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Title: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: tpfkaw on May 02, 2012, 07:26:23 pm
It has come to my attention that Straha, an integral person in this forum's history and an intelligent and amusing poster, was today banned for no [good?] reason.  There is no reason to "automatically" ban him; he (contrary to popular belief) was never actually banned, merely accidentally locked out of his account until recently.  He did create several new accounts due to being locked out, but none of them ever claimed to be anyone else or denied being Straha when asked, and several other members (most recently Mechaman) have created new accounts due to being locked out of their old one.

It's very much ridiculous to treat any forumite, especially a well-liked regular, in this way.  Unban him!

x wormyguy


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: k-onmmunist on May 02, 2012, 07:27:36 pm
x Windis

FREE STRAHA


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: LastVoter on May 02, 2012, 07:29:10 pm
x Seatown


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Phony Moderate on May 02, 2012, 07:35:13 pm
X Obamaisdabest/JGL


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Cath on May 02, 2012, 07:36:00 pm
X Cathcon


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Napoleon on May 02, 2012, 07:36:28 pm
X Napoleon

Whoever did this should be ashamed.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: GM R2D2 on May 02, 2012, 07:37:20 pm
x20RP12

This is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 02, 2012, 09:45:40 pm
X BRTD

I mean he returned under his original account, not a sock. There is no precedent to ban him.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 02, 2012, 10:13:03 pm
x20RP12

This is ridiculous.

You're new ... what the hell are you signing thisfor?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 02, 2012, 10:21:24 pm
Because he realizes how much of an awesome legendary poster Straha is?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Napoleon on May 02, 2012, 10:38:48 pm
x20RP12

This is ridiculous.

You're new ... what the hell are you signing thisfor?

What does being a newer poster have to do with opposing an idiotic ban? I am sure he of all people would be against banning posters for stupid reasons considering what happened to him. Why was Straha banned?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 02, 2012, 10:47:56 pm
I too am a little surprised by this development, but certainly don't mind.  I remember well the headaches he caused to this forum, including Dave, who actually wrote a pretty lengthy post in the Mod board about the trouble he was causing him.

There doesn't need to be a 'precedent' for this type of thing; Straha was a useless spammer who recycled whatever memes he could find on 4chan and dumped them here.  Good riddance.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 02, 2012, 10:52:54 pm
x20RP12

This is ridiculous.

You're new ... what the hell are you signing thisfor?

What does being a newer poster have to do with opposing an idiotic ban? I am sure he of all people would be against banning posters for stupid reasons considering what happened to him. Why was Straha banned?

Because he has no clue about why he was originally banned.  I'm fairly confident Jake hasn't researched the circumstances surrounding Straha's original account.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: tpfkaw on May 02, 2012, 11:03:04 pm
Straha wasn't originally banned (hence, why he was here with his original account).  And while he certainly can be unoriginal at times he definitely doesn't "recycle memes from 4chan."


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 02, 2012, 11:05:15 pm
Yes, if Straha was banned he'd have to create a new sock. He was not banned, and there is no reason to ban him. Did he even accumulate any death points at all?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Napoleon on May 02, 2012, 11:08:12 pm
x20RP12

This is ridiculous.

You're new ... what the hell are you signing thisfor?

What does being a newer poster have to do with opposing an idiotic ban? I am sure he of all people would be against banning posters for stupid reasons considering what happened to him. Why was Straha banned?

Because he has no clue about why he was originally banned.  I'm fairly confident Jake hasn't researched the circumstances surrounding Straha's original account.

Why was he originally banned? I don't know the circumstances either but wormyguy indicates he was never banned. The Forum seemed to welcome his return. I'll ask again: why was Straha banned before, unbanned and allowed to return, and banned this week?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 02, 2012, 11:11:15 pm
He was never "originally banned".


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: The Mikado on May 02, 2012, 11:17:16 pm
Guys, is there some sort of FOIA for ancient posts on the Mod Board?  Would I be in trouble if I post that post from Dave from November 2007 here in this thread?  


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 02, 2012, 11:32:45 pm
Dave put him on mod review for 365 days*; Straha circumvented that a couple of times with sock accounts.  The socks were of course banned, but Dave decided to maintain the mod review on the original account.  By the time it expired, Straha had already decided to give up and leave.

Circumventing Dave's actions in that way on more than one occasion is probably enough grounds for a ban.


* After putting him on mod review for a week and then a month, IIRC.  No idea why he didn't just ban him then, but you know Dave.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Pingvin on May 03, 2012, 09:03:05 am
X Pingvin


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Mechaman on May 03, 2012, 09:21:05 am
X Mechaman

The double standard is ridiculous.

I mean my god, do you guys love being unforgiving douches?  Straha was gone for like three f***ing years.  THREE F***ING YEARS!  He wasn't even banned damn it!


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: ... on May 03, 2012, 09:33:41 am
XGrumpy Gramps

Mod review wasn't sufficient to determine if he was going to be trouble after years away?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 09:50:17 am
To my Friends...and everyone else,

I'm getting the bad feeling, again...the feeling the jmfcst gets right after someone is banned, and right before he is inevitably served a 20-30 death point sandwich worth of collateral damage.

So, please.  Help preserve my life by avoiding your own execution; being aware that for your sake, the jmfcst faces death all day long.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 09:56:12 am
Circumventing Dave's actions in that way on more than one occasion is probably enough grounds for a ban.

but he circumvented Dave's actions 3 years ago, and even though at that time Dave had knowledge of his circumvention, Dave didn't ban him.

So, if Dave didn't ban him 3 years ago for these actions, why is he being banned now for actions that were already penalized?

Sounds like double jeopardy to me.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 09:58:28 am
Sounds like double jeopardy to me.

also, a statute of limitations has been applied several times before on this forum (e.g. someone will quote an old post of mine from years back and then report it, but the Mods will refuse to infract it due to the infraction having taken place prior to the new rules).


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Napoleon on May 03, 2012, 09:59:44 am
The mods are about Dave's vision, haha, until Dave has apparently decided not to ban someone.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: AndrewTX on May 03, 2012, 10:04:12 am
LOL to this.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 10:16:45 am
ya'll do realize, that instead of a flame war (fun as those may be), we do have a chance to turn this into a legal discussion concerning:

a) double jeopardy (Dave already dealt with Straha's antics 3 years ago)
b) The Mods are trying to institute an ex post facto law (Straha's actions took place prior to new rules, yet the Mods are attempting to penalize previous actions under the new rules)
c) statute of limitations (actions were 3 years ago)

I think Straha has pretty good grounds for appeal.  And I think Straha will win his appeal if he has the tack-sharp legal mind of the jmfcst representing him...even though the jmfcst will probably end up kicking Straha's ass at some point down the road.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: tpfkaw on May 03, 2012, 10:20:51 am
ya'll do realize, that instead of a flame war (fun as those may be), we do have a chance to turn this into a legal discussion concerning:

a) double jeopardy (Dave already dealt with Straha's antics 3 years ago)
b) The Mods are trying to institute an ex post facto law (Straha's actions took place prior to new rules, yet the Mods are attempting to penalize previous actions under the new rules)
c) statute of limitations (actions were 3 years ago)

I think Straha has pretty good grounds for appeal.  And I think Straha will win his appeal if he has the tack-sharp legal mind of the jmfcst representing him...even though the jmfcst will probably end up kicking Straha's ass at some point down the road.

Not only that, but he was *locked out of his account,* so the only thing he could do to stay was create a new one, and it's within the realm of possibility he didn't even know about the mod review (or that it was meant for a year rather than a week, as usual).


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 10:25:55 am
a) double jeopardy (Dave already dealt with Straha's antics 3 years ago)
b) The Mods are trying to institute an ex post facto law (Straha's actions took place prior to new rules, yet the Mods are attempting to penalize previous actions under the new rules)
c) statute of limitations (actions were 3 years ago)

adding a fourth grounds for appeal:

d) legal precedent - the mods have previously honored the statute of limitations (e.g. someone will quote an old post of mine from years back and then report it, but the Mods will refuse to infract it due to the infraction having taken place prior to the new rules)

(Note to Straha - I do case work pro bono; though I do, however, charge a mandatory retention fee.)


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 10:26:28 am
The funny thing is the excuse Inks used for why Kalwejt was never punished for his sock, the "statute of limitations" had expired.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on May 03, 2012, 10:26:49 am
X Nathan, for all the reasons that the others have already stated, even though I obviously don't remember him from before.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 10:30:44 am
Not only that, but he was *locked out of his account,* so the only thing he could do to stay was create a new one, and it's within the realm of possibility he didn't even know about the mod review (or that it was meant for a year rather than a week, as usual).

shhhhhh...our case will be based on arguing the law, and not the facts of Straha's ignorance.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 10:41:14 am
The funny thing is the excuse Inks used for why Kalwejt was never punished for his sock, the "statute of limitations" had expired.

Did Kalwejt create his sock more recently than Straha created his?  If so, obviously if the statute of limitations had expired on Kalwejt's sock, then they certainly have also expired on Straha's sock.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: © tweed on May 03, 2012, 10:55:33 am
not going to sign, but I will note that the period of near-total Moderator-community peace that dates back to the Inks-shuts-the-Deluge firestorm and backlash shows signs of ebbing.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Sbane on May 03, 2012, 11:01:51 am
While I am glad Straha is banned, this does set a bad precedent.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 03, 2012, 11:08:46 am
The mods are discussing this.  The lack of moderator input so far shouldn't be construed to mean that we're ignoring this, just that we're having a discussion at the moment.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 03, 2012, 11:29:24 am
not going to sign, but I will note that the period of near-total Moderator-community peace that dates back to the Inks-shuts-the-Deluge firestorm and backlash shows signs of ebbing.

I noticed the lull, myself.   But, as in most totalitarian regimes, periodic massacres are necessary for the regime to retain its grip on power through the use of terror.

It certainly has been interesting to watch how many members of the Mod team seem to be have their menstrual cycles in phase synchronization.  Of course, some members – not naming names – seem to always be on the rag.

And the Straha case has the potential to flow rivers of blood, seeing how the Mods have painted themselves into a corner with a very weak case.  Either they will take a whole bottle of Midol and drop the case, or they will bunker down in their usual stubbornness and push a weak case which will force them to kill many witnesses, including the most vocal leaders of the Resistance.

So, either the lull will be reinstated, or we’re gonna need a lot of body bags, maybe even for ourselves.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: The Mikado on May 03, 2012, 11:45:57 am
So, yeah, I know I really shouldn't leak from the Mod Board, but look at the timestamp.  This post is close to five years old.  I think it's past the Statue of Limitations:

Hi,
This has been a tough call for me - As you know, I tend to be very lenient in my administration of the forum (to the dismay of some and to the pleasure of others) - I believe in multiple chances to reform -> Straha is on the boundary of bannable action - his postings are rarely in the obvious ban category, but many push the envelope.  I receive a lot of "report to moderator" postings when he was off-moderated action.  I placed him on 30 day moderation, his posting quality improved for those posts I read / approved.  Then it deteriorated again, more reports -> I placed him on 30 day moderated posting again -> same thing - short term improvement, followed by the expiration and return to previous posting style.  Then I placed him on longer ("indefinite") moderated posting so that I might follow his posts -> I didn't mean for him to get the information that the duration is 365 days - I made a mistake in posting this information -> I really meant it to be "back on moderated posting".   My actions tend to be driven by feedback from the community - followed by my judgement in considering the offending posts.  As for [Redacted]'s argument with regard to action against other posters - the bottom line is that there are rarely posts by those members that have been reported to me.  I read what is reported and therefore don't always have the big picture of the heartbeat of forum issues (this board is to help the moderators and myself sort out problems as they occur).

Thanks for your help and comments - open communications and points are important to me for allowing this forum to run smoothly.
Thanks,
Dave


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: A Strange Reflection on May 03, 2012, 12:52:11 pm
X Antonio V

Yeah, this really makes no sense.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 03, 2012, 12:56:16 pm
So, yeah, I know I really shouldn't leak from the Mod Board, but look at the timestamp.  This post is close to five years old.  I think it's past the Statue of Limitations:

Hi,
This has been a tough call for me - As you know, I tend to be very lenient in my administration of the forum (to the dismay of some and to the pleasure of others) - I believe in multiple chances to reform -> Straha is on the boundary of bannable action - his postings are rarely in the obvious ban category, but many push the envelope.  I receive a lot of "report to moderator" postings when he was off-moderated action.  I placed him on 30 day moderation, his posting quality improved for those posts I read / approved.  Then it deteriorated again, more reports -> I placed him on 30 day moderated posting again -> same thing - short term improvement, followed by the expiration and return to previous posting style.  Then I placed him on longer ("indefinite") moderated posting so that I might follow his posts -> I didn't mean for him to get the information that the duration is 365 days - I made a mistake in posting this information -> I really meant it to be "back on moderated posting".   My actions tend to be driven by feedback from the community - followed by my judgement in considering the offending posts.  As for [Redacted]'s argument with regard to action against other posters - the bottom line is that there are rarely posts by those members that have been reported to me.  I read what is reported and therefore don't always have the big picture of the heartbeat of forum issues (this board is to help the moderators and myself sort out problems as they occur).

Thanks for your help and comments - open communications and points are important to me for allowing this forum to run smoothly.
Thanks,
Dave

For the record, I agree.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Simfan34 on May 03, 2012, 01:17:04 pm
Based solely on his "advice" to Bushie, maintain the ban.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: GM R2D2 on May 03, 2012, 01:20:04 pm
x20RP12

This is ridiculous.

You're new ... what the hell are you signing thisfor?

What does being a newer poster have to do with opposing an idiotic ban? I am sure he of all people would be against banning posters for stupid reasons considering what happened to him. Why was Straha banned?

Because he has no clue about why he was originally banned.  I'm fairly confident Jake hasn't researched the circumstances surrounding Straha's original account.

True.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Gustaf on May 03, 2012, 02:51:22 pm
It has come to my attention that Straha, an integral person in this forum's history and an intelligent and amusing poster, was today banned for no [good?] reason.  There is no reason to "automatically" ban him; he (contrary to popular belief) was never actually banned, merely accidentally locked out of his account until recently.  He did create several new accounts due to being locked out, but none of them ever claimed to be anyone else or denied being Straha when asked, and several other members (most recently Mechaman) have created new accounts due to being locked out of their old one.

It's very much ridiculous to treat any forumite, especially a well-liked regular, in this way.  Unban him!

x wormyguy

You lost me at "intelligent and amusing poster".


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: opebo on May 03, 2012, 03:13:59 pm
x opebo


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 09:27:07 pm
So let's look at the timeline:

-Straha is put on mod review in 2007.
-Straha makes at least one sock account to circumvent it.
-Dave bans the sock but makes the choice to not ban the main account.
-Straha's mod review expires.
-Straha returns under his original account.
-Straha is banned.

As jmfcst noted, we're dealing not just with statute of limitations, but double jeopardy, Straha was already found "guilty" of creating the sock and was given the penalty of continued mod review and a banned account. It is not legitimate to ban him after the fact because some mods think Dave didn't go far enough. In fact that also brings up issues of a "lower court" overruling the "Supreme Court". There is simply no legally valid argument for the banning of Straha, not even "Dave's forum Dave's rules" as it wasn't Dave who banned him and in fact Dave seemed to make a clear decision NOT to do so.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: LastVoter on May 03, 2012, 09:29:52 pm
The mods are discussing this.  The lack of moderator input so far shouldn't be construed to mean that we're ignoring this, just that we're having a discussion at the moment.
Everyone praise the progressive policy of our mods!


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: The Mikado on May 03, 2012, 09:43:07 pm
-Straha makes at least one sock account to circumvent it.
-Dave bans the sock but makes the choice to not ban the main account.

Without agreeing/disagreeing, I'll just make a minor clarification: Straha creates two sock accounts (Havelock Vetinari and donut4mccain).


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 09:43:58 pm
-Straha makes at least one sock account to circumvent it.
-Dave bans the sock but makes the choice to not ban the main account.

Without agreeing/disagreeing, I'll just make a minor clarification: Straha creates two sock accounts (Havelock Vetinari and donut4mccain).

OK well point remains that Dave did not ban the main account.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: © tweed on May 03, 2012, 11:05:06 pm
BRTD has made a solid case.  xTweed


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 03, 2012, 11:12:56 pm
OK well point remains that Dave did not ban the main account.

Which he should have.  And would have too, if he had been in any way involved in day to day forum activity.

Anyway, Dave has abdicated his role as chief moderator in favor of Nym, who arguably has the power to retroactively overrule Dave on certain moderation decisions.

You guys talk about 'precedent' and 'statute of limitations' like this is an actual court of law.  Not only is this a private internet forum with its own set of rules, but it's just a freakin' internet forum.  Quit whining like he was a goddamn martyr.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 11:22:42 pm
So if Straha had begun regularly posting again once his mod review expired and continued to be a regular poster from thereon it would be acceptable to ban him as soon as Nym was granted the modadmin powers?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 03, 2012, 11:25:20 pm
So if Straha had begun regularly posting again once his mod review expired and continued to be a regular poster from thereon it would be acceptable to ban him as soon as Nym was granted the modadmin powers?

Define 'regular poster'.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 11:28:10 pm
Someone who posts on a regular basis, as he did prior to his mod review.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 03, 2012, 11:30:27 pm
Ok, I thought so.  Given that it was Straha, who proved that three separate bouts of mod review (at exponentially increasing terms) did absolutely nothing to change his behavior, yeah of course.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Oakvale on May 03, 2012, 11:31:31 pm
I don't know Straha or much care about these masturbatory crusades some people go on every time there's a controversial banning, but it seems fairly obvious from reading this thread that Dave didn't want Straha around and, if he was active in moderating this place, would presuambly have banned him when he reappeared, non? ???


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 11:33:53 pm
Ok, I thought so.  Given that it was Straha, who proved that three separate bouts of mod review (at exponentially increasing terms) did absolutely nothing to change his behavior, yeah of course.

But he did upon his return, where I doubt he accumulated a single death point.

I don't know Straha or much care about these masturbatory crusades some people go on every time there's a controversial banning, but it seems fairly obvious from reading this thread that Dave didn't want Straha around and, if he was active in moderating this place, would presuambly have banned him when he reappeared, non? ???

So why did Dave not ban him? Remember that Dave did ban Deano earlier that year so he clearly had precedent for doing so.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 03, 2012, 11:40:56 pm
oakie you obviously don't realize Straha's influence on forum culture. It's up there with opebo's and Tweed's. Just for starters he popularized "epic fail" amongst the forum.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 03, 2012, 11:43:57 pm
Ok, I thought so.  Given that it was Straha, who proved that three separate bouts of mod review (at exponentially increasing terms) did absolutely nothing to change his behavior, yeah of course.

But he did upon his return, where I doubt he accumulated a single death point.

Personally I saw no evidence of that, and frankly I wouldn't have felt like waiting around to find out.  He was a pain in everyone's collective asses for like two years (including yours, hilariously enough).  He had it coming.

I don't know Straha or much care about these masturbatory crusades some people go on every time there's a controversial banning, but it seems fairly obvious from reading this thread that Dave didn't want Straha around and, if he was active in moderating this place, would presuambly have banned him when he reappeared, non? ???

So why did Dave not ban him? Remember that Dave did ban Deano earlier that year so he clearly had precedent for doing so.

"Precedent" again.

Need I remind you that Dave's approach to banning posters was scattershot, to put it charitably.  He didn't really know who 95% of posters were.

oakie you obviously don't realize Straha's influence on forum culture. It's up there with opebo's and Tweed's. Just for starters he popularized "epic fail" amongst the forum.

4chan memes eventually make their way to the rest of the internet, you know.

Also, LOL if you think any of those three sentences are helping your case.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 04, 2012, 12:46:22 am
Ok, I thought so.  Given that it was Straha, who proved that three separate bouts of mod review (at exponentially increasing terms) did absolutely nothing to change his behavior, yeah of course.

But he did upon his return, where I doubt he accumulated a single death point.

I don't know Straha or much care about these masturbatory crusades some people go on every time there's a controversial banning, but it seems fairly obvious from reading this thread that Dave didn't want Straha around and, if he was active in moderating this place, would presuambly have banned him when he reappeared, non? ???

So why did Dave not ban him? Remember that Dave did ban Deano earlier that year so he clearly had precedent for doing so.

Honestly, it's very possible it slipped his mind to go back to ban the account since it seemed like Straha wasn't posting from it anymore and wouldn't in the future.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: GM R2D2 on May 04, 2012, 05:17:26 am
I love learning about forum history.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 04, 2012, 09:35:41 am
oakie you obviously don't realize Straha's influence on forum culture. It's up there with opebo's and Tweed's. Just for starters he popularized "epic fail" amongst the forum.

damn, bro, you SUCK as a public defender


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 04, 2012, 10:13:35 am
Look you can't say "Oh but Dave should've banned Straha anyway" or "He probably intended to but forgot". The latter doesn't look likely at all since he DID ban the socks, so why simply overlook the main Straha account? It makes no sense to wait until that account finished mod review and then ban it.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Simfan34 on May 04, 2012, 11:41:07 am
Internet forums are ultimately dictatorships of the domain holders. Remember that.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: © tweed on May 04, 2012, 12:34:46 pm
Internet forums are ultimately dictatorships of the domain holders. Remember that.

they are ultimately the product of the relations between the users/community and the ownership and its representatives.  Dave (partially) funds the site through contributions by not a few of us, at a most base level.  and beyond that the site's vitality has much to do with the membership; so such a hands-in-the-air fatalism is misplaced.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 04, 2012, 12:56:13 pm
Look you can't say "Oh but Dave should've banned Straha anyway" or "He probably intended to but forgot". The latter doesn't look likely at all since he DID ban the socks, so why simply overlook the main Straha account? It makes no sense to wait until that account finished mod review and then ban it.

I'm not saying that we should ban him because he overlooked it.  I'm saying it's likely that he did overlook it (based on past actions he's taken with other sock accounts).  But until we have proof that that's what happened, I think Straha needs to be unbanned.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 04, 2012, 01:01:45 pm
 Dave (partially) funds the site through contributions by not a few of us, at a most base level...

come again?  members of this forum help Dave fund this site?   Is that why I haven't been promoted to modship, because I haven't greased the wheels?



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: tpfkaw on May 04, 2012, 01:12:39 pm
Dave (partially) funds the site through contributions by not a few of us, at a most base level...

come again?  members of this forum help Dave fund this site?   Is that why I haven't been promoted to modship, because I haven't greased the wheels?

Dave sells more detailed election data that he's compiled.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Mechaman on May 04, 2012, 01:21:48 pm
Am I the only person who finds the man behind BIGBLACKCOCK defending the banning of Straha to be entirely hypocritical?

Seriously Joe, you have no MORAL basis to be saying that Straha deserved to be banned.  Especially three years later.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 04, 2012, 01:30:44 pm
I don't recall spamming the forum with useless 4chan memes for two years.  ???


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: ... on May 04, 2012, 01:35:38 pm
Whether I agree with Joe or not I always respect his position on these matters since he hardly wages jihad against posters.....


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Scott Inman (D) OK Gov 2018 on May 04, 2012, 01:56:54 pm
I know that we were comparing apples and oranges, but if jamespol and texasindy came back under their original accounts, everyone would be calling for their heads (and probably my head since I am friends with them off the forum).


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 04, 2012, 01:59:58 pm
I know that we were comparing apples and oranges, but if jamespol and texasindy came back under their original accounts, everyone would be calling for their heads (and probably my head since I am friends with them off the forum).

Both of their original accounts were banned.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 04, 2012, 02:08:33 pm
Texasindy wasn't banned.  She just wanted to be.

Which basically proves the scattershot and inconsistent nature of Dave's moderation*, which no longer exists under Nym.


* Whose primary interest is and always has been the site's content.  I've never blamed him for not getting so involved in the forum.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 04, 2012, 02:16:56 pm
I thought Dave did finally ban her after she went nuts with spamming the forum to have her account deleted.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 04, 2012, 02:30:37 pm
I thought Dave did finally ban her after she went nuts with spamming the forum to have her account deleted.

No. (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=57047.msg1188068#msg1188068)


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 04, 2012, 02:32:43 pm
I thought Dave did finally ban her after she went nuts with spamming the forum to have her account deleted.

No. (http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=57047.msg1188068#msg1188068)

I thought he did it after that sometime.  Apparently not, and I stand corrected.  Thanks for the link though.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 04, 2012, 02:33:02 pm
I think the primary points are being missed here:  Straha is being banned for something he 1) did prior to the new rules, and 2) already received punishment for.

It would be different if it was now revealed that he was hacking the forum 3 years ago...but the actions he is being banned for aren't news.

Now, granted, I don't remember Straha, and therefore don't know him from Adam...so I don't really care if he is banned.  But, I find this whole episode rather entertaining in the fact the Mods feel like it is imperative to ban him...even though banning him would create inconsistency of application (in that a statute of limitations in other cases was previously invoked and utilized by the Mods), instead of consistency.

Just another case of the Mods having a chip on their shoulder, and the more we point out the weakness of their case, the bigger the chip gets.  And right now the weight of that chip is becoming very painful to the Mods.

The suspense is terribly entertaining.  I hope it'll last.

 


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 04, 2012, 03:11:00 pm
jmfcst, I thought you said you were going to stop trolling.  Have you really given up that resolution already?

Come on, dude, you can disagree with moderation activities, but don't be so condescending when you do it - it makes you look bad.

Also, I love how you're making it sound like the mods are in unison here.  It's as if you've ignored half of this thread.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 04, 2012, 03:25:31 pm
It is such a buzz kill to have to explain myself, but here goes:

Inks, as I explained to Joe, I am an entertainer.

Allow a little space for method actors.  Besides, we are all political junkies, interested in law, so naturally we are going to invoke our inner lawyer in disputes involving the TOS.

It's not personal, it's just that the script requires we act like it is.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Simfan34 on May 04, 2012, 04:27:29 pm
Internet forums are ultimately dictatorships of the domain holders. Remember that.

they are ultimately the product of the relations between the users/community and the ownership and its representatives.  Dave (partially) funds the site through contributions by not a few of us, at a most base level.  and beyond that the site's vitality has much to do with the membership; so such a hands-in-the-air fatalism is misplaced.

Fatalism? You should know me better than that by now.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Torie on May 04, 2012, 09:17:06 pm
Is there any schedule of punishments between 1) death points 2) mod review, and 3) a permanent ban?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Vice President PiT on May 04, 2012, 11:54:18 pm
     X PiT (The Physicist)


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 04, 2012, 11:57:20 pm
It seems Joe's the only one who wants him banned.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Sbane on May 05, 2012, 12:19:44 am
Think about it this way guys, straha would have been banned anyways. The mods just took a shortcut. Whatever I remember of him (around the 2008 elections) is that he cam across as a giant douche. I empathize with the mods in wanting to pre-emptively take him out.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 05, 2012, 12:41:36 am
Straha was actually significantly better behaved than many current posters, and some posters that took forever to ban such as the one referred to as "a certain Bakersfield resident".


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Eraserhead on May 05, 2012, 05:28:45 am
X Eraserhead

Hopefully he'll be allowed to return and he can tell the mods: "Good, you heeled." :P


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Paul Kemp on May 05, 2012, 12:27:53 pm
It seems Joe's the only one who wants him banned.

I concur with the gentleman from Nevada.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 05, 2012, 03:02:17 pm
It seems Joe's the only one who wants him banned.

In the discussion going on in the Mod board right now, the vote is currently 6-1.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not the 1.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: GM R2D2 on May 05, 2012, 03:42:02 pm
It seems Joe's the only one who wants him banned.

In the discussion going on in the Mod board right now, the vote is currently 6-1.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not the 1.

6-1 to unban him or keep him banned?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: © tweed on May 05, 2012, 04:16:04 pm
It seems Joe's the only one who wants him banned.

In the discussion going on in the Mod board right now, the vote is currently 6-1.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not the 1.

6-1 to unban him or keep him banned?

really you don't have the reading comp skills to read between the lines?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: GM R2D2 on May 05, 2012, 04:24:32 pm
It seems Joe's the only one who wants him banned.

In the discussion going on in the Mod board right now, the vote is currently 6-1.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not the 1.

6-1 to unban him or keep him banned?

really you don't have the reading comp skills to read between the lines?

My bad.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Torie on May 05, 2012, 04:46:16 pm
Given the unrest, it might be a useful and healing exercise after the mods have made a final decision, to post their findings of fact and conclusions of law as it were, that went into the making of their decision. It may be as simple as well, the current rules are that if you are banned, you are never coming back, and until that rule is changed, it is inappropriate to start cherry picking on the fly. (Yes, I know, Straha was not technically banned, but I assume the mods have made a finding that that was a mere ministerial error.) Or it may be more complex. It is particularly appropriate here, because so few know the poster's prior rap sheet, since they were not here then.

Sorry in advance that my suggestion does entail another chore for the mods. Stuff happens.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Nym90 on May 05, 2012, 05:15:04 pm
He's been banned for being a troll who had multiple opportunities to reform and made several sock accounts to circumvent his prior mod review.

Yes, his original account was never banned by Dave. However, unless Dave says otherwise, I'm operating on the assumption that this was a mere oversight (since he hadn't attempted to post from that account in quite some time).

I would also note that his postings upon his return did little to support the notion that he had reformed.

If anyone would like to appeal this decision, feel free to email Dave directly and state your case.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Eraserhead on May 05, 2012, 11:45:22 pm
Given the unrest, it might be a useful and healing exercise after the mods have made a final decision, to post their findings of fact and conclusions of law as it were, that went into the making of their decision.

 Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 06, 2012, 07:47:41 am
Basically no one who was a mod at the time wants him back. End of. You'd have better luck campaigning for some of the other weirdos who've been banned over the years.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Vermin Supreme on May 06, 2012, 04:57:27 pm
X Henry Clay





Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 10:56:24 am
Yes, his original account was never banned by Dave. However, unless Dave says otherwise, I'm operating on the assumption that this was a mere oversight

Mere oversight?!  I've never heard a judge use that one.  Though I do love it when I come in here on Monday mornings and find another head in the basket.

Are you sure this ruling wasn't merely an attempt to disagree with his notorious lawyer, who will remain unnamed?

Also, there must be several posters on here who weren't aborted prior to birth due to oversight (but perhaps not mere oversight).  Maybe the Mods could identify such individuals by taking a pool on which posters were unloved by their mothers.  Perhaps, whether or not they were breastfed or merely bottlefed could help in your targeting.

In any case, here is a song dedication to Straha: the late former Atlas poster:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JdfiJ60DNg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JdfiJ60DNg)


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Torie on May 07, 2012, 11:48:00 am
Mere ministerial error is a concept well embedded in Anglo Saxon jurisprudence jmfcst.  Trust me.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 11:58:46 am
Mere ministerial error is a concept well embedded in Anglo Saxon jurisprudence jmfcst.  Trust me.

so that's why they used that term?  tricky.  2 points for the Mods.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 12:05:10 pm
I can see ministerial error being used to render proper punishment such as the proper fine for speeding, etc....but has ministerial error ever been used to condemn someone to death?

"yo, we forgot to kill you 3 years ago, our bad...so we are now re-arresting you, please step up to the gallows!"


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Torie on May 07, 2012, 12:16:13 pm
I can see ministerial error being used to render proper punishment such as the proper fine for speeding, etc....but has ministerial error ever been used to condemn someone to death?

"yo, we forgot to kill you 3 years ago, our bad...so we are now re-arresting you, please step up to the gallows!"

Well there might be a possible defense of cruel and unusual punishment, but otherwise the guy should be planning upon whom he wants to bunk with in heaven.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 01:26:47 pm
Well there might be a possible defense of cruel and unusual punishment

no, I would mount a defense of double jeopardy (he already served the sentence previously handed down).  If someone was sentenced for one year, then completely that one year sentence and walked free for 2 years.  It's a little strange to have a new judge rearrest him and impose the "proper" sentence.

But, like I stated, I don't remember the guy.



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Torie on May 07, 2012, 01:46:43 pm
Well there might be a possible defense of cruel and unusual punishment

no, I would mount a defense of double jeopardy (he already served the sentence previously handed down).  If someone was sentenced for one year, then completely that one year sentence and walked free for 2 years.  It's a little strange to have a new judge rearrest him and impose the "proper" sentence.

But, like I stated, I don't remember the guy.



Well the guy could file a writ of habeas corpus, but you know what Lincoln did with the one  Chief Justice Taney granted don't you? 


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 01:49:22 pm
If anyone would like to appeal this decision, feel free to email Dave directly and state your case.

you must know that saying "feel free to email Dave directly" is tantamount to giving us The Finger.   One might as well sacrifice 100 bulls to Baal.

the onus of appeal should have been on the Mod team (the Mods should have appealed the original sentence), before exposing a poster to double jeopardy for something that 1) happened 3 years ago, 2) was already judged and sentenced, 3) sentence was served.

where is the due diligence, why are you "operating on the assumption that this was a mere oversight" when you, above everyone else on the forum, have opportunity to query The Dave?

[edited for constructiveness]


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: ... on May 07, 2012, 01:51:11 pm
Seriously jmf......isn't that enough?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 01:54:55 pm
Well the guy could file a writ of habeas corpus, but you know what Lincoln did with the one  Chief Justice Taney granted don't you? 

well, Lincoln did take drastic actions during a time of war, which only proves the point the Mods regularly operate as if there were an existential threat to the Forum that must be destroyed.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 01:56:18 pm
Seriously jmf......isn't that enough?

ok, I'll digress


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Torie on May 07, 2012, 02:06:44 pm
Seriously jmf......isn't that enough?

ok, I'll digress

Digress into what? :P  "Desist" is the ticket here. Sometimes one just doesn't get one's way. Heck that still even happens to me sometimes, although I try to make that as rare as possible. :)


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 07, 2012, 02:34:45 pm
Digress into what? :P  "Desist" is the ticket here.

look, I know the Mod team doesn't like dissent from posters and wishes we cease and desist, but some of that same dissent has helped make the Mod team more "moderate". 


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Eraserhead on May 07, 2012, 05:24:32 pm
I feel you should continue, jmfcst.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: ... on May 07, 2012, 07:53:22 pm
I feel you should continue, jmfcst.

What, being a rambling fool helps, E.  C'mon


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Psychic Octopus on May 07, 2012, 09:05:10 pm
X NiK


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 08, 2012, 09:27:23 am
I feel you should continue, jmfcst.

What, being a rambling fool helps, E.  C'mon

agreed, that's why I edited my most pointed post.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 08, 2012, 09:29:32 am
sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: © tweed on May 08, 2012, 10:23:05 am
sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

been reading some Camus lately?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Eraserhead on May 08, 2012, 01:36:09 pm
sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

been reading some Camus lately?

"For everything to be consummated, for me to feel less alone, I had only to wish that there be a large crowd of spectators the day of my execution and that they greet me with cries of hate."



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Joe Republic on May 08, 2012, 01:54:38 pm
The number of pages of this petition is catching up to the number of actual signatures on it.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 08, 2012, 02:03:59 pm
since Inks refused to answer the question, and has gotten out his pop gun and shot a wad of 17 death points my way in the last hour...can one of you Mods suggest a place for the rest of us to formulate proposals to present to the Mods, since it appears they are not welcomed on the FC Board?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 08, 2012, 04:09:03 pm
since Inks refused to answer the question, and has gotten out his pop gun and shot a wad of 17 death points my way in the last hour...can one of you Mods suggest a place for the rest of us to formulate proposals to present to the Mods, since it appears they are not welcomed on the FC Board?

If you have a SERIOUS proposal, post it on The Atlas board.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 08, 2012, 04:29:29 pm
since Inks refused to answer the question, and has gotten out his pop gun and shot a wad of 17 death points my way in the last hour...can one of you Mods suggest a place for the rest of us to formulate proposals to present to the Mods, since it appears they are not welcomed on the FC Board?

If you have a SERIOUS proposal, post it on The Atlas board.

1) it was serious attempt at producing a serious proposal, and it was considered serious enough to be supported by nearly 90% of those who voiced an opinion through their votes.  And I disagreed, for the very reason of keeping it serious, with proposals to have me or opebo or MiamiU as mods of the new sub-board. 

2) But I thought the Atlas board was too "high level" and not enough "churn" (topic would have remained on first page for months) for the sausage making process of formulating a proposal, so I intended to use the FC board to get everyone's input, then take to the Atlas board if a broad consensus was reached.

3) that salvo of 17 death points, and no, I did NOT miscount them (5+3+5+4), were nothing more than an attempt to intimidate other posters (cause, obviously, they didn't intimidate me).  So you can just climb down from your DEFCON 2 posture, for no one believes you have the balls to go to DEFCON 1 and launch nukes against me.  :P


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Smid on May 08, 2012, 04:32:22 pm
sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that get my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

This is an awesome post, not just because I share these views on capital punishment, but because it's coming from a Republican from Texas.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: opebo on May 08, 2012, 04:58:38 pm
3) that salvo of 17 death points, and no, I did NOT miscount them (5+3+5+4), were nothing more than an attempt to intimidate other posters (cause, obviously, they didn't intimidate me).  So you can just climb down from your DEFCON 2 posture, for no one believes you have the balls to go to DEFCON 1 and launch nukes against me.  :P

They always give these heavy volleys of death-points about unrelated posts whenever a poster questions or criticizes them.  It has certainly happened to me.  What makes you think they wouldn't step it up to outright banning?  I'm pretty sure that's where they're headed - banning people like you and I.



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: © tweed on May 08, 2012, 05:26:12 pm
I don't know, I think the beat-back that happened in the wake of the Inks-Deluge debacle (and the descent of Leip to address it) means that the Mods don't have the standing right now to pull off a ban of a big-name poster.  this place would absolutely erupt, at least for opebo.  jmf maybe a bit less so, but still an outcry.  doesn't mean it could not happen at a future point.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: opebo on May 08, 2012, 05:35:58 pm
I don't know, I think the beat-back that happened in the wake of the Inks-Deluge debacle (and the descent of Leip to address it) means that the Mods don't have the standing right now to pull off a ban of a big-name poster.  this place would absolutely erupt, at least for opebo.  jmf maybe a bit less so, but still an outcry.  doesn't mean it could not happen at a future point.

I'm just saying it is the goal.  Authoritarianism is a process, not an immediate phenomenon.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 12:58:48 am
Thanks opebo and MiamiU for standing by my side while I attempt to negotiate a common goal with the "Third Reich".  Reminds me of the following scene from Kelly's Heroes.   I'll allow you to pick which character you want to be, all three are cool in my book:

(http://www.podwits.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/standoff.jpg)

in the end, I don't believe there are any hidden agendas on either side.  We want a small slice of the forum to be used for more fun for all; they think our definition of fun is not funny.  We have the town surrounded; they have the Tigers stationed in front of the bank guarding the gold.

well, I better stop the movie reference, I'll be accused and shot for "trolling"...funny thing about that moive, though...the Nazis were willing to strike a deal to end the standoff:

(http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsA/30832.gif)


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: opebo on May 09, 2012, 12:07:11 pm
Obviously I pick the Donald Sutherland character.  I'm really quite the Donald Sutherland fan, and in some ways a Donald Sutherland type.  Who wouldn't want to be Donald Sutherland?  Success, gravitas, and from the look of him **** like an *****.

(http://www.poffysmoviemania.com/KellysHeroes_caption.JPG)



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: ... on May 09, 2012, 12:47:06 pm
The way you're racking up death points, jmf, let me must say = Nice knowin' ya'. 


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: AndrewTX on May 09, 2012, 01:16:14 pm
**yawn**


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 01:27:08 pm
Obviously I pick the Donald Sutherland character.  I'm really quite the Donald Sutherland fan...

ok, I'll take Telly Savalas.   I like Clint's one-liners, but Telly was just all around smooth:  Who loves ya baby?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 01:33:26 pm
The way you're racking up death points, jmf, let me must say = Nice knowin' ya'.  

what part of...

sorry to all for the drama, but there's just something about an execution that gets my blood flowing.  they're just so...final.

...did you not understand?  I meant that in a literal, even prophetic, sort of way.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 09, 2012, 02:03:19 pm
Count them again... Not all of the points you're referencing were from your 'serious' proposal threads.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 02:18:46 pm
I don't know, I think the beat-back that happened in the wake of the Inks-Deluge debacle (and the descent of Leip to address it) means that the Mods don't have the standing right now to pull off a ban of a big-name poster.  this place would absolutely erupt, at least for opebo.  jmf maybe a bit less so, but still an outcry.  doesn't mean it could not happen at a future point.

[start: non-trolling light-hearted blasphemous joke/]

Careful… Leip described in this way the righteousness that is by the TOS: “Just, relax, and have a good time!”

But, the righteousness that is according to the Mods says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend beyond reach of the Mods?’”(that is, to bring Leip down) "or ’Who will descend into the Forum?’" (that is, to bring Leip up from the dead).  But what does the Nym say? “The death points are near you; they are in your back and through your heart,” (that is, the word they are proclaiming).

[/end: non-trolling light-hearted blasphemous joke]


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: opebo on May 09, 2012, 03:54:51 pm
Count them again... Not all of the points you're referencing were from your 'serious' proposal threads.

But isn't handing out any death points at all for posts politely questioning or critiquing you moderateors in the designated forum for such purposes by definition just self-serving censorship of dissent and elimination of transparency?

Btw, jmfcst, how many death points do you have at the moment?  I have at the moment 48.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 04:16:53 pm
But isn't handing out any death points at all for posts politely questioning or critiquing you moderateors ...

it wasn't even that, rather it was a thread to get user feedback on a new proposed sub-board.

I think the numerous citations noted "Trolling" as the crime...though I am not sure how it is "Trolling" to propose an idea for a sub-board which 90% of posters favored...I would think having a 90% majority would be the opposite of Trolling.

It would have been nice to give Naso a proper venue for his video making talents.  Maybe even his Teddy bear could have made a cameo appearance.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: opebo on May 09, 2012, 05:24:05 pm
Nevertheless I suppose they perceived it as an implied critique of their censorship.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on May 09, 2012, 08:21:11 pm
But isn't handing out any death points at all for posts politely questioning or critiquing you moderateors ...

it wasn't even that, rather it was a thread to get user feedback on a new proposed sub-board.

I think the numerous citations noted "Trolling" as the crime...though I am not sure how it is "Trolling" to propose an idea for a sub-board which 90% of posters favored...I would think having a 90% majority would be the opposite of Trolling.

It would have been nice to give Naso a proper venue for his video making talents.  Maybe even his Teddy bear could have made a cameo appearance.

How many people had actually voted to get that 90%?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 10:04:29 pm

How many people had actually voted to get that 90%?

I think it was 9 out of 10...but if you are going to claim the turnout was light, you need to factor in the following:

1) you deleted the thread while it was barely 2 hours old.

2) your past black panther intimidation techniques probably kept some voters away from the poll

3) I still consider you my friend


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 09, 2012, 10:12:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4Xh5uO_Hc


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 10, 2012, 11:40:21 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX4Xh5uO_Hc

LOL!  A very good effort....but...didn't the original screenplay have the Mods in the role of the Nazis, and not Straha's supporters as the Nazis?

A freudian casting slip, perhaps?  A moment of self-actualization involving a thinly veiled confession?...you should be more careful with your work, lest your conscience become self-aware and testify against you prior to your own banning and execution.



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on May 11, 2012, 10:57:14 am
It's the Downfall meme. Kind of the only thing where one would use Hitler to promote their opinion.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on January 20, 2015, 11:36:55 pm
This is proof of how not only were jmfcst and opebo awesome alone, they were at their best together.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Lief 🐋 on January 20, 2015, 11:42:30 pm
3) that salvo of 17 death points, and no, I did NOT miscount them (5+3+5+4), were nothing more than an attempt to intimidate other posters (cause, obviously, they didn't intimidate me).  So you can just climb down from your DEFCON 2 posture, for no one believes you have the balls to go to DEFCON 1 and launch nukes against me.  :P

They always give these heavy volleys of death-points about unrelated posts whenever a poster questions or criticizes them.  It has certainly happened to me.  What makes you think they wouldn't step it up to outright banning?  I'm pretty sure that's where they're headed - banning people like you and I.



wow. :'(


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: TRIPLE ROCK on January 20, 2015, 11:52:49 pm
Not only that Lief. Check this out:

I don't know, I think the beat-back that happened in the wake of the Inks-Deluge debacle (and the descent of Leip to address it) means that the Mods don't have the standing right now to pull off a ban of a big-name poster.  this place would absolutely erupt, at least for opebo.  jmf maybe a bit less so, but still an outcry.  doesn't mean it could not happen at a future point.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Vice President PiT on January 21, 2015, 12:24:37 am
     The place kind of did erupt for opebo. We lost multiple posters, including Lewis. I didn't care for opebo, but I did mind seeing Lewis go.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: We Have A Pope on January 21, 2015, 01:46:18 pm
     The place kind of did erupt for opebo. We lost multiple posters, including Lewis. I didn't care for opebo, but I did mind seeing Lewis go.

Who did we lose other than Lewis?


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Oak Hills on January 21, 2015, 01:59:22 pm
This is proof of how not only were jmfcst and opebo awesome terrible alone, they were at their best even worse together.

Ftfy.



Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Vice President PiT on January 21, 2015, 05:35:00 pm
     The place kind of did erupt for opebo. We lost multiple posters, including Lewis. I didn't care for opebo, but I did mind seeing Lewis go.

Who did we lose other than Lewis?

     Seatown left, though I didn't like him. I think someone else might have left and then returned later, but my recollection is imperfect. Also opebo left. Considering how many other posters have been banned and just made a load of sock accounts, I think that is significant.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Mr. Morden on January 21, 2015, 05:51:52 pm
     The place kind of did erupt for opebo. We lost multiple posters, including Lewis. I didn't care for opebo, but I did mind seeing Lewis go.

Who did we lose other than Lewis?

     Seatown left, though I didn't like him. I think someone else might have left and then returned later, but my recollection is imperfect.

Several posters promised to leave, and then chickened out.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: Eraserhead on January 22, 2015, 12:56:14 am
     The place kind of did erupt for opebo. We lost multiple posters, including Lewis. I didn't care for opebo, but I did mind seeing Lewis go.

Who did we lose other than Lewis?

     Seatown left, though I didn't like him. I think someone else might have left and then returned later, but my recollection is imperfect. Also opebo left. Considering how many other posters have been banned and just made a load of sock accounts, I think that is significant.

Several other posters left for a while but eventually came back. Tweed and HockeyDude were among them.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: We Have A Pope on January 22, 2015, 07:50:37 pm
     The place kind of did erupt for opebo. We lost multiple posters, including Lewis. I didn't care for opebo, but I did mind seeing Lewis go.

Who did we lose other than Lewis?

     Seatown left, though I didn't like him. I think someone else might have left and then returned later, but my recollection is imperfect. Also opebo left. Considering how many other posters have been banned and just made a load of sock accounts, I think that is significant.

Several other posters left for a while but eventually came back. Tweed and HockeyDude were among them.

It doesn't count if the poster wimped out and came back.


Title: Re: Petition to unban Straha!
Post by: National Progressive on January 29, 2015, 04:47:43 am
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