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Title: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 09:38:08 AM
no need to feel ugly...

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Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 10:13:47 AM
Yeah, I want dinner after looking at that. :P


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 10:54:45 AM

stop being Dinner Doodle dibbler, Dibble...our church service ends around noon every Sunday, yet no one has trouble going to lunch, even though the blood of Christ is a common topic in our church.

the doodle contrasted the ugliness of sin with the glory of being saved.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 11:48:04 AM
...our church service ends around noon every Sunday, yet no one has trouble going to lunch, even though the blood of Christ is a common topic in our church.

Do you routinely show pictures from snuff films during your church services?


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 12:46:14 PM
what's a snuff film?


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 12:53:04 PM

All you need to know: http://bit.ly/HUUeFf


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 01:01:56 PM

no thanks, I looked up the definition.

It is not uncommon for us to show depictions of the Crucifixion on Easter Sunday.  Of course you would have a problem with it.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: afleitch on April 04, 2012, 01:11:34 PM
Reminds me of a memory that sticks out like a sore thumb. I had RE every day when I was younger and I was about 8 years old and it was Easter and everyone had to draw the Crucifixion; for some it was the opportunity to get the red crayon out and draw a bloodbath (which would never have been allowed in any other drawing) Anyway, I end up giving Jesus nipples and got into trouble for it. :)


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: opebo on April 04, 2012, 01:48:43 PM
I end up giving Jesus nipples and got into trouble for it. :)

Good man!  And jmfcst, why don't you let your poor progeny enjoy their canned salmon and deer-jerky in peace?


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
And jmfcst, why don't you let your poor progeny enjoy their canned salmon and deer-jerky in peace?

I think you missed the point of this particular doodle, so here is another passage that makes the same point:

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
   because the LORD has anointed me
   to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
   to proclaim freedom for the captives
   and release from darkness for the prisoners,
2 to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor
   and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
 3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
   instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
   instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
   instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
   a planting of the LORD
   for the display of his splendor.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 04, 2012, 02:05:28 PM
for some it was the opportunity to get the red crayon out and draw a bloodbath (which would never have been allowed in any other drawing)

That's surprising.  There are a lot of bloody bits in both Testaments.

BTW - surely there must be someone in jmf's church who has better sense of graphic design.  This doodle tried to pack in too much text to fit the space available, and at that it failed to include a reference to Isaiah 61:3 that would help make the title make sense.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: opebo on April 04, 2012, 02:09:44 PM
My point was, do you still feed them that canned Salmon - what was it 6 for 99 cents or something like that from Aldies?


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 02:10:56 PM
BTW - surely there must be someone in jmf's church who has better sense of graphic design.  This doodle tried to pack in too much text to fit the space available, and at that it failed to include a reference to Isaiah 61:3 that would help make the title make sense.

What are you talking about? It's a perfectly fine design... for a website in the early 90's.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 02:20:51 PM
My point was, do you still feed them that canned Salmon - what was it 6 for 99 cents or something like that from Aldies?

What are you talking about? It's a perfectly fine design... for a website in the early 90's.

canned Salmon?...graphic design?

I should form a contest and give a prize to the person who guesses the topic for the next attempt at muddying the waters in order to distract from the message of this Dinner Doodle.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
My point was, do you still feed them that canned Salmon - what was it 6 for 99 cents or something like that from Aldies?

What are you talking about? It's a perfectly fine design... for a website in the early 90's.

canned Salmon?...graphic design?

I should form a contest and give a prize to the person who guesses the topic for the next attempt at muddying the waters in order to distract from the message of this Dinner Doodle.

Just so you know, if you post a poorly designed disposable dinner placemat for children you probably shouldn't expect serious discussion. I would think your last attempt would have taught you that.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 02:33:34 PM
Just so you know, if you post a poorly designed disposable dinner placemat for children you probably shouldn't expect serious discussion. I would think your last attempt would have taught you that.

oh I know...the design is horrible and just destroys the message, right?  some people find a problem in everything, even the choice of wallpaper in the bathroom.

you can't please everyone...goats will always find a reason to butt.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: John Dibble on April 04, 2012, 02:48:37 PM
oh I know...the design is horrible and just destroys the message, right?

Well, it is kind of hard to read the message when your eyes are constantly being drawn to the snuff film pictures.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
oh I know...the design is horrible and just destroys the message, right?

Well, it is kind of hard to read the message when your eyes are constantly being drawn to the snuff film pictures.

as if your tender eyes have never seen such graphic pics?  the pictures are graphic and ugly because the ugliness of sin is a topic of the doodle...so the pics help in getting the point across.

but, again, you're simply trying to distract attention to the cover and away from the content.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 04, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
Just so you know, if you post a poorly designed disposable dinner placemat for children you probably shouldn't expect serious discussion. I would think your last attempt would have taught you that.

oh I know...the design is horrible and just destroys the message, right? 

I wouldn't say it destroys it, but it does obscure it.  The primary fault with the latest dinner doodle is that it tries to fit into a single place mat enough to fill a whole tablecloth.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 04:54:57 PM
I wouldn't say it destroys it, but it does obscure it.  The primary fault with the latest dinner doodle is that it tries to fit into a single place mat enough to fill a whole tablecloth.

but, again, you're straining at a gnat.  the Gospel is NOT about personal preference, but rather it is about the word of God.  So, instead of focusing on the wrapper, why don't you save your objections for the content.

our church does NOT attempt to cater to those whose paramount concern is being entertained, rather we cater to those who fear God and want to hear his word.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: opebo on April 04, 2012, 05:00:30 PM
nobody else remembers the canned salmon schtick?


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 04, 2012, 05:04:23 PM
nobody else remembers the canned salmon schtick?


no, I even did a search for canned salmon and didn't find a post where I ever talked about it.

...though we do occasionally eat salmon patties, which requires canned salmon.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: opebo on April 04, 2012, 05:18:37 PM
nobody else remembers the canned salmon schtick?


no, I even did a search for canned salmon and didn't find a post where I ever talked about it.

...though we do occasionally eat salmon patties, which requires canned salmon.

Yes! That's it - Salmon Patties!  And you bragged about how cheap the canned salmon was.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 04, 2012, 05:22:10 PM
So, instead of focusing on the wrapper, why don't you save your objections for the content.

Because there are better wrappers for the exact same content.  The content here is core Christian theology.  The Paschal lamb of Moshe was symbolic of the sacrifice that Christ would later make when he died for our sins.  Any objections to be made for the content would not be an objection to a particular interpretation, but to Christianity itself.

our church does NOT attempt to cater to those whose paramount concern is being entertained
Judging by the dinner doodles, your church is successful in not catering.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 05, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
nobody else remembers the canned salmon schtick?


no, I even did a search for canned salmon and didn't find a post where I ever talked about it.

...though we do occasionally eat salmon patties, which requires canned salmon.

Yes! That's it - Salmon Patties!  And you bragged about how cheap the canned salmon was.
 

is there a problem with salmon patties and/or saving money?

we eat a wide variety of meats, some bought and some hunted (deer, hog).  And when we buy boneless chicken breast and ground beef, we buy it by the 40lb case which allows us to buy it at wholesale prices.  Just a week ago, we took delivery of 120lb of 93% lean ground beef.

buying our chicken and ground beef at wholesale, allows my wife a backup plan when other meats like steak and shrimp aren't on sale - she can simply wait for the next sale and use the beef and chicken in our deepfreeze.

if anyone is interested, check out Zaycon Foods:

http://www.zayconfoods.com/



Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 05, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
So, instead of focusing on the wrapper, why don't you save your objections for the content.

Because there are better wrappers for the exact same content.

show me a passage from the bible where anyone, other than the Pharisees, were critiquing in the manner in which you are doing.  Again, you’re straining at a gnat…might as well complain about my churches choice of wallpaper in the bathroom.

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The content here is core Christian theology.  The Paschal lamb of Moshe was symbolic of the sacrifice that Christ would later make when he died for our sins.  Any objections to be made for the content would not be an objection to a particular interpretation, but to Christianity itself.

So, you admit this Dinner Doodle is only lifting up Christ with a universally accepted message central to Christianity and does not attempt to draw lines of separation…yet you found a problem with it worth criticizing.

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our church does NOT attempt to cater to those whose paramount concern is being entertained
Judging by the dinner doodles, your church is successful in not catering.

Dude, you’re a goat…you never allow yourself to be shepherded by any church.  That‘s why you have a problem with the NT and think it was written by a group who disposed true Christianity…but your objections in this thread only prove, once again, that you’re not interested in peace, rather, from your point of view, there is always something “wrong”.

I've seen many people like you over the years, drifting from church to church, never able to find one you like because there is always some mole hill you're willing to turn into a mountain.

But, hey, I know my words, logical as they may be, won’t impact you.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 05, 2012, 01:18:35 PM
So, instead of focusing on the wrapper, why don't you save your objections for the content.

Because there are better wrappers for the exact same content.

show me a passage from the bible where anyone, other than the Pharisees, were critiquing in the manner in which you are doing.  Again, you’re straining at a gnat…might as well complain about my churches choice of wallpaper in the bathroom.


If it affected how well your church could convey its chosen message, I might well attempt to offer some constructive criticism of its wallpaper selection.  However, I'm doubtful that bathroom wallpaper would have any effect.  (There's probably people out there who sell wallpaper murals with biblical scenes on it that you could put in a church bathroom and elsewhere, but I doubt if that's what you were referring to.)

As for your attempted comparison of me to the Pharisees, I might point out that the people depicted in the Bible were generally effective in conveying their messages.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on April 05, 2012, 01:36:17 PM
If it affected how well your church could convey its chosen message, I might well attempt to offer some constructive criticism of its wallpaper selection.  However, I'm doubtful that bathroom wallpaper would have any effect.  (There's probably people out there who sell wallpaper murals with biblical scenes on it that you could put in a church bathroom and elsewhere, but I doubt if that's what you were referring to.)

no, I'm simply referring to you being a big enough ass to find a problem in everything.  If the walls were painted white, you'd say they should be blue.  If they were blue, you'd say they should be red....etc, etc, etc.

Even in this thread, you admitted the message of the Dinner Doodle was 100% basic Christianity with no denominational spin...yet you still came into this thread complaining.

There is NEVER a good word out of your mouth.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 05, 2012, 02:56:35 PM
Actually, I find wood paneling the most attractive wall option.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 05, 2012, 05:27:30 PM
It is one of my biggest problems with low-church Protestantism that it has such a lack of regard for the idea of aesthetics and physical beauty as important parts of God's designs and as themselves indicative of a message or an attitude to a message.

Actually, I find wood paneling the most attractive wall option.

QFT.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on April 05, 2012, 05:42:46 PM
It is one of my biggest problems with low-church Protestantism that it has such a lack of regard for the idea of aesthetics and physical beauty as important parts of God's designs and as themselves indicative of a message or an attitude to a message.

To a degree that is because of Calvinist predestinationism, tho I can't say if that applies to jm or not.  Since predestinationism holds that those destined to be saved will be saved, for those who believe in predestinationism, aesthetics are not particularly important.  What will be will be because God has willed it to be that way.


Title: Re: Dinner Doodle: His Blood - Our Glory
Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on April 05, 2012, 06:00:15 PM
It is one of my biggest problems with low-church Protestantism that it has such a lack of regard for the idea of aesthetics and physical beauty as important parts of God's designs and as themselves indicative of a message or an attitude to a message.

To a degree that is because of Calvinist predestinationism, tho I can't say if that applies to jm or not.  Since predestinationism holds that those destined to be saved will be saved, for those who believe in predestinationism, aesthetics are not particularly important.  What will be will be because God has willed it to be that way.

Oh, I know why it is, but it still strikes me as a threadbare excuse for not caring about making one's environment or accoutrements presentable.