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Title: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: CaDan on March 26, 2012, 12:02:57 PM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_arizona-iced-tea-suv-unarmed-black-teenager



Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Insula Dei on March 26, 2012, 12:08:11 PM
Wait, wasn't Cadan banned?


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on March 26, 2012, 12:08:52 PM


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 26, 2012, 12:31:29 PM
Don't the facts matter in this case?

There seems to be a rush to judgment against Zimmerman. Some have suggested that he must be guilty because he had a gun in his pocket and "Trayvon" [we don't call him "George"] was not carrying a weapon. This assumes "Trayvon" knew "George" had a gun in his pocket when, as alleged by the police, and confirmed by the fact of "George's" broken nose, struck "George" and began beating him. If "Trayvon" didn't knew of the gun, he just might have made a fatal mistake.

Some have suggested that this incident was a "stand your ground" law run amok. The facts seem to indicate that "Trayvon" was the one whom stood his ground rather than meekly retreating when confronted by a person on a neighborhood watch.

The Black Panther Party is offering, in their words, a $10,000 dollar bounty for "George." Allegedly, this is for the "capture" of "George," but, since there are no warrants from his arrest it is for the kidnapping of "George." This assumes the "bounty" is not for the murder of "George." In either case, why isn't the Black Panther Party being investigated as a potential "hate crime" by the feds for advocating the kidnapping/murder of a man whom is not Black?


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Oakvale on March 26, 2012, 12:33:02 PM


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: DrScholl on March 26, 2012, 12:39:48 PM
This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 26, 2012, 12:41:23 PM


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Torie on March 26, 2012, 12:42:52 PM
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This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.

For what? Daring to express a different view?

There was a rumor that you had been banned. If so, socks are frowned upon. If not, well fine, carry on, but your signature offends me I must say.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 26, 2012, 12:43:23 PM
This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.

Why is posting an article attempting to expand upon the facts in this case a reason for banning anyone?

 


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 26, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
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This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.

For what? Daring to express a different view?

There was a rumor that you had been banned. If so, socks are frowned upon. If not, well fine, carry on, but your signature offends me I must say.

How would a "sock" have the same name, and, magically have the same number of total posts?


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Torie on March 26, 2012, 12:49:32 PM
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This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.

For what? Daring to express a different view?

There was a rumor that you had been banned. If so, socks are frowned upon. If not, well fine, carry on, but your signature offends me I must say.

How would a "sock" have the same name, and, magically have the same number of total posts?

Don't have a clue. That is beyond my skill set. We will find out one way or the other in due course, so there is no point arguing about it. And I really don't know CaDan (be it this one or the former one, or the same one). He did his thing separate and apart from where I do my thing.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: DrScholl on March 26, 2012, 12:54:48 PM

Why is posting an article attempting to expand upon the facts in this case a reason for banning anyone?
 

He's trolled the boards for awhile now. He already had one thread about this subject locked. Others posters can confirm that.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Brittain33 on March 26, 2012, 12:55:37 PM

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Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 26, 2012, 12:57:36 PM
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This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.

For what? Daring to express a different view?

There was a rumor that you had been banned. If so, socks are frowned upon. If not, well fine, carry on, but your signature offends me I must say.

How would a "sock" have the same name, and, magically have the same number of total posts?

Don't have a clue. That is beyond my skill set. We will find out one way or the other in due course, so there is no point arguing about it. And I really don't know CaDan (be it this one or the former one, or the same one). He did his thing separate and apart from where I do my thing.

Well, if you are going to speculate as whether, or not, "CaDan" had been "banned" then it would have behooved you to look at the evidence. "CaDan" was posting, and "CaDan" had about the exact number of posts as the previous CaDan.

Whomever started those rumors committed an injustice against the poster, and, you ought to apologize for spreading those rumors.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 26, 2012, 12:59:43 PM
Did it ever occur to anyone that jumping on a user with repeated references to "troll" other similar attacks might cause such a person to dig their heels in and post in a more abrasive manner than they otherwise would?

If such person felt like being a deliberately abrasive and completely unlikeable jackass, then yes, possibly.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Torie on March 26, 2012, 01:06:14 PM
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This person needs to be banned immediately, he is out of control.

For what? Daring to express a different view?

There was a rumor that you had been banned. If so, socks are frowned upon. If not, well fine, carry on, but your signature offends me I must say.

How would a "sock" have the same name, and, magically have the same number of total posts?

Don't have a clue. That is beyond my skill set. We will find out one way or the other in due course, so there is no point arguing about it. And I really don't know CaDan (be it this one or the former one, or the same one). He did his thing separate and apart from where I do my thing.

Well, if you are going to speculate as whether, or not, "CaDan" had been "banned" then it would have behooved you to look at the evidence. "CaDan" was posting, and "CaDan" had about the exact number of posts as the previous CaDan.

Whomever started those rumors committed an injustice against the poster, and, you ought to apologize for spreading those rumors.

My source is a highly reliable one. No, I won't apologize for spreading the rumor, because I made clear that I was not sure, and that is that. Obviously the "rumor" had wide circulation, and I was not the one who originally brought it up. So it is not as if I let some cat out of the bag. But to be honest with you, for the first time I reported this thread, inquiring as to the poster's status. And then others mentioned it publically here.

But you have a point. If it turns out he was not banned, I think I will apologize to him. Good idea. Thank you.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 26, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
He shows up as banned on the PoMo board. What's going on?


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Bacon King on March 26, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
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Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 26, 2012, 01:42:52 PM
Once again- I don't know this fella's history. If you say he has been offensive and racist I buy it even though the word racist has been overused here... but what is wrong with him presenting reports on this case?

This country has no trial by media. From everything I have read or heard- Zimmerman deserves to be arrested. I believe that fully...but what is wrong with CaDan presenting a different point of view? If he used the n-word or was otherwise offensive I'd grab my pitchfork and join the mob...but I haven't seen him that way yet- I am new here but I haven't noticed it.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on March 26, 2012, 01:46:24 PM
He shows up as banned on the PoMo board. What's going on?

a putsch


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on March 26, 2012, 01:47:37 PM
Really, Dan? Have any of us called Klecly or Ben or TJ of any of our other respected very conservative posters trolls?

It's not because you're a poor oh-so-persecuted conservative. It's because you're incapable of posting anything without making it simultaneously aggressively moronic and somehow about yourself.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: bgwah on March 26, 2012, 02:04:32 PM
How is this even controversial? I really don't understand conservatives sometimes.

Most of us aren't saying Zimmerman should be shot on the spot or found guilty without a trial. But the fact that he hasn't even been arrested is just ridiculous... What a stupid law.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 26, 2012, 02:14:18 PM
How the-?  Did CaDan hack this board or something?


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: The Mikado on March 26, 2012, 03:17:51 PM
According to Nym, he was accidentially unbanned.  The mistake has been rectified.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on March 26, 2012, 03:18:57 PM


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on March 26, 2012, 03:19:46 PM
According to Nym, he was accidentially unbanned.  The mistake has been rectified.

Oh, good.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: I'm JewCon in name only. on March 26, 2012, 03:28:57 PM
lol CaDan.



Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on March 26, 2012, 03:54:47 PM


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on March 26, 2012, 04:19:17 PM


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: Zioneer on March 26, 2012, 05:52:06 PM
Here's the thing about Zimmerman's testimony; besides the police themselves (who didn't exactly have a sterling reputation before this incident), few other people involved in the case have corroborated with what Zimmerman says is true. Most of the witnesses say that Zimmerman was in the wrong.


Title: Re: Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering him
Post by: BigSkyBob on March 26, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
How is this even controversial? I really don't understand conservatives sometimes.

Most of us aren't saying Zimmerman should be shot on the spot or found guilty without a trial. But the fact that he hasn't even been arrested is just ridiculous... What a stupid law.

In case you didn't notice, somewhere preserved in inert gas is this piece of paper called the "Constitution." In the "Constitution," are a series of "Amendments" generally called "The Bill of Rights." In those Amendments there are provisions that a person arrested is entitled to know the charges against him, and, once charged, is entitled to a "speedy trial."


Had Zimmerman been arrested, the clock would have started towards a speedy trial. Since he was not arrested, the prosecutor still has until the expiration of the statute of limitations to build a case. Generally, murder has no statute of limitation.

Incessant demands for an "arrest" so that you can have your "perp walk" might make you feel better, but, they don't further the cause of justice. Would you really want Zimmerman tried before all the evidence against him was collected, if there is such evidence to collect?