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Title: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 17, 2012, 03:39:53 AM
The more you know! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083002/Mitt-Romney-19-demonstrated-favour-Vietnam-War-draft.html)

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Fortunately for him, his status as a Mormon missionary kept him from the draft.  So instead of volunteering and putting on the uniform himself, he spent his days demonstrating for others to do so under government coercion.

Remind me again why we consider this piece of trash "moderate"?


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 17, 2012, 04:04:29 AM
Put this picture in Webster's under the word "chickenhawk"


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Bacon King on March 17, 2012, 04:27:36 AM
LOL young romney looked like such a tool.

And also a hypocrite.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Mr. Morden on March 17, 2012, 04:46:36 AM
Will this be the last presidential election in which we re-litigate the Vietnam War?  It's been an issue ever since GHW Bush picked Dan Quayle as his running mate in 1988.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Bacon King on March 17, 2012, 05:04:18 AM
Will this be the last presidential election in which we re-litigate the Vietnam War?  It's been an issue ever since GHW Bush picked Dan Quayle as his running mate in 1988.


Not if Biden ends up running in 2016. IIRC, once his student deferments ran out, he ended up being reclassified as unfit for the draft because he had asthma as a kid.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Teemu on March 17, 2012, 05:47:20 AM
Let's say Code Pink decides to have a sit-in protest on my home street. I go to protest against Code Pink blocking our street with my neighbors. Am I now a pro-war protester? No,  I'm protesting against the disruption caused by a sit-in protest, a form of demonstration that is meant to block access to some place as a form of demonstration.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on March 17, 2012, 08:05:52 AM
While in France, he also got into a fight with a couple Frenchies who opposed the Vietnam War. I alwasy found it ironic that his Dad ended up being the anti-war candidate, but the real irony is that while in France, he was ineligible for the draft.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: They put it to a vote and they just kept lying on March 17, 2012, 08:10:38 AM
More reasons to hate Romney, great!


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Hash on March 17, 2012, 09:57:11 AM
So, he's always been a tool and an idiot? Cool to know.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Yank2133 on March 17, 2012, 10:48:45 AM
Romney is a hypocrite, you don't say.......


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 17, 2012, 10:58:13 AM
You guys are disguisting.

Mitt Romney actually did serve his country while out of Vietnam, because he knew that one day, he'll display his greatness in politics.

Sending him to Vietnam would be like risking the life of Jesus himself.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on March 17, 2012, 11:04:38 AM
Ha what a f**king tool.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Zioneer on March 17, 2012, 11:33:13 AM
Romney is a bit of a tool, yeah. Wasn't he demonstrating while his father was arguing against the Vietnam War?


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 17, 2012, 12:03:50 PM
Word is that Mitt was brainwashed into demonstrating in favor of the draft.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 17, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Let's say Code Pink decides to have a sit-in protest on my home street. I go to protest against Code Pink blocking our street with my neighbors. Am I now a pro-war protester? No,  I'm protesting against the disruption caused by a sit-in protest, a form of demonstration that is meant to block access to some place as a form of demonstration.

So a bunch of people are going to have demonstrations for not an actual political cause, but against the methods of which other protestors use to carry out their message?  Okay.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: King on March 17, 2012, 12:29:32 PM
He was for the Vietnam War before he was against it.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 17, 2012, 12:59:16 PM
Bizarre. Not that I'm entirely sure how relevant someone's teenage political activities (if any) are to whatever they get up to when older; though by 'not sure' I'm not dismissing all relevance at all...


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Likely Voter on March 17, 2012, 01:13:03 PM
This reminds me of when in 2007 Romney, while supporting the war in Iraq in his campaign for president, he explained why none of his sons were in the military, saying: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

I do think there is an interesting contrast here between Obama's protesting at Harvard and Romney's protesting at Stanford. Obama supported a professor who was fighting the school administration (for more diversity), while Romney was protesting in support of his school's administration (who were clamping down on anti-war protesters).

One was fighting the system for change, the other for the establishment and the status quo.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on March 17, 2012, 02:16:04 PM
Well, it's easy to be for the draft when you're exempt. All males are supposed to be missionaries in the Mormon religion, although at the time they were supremely racist, and didn't allow non-whites to be missionaries until 1978.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Mr. Taft Republican on March 17, 2012, 02:59:21 PM
At least Romney stood for something at some point, he stood against sitting down.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: ZuWo on March 17, 2012, 03:22:25 PM
Mitt Romney - a severe conservative since his teenage years!


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 17, 2012, 11:16:43 PM
The silence from certain members about this is very amusing.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on March 17, 2012, 11:53:02 PM
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Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 12:02:31 AM
So he supported his country stopping communism? I don't agree with the draft but there is no reason to name call. This is the left name calling when they are panicking. Have you looked into Obama's college years where he supported professor Derrick Bell? Or are you being bias?


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 18, 2012, 12:09:39 AM
So he supported his country stopping communism? I don't agree with the draft but there is no reason to name call. This is the left name calling when they are panicking. Have you looked into Obama's college years where he supported professor Derrick Bell? Or are you being bias?

Everyone knows he honored a well-respected college dean like Derrick Bell.  Does anyone who's not Andrew Breitbart care, however?  No.  Supporting the Vietnam War is bad enough, but supporting the draft to the point of protesting in favor of it while you're out dodging it goes beyond words.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 12:12:19 AM
So he supported his country stopping communism? I don't agree with the draft but there is no reason to name call. This is the left name calling when they are panicking. Have you looked into Obama's college years where he supported professor Derrick Bell? Or are you being bias?

Everyone knows he honored a well-respected college dean like Derrick Bell.  Does anyone who's not Andrew Breitbart care, however?  No.  Supporting the Vietnam War is bad enough, but supporting the draft to the point of protesting in favor of it while you're out dodging it goes beyond words.

That's the leftist point of view but you're entitled to your opinion. Brietbart is an admirable man while Derrick Bell advocated racial differences and class warfare.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Nhoj on March 18, 2012, 10:25:45 AM
So he supported his country stopping communism? I don't agree with the draft but there is no reason to name call. This is the left name calling when they are panicking. Have you looked into Obama's college years where he supported professor Derrick Bell? Or are you being bias?
If he supported "stopping communism" so much he should have done the patriotic thing and volunteered to join the military.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 10:26:44 AM
Like Obama did?


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on March 18, 2012, 10:28:50 AM

Obama was in elementary school while Romney was protesting here.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 10:32:28 AM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on March 18, 2012, 10:58:19 AM
The silence from certain members about this is very amusing.

Microsoft WINfield crashed.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2012, 11:26:30 AM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Torie on March 18, 2012, 11:36:25 AM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.

In other news, all these fake avatars are giving me a headache!.  Of course, some around here may think mine was fake from day one. :P


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Oakvale on March 18, 2012, 11:39:50 AM
Is Jax47 that Derek idiot again?


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 12:26:51 PM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.

No I said that I'm tired of the left using military service as a way to make conservatives look hypocritical. By saying that Obama "still didn't serve" I meant ever not during Vietnam. The left in our country has been doing this ever since Bush ran in 2000.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 18, 2012, 12:58:08 PM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.

No I said that I'm tired of the left using military service as a way to make conservatives look hypocritical. By saying that Obama "still didn't serve" I meant ever not during Vietnam. The left in our country has been doing this ever since Bush ran in 2000.
Speaking as a conservative and as a veteran- I believe it is a legitimate point... neither served but for some one to advocate a nation-building war I believe it is hypocritical not to have served when able...I was sent to Vietnam by men who won world wars. Now men and women ares ent to Afghanistan by men who got five deferments...and those people approach it with an elitist perspective

What I want to say is- Mr. Romney if not you or your sons who should serve in a war you believe in? I do not belive that if you did not serve you can not support military action but those who do not serve do not understand the toll it takes...even on volunteers. This is the same as the DADT debate- I watched Saxby Chambliss- the man who compared MAX CLELAND to Hussein- give a lecture on how military life is very different from civilian life...this coming from a man who sought and was grantd multiple deferments in the late 60s...pathetic


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Likely Voter on March 18, 2012, 01:07:35 PM
I do hope someone asks Romney about this. I think it is a legit issue about why he protested in support for the draft while he sought deferments.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 18, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.

No I said that I'm tired of the left using military service as a way to make conservatives look hypocritical. By saying that Obama "still didn't serve" I meant ever not during Vietnam. The left in our country has been doing this ever since Bush ran in 2000.

You are being absolutely ridiculous.  Our point isn't merely that Romney didn't serve, it's that he didn't serve and picketed at a pro-draft rally.  If he had any decency, he would've protested at the anti-draft demonstrations instead, or at least not partaken in any demonstration at all.  I don't see how this is so difficult to understand.

It would be like one of those rich CEOs- who've benefited from not paying any taxes thanks to all the loopholes and tax cuts- going on the street and holding up a sign that says "Help your country!  Pay your taxes!".


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on March 18, 2012, 02:16:54 PM
Disagree strongly with Romney here -

If a man is unwilling to fight for his country, he should not be sent abroad.

You get a far better army from men who want to defend their country, and you'll get more recruits when it's understood that these are all you will get.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Jax27 on March 18, 2012, 02:18:09 PM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.

No I said that I'm tired of the left using military service as a way to make conservatives look hypocritical. By saying that Obama "still didn't serve" I meant ever not during Vietnam. The left in our country has been doing this ever since Bush ran in 2000.

You are being absolutely ridiculous.  Our point isn't merely that Romney didn't serve, it's that he didn't serve and picketed at a pro-draft rally.  If he had any decency, he would've protested at the anti-draft demonstrations instead, or at least not partaken in any demonstration at all.  I don't see how this is so difficult to understand.

It would be like one of those rich CEOs- who've benefited from not paying any taxes thanks to all the loopholes and tax cuts- going on the street and holding up a sign that says "Help your country!  Pay your taxes!".

So he supported the draft and didn't serve. I also disagree with him on this. It's not difficult to understand. No name calling is needed. Rich CEO's? That's language from the left. Damn those fat cats, right? How about help your country and cut taxes?


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: Badger on March 18, 2012, 02:23:50 PM
OMG. So Jax is for reals and ACTUALLY made an argument THAT stupid about Obama never having served in the military? :o

Awkward........

Btw, lovely use of obnoxious buzzwords in a post decrying same.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: King on March 18, 2012, 02:27:14 PM
Only Derek would be dumb enough to resume posting a day after reban and use the same R-FL avatar and same posting style in the next sock.


Title: Re: Romney, 19, demonstrated in favor of Vietnam War draft
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 18, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
He still never joined. I don't like using the "he never served" in order to make Republicans look like hypocrites. Kerry supporters did the same thing to Bush. There is no need to call Romney names just because you disagree with him on the draft. I disagree and I'm not calling him names. It sounds like someone has a case of class envy.

OK, "jax47", quit trolling. You had us believing you really were a hard right conservative, but then you went too far in trying to insist that Obama not enlisting for Vietnam as a grade schooler was actually comperable to romney's failure to enlist as a college student. Nice try there, but no sentient person says something THAT stupid. Nice try, joke sock. Now quit posting as a fake conservative or else.

No I said that I'm tired of the left using military service as a way to make conservatives look hypocritical. By saying that Obama "still didn't serve" I meant ever not during Vietnam. The left in our country has been doing this ever since Bush ran in 2000.

You are being absolutely ridiculous.  Our point isn't merely that Romney didn't serve, it's that he didn't serve and picketed at a pro-draft rally.  If he had any decency, he would've protested at the anti-draft demonstrations instead, or at least not partaken in any demonstration at all.  I don't see how this is so difficult to understand.

It would be like one of those rich CEOs- who've benefited from not paying any taxes thanks to all the loopholes and tax cuts- going on the street and holding up a sign that says "Help your country!  Pay your taxes!".

So he supported the draft and didn't serve. I also disagree with him on this. It's not difficult to understand. No name calling is needed. Rich CEO's? That's language from the left. Damn those fat cats, right? How about help your country and cut taxes?

All right, okay.  I got it.  You were trolling all along.  Have your laugh, now.