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Title: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: You kip if you want to... on April 22, 2012, 09:41:29 am
François Hollande and Jean-Luc Mélenchon won the forum's first round, so both have gone onto the second. Voting closes on May 6th.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 22, 2012, 10:18:44 am
I like them both a great dealHollande is a pro-war twerp, Melenchon is near perfect a candidate for me.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Pingvin on April 22, 2012, 10:23:28 am
Suicide.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Goldwater on April 22, 2012, 10:25:00 am
I suppose I would have to go with Hollande...


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: A Strange Reflection on April 22, 2012, 10:26:20 am
Hollande.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Snowstalker's Last Stand on April 22, 2012, 10:28:12 am
If I were European, I'd probably oppose the EU from the left. I like both, but I'd vote Melenchon in the first round and Hollande in the second.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Redalgo on April 22, 2012, 12:21:01 pm
If I set aside a few disagreements, Mélenchon!


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: GM R2D2 on April 22, 2012, 01:26:33 pm
Melenchon.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Kalwejt on April 22, 2012, 01:38:45 pm
Hollande.

This.

Melenchon flip from European federalism to nationalism makes him unacceatable for me.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 22, 2012, 01:43:53 pm
Hollande.

This.

Melenchon flip from European federalism to nationalism makes him unacceatable for me.

And Hollande calling for a war in Syria makes him acceptable? Europhiles make me sick.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Kalwejt on April 22, 2012, 02:51:56 pm
Hollande.

This.

Melenchon flip from European federalism to nationalism makes him unacceatable for me.

And Hollande calling for a war in Syria makes him acceptable? Europhiles make me sick.

Dictator apologists make me sick as well.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 22, 2012, 02:55:44 pm
Jean-Luc Mélenchon.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: k-onmmunist on April 22, 2012, 03:09:53 pm
Hollande.

This.

Melenchon flip from European federalism to nationalism makes him unacceatable for me.

And Hollande calling for a war in Syria makes him acceptable? Europhiles make me sick.

Dictator apologists make me sick as well.

Melenchon likes dictators?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Leftbehind on April 22, 2012, 05:37:06 pm
Mélenchon.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: A Strange Reflection on April 22, 2012, 08:13:50 pm
Hollande.

This.

Melenchon flip from European federalism to nationalism makes him unacceatable for me.

And Hollande calling for a war in Syria makes him acceptable? Europhiles make me sick.

Dictator apologists make me sick as well.

Melenchon likes dictators?

I think he said something quite nutty about Cuba sometimes ago. He also often praises China for no precise reason except for not being the Evil Imperialiszt USA.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: RedPrometheus on April 25, 2012, 07:38:56 am
Hollande.

This.

Melenchon flip from European federalism to nationalism makes him unacceatable for me.

And Hollande calling for a war in Syria makes him acceptable? Europhiles make me sick.

Dictator apologists make me sick as well.

Melenchon likes dictators?

I think he said something quite nutty about Cuba sometimes ago. He also often praises China for no precise reason except for not being the Evil Imperialiszt USA.

One of the reasons I'm for Hollande. Another is solidarity with a fellow party from the Socialist International.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: © tweed on April 25, 2012, 10:49:54 am
would Melenchon win a majority of the Le Pen voters that turned out?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: LastVoter on April 27, 2012, 03:18:51 am
Melenchon looks good from a far, but once you put him under a microscope...


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Simfan34 on April 27, 2012, 10:02:38 am
Null vote.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: oreomilkshake on April 27, 2012, 11:18:56 am
Well, since Le Pen is gone and there's no other options obviously Melenchon. In the real life I'm "rooting" for Hollande and hoping for FN gains at parliamentary level, for reasons that should be pretty obvious.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: A Strange Reflection on April 27, 2012, 11:45:21 am
Null vote.

Please stop using Google Translate to speak french in your sig. The result is dreadful.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: YL on April 27, 2012, 02:07:31 pm
Not a realistic choice of course, but I'll stick with Hollande.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Kalwejt on April 27, 2012, 02:35:34 pm
Melenchon is the French Ron Paul: his strongest support is located online,


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Niemeyerite on April 27, 2012, 06:06:05 pm
Hollande!


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: shua on April 27, 2012, 10:15:43 pm
I voted Melenchon on the basis of him not being Hollande, but I looked it him a bit more. Definitely Hollande.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: tpfkaw on April 27, 2012, 10:32:20 pm
Well, since Le Pen is gone and there's no other options obviously Melenchon. In the real life I'm "rooting" for Hollande and hoping for FN gains at parliamentary level, for reasons that should be pretty obvious.

IRL it'd be emigration for me if France had sunk to that level, but anyways I'd expect you at least to realize that Communists are bad news and should never be supported in any circumstance.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: oreomilkshake on April 28, 2012, 10:09:47 am
Well, since Le Pen is gone and there's no other options obviously Melenchon. In the real life I'm "rooting" for Hollande and hoping for FN gains at parliamentary level, for reasons that should be pretty obvious.

IRL it'd be emigration for me if France had sunk to that level, but anyways I'd expect you at least to realize that Communists are bad news and should never be supported in any circumstance.

Ordinarily not, but if it got to that point a nihilist approach might be appropriate. Want to get them run out? Give the lunatics what they want. As for real life Hollande winning would probably be for the best because it would put the mainstream right into disarray and allow for the "far right" to continue to make gains from their weakness.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: tpfkaw on April 28, 2012, 10:25:57 am
Well, since Le Pen is gone and there's no other options obviously Melenchon. In the real life I'm "rooting" for Hollande and hoping for FN gains at parliamentary level, for reasons that should be pretty obvious.

IRL it'd be emigration for me if France had sunk to that level, but anyways I'd expect you at least to realize that Communists are bad news and should never be supported in any circumstance.

Ordinarily not, but if it got to that point a nihilist approach might be appropriate. Want to get them run out? Give the lunatics what they want. As for real life Hollande winning would probably be for the best because it would put the mainstream right into disarray and allow for the "far right" to continue to make gains from their weakness.

I'm not sure the "far right" should be making gains at this point - Marine basically purged every worthwhile part of her father's platform (eliminating the income tax, getting rid of regulations on small businesses, ending state secularism etc.).  Hollande winning might be for the best long-term because France is almost certain to default under his inevitable misrule (unless he's a major flip-flopper), which might *finally* begin to discredit leftist economic policies (though, knowing France, they'll probably think it was because he was insufficiently leftist).


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: oreomilkshake on April 28, 2012, 01:46:48 pm
One of the casualties of "moderation" admittedly. My thinking is that if it got to that point, the far Left (well farther left) appearing to have a serious shot would force the establishment to basically stamp out communism. France might actually improve. Or go down in flames but it would pretty much deserve what it got under this scenario anyway.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Insula Dei on April 28, 2012, 01:52:36 pm
This thread has been very informative about some of our fellow posters.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: tpfkaw on April 28, 2012, 01:53:47 pm
One of the casualties of "moderation" admittedly. My thinking is that if it got to that point, the far Left (well farther left) appearing to have a serious shot would force the establishment to basically stamp out communism. France might actually improve. Or go down in flames but it would pretty much deserve what it got under this scenario anyway.

Just like they successfully stamped out the Lepenistes after 2002?


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on April 28, 2012, 07:12:41 pm
This thread has been very informative about some of our fellow posters.

It's all the more entertaining because these two have regular, daily conversations with each other over topics exactly like this and have no reason to make these posts back and forth in public except to put on a silly posturing show for the rest of us.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Leftbehind on April 28, 2012, 09:30:07 pm
The poll above has 51-49 - don't think I could last after a defeat like that!


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 06, 2012, 10:23:26 am
And François Hollande has been elected President of the Atlasian Republic.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: LastVoter on May 07, 2012, 04:04:28 am
This thread has been very informative about some of our fellow posters.
Nothing new, just some confirmations. This thread is quote goldmine.


Title: Re: France: Preferred President (Second round)
Post by: Simfan34 on May 07, 2012, 03:26:19 pm
Null vote.

Please stop using Google Translate to speak french in your sig. The result is dreadful.

I wish I had seen this earlier.