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Title: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 10:48:21 am
BRTD
Al
Keystone Phil
opebo
Young Tweed
Alcon
Sam Spade
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Lief
Torie


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Torie on April 17, 2012, 10:54:32 am
The list is a bit loaded in one direction. :P  I put spaces where I suspect the break points are . left, center and right. I'm not sure about Tweed for some reason.

opebo
Lief
Al
BRTD
Young Tweed
Ben C0nst!ne

Alcon
Gustaf
Torie

Sam Spade
Keystone Phil









Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 10:58:25 am
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Torie on April 17, 2012, 11:02:08 am
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Really?  What are those "three or four simple points?"


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: A Strange Reflection on April 17, 2012, 11:05:10 am
Not sure about some, but it's something like this.

opebo
Young Tweed
Lief
BRTD
Al
Ben C0nst!ne
Alcon
Gustaf
Torie
Sam Spade
Keystone Phil


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Napoleon on April 17, 2012, 11:08:37 am
Al
BRTD
Opebo
Tweed
Lief
Gustaf
Alcon
Torie
Ben Constine
Keystone Phil
Sam Spade


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2012, 11:57:24 am
So basically I'm put here to seem like an extreme right winger. :P


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: A Strange Reflection on April 17, 2012, 12:00:09 pm
So basically I'm put here to seem like an extreme right winger. :P

For European standards, certainly.

For American standards, nah. It's just that there are only two mainstream republicans (you and Spade) so it doesn't take much to be ranked last. ;)


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: oreomilkshake on April 17, 2012, 01:54:15 pm
Young Tweed
opebo
Lief
Al
BRTD
Ben Constine
Alcon
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil
Sam Spade


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Oakvale on April 17, 2012, 02:08:07 pm
Al
Tweed
BRTD
Lief
Alcon
opebo
Ben Constine
Gustaf
Torie
Phil
Sam Spade


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: memphis on April 17, 2012, 02:14:39 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Really?  What are those "three or four simple points?"
1. Taxes are too high on the rich job creators.
2. Taxes are too low on the poor lazy.
3. Capital should be free to do as it wishes, but not labor.
4. Corporations are people.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on April 17, 2012, 02:23:13 pm
There is no such thing as politically "right". There is only "left", "wrong", or "both".
And the first is seldomly achieved by me and exceedingly rarely by anybody else. :P


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 02:50:38 pm


Lief
Al

BRTD
opebo

Alcon
Ben
Torie


Keystone Phil
Gustaf
Sam Spade


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 03:04:16 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Really?  What are those "three or four simple points?"

privatize profit, socialize costs.  concentrate power as far as possible from the political sphere; ie, undermine democracy. 

often tinged with an essentially contradictory moralism.

respect the sovereignty of no states or peoples, other than the US.  open the entire globe for the exploitation of its labor and natural resources for purposes of private profit.



'neoconservatives' typically come with a heavy dose of the moralism and are more willing to achieve the bottom point through the use of naked military force, rather than through more indirect means (CIA, economic pressures, etc.)


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: LastVoter on April 17, 2012, 03:12:58 pm
Young Tweed
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Torie
Sam Spade
Keystone Phil
Something like this?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Come grasp the mighty avatar of our admin on April 17, 2012, 05:00:04 pm
Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger".


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 17, 2012, 05:00:32 pm
Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger".

Depends. There's an authoritarian left and a libertarian left


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Come grasp the mighty avatar of our admin on April 17, 2012, 05:01:50 pm
Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger".

Depends. There's an authoritarian left and a libertarian left

Support for inherited priveledges, his attachment to the so-caller "higher classes" and conservative monarchism is hardly leftist.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Gustaf on April 17, 2012, 05:17:54 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

I knew before opening the thread that Tweed would include me on it (which is of course why my ego drove me to open it).

I think I largely agree with the consensus on here, that Torie, Phil and Spade are to my right and everyone else is to my left. Opebo may count on my right as well, depending on definitions.

The various left-wingers I find less interesting to classify. It all becomes very introspective on that level.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Napoleon on April 17, 2012, 05:27:30 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points.


What's the fourth?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tpfkaw on April 17, 2012, 05:32:08 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points.


What's the fourth?

I assume the implication is that it could be five if she's ambidextrous.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Napoleon on April 17, 2012, 05:33:57 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Your mother is reducible down to at most three or four simple points.


What's the fourth?

I assume the implication is that it could be five if she's ambidextrous.

I'll believe it when I see it.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 17, 2012, 05:50:55 pm
Considering opebo's support for various authoritarian governments out of purely ideological reasons, it's hard to call him an "left-winger".

Depends. There's an authoritarian left and a libertarian left

Support for inherited priveledges, his attachment to the so-caller "higher classes" and conservative monarchism is hardly leftist.

Ah, yeah, I forgot about that.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: A Strange Reflection on April 17, 2012, 06:06:56 pm
it is intentionally loaded in one direction.  nearly all neoliberal-era right-wing ideology is banal and uniformly uninteresting, reducible down to at most three or four simple points.

Really?  What are those "three or four simple points?"
1. Taxes are too high on the rich job creators.
2. Taxes are too low on the poor lazy.
3. Capital should be free to do as it wishes, but not labor.
4. Corporations are people.

I'd puit it that way :
1 If we don't let inequalities prosper to the highest possible degree, we will disincentivize talent and encourage mediocrity
2 Taxes are EVIL : cut them as much as you can
3 The Welfare State is a way to subsidize laziness : nothing should be for free
4 Regulations are what prevent the market from working efficiently : abolish them and everything will be awesome


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Come grasp the mighty avatar of our admin on April 17, 2012, 06:10:03 pm
I knew before opening the thread that Tweed would include me on it (which is of course why my ego drove me to open it).

Some people are very predictable, aren't they?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Proud Grumplican on April 17, 2012, 07:39:27 pm
Does anyone think Spade is not THAT far right?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 08:17:25 pm
he's a pragmatist, but also very committed to protecting the privileged access of groups to wealth and power: whites, men, by class, and so on.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: opebo on April 17, 2012, 08:18:30 pm
Young Tweed
Al
opebo
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Torie
Keystone Phil
Sam Spade

Edit: forgot Leif


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on April 17, 2012, 09:40:40 pm
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 09:46:25 pm

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?

refer back to my last display name, prior to the change a half hour or so ago: Tweed, as you understand Him


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on April 17, 2012, 09:48:21 pm
Oh the hack Tweed then? You'd probably be between me and Alcon then.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 17, 2012, 09:49:07 pm
if that is how you understand me.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2012, 09:49:55 pm
Does anyone think Spade is not THAT far right?

I don't even consider him conservative, to be honest. He's certainly not socially conservative.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on April 17, 2012, 10:08:48 pm
Spade used to be a conservative, today he doesn't really have an ideology beyond claiming that he already knew that things that already happened were going to happen and thus policies in the run up to them were bad.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Gustaf on April 18, 2012, 12:48:20 am
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?

What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: patrick1 on April 18, 2012, 12:59:12 am
Al
Alcon
Lief
BRTD
Gustaf
Young Tweed
Torie
Keystone Phil
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
opebo


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on April 18, 2012, 01:07:14 am
Lief
Al
Opebo
BRTD
Tweed
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Torie
Sam Spade
Keystone Phil


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Beet on April 18, 2012, 01:13:33 am
Lief
Tweed
Al
opebo
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Torie
Sam Spade
Keystone Phil


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on April 18, 2012, 01:26:06 am
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?

What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie?

Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either.

As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore.

Al
Alcon
Lief
BRTD
Gustaf
Young Tweed
Torie
Keystone Phil
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
opebo

I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this:

1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him.
2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist.
3-opebo being the most right wing.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Gustaf on April 18, 2012, 01:33:33 am
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?

What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie?

Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either.

As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore.

Al
Alcon
Lief
BRTD
Gustaf
Young Tweed
Torie
Keystone Phil
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
opebo

I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this:

1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him.
2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist.
3-opebo being the most right wing.

Eh, ok. Then again, Torie is supporting Romney now whereas I'm leaning clearly towards Obama. So I fail to see your logic. Your obsession with the 2006 MN race is creepy. I generally support Democratic candidates, as you well know, since we've been over this before.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Joe Republic on April 18, 2012, 01:37:55 am
Your obsession with [                ] is creepy.

Have you encountered BRTD before?


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on April 18, 2012, 01:38:56 am
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?

What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie?

Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either.

As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore.

Al
Alcon
Lief
BRTD
Gustaf
Young Tweed
Torie
Keystone Phil
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
opebo

I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this:

1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him.
2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist.
3-opebo being the most right wing.

Eh, ok. Then again, Torie is supporting Romney now whereas I'm leaning clearly towards Obama. So I fail to see your logic. Your obsession with the 2006 MN race is creepy. I generally support Democratic candidates, as you well know, since we've been over this before.

Yes but you supported a far right wing Republican with absolutely no crossover appeal or appeal to swing voters who was absolutely destroyed and won basically only the GOP base. That would define you as a GOP base voter. That's like someone insisting that they're a Republican who would've voted for Mondale in '84.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: patrick1 on April 18, 2012, 02:09:49 am
BRTD, I did this based on personality and not just rhetoric.  Opebo is clearly a fascist.
I think Alcon is more left in his sensibilities than many of the so called leftists.  Tweed is a chameleon and could turn tomorrow. Gustaf I see as the middle.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Saturday's Cab Ride Home on April 18, 2012, 02:12:25 am
I fail to see how someone who refers to their homeland as "The Bad Place" would be sufficiently nationalistic to be fascist.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Gustaf on April 18, 2012, 02:18:13 am
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Gustaf
Keystone Phil

Young Tweed is pretty difficult as he ranged at times from a constine-esque Moderate Hero to a Marxist-Leninist. Are you referring to the median, the Daily Kos-style hack liberal Tweed?

What puts me to the right of Sam and Torie?

Torie voted for Obama. I doubt he'd vote Republican in the 2006 Minnesota Senate race either.

As I noted above Sam doesn't really have an ideology anymore.

Al
Alcon
Lief
BRTD
Gustaf
Young Tweed
Torie
Keystone Phil
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
opebo

I don't know what's the wierdest bit about this:

1-Alcon being the second most left even though he's a dedicated Moderate Hero who kept insisting in 2008 he was going to vote for McCain even though basically not a single person believed him.
2-Tweed being to the right of Gustaf, unless you're thinking only of the constine-esque one and ignoring him as a Marxist-Leninist.
3-opebo being the most right wing.

Eh, ok. Then again, Torie is supporting Romney now whereas I'm leaning clearly towards Obama. So I fail to see your logic. Your obsession with the 2006 MN race is creepy. I generally support Democratic candidates, as you well know, since we've been over this before.

Yes but you supported a far right wing Republican with absolutely no crossover appeal or appeal to swing voters who was absolutely destroyed and won basically only the GOP base. That would define you as a GOP base voter. That's like someone insisting that they're a Republican who would've voted for Mondale in '84.

Ok? So the fact that I supported the 2006 Dem Gubernatorial candidate in Georgia, who got destroyed by the same margin as your cherished Kennedy then proves that I'm also a Democratic base voter, I suppose? Amazing! I'm both a Democratic AND a Republican base voter simultaneously. Actually, to follow your example, I'd have supported McGovern in 1972. Man, that makes SO much of a Democrat I should probably be even further left on the list.

Or you fail logic. Again.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: patrick1 on April 18, 2012, 02:40:22 am
I fail to see how someone who refers to their homeland as "The Bad Place" would be sufficiently nationalistic to be fascist.

Because he is in love with himself.  That is his nation.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: LastVoter on April 18, 2012, 03:50:31 am
Young Tweed
opebo
Al
Lief
BRTD
Alcon
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Torie
Sam Spade
Keystone Phil
Something like this?
bump bump, added Lief, feel like my post was looked over because of style and being last on a page. Also where do you guys think I am most similar to(and other posters who posted here). Maybe we could use this a standard to rank new posters?
edit: Oh looks like we already have a thread like that...


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: Deputy GM R2D2 on April 18, 2012, 05:18:41 am
Left

Young Tweed
opebo
BRTD
Al
Lief
Alcon
Gustaf
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
Torie
Keystone Phil

Right


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: opebo on April 18, 2012, 06:05:54 am
Al
Alcon
Lief
BRTD
Gustaf
Young Tweed
Torie
Keystone Phil
Ben C0nst!ne
Sam Spade
opebo

I like it!


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: morgieb on April 19, 2012, 06:36:49 am
opebo
BRTD
Al
Lief
Ben C0nst!ne
Gustaf
Torie
Sam Spade
Keystone Phil

Don't really know Young Tweed or Alcon. And is Ben really that right-wing? He seems like a leftie to me, admittedly one that's pretty hawkish.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: tweed on April 19, 2012, 07:15:36 am
And is Ben really that right-wing? He seems like a leftie to me, admittedly one that's pretty hawkish.

Ben wouldn't be able to explain what left-wing ideology is if it were the prompt to the essay section on the SAT.


Title: Re: 'rank' the following posters from Left to Right
Post by: minionofmidas - supplemental forum account on April 19, 2012, 07:25:13 am
And is Ben really that right-wing? He seems like a leftie to me, admittedly one that's pretty hawkish.

Ben wouldn't be able to explain what left-wing ideology is if it were the prompt to the essay section on the SAT.
Neither would opebo.