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Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion => Election What-ifs? => Topic started by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 01:51:13 AM



Title: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 01:51:13 AM
Who would you vote for?  Who would win?

I think this would be almost a role reveral of what we have now.  I would vote for Chaffe/ Specter.  Lets see some maps


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Moooooo on January 15, 2005, 01:54:18 AM
Call me crazy but, I actually like Zell Miller.  I may not agree with everything that comes out of his mouth but, he seems like a straight shooter to me.  Not the brightest Senator but, definitley one of the most honest.  "Id like to challenge you to a dual."  I still crack up everytime I see that interview replayed.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2005, 02:25:06 AM
This is the result:

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Miller wins a 320-218 electoral margin. His losses among liberals would be more than made up for by his strong gains among southern whites and conservatives across the country.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 02:34:46 AM
Can someone tell me how to make maps.  i tried to post my map & dopey ass couldn't do it right


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 15, 2005, 02:36:22 AM
Considering that Chafee semi-endorsed Kerry and Miller endorsed Bush, it'd basically just be an inverse of the 2004 map, especially since Chaffee is liberal on just about every issue and Miller is conservative on just about every issue.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 02:38:10 AM
This is the result:

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Miller wins a 320-218 electoral margin. His losses among liberals would be more than made up for by his strong gains among southern whites and conservatives across the country.


i highly doubt that.  I think Chaffe would win pretty easily and would take the entire mid/atlantic northeast would be a direct inverse of this year (except D.C) as well as the upper wid west & west coast


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Gabu on January 15, 2005, 02:38:19 AM
Can someone tell me how to make maps.  i tried to post my map & dopey ass couldn't do it right

Edit winners here (https://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/evcalc.php) and then copy and past the URL to the resulting map.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2005, 02:41:31 AM
Can someone tell me how to make maps.  i tried to post my map & dopey ass couldn't do it right

Right-click on the map, then scroll down to Properties(at least, that's how it is on my computer- it could be different on others). Click on it, then highlight the address and copy it. Then paste it where you want it to go, but put it between () . Hope that helps!


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2005, 02:46:24 AM
This is the result:

()

Miller wins a 320-218 electoral margin. His losses among liberals would be more than made up for by his strong gains among southern whites and conservatives across the country.


i highly doubt that.  I think Chaffe would win pretty easily and would take the entire mid/atlantic northeast would be a direct inverse of this year (except D.C) as well as the upper wid west & west coast


I don't think the map would be a direct inverse. Miller would hold the ultra-Democratic states(New York, California) and make big gains in the South. He would still win overwhelmingly among blacks, and do a lot better among Hispanics than Kerry(due to his pro-life stance).


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 02:50:05 AM
Can someone tell me how to make maps.  i tried to post my map & dopey ass couldn't do it right

Right-click on the map, then scroll down to Properties(at least, that's how it is on my computer- it could be different on others). Click on it, then highlight the address and copy it. Then paste it where you want it to go, but put it between () . Hope that helps!

i'm getting a grey map,  any reason why that is happening??


P.S  As a New Yorker no way does Miller win here, especially over a liberal like Chaffe


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 02:52:38 AM
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chaffe wins big 385-153


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 02:54:33 AM
holy Crap i did it,  thanks Bob


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2005, 02:56:37 AM

No problem, I had a hell of a time figuring out how to do that too:)


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 02:58:30 AM

No problem, I had a hell of a time figuring out how to do that too:)

Making the maps were easy, getting it to appear in the post well was.....


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: danwxman on January 15, 2005, 03:06:50 AM
Chafee/Specter would obviously win Pennsylvania.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on January 15, 2005, 03:22:07 AM
Chafee would win DC


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2005, 03:31:39 AM

LOL. No Republican- certainly not within my lifetime, and probably never- will carry DC. It doesn't matter if the Republican's a liberal and the Democrat's a conservative.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: TheWildCard on January 15, 2005, 03:33:35 AM
Chafee/Specter. I like Zell a lot but almost any ticket with Robert Byrd on it would not get my vote.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Sam Spade on January 15, 2005, 03:36:10 AM

Zell has always been extremely successful with black voters, this would certainly not be the case.  Besides, it's not like black voters are exactly eager to run away from a Southern Democrat to a Northeast Republican.

I would predict you would see a very similar map to Ford/Carter 1976, with some minor changes here and there.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 15, 2005, 04:29:41 AM
One question: why on earth would Robert Byrd (in the Senate since the '50's and still there...) be Zell Miller's (in the Senate since 2000. And no longer there) V.P?

First you have the seniority problem (yes, Byrd would see it like that) and then you have the fact that Byrd has always been fairly anti-Republican, something that can't really be said for Zell at the moment.

There's also some "fairly" large ideological differences between the two... on social issues I'd guess their views are similer, but economically?


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: WalterMitty on January 15, 2005, 09:58:02 AM
chafee/specter!  what a great ticket.  actually, id favor replacing specter with someone like susan collins.  specter suffers from dementia these days.  but im a big fan lincoln chafee.

miller+byrd=the perfect match.  byrd was in the kkk and still has no qualms about throwing around the 'n' word.  miller was chief of staff to one of the worst segregationists in american history, lester maddox.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Colin on January 15, 2005, 11:46:09 AM
One question: why on earth would Robert Byrd (in the Senate since the '50's and still there...) be Zell Miller's (in the Senate since 2000. And no longer there) V.P?

First you have the seniority problem (yes, Byrd would see it like that) and then you have the fact that Byrd has always been fairly anti-Republican, something that can't really be said for Zell at the moment.

There's also some "fairly" large ideological differences between the two... on social issues I'd guess their views are similer, but economically?

Well Zell Miller was Governor of Georgia for between 8 and 12 years before becoming Senator and was either a Senator or a Congressman before that and Lt. Gov. of Georgia.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: FerrisBueller86 on January 15, 2005, 01:58:46 PM
I would definitely vote for Chafee.

We can assume that the states that normally vote Democratic would vote for Chafee and that the states that normally vote Republican would vote for Miller.

Would any heavily Democratic or Republican states stick to the same party (which means voting for the different ideology in this case)?  Would Chafee be able to win in Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota as Republicans normally do, or would these states defect to the Democratic candidate?  Would Oregon and Washington vote for Miller or would they defect to Chafee?

Which states would be the battleground states?  The same battleground states as 2000 and 2004 or different states?


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 15, 2005, 02:12:55 PM
Chaffee-Specter


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 15, 2005, 04:07:10 PM
I am no fan of the fact that Robert Byrd being VP but Miller has my support.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: True Democrat on January 15, 2005, 04:22:30 PM
Here's my opinion of each candidate:

Chafee: Great republican, if I lived in Rhode Island, I would vote for him.
Specter: I actually supported him over Hoeffel.  I think he would be a great VP.
Miller: I can't stand him (see Republican convention).
Byrd: I guess I kind of like him, but the whole racist/KKK thing would stop me from ever voting for him.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: opebo on January 15, 2005, 04:24:36 PM
Here's my opinion of each candidate:

Chafee: Great republican, if I lived in Maine, I would vote for her.


Actually Lincoln Chafee is a guy, and is from Rhode Island, but you've got the right idea.  He's similar to Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: True Democrat on January 15, 2005, 04:25:18 PM
Here's my opinion of each candidate:

Chafee: Great republican, if I lived in Maine, I would vote for her.


Actually Lincoln Chafee is a guy, and is from Rhode Island, but you've got the right idea.  He's similar to Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine.

I feel stupid. . .








*runs away and hides*


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 15, 2005, 04:26:33 PM
Miller: I can stand him (see Republican convention).


You like Miller because of the GOP convention?


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: True Democrat on January 15, 2005, 04:29:37 PM
Miller: I can stand him (see Republican convention).


You like Miller because of the GOP convention?

Wow, I really messed up on that whole post, see the revised version.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2005, 07:03:09 PM
One question: why on earth would Robert Byrd (in the Senate since the '50's and still there...) be Zell Miller's (in the Senate since 2000. And no longer there) V.P?

First you have the seniority problem (yes, Byrd would see it like that) and then you have the fact that Byrd has always been fairly anti-Republican, something that can't really be said for Zell at the moment.

There's also some "fairly" large ideological differences between the two... on social issues I'd guess their views are similer, but economically?

The reason I put Byrd on the ticket is he is fairly socially  Conservative and would probably have appeal to socially Conservative Southern Republicans (along with Zell obviously) who would be turned off by having 2 socially liberal candidatees running on the Republican ticket.  Basically I was trying to come up with something that would be an inverse of what we have now.  Chaffe & Specter are the 2 most liberal Republicans out now


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: nclib on January 15, 2005, 07:06:26 PM
I'd vote Chafee/Specter.

Not sure who would win, though.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: WalterMitty on January 15, 2005, 08:17:22 PM
inviting zell to speak at the republican convention was truly a low point in the history of the party.

most of his speech was nonsensical garbage delivered with an annoying tone of voice.

and his post speech interview with chris matthews really illustrated  the weird and deranged zell.


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on January 15, 2005, 10:37:48 PM
Chaffee/Specter woohoo!


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 18, 2005, 06:58:05 AM
If Specter headed that ticket, yes but if not then Miller/Byrd

Dave


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Governor PiT on October 05, 2007, 01:18:38 AM
Miller/Byrd


Title: Re: Lincolin Chafee /Arlen Specter (R) vs Zell Miller/ Robert Byrd (D)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on October 05, 2007, 10:28:14 AM
Chafee would win, and I would vote for him.