbers are remarkably similar to Oklahoma's exit poll, although Gingrich is doing a few points better.

Romney may be headed for third here, with the normal caveat that this early stuff is often bullsh**t


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 13, 2012, 05:22:18 PM
Lol. I thought Alabama was supposed to be a conservative state?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: minionofmidas on March 13, 2012, 05:22:46 PM
Why the quotation marks? Because White Southerners have been emasculated since 1865?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 05:24:57 PM
They just showed "men" in AL

34 Gingrich
30 Santorum
29 Romney

Gingrich also won men in Okalahoma. I guess it's bad for him that women are allowed to vote.

Just a reminder: Romney usually polls the same among men and women; Santorum does better with women while Gingrich and Paul do better with men.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
where's the chat for tonight? Is it #atlasforums?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
where's the chat for tonight? Is it #atlasforums?

No s at the end, but that's the chat, yeah.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 05:29:37 PM
College graduates:

38 Santorum
32 Romney
26 Gingrich

That looks _very_ good for Santorum.

Why the quotation marks? Because White Southerners have been emasculated since 1865?

Lol, I have no real idea why I quoted men, I guess because that's what I'd do for a more abstract category, like "very conservative voters".


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 05:34:44 PM
1. Santorum must be killing with women

2. Terrible numbers for Romney

3. If Mississippi is worse, and these numbers are right, this is going to be a pretty awful night for Romney

4. If these numbers were right, Drudge was making things up I guess


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 05:36:15 PM
4. If these numbers were right, Drudge was making things up I guess

And would this come as a surprise?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 05:37:18 PM
Terrific news as I board the plane!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 05:39:16 PM
Hey, when conservatives like me consider Drudge worthless, that should tell you something :p


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 13, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
Anyone but Santorum....or Gingrich. I don't like Fascism.



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 05:47:10 PM
Guys I think I have a row entirely to myself!!!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 05:48:02 PM
Guys I think I have a row entirely to myself!!!

You can always join us with $13 AIRPLANE INTERNET


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 05:52:15 PM
Well the plane leaves in 13 minutes so hopefully I get to see exits before I turn my phone off


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 06:05:32 PM
Hey I don't know if this is the right place for this, and I'm sorry if its not, but did anyone else see that earlier today Alabama Gov. Bob Bentley said he voted for Santorum? I think this is his first gubernatorial endorsement, is it not?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
Santorum is currently hilariously undervalued in Mississippi on Intrade, for the betting types


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Hash on March 13, 2012, 06:09:25 PM
What's that site where you can watch CNN online?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: retromike22 on March 13, 2012, 06:12:16 PM
Was there early voting in AL and MS?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 06:13:36 PM
More exits:

http://gop12.thehill.com/2012/03/wave-of-cnn-exits-comes-in.html

Quote
ALABAMA:


Republicans only (not indies or Democrats).

1. Santorum 34%

2. Gingrich and Romney 31%

-- Republicans are making up 66% of the vote today, independents are 28%, and Democrats are 6%.

-- 73% of Alabama voters are evangelical.

MISSISSIPPI:

-- 80% of voters are evangelical, 17% are independent, and 4% are Democrats.

-- 45% of voters said their religious beliefs mattered a "great deal" in choice.

UPDATE: Here are some more exits, via CNN...

MISSISSIPPI:

-- On who's most likely to beat Obama: Romney 52% Gingrich 24% Santorum 21%. Relatedly, 42% say beating Obama is the most important criteria, 19% say being a "true conservative" is most important and 19% say it's "strong moral character.

ALABAMA:

-- 39% say "beating Obama" is most important quality in a candidate; 22% say it's "strong moral character, and 17% say being a "true conservative" is most important.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
Was there early voting in AL and MS?

About 9%, polling shows it favored Gingrich.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Hash on March 13, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
What's that site where you can watch CNN online?



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 06:16:59 PM
I wonder why the networks are going out of their way to not show any candidate numbers from Mississippi.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 06:18:12 PM
I wonder why the networks are going out of their way to not show any candidate numbers from Mississippi.

I'm guessing it's the same reason Drudge has already declared Mitt Romney the winner.

It probably shows Romney as winning, but for various reasons, none of the networks want to run with it because their gut tells them that's wrong.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: redcommander on March 13, 2012, 06:19:23 PM
Do you all think Alabama will have record turnout? Mississippi seems like a no-brainer since McCain won the state last around when he was already the likely nominee.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 13, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
I wonder why the networks are going out of their way to not show any candidate numbers from Mississippi.

I'm guessing it's the same reason Drudge has already declared Mitt Romney the winner.

It probably shows Romney as winning, but for various reasons, none of the networks want to run with it because their gut tells them that's wrong.

Must've been on Drudge earlier, cause I don't see it now.

RC: AL officials are predicting 29% turnout.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 06:26:29 PM
I wonder why the networks are going out of their way to not show any candidate numbers from Mississippi.

I'm guessing it's the same reason Drudge has already declared Mitt Romney the winner.

It probably shows Romney as winning, but for various reasons, none of the networks want to run with it because their gut tells them that's wrong.

Must've been on Drudge earlier, cause I don't see it now.

RC: AL officials are predicting 29% turnout.

He's toned it down a bit. He previously he had "Romney takes MS, AL tight" now he's hedged his bets by going with with "ROMNEY SET FOR MISSISSIPPI WIN; ALABAMA TIGHT".


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 06:30:29 PM
These exits seem quite good for the ABMs, can't tell which one will win though.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 06:32:43 PM
These exits seem quite good for the ABMs, can't tell which one will win though.

Agreed. Although I'm hoping Santorum will shatter my forum prediction (I don't need 4 points) and force Gingrich into an endorsement.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 06:35:48 PM
These exits seem quite good for the ABMs, can't tell which one will win though.

Agreed. Although I'm hoping Santorum will shatter my forum prediction (I don't need 4 points) and force Gingrich into an endorsement.

I really hope Santorum wins tonight, although any none Romney delegate is a good delegate at this point. If Rick wins tonight, I struggle to see a nice path ahead in Illinois for Mitt. What's Mitt's appeal outside Cooke County? He doesn't have any.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 06:36:24 PM
These exits seem quite good for the ABMs, can't tell which one will win though.

Agreed. Although I'm hoping Santorum will shatter my forum prediction (I don't need 4 points) and force Gingrich into an endorsement.

I really hope Santorum wins tonight, although any none Romney delegate is a good delegate at this point. If Rick wins tonight, I struggle to see a nice path ahead in Illinois for Mitt. What's Mitt's appeal outside Cooke County? He doesn't have any.

I'm not sure about that.  I think Romney has great appeal in all of the ring counties around Cook.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2012, 06:42:06 PM
Guys I think I have a row entirely to myself!!!

Just like my British Airways flight to London! Enjoy! Viva Santorum!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 06:52:44 PM
Its interesting that Romney is doing a fundraiser tonight and will not be making any public statements, even if he wins.

So is this an indication that his people didn't think he had a chance (when the fundraiser was scheduled), or another sign that he is running out of money? Or both?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 06:54:58 PM
Its interesting that Romney is doing a fundraiser tonight and will not be making any public statements, even if he wins.

So is this an indication that his people didn't think he had a chance (when the fundraiser was scheduled), or another sign that he is running out of money? Or both?

Bit've both, probably more that he needs money. If you're the frontrunner and lose two out of two races, you need to be out there yourself to just spin, spin, spin.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 06:55:37 PM
Its interesting that Romney is doing a fundraiser tonight and apparently will not be making any public statements.

So is this an indication that his people didn't think he had a chance (when the fundraiser was scheduled), or another sign that he is running out of money? Or both?

More likely, he's suffering from a segfault and his programmers need the facade of a fundraiser to repair him.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 06:55:49 PM
Nate Silver would like to remind us that Mississippi has some of the worst elections infrastructure in the country, and may take a while to report.

Considering that they were doing typewriter-typed election results with frequent transcription errors as recently as 2008, I can back this up.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 06:57:07 PM
Nate Silver would like to remind us that Mississippi has some of the worst elections infrastructure in the country, and may take a while to report.

Considering that they were doing typewriter-typed election results with frequent transcription errors as recently as 2008, I can back this up.

"We doin't need dem communist gubermant edumacations!"


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 06:58:17 PM
Nate Silver would like to remind us that Mississippi has some of the worst elections infrastructure in the country, and may take a while to report.

Considering that they were doing typewriter-typed election results with frequent transcription errors as recently as 2008, I can back this up.

No matter what happens, they can't be worse than Nevada.

No one can be worse than Nevada.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 06:59:06 PM
Nate Silver would like to remind us that Mississippi has some of the worst elections infrastructure in the country, and may take a while to report.

Considering that they were doing typewriter-typed election results with frequent transcription errors as recently as 2008, I can back this up.

No matter what happens, they can't be worse than Nevada.

No one can be worse than Nevada.

Don't remind us. That was hell for a political junkie.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 06:59:33 PM
Eagerly awaiting the results of the primaries tonight. Since its too early to look at results yet, I checked out what is going on at intrade. What is going on in Mississippi? I know intrade is not a good indicator, but wow!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 07:01:24 PM
AL Exit
34 Santorum
29 Romney
28 Gingrich

MS
35 Romney
30 Gingrich
29 Santorum

I'll be honest, I don't buy the MS Exit.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:01:39 PM
exit polls maybe?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:01:46 PM
MS still the worst state in US.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
CNN running the exit polls.  Santorum leading in AL, Mittens in MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Paleobrazilian on March 13, 2012, 07:02:11 PM
Goodbye, Newt.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: redcommander on March 13, 2012, 07:02:50 PM
Looks like a split result if the exit poll holds true. That would be a great result for Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:03:07 PM
also, if you want the toplines in the Republican primary in the Deep South, you can pretty much just copy-paste the white number :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:03:33 PM
interesting cnn exit polls show Romney ahead in Mississippi and he spikes on intrade to over 80%


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: patrick1 on March 13, 2012, 07:04:31 PM
30% in MS moderate or liberal. Ha-ha.  Makes Torie's argument about self id.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
Rick's won AL, Mitt's won MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
I hope there's a decent Bradley-effect in MS, dragging Romney down 10 points.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
lol ...and Santorm spike in Alabama on intrade


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 07:05:47 PM

I see you don't remember CNN's first Iowa exit poll, where Paul and Romney were tied for first...

Mitt hasn't won a thing yet tonight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2012, 07:05:58 PM
Newt. Is. A. Joke.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: argentarius on March 13, 2012, 07:08:23 PM
I had always liked Newt best out of Romney, him and Santorum, but unless he does far better than in exit polls, it's time to drop out. Tonight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: izixs on March 13, 2012, 07:09:15 PM
The exit polls are good signs for the most important thing tonight... did I get me predictions right?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ajb on March 13, 2012, 07:10:09 PM
They've already reweighted the MS exit polls, without a single vote counted.
Now
Romney 33
Santorum 31
Gingrich 30.

http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/ms


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
It is way too early and things could change as the night goes on, but I agree that Gingrich needs a win tonight to have a legitimate reason to stay in the race


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 07:11:43 PM
Why does Romney has such a great appeal among seniors? I never understood that.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:12:51 PM
It is way too early and things could change as the night goes on, but I agree that Gingrich needs a win tonight to have a legitimate reason to stay in the race

I was expecting a bit of Gingrich resurgence, but if the Whack-a-Mole is whacked tonight, it is over.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:14:31 PM
They've already reweighted the MS exit polls, without a single vote counted.
Now
Romney 33
Santorum 31
Gingrich 30.

http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/ms

That was probably a land-speed record for exit poll updating.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 13, 2012, 07:14:40 PM
Why does Romney has such a great appeal among seniors? I never understood that.
Me nither... anecdotally I find most folks my age like Newt as I do


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:14:54 PM
Is it possible for Romney to get a plurality today?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:15:38 PM
It is way too early and things could change as the night goes on, but I agree that Gingrich needs a win tonight to have a legitimate reason to stay in the race

I was expecting a bit of Gingrich resurgence, but if the Whack-a-Mole is whacked tonight, it is over.

nice way to put it :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:16:26 PM
Did CNN just say they maybe changing their exit polls?!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 07:16:41 PM
Great. Now MS is going to go past midnight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:16:54 PM
Did CNN just say they maybe changing their exit polls?!

Yep.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:17:25 PM
Mitt just took a dip on intrade...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 07:18:01 PM
Great. Now MS is going to go past midnight.

I'd like to see polls close in Hawaii (2am East Coast time) before there's a call in MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:18:31 PM
First votes from AL:

Gingrich up with 15 votes in.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 07:18:55 PM
First votes from AL:

Gingrich up with 15 votes in.

Where are you seeing this?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
Did CNN just say they maybe changing their exit polls?!

You seem to be new in the Exit Polling business.

Exit Polls are changed all the time, and they are modified as more votes are coming in to fit the actual results.

And it's not CNN changing them, but Edison which does the Exit Polls for all broadcasters.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:19:54 PM
First votes from AL:

Gingrich up with 15 votes in.

Where are you seeing this?

I see it on CNN.com


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:20:59 PM
Romney now up in AL without leading a county.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: retromike22 on March 13, 2012, 07:21:14 PM
CNN is showing Alabama inmates that are helping move ballots.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 07:21:23 PM

Just saw on Google. They tend to be slower to report but have a much more beautiful map than CNN.

Huntsman has 10% with 1 precinct in. HUNTSMENTUM!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:21:46 PM
Did CNN just say they maybe changing their exit polls?!

You seem to be new in the Exit Polling business.

Exit Polls are changed all the time, and they are modified as more votes are coming in to fit the actual results.

And it's not CNN changing them, but Edison which does the Exit Polls for all broadcasters.

I guess I am new... I don't remember seeing the results revised on TV before. Makes sense, though.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: muon2 on March 13, 2012, 07:22:02 PM

One precinct in Butler County


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 07:22:37 PM
LOL @ Alabama having zebra-like clothed inmates counting ballots (a white dude next to a black dude).


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:23:11 PM
Looks like Santorum will be strong in Appalachia. Not surprising.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
Intrade has Romney at 85% chance to win MS. That seems insanely overconfident.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
Intrade has Romney at 85% chance to win MS. That seems insanely overconfident.

They see an inaccurate, initial exit poll and assume it's concrete. I hope people buying Romney-MS lose a lot of money tonight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 07:28:26 PM
Dude called Danny Glaskox speaking ... :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:29:22 PM
Intrade has Romney at 85% chance to win MS. That seems insanely overconfident.

Was it not intrade that had John Kerry up like over 70% on election day 2004?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
Dude called Danny Glaskox speaking ... :P

lol


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Simfan34 on March 13, 2012, 07:30:36 PM

Just saw on Google. They tend to be slower to report but have a much more beautiful map than CNN.

Huntsman has 10% with 1 precinct in. HUNTSMENTUM!

:D Freedom people.

I'm calling both for Santorum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Dude called Danny Glaskox speaking ... :P

At least his first name isn't Richard.  :P

We have a DA in PA who is named Peter Johnson.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:31:13 PM
Any chance Hawaii is called before Mississippi?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 07:32:01 PM
The demographic divide per the exit polls doesn't seem to mean much in Miss and Ala. Odd. But Mittens is carrying the post graduate degreed vote in Alabama. :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:33:13 PM
Romney at 63% in MS at the moment thanks to some Delta county. lol.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:33:34 PM
Romney up 63-22 S in MS with less than 1% in.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:35:15 PM
I think a lot of this is early voting.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:36:06 PM
I think a lot of this is early voting.

How much early voting is in MS?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 07:36:35 PM
Rick's ebbing his way up in intrade in MS, for those who're bothered.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 07:36:48 PM
The demographic divide per the exit polls doesn't seem to mean much in Miss and Ala. Odd. But Mittens is carrying the post graduate degreed vote in Alabama. :P

Don't people tend to lie like crazy about their education level in polls?  45% of the voters in the Alabama primary claim to have college degrees, according to the exit poll.  How realistic is that?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on March 13, 2012, 07:37:01 PM
Romney up 63-22 S in MS with less than 1% in.

Or 30 votes, to be more specific.  lol


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 07:38:20 PM
The demographic divide per the exit polls doesn't seem to mean much in Miss and Ala. Odd. But Mittens is carrying the post graduate degreed vote in Alabama. :P

Don't people tend to lie like crazy about their education level in polls?  45% of the voters in the Alabama primary claim to have college degrees, according to the exit poll.  How realistic is that?



It's ludicrous of course. Now if 40% claim they have post graduate degrees, maybe Mittens will be in business.  :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 07:39:08 PM
Gotta be honest... I cannot see Romney winning Mississippi... just seems impossible. I have to think those exits are underestimating Rick.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
Time to sit back and let the results come in


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 07:40:00 PM
Gotta be honest... I cannot see Romney winning Mississippi... just seems impossible. I have to think those exits are underestimating Rick.

But Mitt Romney likes grits.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 07:40:22 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ajb on March 13, 2012, 07:40:49 PM
Gotta be honest... I cannot see Romney winning Mississippi... just seems impossible. I have to think those exits are underestimating Rick.

But Mitt Romney likes grits.
I think the trees are just too darn tall down South.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 07:41:50 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!

This could be huge for Newt. Like Romney has multiple home states, Newt has multiple home states of his wives.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:43:26 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!

This could be huge for Newt. Like Romney has multiple home states, Newt has multiple home states of his wives.

See it pays to have had multiple wives!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 07:43:55 PM
MS @ 1, G, S, R,


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
Who's gonna say "The South Will Rise Again" in their speech later? It seems like a Romneyism, but he's not giving a speech.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: retromike22 on March 13, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!

This could be huge for Newt. Like Romney has multiple home states, Newt has multiple home states of his wives.

Hahahaha!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 07:44:39 PM
Romney drops to 3rd in MS. HAHAHAHA


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 07:45:06 PM
Mitt collapsing on Intrade in MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 07:45:40 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!

This could be huge for Newt. Like Romney has multiple home states, Newt has multiple home states of his wives.

See it pays to have had multiple wives!

Maybe Mitt and Anne will reveal their secret sisterwives to get in on this


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
I find it hard to believe that Romney tied Santorum among rural Mississippi voters.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:47:29 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!

This could be huge for Newt. Like Romney has multiple home states, Newt has multiple home states of his wives.

See it pays to have had multiple wives!

Maybe Mitt and Anne will reveal their secret sisterwives to get in on this

Or maybe Mitt and Anne have friends who own have wives from the upcoming primary states.  


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:47:43 PM
Santorum now up by 1 vote in Mississippi.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:48:37 PM
Intrade insanity update:

Romney insanely overvalued in MS; Santorum overvalued in AL.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 07:48:50 PM
how stupid do you have to be to make intrade bets based on 1% of votes counted (and ignoring exit poll)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: retromike22 on March 13, 2012, 07:49:51 PM
Some 39 minutes after polls closed there, just 1 of Mississippi's 1,889 precincts had reported results. (Mitt Romney led with 17 of the 27 votes in the first precinct.)

At a pace of 1 precinct per 39 minutes, Mississippi's vote would be completely reported by 3:51 a.m. ... on Thursday, May 3.

- Nate Silver


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2012, 07:50:43 PM
LOL. Newt's chief of staff said that Wisconsin looks promising because Callista is from there!

Yeah, that has to be one of the highlights of the night.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
How is Mitt still holding at 80% for MS? Some people are going to be broke come morning.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 07:51:27 PM
how stupid do you have to be to make intrade bets based on 1% of votes counted (and ignoring exit poll)

I guess stupid enough to trade on Intrade. Considering this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME, I really wonder who the moron is that constantly says "EARLY EXIT POLLS HAVE MITT UP BY 2, SELL SELL SELL SELL"



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 07:51:54 PM
Gotta be honest... I cannot see Romney winning Mississippi... just seems impossible. I have to think those exits are underestimating Rick.

But Mitt Romney likes grits.
I think the trees are just too darn tall down South.

Can't argue with this logic... y'all.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:53:37 PM
Montgomery just came in for Romney giving him a lead.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:54:28 PM
Montgomery early votes* came in big for Romney.

Lee County, Mississippi, by contrast, is looking nasty for him.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 07:54:58 PM
Montgomery early votes* came in big for Romney.

Lee County, Mississippi, by contrast, is looking nasty for him.

Sorry, thats what I meant.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Hinds County, Mississippi (Jackson) boding well for Romney and it's 17% in.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: muon2 on March 13, 2012, 07:56:02 PM
Montgomery just came in for Romney giving him a lead.

Looks like early voting, since it comes at 0%.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 07:56:31 PM
santorum lead birmingham


(very pretty blonde, on CNN in Birmingham county!)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 07:56:49 PM
Romney doing pretty weak on the Gulf Coast, by contrast.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:57:06 PM
Santorum's running a close second on Mississippi coast.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
Although this is a close race for Santorum, Gingrich and Romney, one things seems to be clear, Ron Paul is hardly on the map. How will he spin tonights results?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 13, 2012, 07:58:47 PM
Surprised Mississippi coming in faster than Alabama.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
santorum lead birmingham


(very pretty blonde, on CNN in Birmingham county!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Bash

?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 07:59:59 PM
Surprised Mississippi coming in faster than Alabama.

Those typewriters must be smoking!! ;)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:01:35 PM
LOOL "the cliché" : prisonners used for vote count !


deep south rules


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:02:09 PM
Wolf Blitzer is the single most annoying election host ever.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
santorum lead birmingham


(very pretty blonde, on CNN in Birmingham county!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Bash

?



well, not sure, but the pic was ugly



(anyway, the most beautiful works for france 24 :

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Vanessa Burggraf


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 08:05:01 PM
Wolf Blitzer is the single most annoying election host ever.

Is he doing his "Guess what?" again...?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:05:42 PM
is this the white-haired man on cnn?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:06:10 PM
New Gulfport-Biloxi ballots basically identical to the first dump (which seems to be both early votes and some polls.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:06:53 PM
Wolf Blitzer is the single most annoying election host ever.

Is he doing his "Guess what?" again...?

No, he's doing "We have 0.1% of the vote in and MITT ROMNEY IS 8 VOTES AHEAD. This is incredible, it doesn't get much more exciting than is. 8. Votes. Ahead."


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
well, santoro lead the two states, but I know very few the geography of those states. More difficult than ohio to make forecasts


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
is this the white-haired man on cnn?

The one with the glasses, yes.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:08:53 PM
Wolf Blitzer is the single most annoying election host ever.

Is he doing his "Guess what?" again...?

No, he's doing "We have 0.1% of the vote in and MITT ROMNEY IS 8 VOTES AHEAD. This is incredible, it doesn't get much more exciting than is. 8. Votes. Ahead."



*watch here the green laughing smiley*


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
Romney CRASHED in the second dump of Montgomery County, Alabama, ballots.  Went from 46% to 34%.  Interestingly enough, it was Gingrich who gained, not Santorum -- 26% to 36%, while Santorum only edged up from 24% to 25%.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:11:33 PM
Santorum leads in Birmingham in a close three-way race.

Second wave of Jackson County, Mississippi, ballots remarkably like the first, maybe slight Gingrich gain.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:12:59 PM


ok, I was thinking more about this guy (with a very typical american face, hu?)

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Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 08:14:09 PM


ok, I was thinking more about this guy (with a very typical american face, hu?)

()

That's Anderson Cooper, I think he's very good.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:14:27 PM
Romney also crashes in second-wave Hattiesburg, Mississippi, ballots, from 37% to 27%.

Gingrich up from 28% to 36%.

Santorum up from 25% to 32%.

Starting to notice a bit of a pattern here about early votes.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: patrick1 on March 13, 2012, 08:15:21 PM
Needs more John King, please.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 08:16:49 PM

Just have him, Andy and David Gurgen. It'd be a much better show.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 08:17:08 PM
Romney now 3rd in both states.

Hope it stays that way, even if it ruins my predictions.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:17:31 PM
Santorum has a good dump and takes the lead in Gulfport-Biloxi, with Romney barely leading Gingrich.

Romney is, on average, not holding up very well in second-wave ballots.  It's nothing like South Carolina, but it's different than Ohio (where the effect barely materialized.)

Not looking fantastic for Romney, but keep your eye on Huntsville and DeSoto County, MS, as well as the other index counties.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: King on March 13, 2012, 08:18:03 PM
The way Mitt relies on early voting and urban areas and struggles in the South, you'd think he was a Democrat.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: muon2 on March 13, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
Romney also crashes in second-wave Hattiesburg, Mississippi, ballots, from 37% to 27%.

Gingrich up from 28% to 36%.

Santorum up from 25% to 32%.

Starting to notice a bit of a pattern here about early votes.

It makes some sense that those voters who are thinking in advance about the election tilt more towards Romney. The election day voters will have more gut voters than the early voter pool.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 08:21:48 PM
Romney now 3rd in both states.

Hope it stays that way, even if it ruins my predictions.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 08:21:58 PM
Santorum leads in Birmingham in a close three-way race.

Second wave of Jackson County, Mississippi, ballots remarkably like the first, maybe slight Gingrich gain.

If there were a significant demographic divide, which there may not be down here contrary to almost everywhere else so far, Shelby is where the Mittens vote is, more than Jefferson. And nothing from Huntsville and the Gulf Coast in Alabama. Mittens is also leading in Montgomery.

It is all way too early to base much on the raw votes, rather than the exit polls, of course.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:23:04 PM
MS @ 20, S 34, G 31, R, 29


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:23:32 PM
Early vote-to-Election Day change has been especially nasty for Romney in the counties around Huntsville.

There are definitely key areas out that could be Romneyslides that it's unreasonable to discount any of the three candidates in either state at this point.

Biloxi-Gulfport flips based on one or two good-Romney precincts.  Not a meaningful dump there


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 08:24:07 PM
Why is Alabama so slow, I though Mississippi  was supposed to be the slow state?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:24:54 PM
CNN MS, low turnout.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:25:39 PM
Romney has been holding up well in subsequent Montgomery dumps.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:25:49 PM
What time are we all expecting a call?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 08:26:05 PM
Early vote-to-Election Day change has been especially nasty for Romney in the counties around Huntsville.

There are definitely key areas out that could be Romneyslides that it's unreasonable to discount any of the three candidates in either state at this point.

Biloxi-Gulfport flips based on one or two good-Romney precincts.  Not a meaningful dump there

The areas around Huntsville, but outside Madison County, are demographic hell for Mittens. But again, how much will demographics matter this time?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:26:21 PM
Huntsville starting to come in.  Virtual Romney-Santorum tie so far.  Disappointing result, I think.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 08:27:00 PM

In 3 hours ?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:27:25 PM
MS @ 31, S 33, G 31, R 30.  CLOSE


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
Santorum solidly leads DeSoto County, MS.  Ouch for Romney.

It looks like the income effect may be muted in the South some.  Maybe it's because the rich folk in the Deep South are more religious than the poor folk?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 08:28:36 PM
Huntsville starting to come in.  Virtual Romney-Santorum tie so far.  Disappointing result, I think.

Clearly, but if just a couple of precincts, one needs to know where.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Reds4 on March 13, 2012, 08:28:56 PM
Big vote dump in from Rankin county narrows Santorum's lead in MS.. gonna be close


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: marvelrobbins on March 13, 2012, 08:29:11 PM
It would be funny If Romney finishes third in both.I predicted Romney would lose both Ala and Miss.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 08:29:43 PM
MS @ 31, S 33, G 31, R 30.  CLOSE

Oh really?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:30:21 PM
Big vote dump in from Rankin county narrows Santorum's lead in MS.. gonna be close

Rankin is not that strong for Romney, though, and it was a full 58% of the county.

It's hard to tell how the numbers are adding up on the large scale (it's obviously close) but Romney seems to be registering more disappointments than successes (pretty much most places vs. Montgomery.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: muon2 on March 13, 2012, 08:31:25 PM
Stone County, MS seem to be the first to be complete. S42, G29, R22.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Reds4 on March 13, 2012, 08:31:35 PM
You guys think Santorum should be favored on Intrade in MS at this point?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 08:32:32 PM
Although it is a very close race so far in both states, if you stand back and look, you'll see that Romney is only neck-and-neck because Gingrich and Santorum are splitting the vote. Add their votes together its 60% to 30% against Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:33:48 PM
I hate when we have santorum in a 3-way.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 08:33:53 PM
Santorum solidly leads DeSoto County, MS.  Ouch for Romney.

It looks like the income effect may be muted in the South some.  Maybe it's because the rich folk in the Deep South are more religious than the poor folk?

Yes, they probably are. I negotiated a complex sale of a business located outside Mobile, with an upscale female lawyer from Birmingham. She was well, very religious, and culturally just not any other lawyer I have dealt with before or since. Christ was never far from her mind. She said grace before we wolfed down the sandwiches that were brought in, and I bowed down my head and prayed with her. She was difficult however to deal with nevertheless. We just had trouble communicating. Of course a sample of one is meaningless. Still ...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 08:34:00 PM
Although it is a very close race so far in both states, if you stand back and look, you'll see that Romney is only neck-and-neck because Gingrich and Santorum are splitting the vote. Add their votes together its 60% to 30% against Romney.

Well hopefully after tonight Gingrich will be gone.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:34:18 PM
MIS SANTO      0,1
MIS ROMNEY      -0,2
      
ALA SANTO      -0,9
ALA ROMNEY      0,9

(from change in % official votes on huffington map)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:34:39 PM
MS @ 40, S 33, G 31, R 30.  CLOSE


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:34:44 PM
Santorum about to take the lead in MS over at intrade. Still 90+ in AL.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:36:30 PM
And Rick is now leading intrade. lol.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: King on March 13, 2012, 08:36:48 PM
If Romney eeks out another win at 95% reporting, I will punch something.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:37:31 PM
Romney just had a comparatively bad dump in Hinds County, MS (Jackson) to both Santorum and Gingrich's approximately equal benefit.  Still won handily, but not as handily as before, and it was a big dump.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:37:57 PM
AL @10, S 35, G 30, R 28


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 08:38:23 PM
Romney is out first on CNN tonight and not Ron Paul... only an interview, but he seems to do better in interview than he does in speeches.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
By contrast, Romney just had one of his few good second batches of the night, in Birmingham


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 08:38:48 PM

CLOSE!!!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: muon2 on March 13, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
MS @ 40, S 33, G 31, R 30.  CLOSE


yes, but the percentages have been holding for a long time. Unless there's a large vote out there that is way out of pattern this may be the final order.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: patrick1 on March 13, 2012, 08:39:48 PM
Romney is out first on CNN tonight and not Ron Paul... only an interview, but he seems to do better in interview than he does in speeches.

Really?  He stuttered all over the Afghanistan question.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:40:14 PM
missisipi


reporting :

23 % SANTO 33.3---------ROM 29.8
26.2% SANTO 33.4-------ROM 29.6
29.5% SANTO 33.3-------ROM 29.6
35.8% SANTO 32.7--------ROM 30.8
37.7% SANTO 32.9--------ROM 30.4


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:40:35 PM
I'm pretty confident in saying that Romney areas are overrepresented in both states right now, although Alabama is a little unclearer (Huntsville and Mobile)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:40:44 PM
MS @ 50, S 33, G 31, R 31.  CLOSE



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:40:55 PM


what's intrade, please?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 08:41:07 PM

Providing spam about the total count we're all capable of seeing with one glance at the TV or cnn online seems to be his only purpose in election night threads.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 08:43:25 PM
Mississippi, more than Alabama so far, really blows for Mittens. I suspect Rick will win it, unless the precincts are unrepresentative. Granted delegate wise, in MS, about two delegates are at stake in all this action. Maybe as much as 15-20 are in play in Alabama.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:43:25 PM

Providing spam about the total count we're all capable of seeing with one glance at the TV or cnn online seems to be his only purpose in election night threads.

Well, what else is there to do about the count.  It also can show shifting (though there is not much tonight).

MS@ 60, 33, 31, 31


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: M on March 13, 2012, 08:44:05 PM
MS @ 50, S 33, G 31, R 31.  CLOSE



omg stop it


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:44:18 PM
One caveat: If anyone's areas seem under-reported in Mississippi, it might be Gingrich's.

Also, at this point, if Mobile is solid Romney, I think it would be a demographic and geographical aberration.

j.j. seriously find something more useful to look at pls


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:44:30 PM
missisipi


reporting :

23 % SANTO 33.3---------ROM 29.8
26.2% SANTO 33.4-------ROM 29.6
29.5% SANTO 33.3-------ROM 29.6
35.8% SANTO 32.7--------ROM 30.8
37.7% SANTO 32.9--------ROM 30.4
42.2% SANTO 32.7-------ROM 30.8



i'm afraid of a new ohio...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
LOL, they're only expecting about 50 voters at a restaurant to pick American Samoa's 6 delegates. Of course Romney will win all of them.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
Montgomery just had a big dump (up to 71% reporting), and it was about the same as previous results (moderate Romney lead), but even with it, Santorum is still +5%


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:46:32 PM
One caveat: If anyone's areas seem under-reported in Mississippi, it might be Gingrich's.

Also, at this point, if Mobile is solid Romney, I think it would be a demographic and geographical aberration.

j.j. seriously find something more useful to look at pls

Gingrich is increasing slightly in MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 08:46:56 PM
missisipi


reporting :

23 % SANTO 33.3---------ROM 29.8
26.2% SANTO 33.4-------ROM 29.6
29.5% SANTO 33.3-------ROM 29.6
35.8% SANTO 32.7--------ROM 30.8
37.7% SANTO 32.9--------ROM 30.4
42.2% SANTO 32.7-------ROM 30.8



i'm afraid of a new ohio...

Romney's areas (Jacksonville and suburbs) are over-reporting. He would have been ahead by now if this was a new Ohio.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:47:08 PM
Much more Huntsville in, up to 27% reporting.  If there are magical Romney wards outstanding, they weren't in this dump.  Romney remains up only 33%-30%.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 08:47:24 PM
Hey, remember 106 minutes ago when the exit poll had Romney up 5% in MS?

Good times.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 08:48:38 PM
Hey, remember 106 minutes ago when the exit poll had Romney up 5% in MS?

Good times.

Romney still leads the exit poll. Of course it is of declining relevance.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:49:47 PM
MISS SANTORUM LEAD (evolution of reporting)(against rom, not ginbitch)

3.8
3.7
1.9
2.5
1.9
2.3


ALA SANTORUM LEAD

5.5
5.6
5.6
6.2
6.4


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:50:01 PM
I don't see Romney pulling this out in MS.  The numbers have been holding.  Outside chance for Gingrich coming in third.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
In Mississippi, the Gingrich counties are between 75-90% in , but Santorum is still around 50% in in the far north... Santorum seems destined to pick up a little ground there... clearly "Appalachia" likes Santorum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:51:40 PM
I'm not sure if Gingrich areas are underreported enough in MS for him to be favored to pull this off with 72% reporting, but at this point, I think a Gingrich win in MS is Santorum's biggest threat for a good night.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 08:51:51 PM
How long until the next "Congratulations, Phil !"-thread ?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: M on March 13, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
missisipi


reporting :

23 % SANTO 33.3---------ROM 29.8
26.2% SANTO 33.4-------ROM 29.6
29.5% SANTO 33.3-------ROM 29.6
35.8% SANTO 32.7--------ROM 30.8
37.7% SANTO 32.9--------ROM 30.4
42.2% SANTO 32.7-------ROM 30.8



i'm afraid of a new ohio...

Romney's areas (Jacksonville and suburbs) are over-reporting. He would have been ahead by now if this was a new Ohio.

Jacksoville, MS, eh? Never heard of it.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: M on March 13, 2012, 08:53:03 PM
In Mississippi, the Gingrich counties are between 75-90% in , but Santorum is still around 50% in in the far north... Santorum seems destined to pick up a little ground there... clearly "Appalachia" likes Santorum.

It's really not Appalachia at all though. At best its hilly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/AppalachianLocatorMap2.png


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 08:53:42 PM
NBC calls AL for Rick


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
G has gained on S at some points, but then drops back.  He was one point down at one point.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
santo doing better!

MISS SANTORUM LEAD

3.8
3.7
1.9
2.5
1.9
2.3
2.8


ALA SANTORUM LEAD

5.5
5.6
5.6
6.2
6.4
6.6


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 08:54:35 PM
I'm calling it... Rick wins both... time to go home Newt.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:54:47 PM
Gingrichland doesn't look underreported in MS anymore.

I'm hearing NBC called Alabama for Santorum.  I wouldn't, but probably a safe enough call if it's true.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 08:55:09 PM
Plane just landed, who won?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 08:55:18 PM
In Mississippi, the Gingrich counties are between 75-90% in , but Santorum is still around 50% in in the far north... Santorum seems destined to pick up a little ground there... clearly "Appalachia" likes Santorum.

It's really not Appalachia at all though. At best its hilly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/AppalachianLocatorMap2.png

Nothing says Appalachia quite like Ithaca or Albany NY, southern Vermont, or Amherst MA.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 08:55:33 PM
Well a couple of precincts are in, in quite upscale Baldwin County in Alabama (a lot of high SES people live there just across the bay from Mobile), and Rick leads by 8%. Unless in the hinterlands, that is a horrible number for Mittens - just horrible.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:55:51 PM
Alabama and Mississippi are both off the table for the Governor! :D

Santorum on his face.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
hey, newton gingrinch


time for you to hear this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwFpAZN620&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwFpAZN620&feature=related)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 08:56:14 PM

Looks like Frothy in both.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:56:38 PM
And yup, just checked the MSNBC site. They've called Alabama for Santorum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 13, 2012, 08:56:45 PM
Bye-bye, Newt! Please, don't try anymore; it pains us all.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 08:56:50 PM
missisipi


reporting :

23 % SANTO 33.3---------ROM 29.8
26.2% SANTO 33.4-------ROM 29.6
29.5% SANTO 33.3-------ROM 29.6
35.8% SANTO 32.7--------ROM 30.8
37.7% SANTO 32.9--------ROM 30.4
42.2% SANTO 32.7-------ROM 30.8



i'm afraid of a new ohio...

Romney's areas (Jacksonville and suburbs) are over-reporting. He would have been ahead by now if this was a new Ohio.

Jacksoville, MS, eh? Never heard of it.

Ahhh...
That's what happens when you stay up at 4.00 AM.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Hey, remember 106 minutes ago when the exit poll had Romney up 5% in MS?

Good times.

Remember when Drudge declared Mitt Romney the winner in MS three hours before the polls closed?

Heh.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:57:02 PM
Fairly big Birmingham dump was nice for Santorum, bad for Gingrich, worse for Romney.

Romney needs to find strongholds and get lucky with subsequent dumps to avoid a 3rd place in both.

Drudge looking like an asshat


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
Gingrichland doesn't look underreported in MS anymore.

I'm hearing NBC called Alabama for Santorum.  I wouldn't, but probably a safe enough call if it's true.

I'd be more likely to call MS for Santorum at this point.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: King on March 13, 2012, 08:57:24 PM

SANTORUM.  MITTENS IN THIRD BOTH STATES.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 08:57:36 PM

A little premature to call Mississippi.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 08:58:08 PM
Gingrichland doesn't look underreported in MS anymore.

I'm hearing NBC called Alabama for Santorum.  I wouldn't, but probably a safe enough call if it's true.

I'd be more likely to call MS for Santorum at this point.

I wouldn't.  Gingrich just cut the gap by 25% in the past few minutes.

The only call I'd make in Alabama at this point is "Romney loses."


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: M on March 13, 2012, 08:58:12 PM
Santorum doing well in the Gulf Coast is interesting. Maybe for once he's actually doing well among Catholics? That would make a sort of sense, since in the South Catholics are much more "the other" than in the Rust Belt. That would be a very good sign for him in Louisiana.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 08:58:45 PM
No one's discussed what happens if Newt and Santorum take a state each...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 08:59:08 PM

It think both are a premature, though R is third in MS.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: retromike22 on March 13, 2012, 08:59:14 PM

I think it's premature to call Alabama.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 08:59:37 PM

Who cares, as long as Mittens got spanked.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 09:00:06 PM
Santorum doing well in the Gulf Coast is interesting. Maybe for once he's actually doing well among Catholics? That would make a sort of sense, since in the South Catholics are much more "the other" than in the Rust Belt. That would be a very good sign for him in Louisiana.

Yes, and some of those Catholics are well, yes, you guessed it - Coonass Cajuns. Cajuns loved being called coonasses by the way. It is a term of endearment.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:01:14 PM
Mobile early votes are in, Romney 39, Santorum 32, Gingrich 22.  Romney has pretty much ran out of potential strongholds unless poll voters there are fantastic for him.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 09:01:46 PM
So the polls were a massive failure and Mitt's southern ceiling is still 28% basically. Good to know!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
What is with CNN's primary night intros, SERIOUSLY!?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: M on March 13, 2012, 09:02:28 PM
Mobile early votes are in, Romney 39, Santorum 32, Gingrich 22.  Romney has pretty much ran out of potential strongholds unless poll voters there are fantastic for him.

1% of precincts in an urban county could mean anything or nothing.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 09:02:45 PM
Santorum takes the RCP lead by Friday.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: TJ in Oregon on March 13, 2012, 09:03:42 PM
Santorum doing well in the Gulf Coast is interesting. Maybe for once he's actually doing well among Catholics? That would make a sort of sense, since in the South Catholics are much more "the other" than in the Rust Belt. That would be a very good sign for him in Louisiana.

Yes, and some of those Catholics are well, yes, you guessed it - Coonass Cajuns. Cajuns loved being called coonasses by the way. It is a term of endearment.

There's a huge difference between rural Catholics and urban Catholics in GOP primary voting. I would suspect the main reason why Romney has done well with rust belt Catholics overall is that Catholics are more likely to live in urban areas. If you look at the Catholic counties in the rural parts (of Ohio at least and Michigan shows this somewhat too) Romney lose to Santorum pretty badly.

That's my guess anyway.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
Mobile early votes are in, Romney 39, Santorum 32, Gingrich 22.  Romney has pretty much ran out of potential strongholds unless poll voters there are fantastic for him.

1% of precincts in an urban county could mean anything or nothing.

If it has a lot of early votes in there (and 1% in would suggest it does), that's really not especially good news for Romney -- although, you're right, we shouldn't be too literal about the Mobile results yet.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:04:36 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

It's a distinct possibility; I'd give it like 35-40% odds at this point.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 09:05:43 PM

He was already surging, for whatever reason (Kansas maybe?), this should put him over the top.

And the rollercoaster continues.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:05:53 PM
A lot of what's left in Mississippi is the Black Belt (hat tip to Bacon King), and it probably makes Gingrich look more underreported than he is.  But with such a tight margin (we've been trading between +2,000 and +1,500 Santorum several times without ticking up 1%) this is purely reading tea leaves.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 09:06:23 PM
After Super Tuesday no one was expecting Romney to win MS and AL. A loss here for Romney is nothing serious. A loss for Gingrich on the other hand is fatal. Santorum really needs to win big here for him to get much momentum out of it. If its close it is actually better for Romney.

Well It won't be close for Romney when you consider that almost two-thirds voted against him, but the damage will be bearable and he can come back in states where he is stronger


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Sam Spade on March 13, 2012, 09:06:50 PM
So the polls were a massive failure and Mitt's southern ceiling is still 28% basically. Good to know!

More like 30%, but yeah.  I suspected the polls would be wrong in Alabama, but didn't bet on it in Mississippi.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Atleast Mitt still has Hawaii and Samoa!

Oh... ah.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: marvelrobbins on March 13, 2012, 09:07:35 PM
I think It Is safe to say eather Santorum or Gingrich wins In Miss,With 79 percent of vote
Santorum has a 1 percent lead.The south tonight again was bad for Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

Yes, so could Mittens at this point, barely.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 09:08:57 PM
"Nighttime is the right time for Santorum" Rachel Maddow. Best line of the primary so far


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:09:31 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

Yes, so could Mittens at this point, barely.

It would be helpful to Romney if he had a meaningful lead in any place that wasn't overreported.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2012, 09:10:10 PM
After Super Tuesday no one was expecting Romney to win MS and AL.

LOL


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 09:10:22 PM
"Nighttime is the right time for Santorum" Rachel Maddow. Best line of the primary so far

Does she mean how I think (hope :P) she means it though?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:10:33 PM


unfortunately for him, Micronesia and philippines had left US ruling


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 09:11:29 PM
"Nighttime is the right time for Santorum" Rachel Maddow. Best line of the primary so far

Does she mean how I think (hope :P) she means it though?

She clearly did... MSNBC has been effing hysterical in the past 15 minutes.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:12:10 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

Yes, so could Mittens at this point, barely.

It would be helpful to Romney if he had a meaningful lead in any place that wasn't overreported.

Barely, some of the urban areas are still out.

AL, is at 44 reporting, and Santorum is still holding.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 09:12:23 PM
Well per CNN, Mittens margin is Jackson has been almost totally erased. I suspect he will come in third in both states (maybe second in MS). He clearly will not come in first in either. God bless the two states delegate allocation system, but I suspect Mittens will fall about 10-15 delegates or so short of my spreadsheet.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 13, 2012, 09:12:43 PM
Well... it is time for Newt to step aside


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: patrick1 on March 13, 2012, 09:14:14 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

Yes, so could Mittens at this point, barely.

It would be helpful to Romney if he had a meaningful lead in any place that wasn't overreported.

Barely, some of the urban areas are still out.

AL, is at 44 reporting, and Santorum is still holding.

J.J. take a lap, hit the showers and proceed straight to bed.   


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:15:24 PM
from 63 to 70 % reporting, the lead of santorum vs newton is the same : from 1.1 to 1.2


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
uh J.J., what urban areas in Mississippi are "still out"?  A few are underreported (the Jackson metro has gone from overreported to about parity) but I can't imagine that's enough for Romney to be anything but screwed.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Sam Spade on March 13, 2012, 09:16:05 PM
Both of these contests are over folks.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

Yes, so could Mittens at this point, barely.

It would be helpful to Romney if he had a meaningful lead in any place that wasn't overreported.

Barely, some of the urban areas are still out.

AL, is at 44 reporting, and Santorum is still holding.

J.J. take a lap, hit the showers and proceed straight to bed.   

Why, that's good news for Santorum supporters?  Santorum is holding, and Fox just called it for him.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 09:16:36 PM
CNN calls AL for Rick.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
Santorum doing well in the Gulf Coast is interesting. Maybe for once he's actually doing well among Catholics? That would make a sort of sense, since in the South Catholics are much more "the other" than in the Rust Belt. That would be a very good sign for him in Louisiana.

Yes, and some of those Catholics are well, yes, you guessed it - Coonass Cajuns. Cajuns loved being called coonasses by the way. It is a term of endearment.

There's a huge difference between rural Catholics and urban Catholics in GOP primary voting. I would suspect the main reason why Romney has done well with rust belt Catholics overall is that Catholics are more likely to live in urban areas. If you look at the Catholic counties in the rural parts (of Ohio at least and Michigan shows this somewhat too) Romney lose to Santorum pretty badly.

That's my guess anyway.

Check the results in counties like van wert, auglaize, and mercer and you have your answer.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: retromike22 on March 13, 2012, 09:16:53 PM
Bye Newt :(

Why oh why did you forget about Colorado and Minnesota?!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
from 63 to 70 % reporting, the lead of santorum vs newton is the same : from 1.1 to 1.2


1.3 now! after 72.7 reporting! yeesssss!!!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
God, Mississippi is obviously holding a "how long can we stay at 79% reporting?" contest


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 09:19:26 PM
"Mr. Gibbs, what do you make of these numbers tonight ?"

()


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: NHI on March 13, 2012, 09:19:40 PM
Ugh, another Santourm win, that means he'll still be around...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:20:06 PM
Intrade is insane. A 1.5% chance of Gingrich winning Mississippi?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: patrick1 on March 13, 2012, 09:20:42 PM
pingrich is very close to santorum in MS. Could he win at the end?

Yes, so could Mittens at this point, barely.

It would be helpful to Romney if he had a meaningful lead in any place that wasn't overreported.

Barely, some of the urban areas are still out.

AL, is at 44 reporting, and Santorum is still holding.

J.J. take a lap, hit the showers and proceed straight to bed.   

Why, that's good news for Santorum supporters?  Santorum is holding, and Fox just called it for him.

Dude, stop trying to cover now bro.  You were hedging to the bitter end.  There was nothing out for Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 09:21:07 PM
God, Mississippi is obviously holding a "how long can we stay at 79% reporting?" contest

Alabama is going to catch up to them in a few minutes


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 09:21:29 PM
Ugh, another Santourm win, that means he'll still be around...

I told you boy. When Santorum gets out of the hole, it sticks around for a long time.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 09:22:07 PM
So the AL exits were right, but were the MS exit polls wrong or are there big pockets of Romney vote to still come in (like in OH)?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on March 13, 2012, 09:23:19 PM
ROLL TIDE!


Alabama joins Santorum country! :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 09:23:31 PM
So the polls were a massive failure and Mitt's southern ceiling is still 28% basically. Good to know!

Looks like the inevitable nominee will get 3rd place in both. But he'll landslide American Samoa's 50 voters, and that's what really counts.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:23:37 PM
only 1% of leading after 77% reporting, gnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:23:43 PM
uh J.J., what urban areas in Mississippi are "still out"?  A few are underreported (the Jackson metro has gone from overreported to about parity) but I can't imagine that's enough for Romney to be anything but screwed.

Lauterdale, Lowndes, Washington.   Yazoo (not urban), where Santorum is running third, is about 30% in.  Jackson is 90% in.  It is an outside chance, but it is a tight race.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
Santorum is even leading in Huntsville now.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RogueBeaver on March 13, 2012, 09:23:54 PM
So the AL exits were right, but were the MS exit polls wrong or are there big pockets of Romney vote to still come in (like in OH)?

Turnout was too low- even in the biggest counties it was less than 15000 total.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:24:10 PM
I've made quite a lot of money tonight...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Tender Branson on March 13, 2012, 09:24:44 PM
So the AL exits were right, but were the MS exit polls wrong or are there big pockets of Romney vote to still come in (like in OH)?

MS exit poll is now modified to show a Santorum win.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 13, 2012, 09:25:17 PM
I've made quite a lot of money tonight...

Well played!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 13, 2012, 09:25:52 PM
Going to bed. Hope Rick carries Mississippi.

Santorum splashed across every newsanchor's lips tomorrow.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:25:58 PM
no caucus in guantanamo for romney?...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:26:35 PM
uh J.J., what urban areas in Mississippi are "still out"?  A few are underreported (the Jackson metro has gone from overreported to about parity) but I can't imagine that's enough for Romney to be anything but screwed.

Lauterdale, Lowndes, Washington.   Yazoo (not urban), where Santorum is running third, is about 30% in.  Jackson is 90% in.  It is an outside chance, but it is a tight race.

Yazoo is tiny and mostly black

Washington is 100% reported

I guess Lowndes and Lauderdale are arguable bright spots for Romney, but no freaking way they're enough.  I guess Romney could get insanely lucky, but I really doubt it.

I would not call any of those counties "urban" but whatevs


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:27:04 PM
79.8 reporting richard lead 1.2 vs newton


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Badger on March 13, 2012, 09:27:04 PM
uh J.J., what urban areas in Mississippi are "still out"?  A few are underreported (the Jackson metro has gone from overreported to about parity) but I can't imagine that's enough for Romney to be anything but screwed.

Lauterdale, Lowndes, Washington.   Yazoo (not urban), where Santorum is running third, is about 30% in.  Jackson is 90% in.  It is an outside chance, but it is a tight race.

You have quite the expansive definition of 'urban'.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 09:27:28 PM
So the AL exits were right, but were the MS exit polls wrong or are there big pockets of Romney vote to still come in (like in OH)?

MS exit poll is now modified to show a Santorum win.
sneaky!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Chaddyr23 on March 13, 2012, 09:28:41 PM
Love Eric Erickson's story about how his sister was the only one who cared to vote in her office. This party is just anyone but Obama and it's gonna hurt in the end.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 09:29:06 PM
The media is going to have fun throwing Romney's quote: "...the desperate end of Rick Santorum's campaign..." back at him tonight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:29:16 PM

I don't understand how just plain stupid people are with real money. I bought Santorum in MS for under 10 earlier tonight...



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:29:52 PM
The media is going to have fund throwing Romney's quote: "...the desperate end of Rick Santorum's campaign..." back at him tonight.


he really said that?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:30:33 PM
Santorum up 3,000 in MS with 88% in.  There's a few good places like Rankin for Gingrich outstanding, but it's getting tougher and tougher for Newt.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
The media is going to have fund throwing Romney's quote: "...the desperate end of Rick Santorum's campaign..." back at him tonight.


he really said that?

On CNN earlier in an interview


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:32:02 PM
Santorum up 3,000 in MS with 88% in.  There's a few good places like Rankin for Gingrich outstanding, but it's getting tougher and tougher for Newt.

A slightly greater than 1% chance still seems absurd.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
Oh, yes, Intrade is absolutely on crack...still.

90% reporting, Santorum +3,300


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:33:52 PM
Santorum up 3,000 in MS with 88%


the link, please ? on my huffington, they are only at 81.4%


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:34:35 PM
Santorum also stands a chance of overtaking Romney in Birmingham, which would leave Montgomery as Romney's only urban Alabama county (and maybe Mobile, still really nothing in from there.)

Link @ http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ms


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:35:51 PM
BEFORE CNN, COLBERT CAN SAY : MISSISSIPPI GOES TO SANTORUM !


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:36:04 PM
uh J.J., what urban areas in Mississippi are "still out"?  A few are underreported (the Jackson metro has gone from overreported to about parity) but I can't imagine that's enough for Romney to be anything but screwed.

Lauterdale, Lowndes, Washington.   Yazoo (not urban), where Santorum is running third, is about 30% in.  Jackson is 90% in.  It is an outside chance, but it is a tight race.

Yazoo is tiny and mostly black

And voting for Romney, with Santorum in 3rd.

Quote
Washington is 100% reported

It hadn't when I posted.

Quote
I guess Lowndes and Lauderdale are arguable bright spots for Romney, but no freaking way they're enough.  I guess Romney could get insanely lucky, but I really doubt it.

I would not call any of those counties "urban" but whatevs

At 90%, you can take out Romney, but Gingrich still has a fair shot of winning.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wiz in Wis on March 13, 2012, 09:36:31 PM
Oh Jeez... Santorum just winked to his 3 year old special needs daughter... and I, a Massachusetts liberal... totally believed it was genuine... this is why Romney keeps losing. Santorum is nuts, but he's not a liar.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:36:53 PM

Link @ http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/ms


merci beaucoup :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Nation on March 13, 2012, 09:37:11 PM
Am I the only who, when seeing Rick Santorum speak, thinks "this guy would be a stronger candidate than Romney?" Am I crazy?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on March 13, 2012, 09:37:29 PM
I gotta hand it to you Phil. That's one tough Italian SoB you got out there.;)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:37:57 PM
uh J.J., what urban areas in Mississippi are "still out"?  A few are underreported (the Jackson metro has gone from overreported to about parity) but I can't imagine that's enough for Romney to be anything but screwed.

Lauterdale, Lowndes, Washington.   Yazoo (not urban), where Santorum is running third, is about 30% in.  Jackson is 90% in.  It is an outside chance, but it is a tight race.

Yazoo is tiny and mostly black

And voting for Romney, with Santorum in 3rd.

Quote
Washington is 100% reported

It hadn't when I posted.

Quote
I guess Lowndes and Lauderdale are arguable bright spots for Romney, but no freaking way they're enough.  I guess Romney could get insanely lucky, but I really doubt it.

I would not call any of those counties "urban" but whatevs

At 90%, you can take out Romney, but Gingrich still has a fair shot of winning.

It was reporting at the time for me, I think...but in any case, you just called Yazoo City (pop. 11,000 and 27% white) an "urban" area in the Republican primary, so I'm not sure what to say


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:38:25 PM
95% reporting

Santorum +3,700

This is pretty much over.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 09:38:44 PM
Oh Jeez... Santorum just winked to his 3 year old special needs daughter... and I, a Massachusetts liberal... totally believed it was genuine... this is why Romney keeps losing. Santorum is nuts, but he's not a liar.

I had the same thought.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:39:19 PM



you mean...there would be OTHER type of Massachusettians?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 09:39:32 PM
The bigger upset tonight is not Santorum beating Romney but Santorum beating Gingrich.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 09:40:09 PM
OK, looks like they can call both of these in the following order Santorum Gingrich Romney. LOL at Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:40:41 PM



you mean...there would be OTHER type of Massachusettians?

Ever heard of Scott Brown?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:40:50 PM
The bigger upset tonight is not Santorum beating Romney but Santorum beating Gingrich.



and, hopefully, maybe, at last, the end of gingrich campain


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:41:04 PM
Santorum opened up his lead in MS; he has it.  Gingrich is dropping back a bit.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:41:29 PM
96% in, Santorum +4,000

Expect calls to come pretty soon.

I'm not sure I'd call Gingrich>Romney in AL quite yet.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: tmthforu94 on March 13, 2012, 09:41:36 PM
Well, lesson learned by the Romney camp - should have spent the last few days in Mississippi, not Alabama. He might have actually been able to win Mississippi had he focused solely there, and then he'd make a stronger case for momentum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:42:18 PM



you mean...there would be OTHER type of Massachusettians?

Ever heard of Scott Brown?


no, sorry, but I goes immediatly wikiing


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Volrath50 on March 13, 2012, 09:43:41 PM
I wonder if Santorum's huge wins will have any effect on the Hawaii Caucus. Those polls haven't even opened yet, I think.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ajb on March 13, 2012, 09:44:04 PM
Yazoo County now 100% in.
Romney 702
Santorum 682
Gingrich 680

That urban vote really came in for Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:44:55 PM
Well, lesson learned by the Romney camp - should have spent the last few days in Mississippi, not Alabama. He might have actually been able to win Mississippi had he focused solely there, and then he'd make a stronger case for momentum.

You've got a basic demographic problem in these states. Just "focusing" on Mississippi isn't going to get you much further than the 30% mark. The only way Romney could have won anything tonight would have been if there had been a nearly perfect split between Santorum and Gingrich. (A possibility, but not much room for error.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:45:17 PM
Yazoo County now 100% in.
Romney 702
Santorum 682
Gingrich 680

That urban vote really came in for Romney.

The elevators in the Yazoo City high-rises were broken, and Romney's supporters were already tipsy on chardonnay, so they couldn't make it down in time to vote.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
In the first big Mobile, AL dump, Romney and Santorum are running about neck-and-neck.

Some networks still not calling Mississippi because it's so close.

Third place in Alabama is not totally ready to be called either, although it's pretty obvious Romney will be 3rd in both states.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:47:42 PM
Romney should come out third in MS, though by less than 4000 votes.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Thomas D on March 13, 2012, 09:48:23 PM
If you thought Newt's speech was long last week...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 09:48:32 PM
I wonder how much of an anti LDS issue there was, unspoken, among all those more upscale, but God fearing folks, down there?  The demographic collapse among upscale votes for Mittens is pretty surprising.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:49:15 PM
The bigger upset tonight is not Santorum beating Romney but Santorum beating Gingrich.

I had Gingrich winning both, so yes.  Santorum is the ABR candidate.

At this point, Gingrich should drop out.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 13, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
Done deal.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: HST1948 on March 13, 2012, 09:50:26 PM
CNN projects Mississippi for Santorum


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 09:50:46 PM
A double win for Santorum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 09:51:28 PM
If you thought Newt's speech was long last week...

Is he doing his normal comedy routine? (7 Lincoln-Douglas debates...Yes, President Obama can use his teleprompter!!!!)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 09:51:53 PM
Not done yes AS and HI are still out.

Any idea on the delegate count?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 09:52:13 PM
While a bad night for Romney, his third place showing in MS was still his best showing in the south so far with 30%.

And while Romney missed an opportunty to show himself as a strong front runner, he is still on his path to win on delegates. Results tonight still fit in the recent Nate Silver "baseline" scenario where Romney ends with majority of delegates.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 09:53:17 PM
A terrific night! Should have stuck by my Santorum guns though, could have won 4 points.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 09:54:30 PM
Romney could take 2nd in either state still...in theory.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Nation on March 13, 2012, 09:57:19 PM
Gingrich speaking.....


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Colbert on March 13, 2012, 09:57:27 PM
ok...newton dont let down.


Clearly now, we can say that he works for romney


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Sam Spade on March 13, 2012, 09:58:05 PM
I wonder how much of an anti LDS issue there was, unspoken, among all those more upscale, but God fearing folks, down there?  The demographic collapse among upscale votes for Mittens is pretty surprising.

Told you that Romney has ceilings in these states.  Until it gets to one-on-one, the numbers work a bit different there.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Nation on March 13, 2012, 09:58:22 PM
My prediction: Newt claims he's making a big charge, talk about delegates, then reconsider in the next two weeks.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Nation on March 13, 2012, 09:59:38 PM
ok...newton dont let down.


Clearly now, we can say that he works for romney

I don't know, the longer this campaign goes on the more his contempt seems to come out full flare against Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on March 13, 2012, 10:01:19 PM
Am I the only who, when seeing Rick Santorum speak, thinks "this guy would be a stronger candidate than Romney?" Am I crazy?

You are not. Santorum is the stronger GE candidate.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Simfan34 on March 13, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
My prediction: Newt claims he's making a big charge, talk about delegates, then reconsider in the next two weeks.

a la Huntsman


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
Romney could take 2nd in either state still...in theory.

Very outside chance at this point.  In AL, all candidates have been holding their positions since about 10% of the returns were in.

At 96%, in MS, I don't think there is a 3,500 plurality out there.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: izixs on March 13, 2012, 10:04:09 PM
Hmm... I should of kept with my predictions that Santorum would get both. Oh well.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ajb on March 13, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
It doesn't help Romney tonight that his good events (HI and Samoa) will happen while most of the country is asleep.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:05:00 PM
ok...newton dont let down.


Clearly now, we can say that he works for romney

I don't know, the longer this campaign goes on the more his contempt seems to come out full flare against Romney.

He definitely wasn't on the payroll in SC.

The Whack-a-Mole has been whacked.  :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 13, 2012, 10:06:05 PM
Not done yes AS and HI are still out.

Any idea on the delegate count?

I think we can call those for Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Frodo on March 13, 2012, 10:06:12 PM
CNN now projecting a southern sweep by Rick Santorum of both Mississippi and Alabama.  

So when can we expect Newt Gingrich to call it quits and endorse Santorum?  Given the enmity between him and Romney, I know he does not want Romney to have an easy time of it in winning the nomination.  


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: rob in cal on March 13, 2012, 10:08:08 PM
When is the last time an exit poll had the eventual winner at third place?
It was hilarious to hear on the Hugh Hewitt show him leading with the news of Romney's exit poll win in MS, right after the polls closed.  Hugh, you need to spend some time on the Atlas forum.
btw, congrats to all the posters who were suspicious of the MS exit polls.
And, congrats to Phil, your guy lives to fight another day.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:08:35 PM
It doesn't help Romney tonight that his good events (HI and Samoa) will happen while most of the country is asleep.

If it is reported like KS, they'll wake up to the headline:

Santorum Wins AL and MS; Romney Gains Delegates

It might even be:

Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 10:09:43 PM
It doesn't help Romney tonight that his good events (HI and Samoa) will happen while most of the country is asleep.

If it is reported like KS, they'll wake up to the headline:

Santorum Wins AL and MS; Romney Gains Delegates

It might even be:

Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

Yeah, good luck on that man.

I think the best news for Romney tonight (besides the existence of the two other contests) is that some voters realize that this performance isn't especially impressive for Santorum, a la Romney's narrow Michigan win.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

You are truly something else, J.J.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Franzl on March 13, 2012, 10:13:49 PM
Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

You are truly something else, J.J.

And the amusing part is that (I think) he actually believes it.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:15:12 PM
It doesn't help Romney tonight that his good events (HI and Samoa) will happen while most of the country is asleep.

If it is reported like KS, they'll wake up to the headline:

Santorum Wins AL and MS; Romney Gains Delegates

It might even be:

Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

Yeah, good luck on that man.

I think the best news for Romney tonight (besides the existence of the two other contests) is that some voters realize that this performance isn't especially impressive for Santorum, a la Romney's narrow Michigan win.

Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

You are truly something else, J.J.

It happened last Saturday.  :)

Seriously, I don't write the news stories, but I have to admit it, the media is in the tank for Romney.

BTW:  Congratulations Phil.  :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:18:24 PM
Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

You are truly something else, J.J.

And the amusing part is that (I think) he actually believes it.

Well, I beat Charles Krauthammer to it on Fox.  :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: doktorb on March 13, 2012, 10:18:49 PM
I know it's CSPAN but all the same, a caller has just said "Santorum is the only candidate in touch with reality"

I almost chocked on my tea.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 10:18:57 PM
Romney is actually creeping up on Gingrich in Alabama; he's down only 1,000 with 85% reporting.

Edit: 1,400 with 88% reporting.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: doktorb on March 13, 2012, 10:21:09 PM
I know it's CSPAN, there seems to be a woman having a fit of pique about the use of Politico.com in broadcasts. (IT'S LEFTIST PROPAGANDA!!! RAGE)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 10:22:02 PM
Whoop, with 90% reporting Romney is now down only 200 votes in Alabama, versus Gingrich.

Honestly, I think a third-place result for Gingrich in Alabama might be even better for Santorum than Romney in 3rd.  Santorum has already embarrassed Romney in both states.  It would help to embarrass Gingrich in one of his "must-wins" too.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: platypeanArchcow on March 13, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
Those were big dumps from Mobile and Baldwin, which have now caught up with the rest of the state.  Gingrich should pull it out.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 10:27:53 PM
Whoop, with 90% reporting Romney is now down only 200 votes in Alabama, versus Gingrich.

Honestly, I think a third-place result for Gingrich in Alabama might be even better for Santorum than Romney in 3rd.  Santorum has already embarrassed Romney in both states.  It would help to embarrass Gingrich in one of his "must-wins" too.

Where is Mittens pulling a rabbit out of the hat?  And yes, I agree with you.  Newt being around is probably worth about 75 delegates for Mittens in the end, as a wild guess. That man whom I loathe viscerally (Rick I disdain but certainly do not loathe), needs to be kept somewhat viable for awhile longer. Maybe however he can ride his $2.50 gas price BS to staying viable irrespective. He's gone totally nutter on that one, but maybe that just makes him more appealing!  :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 10:29:41 PM
Those were big dumps from Mobile and Baldwin, which have now caught up with the rest of the state.  Gingrich should pull it out.

OK, then the earlier vote in Baldwin was from the hinterlands. That early number really freaked me out. It would be like my home town going for Rick - well not really, but you get the drift.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 10:31:31 PM
Romney was getting some urban areas finishing up, which helped them.  At 98% reporting (with Gingrich +2,000) Mobile is still 20% out, but Romney's lead there over Gingrich is only +4,000.  Romney is a doubly cooked goose, I'm pretty sure.

Edit: And the new Mobile dump was basically a three-way tie, safe Gingrich.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 13, 2012, 10:40:41 PM
Looks like Paul's best county of the night so far is Pearl River, at all of 8.4%

While I can't get the percentage for him from the Google maps, it appears that Rick Perry's best county in Mississippi was ...  Perry County!  He also did relatively well in Perry County, Alabama, but with only 42% reporting it looks like Pickens County, Alabama is even better for now.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 10:41:30 PM
Anything on the delegates:

AP has:

MI:  S 12, R 11, G 11

AL:  S 15, G 9, R 7

Anybody with a better estimate?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 10:41:43 PM
Congrats Phil. 10 states now for Santorum.

Santorum did what Huckabee couldn't, win Mississippi.

Oh, and if Gingrich wants to see Romney go down in flames- he needs to drop out, so that Santorum can rack up some huge wins.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on March 13, 2012, 10:47:51 PM
Congrats Phil. 10 states now for Santorum.

Santorum did what Huckabee couldn't, win Mississippi.

Oh, and if Gingrich wants to see Romney go down in flames- he needs to drop out, so that Santorum can rack up some huge wins.

Huck dropped out before Mississippi voted.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Sam Spade on March 13, 2012, 10:48:54 PM
Santorum did what Huckabee couldn't, win Mississippi.

Huckabee had dropped out by that point.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 10:49:30 PM
While J. J. is busy drowning his tears in delegates, here's some actually useful contextualization from Nate Silver, who reminds us (http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/13/live-coverage-alabama-and-mississippi-primaries/#more-28675) that any Santorum victory probably requires Illinois, and even then it's a toughie:

Quote from: Most Glorious Analyst Nate Silver
Rick Santroum had a good night, beating polls in both Mississippi and Alabama and carrying both states.

I'm not sure if it qualifies as a great night, however. Mr. Santorum's advantage in the delegate count should be relatively modest: the Associated Press has called 22 delegates for him between the two states so far, versus 18 for Mitt Romney and 17 for Newt Gingrich. A number of delegates have yet to be decided in these states, but both divide their delegates in a relatively proportional way. And if Mr. Romney wins the caucuses in Hawaii and American Samoa, he could potentially take more delegates overall from the evening.

Moreover, these were the sort of states that Mr. Romney was "supposed" to lose based on their demographics. Although the polls overestimated Mr. Romney's standing, projections based on demographic models did reasonably well.

Mr. Romney will not have such excuses, however, if he loses Illinois, which votes a week from today. It's the only contest that evening and Mr. Romney is thought to be the favorite there, although polls and my demographic model show a fairly tight race.

Mr. Romney will have a significant lead in delegates even if he loses Illinois. But a loss there would be more characteristic of those scenarios where he falls short of a delegate majority and needs help from super delegates and other unpledged delegates to win the nomination.

The bar for Mr. Santorum to actually overtake Mr. Romney in delegates is much higher. Illinois would be a first step toward a more competitive path, but hardly a sufficient one. Still, it might be Mr. Santorum's best remaining opportunity to shift the overall course of the race.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 10:50:59 PM
Does someone who knows MS/AL demographics want to explain these county maps?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on March 13, 2012, 10:51:55 PM
Romney might have come in third in both MS and AL, but he still has hope tonight. Hawaii only has 17 delegates up for grabs tonight, but Romney could very well win all of them.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Quote
Huckabee had dropped out by that point

Well then. Santorum did what Huckabee did not, win MS. ;)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 10:54:01 PM
Anything on the delegates:

AP has:

MI:  S 12, R 11, G 11

AL:  S 15, G 9, R 7

Anybody with a better estimate?

As I said, the vote in MS didn't matter much. I think Mittens is one short of my spreadsheet (well there are three delegates still out for some reason, maybe depending on the final percentage, but maybe give 1 more to each candidate). In AL, they didn't allocate the CD delegates (where it is a 2-1-0 deal, rather than a 1-1-1 deal). It looks like Mittens might win 2 of the 7 CD's, worth four more delegates. He might pick up another couple coming in second in two CD's elsewhere. So allocate another 6 delegates to Mittens total. The rest go to the Newt/Rick candidate.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: yourelection on March 13, 2012, 10:54:36 PM
It was an interesting night. My thoughts about the primaries are up on the blog (http://www.yourelection.net/2012/03/santorum-takes-mississippi-and-alabama-from-gingrich/).

Time to sign off.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Sam Spade on March 13, 2012, 11:00:44 PM
Does someone who knows MS/AL demographics want to explain these county maps?

To simplify...

With AL - Gingrich won in the black belt, Santorum won in northern Alabama (which is full of all of those used-to-be Democrats who switched based on social issues) and Romney probably won in the suburbs and urban areas, though I'd have to look precinct by precinct there.  I said the polls were most likely to be way off in Alabama b/c most of the Santorum north Alabama folks still identify as Democrats and might get knocked out of the likely voter screen (same thing happened in 2008, btw)

With MS - Somewhat the same, though Mitt Romney had a better showing in the black belt here, which may well be due to Barbour's machine.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 11:02:14 PM
It was an interesting night. My thoughts about the primaries are up on the blog (http://www.yourelection.net/2012/03/santorum-takes-mississippi-and-alabama-from-gingrich/).

Time to sign off.

Interesting headline.  :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 11:10:04 PM
At the risk of sounding like a cartoonish super-villain...Losing AL and MS are all part of Mitt Romney's master plan.

..seriously. All he had to so is gather up some delegates and maintain his majority of delegates awarded position, which he has (even before he scoops up more from the pacific islands).

Moving forward, Romney's plan still probably expects him to lose almost half the upcoming contests. The only way for Santorum to stop Romney from getting his 1144 is for Rick to actually win a majority of contests, including some WTA states. I still don't see that happening.

The thing that Romney "lost" tonight is another chance to end this thing early. Just like with Super Tuesday, he continues to win just enough and nothing more.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 13, 2012, 11:16:24 PM
Yeah, but finishing third in both states is an embarrassment. Two, Newt got shutout.

You might call this a tactical defeat (in that Romney didn't win any states), but it's also a serious strategic defeat.

He spent money that he didn't need to spend in states that he lost (outspent Santorum + Gingrich combined).

I've been arguing this a long time now. If you can gain by spending nothing you are best off spending nothing. What he wants, for a strategic victory, are 2 Newt wins, if he can't win the states himself.

This is a big strategic and tactical victory for Santorum. He came from behind once again to defeat both of his rivals, and demonstrated that he's the only viable alternative to Mitt Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 11:18:57 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on March 13, 2012, 11:21:25 PM
It looks like "Uncommitted" has won at least 4 counties against Obama in Alabama :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Erc on March 13, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Anything on the delegates:

AP has:

MI:  S 12, R 11, G 11

AL:  S 15, G 9, R 7

Anybody with a better estimate?

As I said, the vote in MS didn't matter much. I think Mittens is one short of my spreadsheet (well there are three delegates still out for some reason, maybe depending on the final percentage, but maybe give 1 more to each candidate). In AL, they didn't allocate the CD delegates (where it is a 2-1-0 deal, rather than a 1-1-1 deal). It looks like Mittens might win 2 of the 7 CD's, worth four more delegates. He might pick up another couple coming in second in two CD's elsewhere. So allocate another 6 delegates to Mittens total. The rest go to the Newt/Rick candidate.

MS will end up as 13-12-12.  I'll dig through Alabama precinct results tomorrow (or the AP will beat me to it).


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 13, 2012, 11:23:53 PM
Well I royally screwed up those predictions.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 13, 2012, 11:24:28 PM
It doesn't actually matter how coming in 3rd might have "embarrassed" Romney, or what the delegate count might be tonight.  That's not actually the bad news for Romney.  The bad news for Romney is that Gingrich failed to win either state, and so now there's actually a chance that he might drop out soon.  Gingrich dropping out soon is the one thing with the potential to shake up the race at all.  If Gingrich stays in, then the status quo prevails, and Romney wins the nomination relatively easily.  But Gingrich dropping out at least has the potential to change the dynamics enough to make it interesting.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 11:27:59 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.

Nate, to is credit, actually pointed out that Romney does much more poorly in affluent suburban areas in the South and Midwest than the rest of the country.  Sean Trende really nailed this with his demographic analysis, though.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Likely Voter on March 13, 2012, 11:28:49 PM
Yeah, but finishing third in both states is an embarrassment. Two, Newt got shutout.

You might call this a tactical defeat (in that Romney didn't win any states), but it's also a serious strategic defeat.

He spent money that he didn't need to spend in states that he lost (outspent Santorum + Gingrich combined).

I've been arguing this a long time now. If you can gain by spending nothing you are best off spending nothing. What he wants, for a strategic victory, are 2 Newt wins, if he can't win the states himself.

This is a big strategic and tactical victory for Santorum. He came from behind once again to defeat both of his rivals, and demonstrated that he's the only viable alternative to Mitt Romney.

actually, no. Mitt spent money and got delegates. In fact, he actually will probably end up with more delegates than he expected. And he got a little bit bigger percent of the vote than he had in previous southern contests.

The narative going in was that Romney is weak in the south but he is the expected nominee after a long fight to the end. He had a chance to change that narrative and missed it, but Santorum didn't over-perform to an extent that put Mitt's future plan in jeopardy. In fact, Rick actually came in a bit behind the recent Nate Silver 'baseline of Romney winning and way behind the scenario where he has to be in order to stop Romney.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 13, 2012, 11:29:14 PM
It doesn't actually matter how coming in 3rd might have "embarrassed" Romney, or what the delegate count might be tonight.  That's not actually the bad news for Romney.  The bad news for Romney is that Gingrich failed to win either state, and so now there's actually a chance that he might drop out soon.  Gingrich dropping out soon is the one thing with the potential to shake up the race at all.  If Gingrich stays in, then the status quo prevails, and Romney wins the nomination relatively easily.  But Gingrich dropping out at least has the potential to change the dynamics enough to make it interesting.


Spot on - post of the night right there.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 11:31:43 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.

How do you plan on covering tonight's results for The Mensa Times?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2012, 11:32:57 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.

Yes, we realize you don't write for them. You also don't accurately predict what outlets will write since no where in that headline is Romney's name even mentioned.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 11:38:37 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.

How do you plan on covering tonight's results for The Mensa Times?

No, they write about me.

This will be spun as a Gingrich loss more so than a Romney loss, if Romney gets a plurality of the delegates for the day.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: greenforest32 on March 13, 2012, 11:38:51 PM
http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results

Quote
Mississippi - 98.8% reporting (1866/1889)
Santorum - 92,843 (32.9%)
Gingrich - 88,333 (31.3%)
Romney - 85,579 (30.3%)
Paul - 12,456 (4.4%)
   
Alabama - 96.7% reporting (2065/2136)
Santorum - 204,333 (34.5%)
Gingrich - 173,303 (29.3%)
Romney - 171,261 (29.0%)
Paul - 29,432 (5.0%)

:D

Attention Newt: drop out and endorse Santorum


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 11:40:47 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.

How do you plan on covering tonight's results for The Mensa Times?

No, they write about me.

...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 13, 2012, 11:43:37 PM
Wow, I was eating out with friends and missed all the excitement. Congratulations, Phil.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 13, 2012, 11:43:44 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.

Nate, to is credit, actually pointed out that Romney does much more poorly in affluent suburban areas in the South and Midwest than the rest of the country.  Sean Trende really nailed this with his demographic analysis, though.

OK, but why did Mittens do much better with the upper middle class in Georgia and SC?  I don't think the 3 cornered (for some reason Nate didn't get out west with this) regionalism factor in Nate's model explains it all. Unless the upper middle class is unusually Evangelical in AL and MS. Did Nate touch on that?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 11:45:59 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.

Nate, to is credit, actually pointed out that Romney does much more poorly in affluent suburban areas in the South and Midwest than the rest of the country.  Sean Trende really nailed this with his demographic analysis, though.

OK, but why did Mittens do much better with the upper middle class in Georgia and SC?  I don't think the 3 cornered (for some reason Nate didn't get out west with this) regionalism factor in Nate's model explains it all. Unless the upper middle class is unusually Evangelical in AL and MS. Did Nate touch on that?

I haven't seen anyone write on that.  I don't think any people expected Romney's lackluster performance in places like DeSoto County, MS.  It's a fascinating phenomenon that I wish I knew more about (the religiosity thing I mentioned is only my pet hypothesis.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 13, 2012, 11:47:07 PM
I can't speak for Mississippi but the upper middle class is in fact unusually evangelical in Alabama, at least in the area around Birmingham with which I'm familiar. They actually by some subjective measures of what I've encountered there seem somewhat more politically evangelical than poorer whites.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 13, 2012, 11:52:22 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.

So nothing at all like what you predicted. Cool.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 13, 2012, 11:53:42 PM
Well, I'm back after a while away from the computer.

1. Romney has some egg on his face tonight; outspending his opponents by a wide margin, leading in the polls, but still coming in third in both states.
2. Santorum Surge Mark III, commence!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 11:54:08 PM
I can't speak for Mississippi but the upper middle class is in fact unusually evangelical in Alabama, at least in the area around Birmingham with which I'm familiar. They actually by some subjective measures of what I've encountered there seem somewhat more politically evangelical than poorer whites.

From what little I know of it, that seems to be the case.



Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: memphis on March 13, 2012, 11:54:14 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.

Nate, to is credit, actually pointed out that Romney does much more poorly in affluent suburban areas in the South and Midwest than the rest of the country.  Sean Trende really nailed this with his demographic analysis, though.

OK, but why did Mittens do much better with the upper middle class in Georgia and SC?  I don't think the 3 cornered (for some reason Nate didn't get out west with this) regionalism factor in Nate's model explains it all. Unless the upper middle class is unusually Evangelical in AL and MS. Did Nate touch on that?

I haven't seen anyone write on that.  I don't think any people expected Romney's lackluster performance in places like DeSoto County, MS.  It's a fascinating phenomenon that I wish I knew more about (the religiosity thing I mentioned is only my pet hypothesis.)
DeSoto isn't where you find the fancy suburbs of Memphis. Those are all in Shelby County. It's much more of a Wal-Mart kind of place.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 13, 2012, 11:56:15 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.

Nate, to is credit, actually pointed out that Romney does much more poorly in affluent suburban areas in the South and Midwest than the rest of the country.  Sean Trende really nailed this with his demographic analysis, though.

OK, but why did Mittens do much better with the upper middle class in Georgia and SC?  I don't think the 3 cornered (for some reason Nate didn't get out west with this) regionalism factor in Nate's model explains it all. Unless the upper middle class is unusually Evangelical in AL and MS. Did Nate touch on that?

I haven't seen anyone write on that.  I don't think any people expected Romney's lackluster performance in places like DeSoto County, MS.  It's a fascinating phenomenon that I wish I knew more about (the religiosity thing I mentioned is only my pet hypothesis.)
DeSoto isn't where you find the fancy suburbs of Memphis. Those are all in Shelby County. It's much more of a Wal-Mart kind of place.

I believe it has the second-highest incomes in MS behind Madison County though, but maybe the Republicans there are still more downclass than Republicans living in the suburbs of counties with incomes dragged down by urban cores (like Jackson.)

What I avoid knowing about Mississippi could fill a boat.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Smash255 on March 13, 2012, 11:57:15 PM
The interesting thing about MS and Alabama, is that Mittens did quite well, where he usually blows (maybe ironically "the folks" respect more what "their leaders" are saying, mostly for Romney, because that is the culture, rather than the more sharp elbowed culture that most of us enjoy, where we tend to enjoy telling "the establishment" of our individual cohorts to just take a hike - just who the F do they think they are?), and blew where he usually rules. Demographics didn't matter much, where they have been key everywhere else. If Nate did not pick that up, he's missing something. The issue is why Mittens blew among the upper middle class, and whether that portends anything. Probably not, and the LDS thing needs to be touched upon, but it deserves more discussion than it is getting.

Nate, to is credit, actually pointed out that Romney does much more poorly in affluent suburban areas in the South and Midwest than the rest of the country.  Sean Trende really nailed this with his demographic analysis, though.

OK, but why did Mittens do much better with the upper middle class in Georgia and SC?  I don't think the 3 cornered (for some reason Nate didn't get out west with this) regionalism factor in Nate's model explains it all. Unless the upper middle class is unusually Evangelical in AL and MS. Did Nate touch on that?

Many more northern transplants in the upper middle class areas SC & GA.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on March 13, 2012, 11:57:38 PM
What strategy will Newt conceive now?  Will he attempt to gain delegates by blackmailing them?  :P


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2012, 11:58:31 PM
The lead from Reuters:

Republican Rick Santorum won a pair of crucial Deep South primaries on Tuesday, staking a claim to leadership of the party's conservative wing and dealing a severe setback to presidential rival Newt Gingrich.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-idUSTRE8230GE20120314

I don't write for Reuters either.

So nothing at all like what you predicted. Cool.

Right Lief, I was at least waiting to see what happened in HI and AS.


If it is reported like KS, they'll wake up to the headline:

Santorum Wins AL and MS; Romney Gains Delegates

It might even be:

Gingrich Loses AL & MS; Romney Gains Delegates

Oh, and they used a different typeface too.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Del Tachi on March 13, 2012, 11:59:38 PM
Does someone who knows MS/AL demographics want to explain these county maps?

In Mississippi, it appears that the voting results can be best described in terms of race.

In the areas of the state with the highest % of AA's, Romney won.
In the areas of the state with the lowest % of AA's, Santorum won.
In the areas of the state with medium % of AA's, Gingrich won.

Compare these maps:

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https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html (https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html)

They match up pretty well. 


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: cinyc on March 14, 2012, 12:00:14 AM
I haven't seen anyone write on that.  I don't think any people expected Romney's lackluster performance in places like DeSoto County, MS.  It's a fascinating phenomenon that I wish I knew more about (the religiosity thing I mentioned is only my pet hypothesis.)

Given Romney's lackluster performance in Shelby County, Tennessee, I don't understand why he was expected to win Memphis-exurban DeSoto County, Mississippi.  The Memphis area is just not into Mitt.

In Mississippi, Romney won the two big college counties, Lafayette (Ole Miss) and Oktibbeha (Mississippi State), the Jackson metro, the Biloxi-Gulfport area and the Mississippi Delta - save the Delta, all areas demographically favorable to Romney.   He is winning the urban/suburban areas and college towns.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 14, 2012, 12:02:16 AM
When is Hawaii coming up? I am really burned out on the South at the moment.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 12:05:10 AM
When is Hawaii coming up? I am really burned out on the South at the moment.

Polls close in an hour, I think.  Twitterverse reports very high turnout in Mormonland.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: memphis on March 14, 2012, 12:06:57 AM
Does someone who knows MS/AL demographics want to explain these county maps?

In Mississippi, it appears that the voting results can be best described in terms of race.

In the areas of the state with the highest % of AA's, Romney won.
In the areas of the state with the lowest % of AA's, Santorum won.
In the areas of the state with medium % of AA's, Gingrich won.

Compare these maps:

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https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html (https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html)

They match up pretty well. 
That the planter aristocracy of the Delta would identify with Romney is no big shock if you think about it. As others have pointed out, Santorum is doing well among the hillbillies.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 14, 2012, 12:07:35 AM
Well, I'm back after a while away from the computer.

1. Romney has some egg on his face tonight; outspending his opponents by a wide margin, leading in the polls, but still coming in third in both states.
2. Santorum Surge Mark III, commence!

Gingrich has more egg than Romney.  Santorum had the best night by far... not many people saw him winning both of these.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2012, 12:12:21 AM
Well, I'm back after a while away from the computer.

1. Romney has some egg on his face tonight; outspending his opponents by a wide margin, leading in the polls, but still coming in third in both states.
2. Santorum Surge Mark III, commence!

Gingrich has more egg than Romney.  Santorum had the best night by far... not many people saw him winning both of these.

A lot more.  A very bad night for Gingrich, a not unexpectedly bad night for Romney (so far), and a very good night for Santorum.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 14, 2012, 12:17:22 AM
Well, I'm back after a while away from the computer.

1. Romney has some egg on his face tonight; outspending his opponents by a wide margin, leading in the polls, but still coming in third in both states.
2. Santorum Surge Mark III, commence!

Gingrich has more egg than Romney.  Santorum had the best night by far... not many people saw him winning both of these.

A lot more.  A very bad night for Gingrich, a not unexpectedly bad night for Romney (so far), and a very good night for Santorum.

Well, we all know that Romney will do well in Hawaii and American Samoa. I wonder he'll get all of the votes of the 50 people who bother to show up in Samoa? Of course he'll get all of the delegates there.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 14, 2012, 12:19:12 AM
Does someone who knows MS/AL demographics want to explain these county maps?

In Mississippi, it appears that the voting results can be best described in terms of race.

In the areas of the state with the highest % of AA's, Romney won.
In the areas of the state with the lowest % of AA's, Santorum won.
In the areas of the state with medium % of AA's, Gingrich won.

Compare these maps:

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https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html (https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html)

They match up pretty well.  

Interesting map. Very interesting. That Delta blue on the Mississippi plain, where cotton is king, still, even though it is gone most places now, may have more to do with the respect for authority thing perhaps. It's still kind of feudal down there. Folks depend economically on a few key players. Just a wild thought.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 12:26:23 AM
Quote
Mitt spent money and got delegates. In fact, he actually will probably end up with more delegates than he expected. And he got a little bit bigger percent of the vote than he had in previous southern contests.

But still not enough to come away with even second place in either state. 

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The narative going in was that Romney is weak in the south

And the narrative coming out is that he is still weak in the south. He's been shut out and is unlikely to win any southern state.   

Quote
He had a chance to change that narrative and missed it, but Santorum didn't over-perform to an extent that put Mitt's future plan in jeopardy.

No, but Santorum wasn't running at Mitt.

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In fact, Rick actually came in a bit behind the recent Nate Silver 'baseline of Romney winning and way behind the scenario where he has to be in order to stop Romney.

But he did what he had to do, which was defeat Newt and force him out of the race, and out of relevancy. Now every Newt supporter knows that unless they want to throw delegates to Romney, they have to get behind Santorum.

Santorum wasn't fighting Mitt - he was trying to KO Newt, which he did.

Mitt's best option here, was to spend nothing, spend all his time elsewhere, and drop cash to Gingrich to help him take both states. If you are winning because of divided opposition - your best bet is to keep the opposition from coming together.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2012, 12:28:39 AM
Well, I'm back after a while away from the computer.

1. Romney has some egg on his face tonight; outspending his opponents by a wide margin, leading in the polls, but still coming in third in both states.
2. Santorum Surge Mark III, commence!

Gingrich has more egg than Romney.  Santorum had the best night by far... not many people saw him winning both of these.

A lot more.  A very bad night for Gingrich, a not unexpectedly bad night for Romney (so far), and a very good night for Santorum.

Well, we all know that Romney will do well in Hawaii and American Samoa. I wonder he'll get all of the votes of the 50 people who bother to show up in Samoa? Of course he'll get all of the delegates there.

AS probably, but HI is proportional, which could cut into his totals.  That will shape the story.

The press could end up focusing on the delegates.  A Romney plurality changes the story.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Torie on March 14, 2012, 12:36:50 AM
Well, I'm back after a while away from the computer.

1. Romney has some egg on his face tonight; outspending his opponents by a wide margin, leading in the polls, but still coming in third in both states.
2. Santorum Surge Mark III, commence!

Gingrich has more egg than Romney.  Santorum had the best night by far... not many people saw him winning both of these.

A lot more.  A very bad night for Gingrich, a not unexpectedly bad night for Romney (so far), and a very good night for Santorum.

Well, we all know that Romney will do well in Hawaii and American Samoa. I wonder he'll get all of the votes of the 50 people who bother to show up in Samoa? Of course he'll get all of the delegates there.

AS probably, but HI is proportional, which could cut into his totals.  That will shape the story.

The press could end up focusing on the delegates.  A Romney plurality changes the story.
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No the story is about Newt getting out. But I have faith in Newt. I have faith in the narcissist. He thinks he will ride gas prices to being a big player at the convention. I doubt that he is psychotic enough to really believe he will win the nomination. The establishment know what a disaster it would be to nominate Newt. That is their absolute worst nightmare, worse than all the other ones.

In a word 75-100 delegates may be the difference between something rather clean, versus something that will be more of a mess, and possibly a bit more than that, if Romney erodes a bit more.

I assume nobody here thinks anyone but Romney can get a majority of the delegates on their own (including a Newt/Rick). If they do, I guess that is just something to endue.  


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Eraserhead on March 14, 2012, 12:41:34 AM
I knew Romney couldn't win either of these states and correctly predicted that the exit polls were overestimating his support at my primary party tonight. I was wrong about the candidate who would win them though.

Congrats to Santorum. He is the true ABR candidate now. Period. End of story.

As an ironic Newt fan, it's hard for me to say this, but it's really time for him to go. If he can't win MS and AL, where the hell else is he going to win? Game over, dude.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 12:42:59 AM
He could win the moon.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 12:51:07 AM
Shockingly, Romney won American Samoa. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/03/13/world/AP-US-American-Samoa-Caucus.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/03/13/world/AP-US-American-Samoa-Caucus.html?_r=1)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 12:54:18 AM
Wow. Approximately 8 actual voters per delegate. What a goddamn joke.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:00:51 AM
That's only 1,641 times as many voters per delegate in Alabama (12,766) as American Samoa (8) --  Seems proportionate to me.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 01:05:52 AM
Hawaii closing now? I stayed up this late for Hawaii, it better not take forever to report D:


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:07:54 AM
Hawaii GOP: if you were already in line at poll close you will be allowed to vote after 8pm close #808caucus

sigh


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Eraserhead on March 14, 2012, 01:10:07 AM
Forget Hawaii. Santorum already won the narrative tonight.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:13:01 AM
the question on everyone's mind: Will Mitt Romney get that 808 bump?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 01:14:29 AM
the question on everyone's mind: Will Mitt Romney get that 808 bump?

Or, can Ron Paul finally win somewhere?

(No.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:20:46 AM
the question on everyone's mind: Will Mitt Romney get that 808 bump?

Or, can Ron Paul finally win somewhere?

(No.)

No, I expect Mitt Romney's 808 bump will make Ron Paul put his hands up, make Ron Paul put his hands up, make Ron Paul put his hands up.

Y'know, in resignation.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:28:10 AM
Danny de Gracia II ‏ @DannysKorner  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
Counting has begun. #hawaii #808caucus #GOP

And if you can't trust Danny de Gracia, II, who can you trust?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: izixs on March 14, 2012, 01:32:22 AM
Hawaii results are popping in. Looking like Mittens vs Ronvolution right now.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 01:34:44 AM
Santorum winning Oahu at the moment with Paul winning the Big Island. lol


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:35:12 AM
Results starting to come in.  With 2% reporting:

Romney 31%
Paul 29%
Santorum 24%
Gingrich 16%


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:36:53 AM
Maui is ostensibly 38% in, and is:

Romney 41
Paul 26
Gingtorum 14x2

With 4% reporting, now Romney 32%, Santorum 28%, Paul 23%, Gingrich 17%


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 01:37:53 AM
Oh. Well if Romney is going to win then at least get above 50% so my prediction is correct plz.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:38:01 AM
Maui now 50% and slight tightening.  I'm sure Mormonia on Oahu will come in big for Romney, but this will be his worst island jurisdiction (lol.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 14, 2012, 01:38:26 AM
Wow. Approximately 8 actual voters per delegate. What a goddamn joke.

AS or HI?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:39:15 AM

American Samoa.  To get that low of a ratio in an actual state, you'd have to hold the caucus in a secret underground bunker.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:42:58 AM
So apparently the Hawaii GOP is reporting results by precinct by putting slips on paper up on windows for people to read

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High-tech!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 14, 2012, 01:44:00 AM

American Samoa.  To get that low of a ratio in an actual state, you'd have to hold the caucus in a secret underground bunker.

Don't give the Maine GOP any ideas.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:44:17 AM
Also, I am like 85% sure that the "Hawaii GOP Command Center" is a high school cafeteria and kitchen:

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Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 01:45:04 AM
LOLJJ

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Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 01:45:57 AM
LOLOLOL at each of the last four posts in this thread.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 14, 2012, 01:46:42 AM
CNN and the AP have the same vote totals. But CNN says only 4% is in while the AP says 16% in. Oh caucuses.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 01:47:39 AM
Guys I think the turnout here might end up being lower than in Maine... ()


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 01:47:54 AM
CNN and the AP have the same vote totals. But CNN says only 4% is in while the AP says 16% in. Oh caucuses.

CNN uses estimated vote percentage whereas AP used percentage of precincts reported.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: tpfkaw on March 14, 2012, 01:49:14 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/michaelbd/status/179754475764977665 (https://twitter.com/#!/michaelbd/status/179754475764977665)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 01:49:56 AM
https://twitter.com/#!/michaelbd/status/179754475764977665

hahahah awesome


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:50:45 AM
6% reporting

Romney 34%
Santorum 28%
Paul 22%
Gingrich 16%

All counties are now voting Romney (except non-reporting Kauai and possibly the invisible one)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:51:51 AM
My educated guess is that larger caucus sites are probably better for Romney, so I expect our hopes and dreams to be crushed.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 01:52:18 AM
:(


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 14, 2012, 01:53:24 AM
The invisible county? Excuse me?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:54:48 AM

Kalawao County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalawao_County,_Hawaii)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on March 14, 2012, 01:56:36 AM
So apparently the Hawaii GOP is reporting results by precinct by putting slips on paper up on windows for people to read

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High-tech!

That might be the most legit thing I've ever seen!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 01:56:56 AM
F[inks], I hope we don't have to wait for the results of the leper caucus to be brought to the Command Center by mule. :(


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
I am ready to call the Hawaii Republican caucuses for Ron Paul.

Because I need to go and buy cat litter before the store closes.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 14, 2012, 01:58:25 AM

Kalawao County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalawao_County,_Hawaii)

Huh, interesting.

I feel they should have 9 delegates.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:00:18 AM
Wow, Santorum doing well here.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:01:18 AM

Kalawao County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalawao_County,_Hawaii)

Huh, interesting.

I feel they should have 9 delegates.

I am not sure the lepers have a bar and grill to caucus in.  Which, when you think about, is one of the greatest failures of this administration.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:02:36 AM

Kalawao County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalawao_County,_Hawaii)

Huh, interesting.

I feel they should have 9 delegates.

I am not sure the lepers have a bar and grill to caucus in.  Which, when you think about, is one of the greatest failures of this administration.

No caucus was held in Kalawao County, which will surely be a blow to Paul's chances in the state.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:03:54 AM
9% reporting

Romney 32% (-2)
Santorum 26% (-2)
Paul 25% (+3)
Gingrich 16% (nc)

MEANWHILE IN THE HAWAII REPUBLICAN PARTY

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Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:07:53 AM
Wow, why is Santorum so strong here?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 14, 2012, 02:09:01 AM
I'm pretty sure they could've exit polled every voter in this caucus and we'd already have our results.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ottermax on March 14, 2012, 02:09:58 AM
Paul pulled a strong showing in Kamuela... but that's a weird place, Hawaiian "cowboy country," so who know if that result means anything:

Paul - 59
Romney - 42
Gingrich - 20
Santorum - 16


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:11:03 AM
Wow, why is Santorum so strong here?

My guess: Mormonia hasn't reported yet, so instead we're getting Random Weird Hawaii Republicans right now.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 02:11:39 AM
HAWAIIAN GODS BLESS YOU, DANNY DE GRACIA


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:12:18 AM
So because the Republican delegate process is nonsensical and designed by idiots, the magic number for Romney is 33.3333(etc)% in the congressional districts. If he gets more than a third of the vote, he gets 2 out of 3 delegates in the CD, otherwise only 1 out of 3. So HI-01 is probably Romney 2, Santorum 1 at the moment and HI-02 is R 1, S 1, P 1.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 02:15:00 AM
If anyone doesn't know, results by CD are here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/HI_Page_0313_VD.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2012/by_cd/HI_Page_0313_VD.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: redcommander on March 14, 2012, 02:15:34 AM
Why is this taking so long? Alaska was even faster to report than this.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:15:49 AM
13% reporting

Romney 33% (+1)
Santorum 28% (+2)
Paul 23% (-2)
Gingrich 16% (nc)

Santorum now again leads Oahu (17% reporting, probably none of Mormonia)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:17:03 AM
As beloved Hawaiian political scientist Danny de Gracia explains in this fascinating Washington Times editorial (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/making-waves-hawaii-perspective-washington-politic/2012/mar/7/ron-pauls-moment-sun-how-win-upcoming-hawaii-gop-c/), Hawaiians revere elders (or kupuna), so if Ron Paul does poorly here it will be a profound disappointment.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:18:44 AM
Romney isn't going to top 40 percent here.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:19:12 AM
Romney isn't going to top 40 percent here.

Again, no hints of Mormonia yet.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 02:20:03 AM
As beloved Hawaiian political scientist Danny de Gracia explains in this fascinating Washington Times editorial (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/making-waves-hawaii-perspective-washington-politic/2012/mar/7/ron-pauls-moment-sun-how-win-upcoming-hawaii-gop-c/), Hawaiians revere elders (or kupuna), so if Ron Paul does poorly here it will be a profound disappointment.

Oh wow, he's also an ordained minister!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:20:17 AM
Current delegate estimate is:

Romney: 7
Santorum: 6
Paul: 4
Gingrich: 0


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ottermax on March 14, 2012, 02:20:42 AM
Romney isn't going to top 40 percent here.

Again, no hints of Mormonia yet.

The main location of Mormons in Hawaii is Laie in NE Oahu, in CD 2.

Therefore I expect Romney to pass the 33% mark in CD 2, and he already has in CD 1.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:22:18 AM
Santorum up in Oahu.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:22:30 AM
So Paul will probably only get 3 delegates. If only he had spent 48 hours in the islands meeting with and gaining the favor of local tribal chieftains, as Danny de Gracia suggested.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 02:23:06 AM
Romney isn't going to top 40 percent here.

Again, no hints of Mormonia yet.

The main location of Mormons in Hawaii is Laie in NE Oahu, in CD 2.

Therefore I expect Romney to pass the 33% mark in CD 2, and he already has in CD 1.

Santorum's leading in CD 1


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Meeker on March 14, 2012, 02:23:26 AM
I think it would've been good for Paul to go to Hawaii. He probably could've meet about half of the voters in a morning and then spent the afternoon lying on the beach. The fresh air would've been good for his lungs, ya know?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:23:41 AM
If Santorum splits Hawaii, that would be a nice cap to a great day for him.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 02:24:44 AM
So Paul will probably only get 3 delegates. If only he had spent 48 hours in the islands meeting with and gaining the favor of local tribal chieftains, as Danny de Gracia suggested.

Don't forget personally signwaving on the streets.

edit: and it's THE REVEREND Danny de Gracia :(


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:26:06 AM
17% reporting

Romney 31% (-2)
Santorum 28% (nc)
Paul 26% (+3)
Gingrich 15% (-1)

Still waiting on Mormonia.  (Man, I'm going to look like an ass in the unlikely event that doesn't happen.)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:26:31 AM
If these results hold

Santorum: 3 + 4 = 7
Romney: 2 + 4 = 6
Paul: 1 + 3 = 4
Gingrich: 0

I hope these results hold if only so that I can laugh at Torie/JJ.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:27:17 AM
17 in, 31 Romney 28 Santorum 26 Paul 15 Grinch.

Romney's capped at 38 now, Grich voters are going to be relevant in Hawaii.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 02:27:26 AM
Paul only 8 votes back in CD-2


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 02:27:48 AM
17% reporting

Romney 31% (-2)
Santorum 28% (nc)
Paul 26% (+3)
Gingrich 15% (-1)

Still waiting on Mormonia.  (Man, I'm going to look like an ass in the unlikely event that doesn't happen.)

Rev. Danny de Gracia promised us that the Mormons were lined up for miles to caucus, Alcon. Why would you doubt him!?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:29:15 AM
Ha, every candidate could own an Island, if Paul can take the big Island.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:29:21 AM
Danny de Gracia II ‏ @DannysKorner  Reply  Retweet  Favorite · Open
None of the big precincts have come in yet so hang on to your butts #808caucus #Hawaii #GOP

Guys, Danny de Gracia says hold on to your butts!!!  The Mormons are coming guys!!


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 02:29:24 AM
Danny de Gracia II  ‏  @DannysKorner

None of the big precincts have come in yet so hang on to your butts #808caucus #Hawaii #GOP


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:29:59 AM
I'm declaring victory for ABR in Hawaii.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RI on March 14, 2012, 02:30:26 AM
Nothing from Kauai either. :(


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:31:15 AM
Maybe Kauai is for the Grinch.

That way everyone can have an island.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:31:47 AM
24% reporting

Romney 31% (nc)
Santorum 28% (nc)
Paul 26% (nc)
Gingrich 15% (nc)

INTENSE.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 14, 2012, 02:32:03 AM
Oh sure, Santorum had surprising wins in MS and AL and is doing much better than expected in HI, but a few dozen people at some restaurant in the American Samoa didn't like him one bit.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:32:52 AM
24, Santorum holding.

Romney capped at 35 now.

Looks like Romney's going to be held to single digits.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:33:18 AM
Ron Paul is 4 votes behind Mitt Romney in both Maui (88% in) and Hawaii (45% in) counties


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:33:53 AM
IF ONLY THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS HAD WAVED MORE SIGNS


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 02:34:07 AM
24, Santorum holding.

Romney capped at 35 now.

Looks like Romney's going to be held to single digits.

dude, I'm legitimately serious about Mormonia likely being in the higher-turnout, late-reporting precincts.  The most Republican precincts in Hawaii (McCain won a whole 2) are Mormon.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:34:26 AM
SRSLY?

Mitt could be shut out of a county win in Hawaii?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 02:35:11 AM
It's kind of possible that Romney could win Hawaii while losing all the counties and congressional districts.

Of course Alcon's mythical Mormonia is going to ruin all of this, but still.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bacon King on March 14, 2012, 02:35:28 AM
Oh sure, Santorum had surprising wins in MS and AL and is doing much better than expected in HI, but a few dozen people at some restaurant in the American Samoa didn't like him one bit.

To be fair, when you count the superdelegates among them, those dudes at the Samoan restaurant have almost as much say at the convention as the entire state of New Hampshire.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 02:35:48 AM
Quote
dude, I'm legitimately serious about Mormonia likely being in the higher-turnout, late-reporting precincts.  The most Republican precincts in Hawaii (McCain won a whole 2) are Mormon.

Max caps should still hold. I don't think Romney's gonna break 35 here.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: redcommander on March 14, 2012, 02:36:06 AM
24, Santorum holding.

Romney capped at 35 now.

Looks like Romney's going to be held to single digits.

A win's a win. It doesn't matter what margin. It's not going change anything. Romney's the nominee all but officially.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 03:20:26 AM
Way to be down, Atlas.

Up to 70% reporting, with Santorum trailing Romney, 35%-29%

New developments:

* Oahu got a little more Romney, but either Mormonia is taking its time or Romney is underperforming

* Tragically, Paul lost Maui by 9 votes

* However, with 82% in, Paul leads Romney 33%-28% on the big island!

* No one cares about Kauai


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 03:21:10 AM
Quote
A win's a win. It doesn't matter what margin. It's not going change anything. Romney's the nominee all but officially.

Right. Got his butt whooped tonight.

Calling HI for Romney.

35-29 should be the end call.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 03:23:03 AM
I wouldn't call it quite yet, although I'd give like 90% odds of a Romney win.  Fairly big variance in the different results reports so far.

However, unless he really pulls away in later reports, this is going to be a mildly embarrassing vote for Romney -- perhaps because Hawaii started voting after Alabama and Mississippi were called.  A win is a win, but this is a fairly anemic win.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 03:25:13 AM
Atlas Forum crashes at the most inconvenient times*.

*4 am.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 03:26:26 AM
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However, unless he really pulls away in later reports, this is going to be a mildly embarrassing vote for Romney -- perhaps because Hawaii started voting after Alabama and Mississippi were called.

It was supposed to be a blowout.

Finally, Mormonia in, there we go.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 03:26:38 AM
Told you about Mormonia.

91% reporting

Romney 46%
Santorum 25%
Paul 18%
Gingrich 11%

Oahu is now over 2-to-1 Romney.

Time to turn the lights off.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 03:27:45 AM
As expected. Oh well.

Night all.

No mandate for Romney in Hawaii.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: argentarius on March 14, 2012, 03:27:51 AM
Paul's gone under 20%. Does that mean anything with regards to threshold? He's doing very badly in Honolulu. Without that he could be winning.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 14, 2012, 03:30:21 AM
Romney gets 46%, still pretty bad for him for a state where the Republicans are relatively moderate, there are hardly any Christians, and around 20% of the Christians are Mormons.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 03:30:22 AM
It says 99% reporting but there are likely more results outstanding -- the vote total just hit CNN's estimated turnout, which was evidently too low.

CNN just called it for Romney (brave call)

Could still be >50% Romney.  It's mandate enough, not that the media will actually care -- a non-close win is a win.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 03:32:25 AM
Hawaii doesn't have a threshold, so he should still get some delegates. AP hasn't updated CD numbers in a while, but the statewide delegates currently break down:

Romney: 6
Santorum: 3
Paul: 2

However, a small shift to Paul would result in 5-3-3, so we'll see what happens.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: argentarius on March 14, 2012, 03:33:54 AM
How much of a shift are we talking about? I think he should do very well in Kauai and Hawaii counties 5 remaining precincts.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ottermax on March 14, 2012, 03:35:23 AM
Can a caucus be determined by one precinct?

The District 46/47 precinct caucus (don't ask me why Hawaii has such large precincts...) results:
Gingrich - 9
Paul - 44
Romney - 1027
Santorum - 28

This district is of course home to BYU-Hawaii...


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 14, 2012, 03:35:28 AM

He won, and hence he has a "mandate".


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 03:35:40 AM
Does Hawaii really have few Christians?  I just thought it had very few evangelicals.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: redcommander on March 14, 2012, 03:38:00 AM
Seriously? He creamed Santorum by 20% points. I don't know why some of you aren't thinking that's a pretty solid mandate considering we have a four man race. BTW, Santorum didn't exactly win a blowout in the South, so I don't know why certain people think this is a game changer.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Alcon on March 14, 2012, 03:39:18 AM
Current Hawaii caucus results without Mormonia:

Romney 2,203 (36%)
Santorum 1,814 (30%)
Paul 1,279 (21%)
Gingrich 789 (13%)

Early Kauai results are a Paulslide.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 03:39:49 AM
Quote
He won, and hence he has a "mandate".

ABR wins Hawaii, yet another state for ABR.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on March 14, 2012, 03:40:05 AM
so now Ron Paul is winning 2 of 4 counties while not reaching 20%


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 14, 2012, 03:41:28 AM
Seriously? He creamed Santorum by over 20% points. I don't know why some of you aren't thinking that's a pretty solid mandate considering we have a four man race.

Presumably he thinks that Lincoln, Wilson, Truman, Kennedy, Nixon, etc didn't have mandates either.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 03:42:15 AM
Statewide: R5-6, S3, P2-3
CD1: R2, S1
CD2: R2, S0-1, P0-1

Best case Romney scenario is 10 delegates, worst case is 9. Santorum should get either 4 or 5 and Paul should get between 2 and 4.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 03:43:40 AM
Quote
Presumably he thinks that Lincoln, Wilson, Truman, Kennedy, Nixon, etc didn't have mandates either.

Mandate > 50.

9-5-4 on delegates? That's a victory for Santorum and Paul, if they nullify Romney in HI.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 14, 2012, 03:48:02 AM
So Ron Paul nearly won every county that didn't have the oldest Mormon temple in the world outside of Utah.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 03:56:16 AM
Current delegate totals with 38 precincts reporting:

Romney: 9
Santorum: 5
Paul: 3


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 14, 2012, 03:57:22 AM
Great 'victory' Mitt.

He did better in Mississippi and Alabama than he did in Hawaii outside of Honolulu.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: RBH on March 14, 2012, 04:30:29 AM
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Mitt
Mentum


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: argentarius on March 14, 2012, 05:04:12 AM
18.3, is that enough for 3 Paul delegates?


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Lief 🗽 on March 14, 2012, 05:12:12 AM
Final delegate totals should be, depending on who gets second in CD2 (currently it's Rick):

R 9
S 5 (or 4)
P 3 (or 4)

Romney just misses a 6th statewide delegate, to the benefit of Paul.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on March 14, 2012, 07:35:56 AM
Are results available for the MS Dem primary? Uncommitted won enough in Alabama to get delegates, I was curious the same happened in Mississippi.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: J. J. on March 14, 2012, 07:55:56 AM
Santorum is the ABR candidate.

Romney, surprisingly, gets a plurality of 6 delegates over Santorum

Now, will there be a projection for MO?  That could be a win for Santorum.

PR seems solid for Romney, but there is a chance of a Santorum victory.

Then there is IL. 

To break through, Santorum has to win one, in terms of delegates.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: muon2 on March 14, 2012, 07:59:21 AM
Santorum is the ABR candidate.

Romney, surprisingly, gets a plurality of 6 delegates over Santorum

Now, will there be a projection for MO?  That could be a win for Santorum.

PR seems solid for Romney, but there is a chance of a Santorum victory.

Then there is IL.

To break through, Santorum has to win one, in terms of delegates.

See you next week. :)


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Miles on March 14, 2012, 10:29:59 AM
I tried to calculate the results for MS-04. It pretty much comes down to the precincts in Clarke county. Excluding all of Clarke from the results, its Gingrich by 37 votes. Including all if Clarke, it Santorum wins the district by 7 votes.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 14, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
The two Deep South maps are pretty funny in an utterly predictable way.


Title: Re: March 13 Results
Post by: Eraserhead on March 14, 2012, 11:36:24 PM
I guess there are still a few Dixiecrats left in Alabama. "Uncommitted" conjures up 19% against Obama.