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they can't stand the fact Tim Tebow is claiming to be a virgin.  instead, they want to deceive themselves into thinking "everyone is doing it"

It's more a case of Ashley Madison being upset with the NFL as a whole than with Tebow in particular. as they keep trying to associate themselves with the NFL and the NFL keeps saying they want nothing to do with them.  That said, it is understandable why AM would go after Tebow.  He exemplifies what the NFL would like the fans to believe all their players are like, when in truth few are.

Brother of Derek, any fool can see AM is primarily attacking Tebow because of his moral stance...which is why they are offerring any of Tebow's possible lovers, past present or future, $1M to undermine his witness of Jesus Christ.

No, it's a secondary motivation for AM, not a primary motivation.  If he weren't in the NFL, AM wouldn't care about him.

  ok, has AM gone after any NFL players, other than Tebow?

Tebow has denied the rumors that he is dating Taylor Swift and/or Katy Perry.

http://www.eonline.com/news/tim_tebow_denies_katy_perry_taylor/309047 (http://www.eonline.com/news/tim_tebow_denies_katy_perry_taylor/309047)

ok...it has to be brought up: I know Tebow is pro-life, but what is his opinion of the whole homosexual thingy?

Not that I know of, but all I am arguing is that AM's primary consideration for targeting Tebow is that he is an NFL player.  That he the NFL player with the biggest rep as a goody two-shoes only makes him the NFL player they are targeting.

Wouldn't NFL not want to have  a goody-two shoes image anyway in order to be more marketable?

He loves it.  In the locker room, in the shower, etc.

Yes, but despite that desire on the part of the league, not all NFL players have that image.  The image of an average NFL player is better than that of an average NBA player, but you still have people like Plaxico Burress and Ben Roethlisberger that are NFL players.

Good for them.

These people seriously need to get a life.

So NFL would benefit if a "moderate" scandal came out about Tebow(not something like Michael Vick).

Sorry, I misread you.  The NFL wants a goody-two shoes image.  The league wishes more players were like Tebow, not fewer.

Surely we can all agree that loads of people aren't doing it - the very unattractive, awkward, or shy might be likely candidates, but mainly the old.  And this impotence awaits us all, jmfcst.  I for one want to enjoy the apparatus while it still functions.

Why is that? I thought baseball took up that spot as the traditional American sport. I would think there is not a lot of room in the market for that image, more for the other.

Who cares? How is this something worth getting worked up about? Is it fear of a successful endeavor for these people? Or just outrage at the concept of young people forking?

Fear of it being successful is exactly why people are upset about it.

The two markets the NFL wants to bust in on are the MLB and NCAA Football in their quest to become the only sport on TV. Both those markets use the all-American theme ad-nauseum so that's the angle the NFL wants to take under Commissioner Moneybags. That's also why they're so excessive about making sure tackles aren't too mean and players are nice.


Of course, people just refuse to be honest with themselves in a conversation about their own issues with that dirty, dirty S word that NO ONE must partake in because it's just repulsive...it just happens to feel glorious and have absolutely nothing to do with anyone but the people doing it.

I for one could not care a single iota less about Tim effing Tebow playing "football", much less having sex.

They have a million dollars to throw around on something like this. I think they are living life just fine thank you very much.

I guess these people want to ruin the credibility of the best role model to come along in sports in a generation...

How is he a good role model? "Leaning on my faith means I don't have to be good at my job!"

As opposed to players like Brian Dawkins who quietly and respectfully channeled their faith for the benefit of their own play, their team, and their city. Or LeBron James, who raised $2 million for the Boys and Girls Club. Sports "role models" are an invention we use to further our favorites' reputations. There are tons of unpopular heroes and glorified assholes. It's all marketing.

Even if one considers him a good role model, what makes him a better role model than Kurt Warner or Philip Rivers or any of those evangelical types you see in football, to someone who takes that point of view (I certainly don't)? Tebow is all hype and marketing. He is popular because he isn't very good. Other football players are as religious or more religious.

Yeah... And so does jmfcst.

Tebow's an annoying attention whore, but this site is absolutely vile.

Tim Tebow is the most obvious closet case of any celebrity.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Tim Tebow is gay?

The only thing more annoying than Tebow fan boy are the douches that hate him for no reason other than that Fundies love him.

On the off chance this post is directed towards one of my stand-out negative posts, I actually don't mind the kid at all. I love the Broncos and wanted him to do well in the worst way. I was more bitter about the fact that he diddo well enough to build up my hopes for a miraculous playoff showing. I have a problem with the fact that he has become a mega-celebrity based solely on the fact that he's Christian. And that goes for both fans and haters. I actually feel bad for him being forced into an absurd situation.

Nah, it wasn't aimed at you.  It was a shotgun blast into the dark.


..and I agree with your assessment.  I certainly don't hate (or love) the guy.  He seems like a nice enough fellow and the situation his fans and haters have put him in isn't a great one...but he seems to be handling it well.

The entire time he was in Florida/Denver/NYC, he's never once been romantically linked to anyone, never been seen on a date with anyone.  That's when literally thousands of women would have at least gone out with him.  If he wants to stay a virgin, fine, but no good-looking super-succesful millionaire celebrity heterosexual man is going to refuse to ever date anyone at all.

If so inclined, he could have been hundreds of potential women at church.  Maybe he's asexual and not gay, but there ought to be some shred of evidence that he's straight if he is.

Baseball is living off of past glory, and it has long ceased to be the number one American sport.  Gridiron is number one, basketball is number two, with baseball fallen to number three, tho MLB can still be considered to be the number two pro sport.

I guess he is anti-gay marriage, but after the whole Carrie Prejean situation, no spotlight-notable person can no longer take a seemingly homophobic position. So he has his views about it shut down and quiet.

Do you think it will be #4 behind NHL eventually?

The MLS will more likely be #4 than the NHL is.

     I don't know about that. Latinos seem to prefer Latin American teams & just about nobody else watches soccer. San Francisco has a large Latino population & I'd still guess that NHL is bigger here than MLS. Of course, the success of the San Jose Sharks doesn't hurt with that.

This is what I would think. Seattle & Portland have biggest MLS following yet they are whitest cities in US.

Soccer, basketball and hockey are all pretty regional.  Basketball isn't big in the midwest unless you live right in a city with an NBA team or, to a lesser extent, a good college team.  Hockey isn't even on the radar of people south of, say, St.Louis, even in places with a team.  But it's a pretty big deal in most northern big cities with a team.  Baseball and football have fans everywhere.  There might not be a ton of baseball fans, but they are out there.  We don't have a MLB team in Omaha, but baseball is still pretty popular here (the college World Series helps), but basketball and soccer are nonexistent.....unless Creighton's basketball team is good.  We are all about College football here (oddly, the college team in town was recently forced to stop playing by the bigger school in Lincoln) St.Louis is a huge hockey town, the Blues rival the Rams in popularity, of course nothing compares to the Cardinals...but St.Louis is a baseball town.

As far as I can tell, as far as sport popularity goes nationally....
NFL





college football

MLB



NBA
NASCAR
college basketball

golf (if Tiger is involved)





NHL






tennis


MLS
WNBA

That isn't entirely true, here in my city of Houston we have a lot of Latinos, and they mostly like the Dynamo over Latin Am. teams. Plus there's a lot of Whites at those Dynamo games.

what situation, exactly, has his fans put him in?

what was the Carrie Prejean situation?

it would be quite entertaining to see how the NFL would react to Tebow giving a sermon in a church as a quest speaker and preaching against homosexuality.

Ice hockey is limited by climate, even without the effects of climate change.  There is no chance of ice hockey in the south ever being more than a niche youth sport for the kids of well-off nostalgic parents from colder climes.  I'd put soccer as the number four team sport right now, though the NHL is more important than MLS.  That said, if soccer rises to the point of being more important than baseball is, it'll be because of baseball's collapse, not soccer's rise.  Things would have to change considerably for pro-level soccer to rise above the status of a mid-major because the way in which pro sports in this country is organized is so different from the relegation/promotion paradigm used elsewhere.

that was a stretch. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_USA_2009_controversy

I guarantee you ever since this happened, it would be pretty hard for anyone notable like Tim Tebow to be publicly anti-gay marriage.

The uncomfortable position of being on a team that has repeatedly said you were the third string QB, would, hopefully, NEVER be the starter, have named a starting and backup QB...yet the fans keep chanting your name.  The fans are so annoying about it, that the team has to bring one of the best QBs of all time and trade you to shut them up (and it still didn't shut all of them up).  Now he's in NY, a tough situation for many an athlete, backing up a QB who has been in and out of the "hot seat" for his entire career.  Now, I'm not saying it's the most uncomfortable position in sport or that he (I almost feel it should be "He") can't handle it, I'm just saying it's a position that isn't an easy one.

     It's probably just regional differences. When I go to hispanic restaurants, I typically see Latin American soccer on the television, with NFL being common in January. Never seen MLS there.