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Title: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 13, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
As discussed on another forum. Facts:

-It is quite popular amongst Christians especially in comparison to say, black metal or powerviolence.
-Evangelicals like to use it as soundtracks for videos they produce (and often violating copyright in the process)
-Church musicians tend to like it (evidenced by some of Hillsong's stuff.)
-People do a lot of hand-raising and swaying at post-rock shows.

So in a weird way yes, though I wouldn't be surprised at all if Explosions in the Sky are not Christians.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: John Dibble on April 13, 2012, 10:44:33 PM
No. Just because some Christians happen to like some style of music it does not make that music inherently Christian... especially if the music itself has nothing to do with Christianity.

-People do a lot of hand-raising and swaying at post-rock shows.

That is not an inherently Christian behavior. I mean for crying out loud, the pot-smoking free-love hippies did that in the sixties, and I would hardly think they invented it either.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 13, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
-People do a lot of hand-raising and swaying at post-rock shows.

That is not an inherently Christian behavior. I mean for crying out loud, the pot-smoking free-love hippies did that in the sixties, and I would hardly think they invented it either.

Pot smokers tend to love post-rock too. When I saw Explosions in the Sky I could smell someone smoking weed on the actual floor of the venue. It was so crowded that they knew security couldn't catch them, which was the case since I never saw anyone get thrown out.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on April 13, 2012, 11:52:48 PM
Goddammit, no.

The most popular genre for Christians outside of like country is Post-Hardcore. Bands like The Devil Wears Prada, Attack Attack!, Underoath, Norma Jean, Mychildren Mybride, Blessthefall, Flyleaf, Thrice, Texas In July, Red, etc. are the poster children.

All really good bands, btw.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 14, 2012, 12:19:57 AM
Goddammit, no.

The most popular genre for Christians outside of like country is Post-Hardcore. Bands like The Devil Wears Prada, Attack Attack!, Underoath, Norma Jean, Mychildren Mybride, Blessthefall, Flyleaf, Thrice, Texas In July, Red, etc. are the poster children.

All really good bands, btw.

The only bands of those that are post-hardcore are Underoath (and they started out playing death metal) and Thrice, and Thrice is not Christian (though some of the members are). Most of those are just like fifth wave metalcore.

BTW it's pretty funny that Norma Jean is basically just a direct Botch ripoff, because Botch were heavily anti-Christian (and of course were a FAR better band).


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on April 14, 2012, 12:25:37 AM
Botch is a good band.

Post-Hardcore has drifted from punk and has subsequently become synonymous with metal.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 14, 2012, 12:28:00 AM
Botch is a good band.

Post-Hardcore has drifted from punk and has subsequently become synonymous with metal.

No post-hardcore has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with metal. Thursday or Brand New do not sound like metal.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on April 14, 2012, 12:32:47 AM
No kidding. But the metal kids are calling themselves "hardcore" because they don't understand what hardcore is.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 15, 2012, 06:11:49 AM
Post-hardcore has a similiar fanbase to metal these days though is the point.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: doktorb on April 15, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
-People do a lot of hand-raising and swaying at post-rock shows.

That is not an inherently Christian behavior. I mean for crying out loud, the pot-smoking free-love hippies did that in the sixties, and I would hardly think they invented it either.

Pot smokers tend to love post-rock too. When I saw Explosions in the Sky I could smell someone smoking weed on the actual floor of the venue. It was so crowded that they knew security couldn't catch them, which was the case since I never saw anyone get thrown out.

It's more notable here to go to a post-rock/mathsrock gig and NOT smell weed


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 15, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Post-hardcore has a similiar fanbase to metal these days though is the point.

Not if you're talking about real metalheads, I've never heard of a post-hardcore band touring on a black/death metal tour for example.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on April 16, 2012, 04:28:13 AM
Post-hardcore has a similiar fanbase to metal these days though is the point.

Not if you're talking about real metalheads, I've never heard of a post-hardcore band touring on a black/death metal tour for example.

     I would add that being a headbanger is very much a psychological phenomenon. While death and black metal are by no means the end-all-be-all of the genre, they display an ethos that appeals to the typical fan of the genre in a very basic sense. Saying that post-hardcore has a similar fanbase to metal would have to imply that fans of post-hardcore would be attracted to the deliberately offensive usage of violent and Satanic imagery associated with the metal genre. I sort of doubt that, though it's not like I know about post-hardcore.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: Grumpier Than Thou on April 16, 2012, 07:05:18 AM
I'm pretty sure that post is the meaning of life.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 16, 2012, 12:32:54 PM
Post-hardcore has a similiar fanbase to metal these days though is the point.

Not if you're talking about real metalheads, I've never heard of a post-hardcore band touring on a black/death metal tour for example.

     I would add that being a headbanger is very much a psychological phenomenon. While death and black metal are by no means the end-all-be-all of the genre, they display an ethos that appeals to the typical fan of the genre in a very basic sense. Saying that post-hardcore has a similar fanbase to metal would have to imply that fans of post-hardcore would be attracted to the deliberately offensive usage of violent and Satanic imagery associated with the metal genre. I sort of doubt that, though it's not like I know about post-hardcore.

Yes, very far from the case in regards to post-hardcore.

Reminds me of this video, which I bet Jake Matthews would like (very funny actually): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT2TnwpsMa8


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: Boris on April 16, 2012, 12:47:29 PM
It's definitely spiritual and contemplative, and also probably has the most diverse fanbase out of any musical genre. I mean, have you ever met anyone who actually dislikes it?

El Ten Eleven is the only post-rock band I've seen live (at Chicago's Wicker Park Fest, so it was pretty awesome). The scene was basically similar to a dubstep/electrohouse show (maybe because they were preceding a dubstep producer): people dressed in rave gear, mdma flowing from everyone's mouths, the ubiquitous weed smell, etc.


Title: Re: Is post-rock an inherentely "Christian" genre?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 17, 2012, 01:45:52 AM
My biggest problem with it is you can't really have fun getting drunk to it live. I only had one drink at Explosions in the Sky. Now on the other hand if you smuggle in some weed...