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Title: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: tmthforu94 on March 29, 2012, 09:54:05 PM Quote Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act Section 1: Uniform Standards 1. The network used for the long-range transmission of electrical power shall be controlled and operated by the Altasian Department of Energy. 2. The transmission network from the power production stage until reaching the substation is defined as a public good. No regional, state, or local government, or private company may prevent a power producer from using transmission lines. The same rate must be charged to all transmission grid users. 3. County and local governments may impose restrictions on the distribution grid within their county or local region. Section 2: Investment 1.The Department of Energy is appropriated $500 Billion over the next 20 years to implement smart grid technologies to reduce stress on the transmission grid and increase efficiency. 2. The current Eastern, Western, and Texas grid systems are to be maintained as separate transmission grids with manually-operated switching stations connecting the three grids along their borders. Sponsor: Senator TJ in Cleve Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on March 30, 2012, 03:00:43 AM Why maintain the separation of the transmission grids? Is this in the interests of containing blackouts or something? If so, would breaking up the three main grids be worthwhile to discuss?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on March 30, 2012, 05:44:04 AM My only initial objection would be the inclusion of the Department of Energy which I would propose to eliminate- but that can be fixed in a later bill to transfer its responsibilities
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 30, 2012, 01:07:49 PM $500 billion over 20 years is $25 billion per year. It is a substantial increase in the deficit and should have a dedicated revenue stream to pay for it. Any ideas?
Also, the third clause of Section 1 referring to the ability of local goverments to restrict the grid. What kind of restrictions are implied by that? Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on March 30, 2012, 01:58:50 PM $500 billion over 20 years is $25 billion per year. It is a substantial increase in the deficit and should have a dedicated revenue stream to pay for it. Any ideas? This. It would be nice if this bill could be tweaked so that it could actually bring in revenue to pay for itself, but I'm not sure how that could happen. Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: TJ in Oregon on March 31, 2012, 12:02:16 AM Why maintain the separation of the transmission grids? Is this in the interests of containing blackouts or something? If so, would breaking up the three main grids be worthwhile to discuss? That's the reason exactly. Having a direct connection without manual switching would increase the chances of a power surge causing a rolling blackout or damaging transmission lines. Breaking them up further is an interesting idea and in a more perfect world I would like to see many smaller transmission grids connected by manual switching but this bill is plenty expensive enough without re-inventing the wheel. Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: TJ in Oregon on March 31, 2012, 12:08:06 AM Also, the third clause of Section 1 referring to the ability of local goverments to restrict the grid. What kind of restrictions are implied by that? This is referring to the distribution grid, which is different from the transmission grid. The transmission grid is the large apparatus that runs from power production to local transmission stations and the distribution grid runs from those stations to the consumer. The reason why I included this provision is limit the nationalization to only the transmission grid (only the part that crosses regional lines and effects the mass delivery across the nation). Local governments could charge fees, contract private owners, buy power collectively, etc. and I want to make sure such a bill will not prevent them from doing so. Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 02, 2012, 04:23:17 PM How some kind of fee paid by the utility companies for use of the lines?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: TJ in Oregon on April 02, 2012, 08:08:59 PM To address cost concerns, I'd like to add a provision in the bill to charge utility companies to use the grid. The tax should cover the cost of the investment based on a 3884 billion kW-h annual electricity consumption.
Quote Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act Section 1: Uniform Standards 1. The network used for the long-range transmission of electrical power shall be controlled and operated by the Altasian Department of Energy. 2. The transmission network from the power production stage until reaching the substation is defined as a public good. No regional, state, or local government, or private company may prevent a power producer from using transmission lines. The same rate must be charged to all transmission grid users. 3. County and local governments may impose restrictions on the distribution grid within their county or local region. Section 2: Investment 1. The Department of Energy is appropriated $500 Billion over the next 20 years to implement smart grid technologies to reduce stress on the transmission grid and increase efficiency. 2. The current Eastern, Western, and Texas grid systems are to be maintained as separate transmission grids with manually-operated switching stations connecting the three grids along their borders. 3. Funding for this investment will be obtained by the imposition of a tax of 0.65 cents per kW-h to be paid by utility companies for using the grid. Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 03, 2012, 07:45:03 AM Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 03, 2012, 10:42:31 PM Can power companies opt out, or is this something they'd have to use in order to use any electrical infrastructure?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: TJ in Oregon on April 03, 2012, 11:13:11 PM Can power companies opt out, or is this something they'd have to use in order to use any electrical infrastructure? I'm not sure there's a way of doing this if they want to use the transmission grid (which virtually every one would). How does one transmit power without using the grid? Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 03, 2012, 11:43:34 PM Can power companies opt out, or is this something they'd have to use in order to use any electrical infrastructure? I'm not sure there's a way of doing this if they want to use the transmission grid (which virtually every one would). How does one transmit power without using the grid? Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 05, 2012, 05:33:39 PM The amendment has passed.
Are we ready for final vote here? Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: ilikeverin on April 06, 2012, 10:27:52 AM I know almost nothing about this, so I'm going to blindly trust TJ!
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 09, 2012, 06:50:42 PM A final vote is now open on the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act, Senators please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on April 09, 2012, 07:45:37 PM Abstain.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: TJ in Oregon on April 09, 2012, 07:50:46 PM Aye
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: ilikeverin on April 09, 2012, 08:25:22 PM ;D Yup
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Sbane on April 09, 2012, 09:04:36 PM Aye
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on April 09, 2012, 09:21:06 PM Abstain.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Pingvin on April 10, 2012, 02:08:34 AM Aye
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (WTF SENATORS!!!!) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 11, 2012, 07:30:35 PM Did I not email every Senator about this vote? Yes I did.
SO WHERE THE HELL IS THE OTHERS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 13, 2012, 08:26:04 PM Aye
For christ's sake. Can't I atleast get six ayes here? Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on April 14, 2012, 03:25:20 PM Aye
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 14, 2012, 11:56:16 PM Aye
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (On the President's Desk) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 15, 2012, 07:17:51 PM Vote on Final Passage of the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act:
Aye (7): Clarence, ilikeverin, Nathan, North Carolina Yankee, Pingvin99, Sbane and TJ in Cleve Nay (0): Abstain (2): Alfred F. Jones and Scott Didn't Vote (1): MoPolitico With seven votes in the affirmative and no nays the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act has passed the Senate and is presented to the President for executive action. Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Frodo on July 15, 2012, 03:27:39 PM Is it safe to assume this is now law, despite the fact that it was never signed?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Donerail on July 15, 2012, 03:33:42 PM Is it safe to assume this is now law, despite the fact that it was never signed? I believe it passes after a week with no action taken. Title: Re: Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 16, 2012, 07:58:27 AM This is what happens when the VP brings bills to the floor, then abandons them to the PPT. PPT can't alter the Subject line to indicate the change in action, and the VP ceases to follow the action once the PPT is elected. A reoccuring problem that is hard to deal with unless you slow the Senate down that first week by having the Veep not introduce anything, or the VP continues to follow the Senate on a regular basis. :P
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