Title: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: retromike22 on May 09, 2012, 02:19:09 PM It's about time!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/obama-gay-marriage_n_1503245.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/obama-gay-marriage_n_1503245.html) Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 02:22:04 PM YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Napoleon on May 09, 2012, 02:23:26 PM My president has handled this beautifully.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Oakvale on May 09, 2012, 02:23:48 PM Oh, no, Obama won't win West Virginia now. :(
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Reluctant Republican on May 09, 2012, 02:26:59 PM I really have to give him credit. I thought the NC vote yesterday would be the final nail in the coffin to any possibility of support for it in 2012, since he could point to that and tell the activists to calm down if they want to win.
Goes up a few in my irrelevant book. :) Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: afleitch on May 09, 2012, 02:27:26 PM Wonderful :)
Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 02:30:08 PM His reelection fate is sealed. Uh, no. People who vote on the gay marriage issue alone and oppose it weren't going to vote for him, anyway, especially since his true feelings on this issue were generally assumed prior to this. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: DrScholl on May 09, 2012, 02:32:00 PM His reelection fate is sealed. OMG, Romneyslide!!! Most of the people who are against it weren't going to support him anyway and any people who are against and voted for him before will not change their vote, because they don't usually vote for candidates based on the issue. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: LiberalJunkie on May 09, 2012, 02:32:15 PM AMAZING!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 09, 2012, 02:32:34 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on May 09, 2012, 02:32:43 PM Disgusting, but it's to be expected.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: old timey villain on May 09, 2012, 02:36:07 PM I'm sure there will be much debating about how this helps or hurts him in November. But win or lose, it's good to see our President standing up for what he believes, and what half of Americans now believe, is simply the right thing in this country.
I'm just glad Obama finally decided to stop riding both sides of the fence and just went ahead and stood up for what he believes in. It's about time. http://www.gallup.com/poll/154529/Half-Americans-Support-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: homelycooking on May 09, 2012, 02:41:08 PM Oh, good for him.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: NVGonzalez on May 09, 2012, 02:42:17 PM Thank you Mr. President.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Ogre Mage on May 09, 2012, 02:44:22 PM Thank you Mr. President.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: NVGonzalez on May 09, 2012, 02:48:43 PM I welcome their hatred
() Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: BaldEagle1991 on May 09, 2012, 02:52:47 PM Good job President Obama!
I assume North Carolina's vote made him support gay marriage I guess. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 09, 2012, 02:56:56 PM Well, finally. I doubt this will affect him; most people already assume he supports it.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Phony Moderate on May 09, 2012, 02:57:20 PM Great news.
I take back this comment. Regardless of his beliefs on the matter, this is the smartest or the dumbest political move made by this President. We'll find out in November. But wait a minute, I thought that the economy is going to decide this election? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Bacon King on May 09, 2012, 02:57:20 PM I like that Obama's finally growing balls.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Mechaman on May 09, 2012, 03:03:04 PM Great news. I take back this comment. Regardless of his beliefs on the matter, this is the smartest or the dumbest political move made by this President. We'll find out in November. But wait a minute, I thought that the economy is going to decide this election? Seems like Mitt is rubbing off on his supporters! Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on May 09, 2012, 03:04:06 PM And the fight for civil rights takes another step forward!
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: NVGonzalez on May 09, 2012, 03:05:04 PM A friendly reminder before Willard goes on the attack. ()
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 03:08:06 PM A friendly reminder before Willard goes on the attack. () Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2012, 03:13:38 PM I welcome their hatred () Where do you get that from? I only see "OBAMA FLIP FLOPS ON GAY MARRIAGE" Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Phony Moderate on May 09, 2012, 03:13:38 PM A friendly reminder before Willard goes on the attack. () In public. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Yank2133 on May 09, 2012, 03:16:53 PM We all knew this, but it is nice for him to come out and say it.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on May 09, 2012, 03:17:40 PM was he flanked by Jannes and Jambres when he made the announcement?
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: marvelrobbins on May 09, 2012, 03:19:08 PM Romney Is a liar.Besides big business he has no core.
back In 1994 he ran as Liberal Republican against Ted Kennedy.Running as Prochoice,not part of reagan and Bush cwoad,and to the left of Kennedy on Gay Rights In 2002 he ran as moderate Republican In MA. This was guy who attacked John Kerry as Flipflopper In 2004. He signed a more liberal version of Obama Health care reform Into Law as Governor of MA. Obama coming out for gay Marrage today has guranteed plenty of antigay marrage ads against him. Romney even has the nerve to try to claim saving the auto idustry was his Idea. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Miles on May 09, 2012, 03:20:35 PM Not a position I agree with, but it should help with liberal enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 03:23:51 PM A friendly reminder before Willard goes on the attack. () In the 90s, Obama actually wrote a paper in full support of gay marriage, so up until this point he was just as much a flip flopper as Romney on the issue. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The Mikado on May 09, 2012, 03:26:32 PM Well, color me surprised. I didn't think he had the balls.
Good for you, Mr. President. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: krazen1211 on May 09, 2012, 03:27:14 PM Congratulations, Mr. Romney.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on May 09, 2012, 03:28:36 PM Congratulations, Mr. Romney. Since when did bigotry become something to be lauded? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2012, 03:29:55 PM Obama also supported gay marriage before he was against it before he was for it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html Really, he's no better than Romney. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: NVGonzalez on May 09, 2012, 03:32:55 PM I welcome their hatred () Where do you get that from? I only see "OBAMA FLIP FLOPS ON GAY MARRIAGE" It was on during the first 20-30 minutes of the breaking news. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Bacon King on May 09, 2012, 03:33:29 PM This is a very unpredictable move on Obama's part, in terms of political repercussions. Very uncharacteristic of his usually methodological and reserved approach.
This could be great, and give him a big advantage because the left will see the election as a referendum on gay marriage and be way more motivated with donations (many will probably consider an Obama loss something that will set the gay-rights movement back a decade). It also has a chance of getting the GOP very off message when they should be focusing on the economy. On the other hand, this could hypothetically lose Obama a lot of support among swing voters (especially in more working-class states). Not to mention that the religious opposition will be extreme. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2012, 03:36:27 PM This is a very unpredictable move on Obama's part, in terms of political repercussions. Very uncharacteristic of his usually methodological and reserved approach. This could be great, and give him a big advantage because the left will see the election as a referendum on gay marriage and be way more motivated with donations (many will probably consider an Obama loss something that will set the gay-rights movement back a decade). It also has a chance of getting the GOP very off message when they should be focusing on the economy. On the other hand, this could hypothetically lose Obama a lot of support among swing voters (especially in more working-class states). Not to mention that the religious opposition will be extreme. If this happens Obama is done for. Romney shall accuse him of trying to shift the election's focus from the economy to try to take off the spotlight from his own failures, whether real or not. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 09, 2012, 03:37:14 PM Congratulations, Mr. Romney. Since when did bigotry become something to be lauded? I think krazen is of the opinion that the division on this issue has de facto ended the election in Romney's favor. If pressed, I would say that krazen believes this because he believes that this is something that the American people, or key segments thereof, will side with Romney and against the President on this, in sufficient numbers and with sufficient zeal to render any other issues that may have helped the President's reelection campaign minor by comparison. Am I getting that right? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: 5280 on May 09, 2012, 03:39:13 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 03:39:24 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 03:41:13 PM Romney's response:
“I have the same view on marriage that I had when I was Governor,” Romney said. “I believe that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. I know other people have differing views. This a very tender and sensitive topic as are many social issues, but I have the same views I’ve had since running for office.” http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-marriage-is-relationship-between-man-woman Not much firebreathing, really. More defensiveness about his own position. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: 5280 on May 09, 2012, 03:42:14 PM Romney's response: “I have the same view on marriage that I had when I was Governor,” Romney said. “I believe that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. I know other people have differing views. This a very tender and sensitive topic as are many social issues, but I have the same views I’ve had since running for office.” http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-marriage-is-relationship-between-man-woman Not much firebreathing, really. More defensiveness about his own position. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Yank2133 on May 09, 2012, 03:43:30 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Yeah, because they are going to run to the party that has demonize them the past few years. Conservatives desperation is hilarious........... Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 09, 2012, 03:43:55 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Alcon on May 09, 2012, 03:44:23 PM Obama also supported gay marriage before he was against it before he was for it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/13/obama-once-supported-same_n_157656.html Really, he's no better than Romney. Oh, they absolutely both played expediency on this issue, but at least one eventually came back to a position that is intellectually and morally defensible -- and probably did so before it was actually politically expedient in the swing states. Romney has a reasonable response to Obama's stance on gay marriage. Leave it up to the states to decide what's right. Oh, perfectly reasonable, besides what he would vote personally if it came to referendum. Also, I'm pretty sure that Obama has said "leave it up to the states" since the announcement, too. Still not a difficult choice between the two opinions. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: 5280 on May 09, 2012, 03:44:46 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Yeah, because they are going to run to the party that has demonize them the past few years. Conservatives desperation is hilarious........... Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: BaldEagle1991 on May 09, 2012, 03:44:56 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. Since when did minorities are "made"? They're born. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 03:45:05 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. ...We invented minorities? That's, um, interesting. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Bacon King on May 09, 2012, 03:45:14 PM This is a very unpredictable move on Obama's part, in terms of political repercussions. Very uncharacteristic of his usually methodological and reserved approach. This could be great, and give him a big advantage because the left will see the election as a referendum on gay marriage and be way more motivated with donations (many will probably consider an Obama loss something that will set the gay-rights movement back a decade). It also has a chance of getting the GOP very off message when they should be focusing on the economy. On the other hand, this could hypothetically lose Obama a lot of support among swing voters (especially in more working-class states). Not to mention that the religious opposition will be extreme. If this happens Obama is done for. Romney shall accuse him of trying to shift the election's focus from the economy to try to take off the spotlight from his own failures, whether real or not. But that's the beauty of this. Obama doesn't have to mention anything else about gay marriage for the rest of the year. This single signal is enough to get equality advocates seriously motivated. He can and certainly will continue to stay on message arguing that his policies saved the economy, things are getting better, etc., however his campaign is phrasing it. Obama has said, "yeah, I support gay marriage," and that's all he has to do. Now Romney can either ignore it and stay on the economy (but miss opportunity to win over religious swing voters) or respond and risk losing his campaign's narrative. Certainly a dilemma for Romney's people, I'd imagine. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 09, 2012, 03:45:52 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Yeah, because they are going to run to the party that has demonize them the past few years. Conservatives desperation is hilarious........... What has that got to do with anything whatsoever? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: 5280 on May 09, 2012, 03:46:41 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Yeah, because they are going to run to the party that has demonize them the past few years. Conservatives desperation is hilarious........... What has that got to do with anything whatsoever? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 03:46:46 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. "Gender roles", another ridiculous term. People can't change gender roles, people also don't define them. Those gender roles exist because of human nature, and people aren't going to change that, no matter how much they try to manipulate it. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Yank2133 on May 09, 2012, 03:47:00 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Yeah, because they are going to run to the party that has demonize them the past few years. Conservatives desperation is hilarious........... And what does that have to do with hispanics? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 03:47:48 PM Romney's response: “I have the same view on marriage that I had when I was Governor,” Romney said. “I believe that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. I know other people have differing views. This a very tender and sensitive topic as are many social issues, but I have the same views I’ve had since running for office.” http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/romney-marriage-is-relationship-between-man-woman Not much firebreathing, really. More defensiveness about his own position. So we agree that Romney's response is, all things considered, a moderate one. I'm saying that may lead him to fail to capitalize on this issue with conservative voters. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 03:48:54 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. Supporting data: http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post/22727373632/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage-how-will-latinos-react Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 03:49:30 PM You know, it's one of the greatest mysteries of our time that the GOP decided it would be wise to keep their hard line on immigration. In fact, Ann Coulter has written an article recently implying she wants to decrease legal immigration, and is upset this isn't a priority for the GOP. Insanity.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Purch on May 09, 2012, 03:50:28 PM Obama actually showed some courage? Might actually vote for the guy.. As I'll vote for any politician who stands up for what he belive in (Even if it's really late) .. I mean I'd even vote for Romney if he actually embraced the how effective his health care policy was as governor
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: krazen1211 on May 09, 2012, 03:51:57 PM Congratulations, Mr. Romney. Since when did bigotry become something to be lauded? I think krazen is of the opinion that the division on this issue has de facto ended the election in Romney's favor. If pressed, I would say that krazen believes this because he believes that this is something that the American people, or key segments thereof, will side with Romney and against the President on this, in sufficient numbers and with sufficient zeal to render any other issues that may have helped the President's reelection campaign minor by comparison. Am I getting that right? Certainly it will aid Mr Romney in acquiring the votes of people who don't necessarily like him but certainly don't like they type of behavior just endorsed by Barack Obama. The people will render their verdict. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on May 09, 2012, 03:52:14 PM Another reason why he must be removed, anything to steal the spotlight from the Tea Parties victory in Indiana. Good job North Carolina in banning gay marriage. Indiana will be doing so in 2014.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 09, 2012, 03:54:06 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. "Gender roles", another ridiculous term. People can't change gender roles, people also don't define them. Those gender roles exist because of human nature, and people aren't going to change that, no matter how much they try to manipulate it. Human nature which changes from society to society and point to point in history and has been at several points openly and explicitly manipulated by social or economic interests? You've studied such extensively, I'm sure. Certainly it will aid Mr Romney in acquiring the votes of people who don't necessarily like him but certainly don't like they type of behavior just endorsed by Barack Obama. The people will render their verdict. I suppose they will, and I suppose regardless of what it is you will be constant in your analysis that gay marriage was the issue on which people were making their decision? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on May 09, 2012, 03:57:31 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. Since when did minorities are "made"? They're born. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: NVGonzalez on May 09, 2012, 03:58:10 PM Well thanks to this thread I guess we found out who the bigots were....
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 03:58:29 PM Another reason why he must be removed, anything to steal the spotlight from the Tea Parties victory in Indiana. Good job North Carolina in banning gay marriage. Indiana will be doing so in 2014. The Tea Party is one of the reasons Romney will lose, and also why the GOP is becoming completely irrelevant outside the south. So enjoy that victory while you can. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 09, 2012, 04:02:52 PM 1) I think it's reprehensible that any one side can claim moral superiority on this issue and use it to totally marr debate on the question of marriage.
2) This is Obama's biggest diversion yet. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Reaganfan on May 09, 2012, 04:04:32 PM My guess is that he just lost about 27 electoral votes, but strengthened his base. A great issue that the Romney Campaign can use against him in several ways.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 04:04:33 PM Another reason why he must be removed, anything to steal the spotlight from the Tea Parties victory in Indiana. Good job North Carolina in banning gay marriage. Indiana will be doing so in 2014. The Tea Party is one of the reasons Romney will lose, and also why the GOP is becoming completely irrelevant outside the south. So enjoy that victory while you can. I never thought I would find myself in agreement with one of your posts on anything. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Alcon on May 09, 2012, 04:07:55 PM 1) I think it's reprehensible that any one side can claim moral superiority on this issue and use it to totally marr debate on the question of marriage. "marr"? I'm absolutely open to a debate on this issue! I don't want to necessarily start a debate on a basic, vanilla news thread. However, absolutely, if you disagree with gay marriage, let's discuss it! :) I can't say that I don't think gay marriage is morally superior, but a vacuous statement of moral superiority does not a meaningful discussion make. So, if you disagree with gay marriage, let's have a meaningful discussion. You in? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 09, 2012, 04:08:20 PM My guess is that he just lost about 27 electoral votes, but strengthened his base. A great issue that the Romney Campaign can use against him in several ways. If the Romney campaign did so it would open itself up to easy, and as the case would be entirely accurate, attacks about straying off of what the more important message is to most people (at least, most people who aren't gay or bisexual or very close to people who are). Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Yank2133 on May 09, 2012, 04:08:55 PM My guess is that he just lost about 27 electoral votes, but strengthened his base. A great issue that the Romney Campaign can use against him in several ways. Lmao are Republicans this delusional or desperate? It isn't 2004 anymore, these social issues just aren't going to that big of a factor. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 04:09:11 PM Another reason why he must be removed, anything to steal the spotlight from the Tea Parties victory in Indiana. Good job North Carolina in banning gay marriage. Indiana will be doing so in 2014. The Tea Party is one of the reasons Romney will lose, and also why the GOP is becoming completely irrelevant outside the south. So enjoy that victory while you can. I never thought I would find myself in agreement with one of your posts on anything. I'm definately with them on the issues, but it's undeniable that their rhetoric and mob mentality is destroying the party's credibility. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 04:09:39 PM It's funny, some of what I'm reading here. Just recently it was about how social issues shouldn't be discussed because people are more concerned about the economy, and now it's about how openly coming out in support of gay marriage will hurt him because people are going to base their votes off this issue all under the assumption they didn't suspect him of supporting gay rights prior to this.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 04:11:30 PM Santorum's response:
“The announcement today by President Obama should come as no surprise to the American public. President Obama has consistently fought against protecting the institution of marriage from radical social engineering at both the state and federal level. The President recently opposed the North Carolina constitutional amendment and, of course, he refused to defend President Clinton’s Defense of Marriage Act before the U.S. Supreme court. The charade is now over, no doubt an attempt to galvanize his core hard left supporters in advance of the November election. Thankfully the American public, when it has had an opportunity to consider the real world consequences of such a fundamental change to our society, has consistently voted for maintaining one man one woman marriage - the basic building block of our society. I will continue to fight to make sure that the cultural elites don’t further undermine the institution that gives the best opportunity for healthy, happy children and a just and prosperous society.” http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/santorum-responds-to-obama-charade-is-now-over Compare this to what Romney said. This is what would motivate base turnout. Can anyone seriously imagine Romney as a compelling messenger for this argument? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 04:15:50 PM Santorum's response: “The announcement today by President Obama should come as no surprise to the American public. President Obama has consistently fought against protecting the institution of marriage from radical social engineering at both the state and federal level. The President recently opposed the North Carolina constitutional amendment and, of course, he refused to defend President Clinton’s Defense of Marriage Act before the U.S. Supreme court. The charade is now over, no doubt an attempt to galvanize his core hard left supporters in advance of the November election. Thankfully the American public, when it has had an opportunity to consider the real world consequences of such a fundamental change to our society, has consistently voted for maintaining one man one woman marriage - the basic building block of our society. I will continue to fight to make sure that the cultural elites don’t further undermine the institution that gives the best opportunity for healthy, happy children and a just and prosperous society.” http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/santorum-responds-to-obama-charade-is-now-over Compare this to what Romney said. This is what would motivate base turnout. Can anyone seriously imagine Romney as a compelling messenger for this argument? It might motivate base turnout, but how are suburban swing voters going to react to that? How about white collar/economically oriented voters? Those are the votes Romney needs, and the GOP also needs to expand beyond that base and build a new one. Which is why I say we really need to move on from this issue. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: DrScholl on May 09, 2012, 04:17:34 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics will remain in the Democratic column, simply for the fact that they don't vote for candidates based on social issues like this. Obama already supported civil unions, this is just an upgrade in position. Really, it's not like he was hardcore social conservative on the issue. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 04:19:30 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics will remain in the Democratic column, simply for the fact that they don't vote for candidates based on social issues like this. Obama already supported civil unions, this is just an upgrade in position. Really, it's not like he was hardcore social conservative on the issue. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 04:21:44 PM Santorum's response: “The announcement today by President Obama should come as no surprise to the American public. President Obama has consistently fought against protecting the institution of marriage from radical social engineering at both the state and federal level. The President recently opposed the North Carolina constitutional amendment and, of course, he refused to defend President Clinton’s Defense of Marriage Act before the U.S. Supreme court. The charade is now over, no doubt an attempt to galvanize his core hard left supporters in advance of the November election. Thankfully the American public, when it has had an opportunity to consider the real world consequences of such a fundamental change to our society, has consistently voted for maintaining one man one woman marriage - the basic building block of our society. I will continue to fight to make sure that the cultural elites don’t further undermine the institution that gives the best opportunity for healthy, happy children and a just and prosperous society.” http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/santorum-responds-to-obama-charade-is-now-over Compare this to what Romney said. This is what would motivate base turnout. Can anyone seriously imagine Romney as a compelling messenger for this argument? It might motivate base turnout, but how are suburban swing voters going to react to that? How about white collar/economically oriented voters? Those are the votes Romney needs, and the GOP also needs to expand beyond that base and build a new one. Which is why I say we really need to move on from this issue. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 09, 2012, 04:23:04 PM Lovely.
() Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 09, 2012, 04:26:36 PM The bigots in this thread who think this hurts Obama are funny.
Very welcome news though. I'm glad I can say I voted for the first president to support marriage equality. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: afleitch on May 09, 2012, 04:28:47 PM The bigots in this thread who think this hurts Obama are funny. Very welcome news though. I'm glad I can say I voted for the first president to support marriage equality. Worth noting Gerry Ford (damn I miss him) pretty much came out in favour of gay marriage before his death. What a steaming pile of sh**t the GOP has become since his day. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: LastVoter on May 09, 2012, 04:30:34 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. "Gender roles", another ridiculous term. People can't change gender roles, people also don't define them. Those gender roles exist because of human nature, and people aren't going to change that, no matter how much they try to manipulate it. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on May 09, 2012, 04:32:06 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. "Gender roles", another ridiculous term. People can't change gender roles, people also don't define them. Those gender roles exist because of human nature, and people aren't going to change that, no matter how much they try to manipulate it. No. However, I do recognize that women are better suited to be homemakers then men. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: LastVoter on May 09, 2012, 04:37:19 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. "Gender roles", another ridiculous term. People can't change gender roles, people also don't define them. Those gender roles exist because of human nature, and people aren't going to change that, no matter how much they try to manipulate it. No. However, I do recognize that women are better suited to be homemakers then men. Back on topic: I think this will actually make Obama more electable, minorities will vote for him anyway, but more of those Suburban country-club Virginia & Colorado voters are more likely to vote for him. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 09, 2012, 04:39:35 PM It will be great when society moves off this issue, but the liberals are simply going to keep inventing new minorities. Homosexuals, transexuals, don't tell me this ain't a slippery slope. It's the minorities who are 'inventing' themselves, thank you, and...I mean, no, this isn't a slippery slope, or at least there's no reason why it has to be. Why should it be? We've been in the process of reevaluating the issue of gender roles and their implications, which is a specific issue and not some sort of locus of unrelated affairs, for a couple of centuries now. Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as non-Hispanic whites these days. "Gender roles", another ridiculous term. People can't change gender roles, people also don't define them. Those gender roles exist because of human nature, and people aren't going to change that, no matter how much they try to manipulate it. No. However, I do recognize that women are better suited to be homemakers then men. Hell, why stop there? They're also better suited to be priestly elites who control the domestic policy of the Kingdom of Wa while the menfolk go out and do diplomacy with the Empire Beyond the Sunset; slutting around as suits their womanly concupiscence while the chaste manly men do philosophy; do reaping as opposed to sowing because a woman's place is at the harvest whereas a man's is at the seeding; do sowing as opposed to reaping because a woman's place is at the seeding whereas a man's is at the harvest; fighting with spears instead of swords because spears are womanly and swords are manly; on the moon rather than the sun because the sun is obviously Hyperion and masculine while the moon is obviously Selene and feminine; on the sun rather than the moon because the sun is obviously Amaterasu and feminine while the moon is obviously Tsukuyomi and masculine... Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: courts on May 09, 2012, 04:40:48 PM The bigots in this thread who think this hurts Obama are funny. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: courts on May 09, 2012, 04:46:52 PM why are you so interested in the subject?
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 04:48:29 PM To exactly the extent that Mitt Romney believes in "domestic partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights, and the like" in such cases.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 09, 2012, 04:52:52 PM I'm honestly a little stunned he did it so soon.
I think the dems here need to be realistic about the possible risks to Obama from this position, however, he wouldn't have made such a move unless the risks had been considered. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 09, 2012, 04:53:01 PM The bigots in this thread who think this hurts Obama are funny. I've lost count of the number of moderately conservative/centrist ex-Republicans I've encountered, either as Independents or Democrats. The most common reason for the "ex" designation? Answer: The Religious Right or "religious extremists", etc. These are the swing voters Romney desperately needs to win. The Religious Right peaked in its influence, and is actually, in many ways, in decline. This may be Santorum's Republican Party, but this sure as hell ain't Santorum's America. For every fundamentalist Christian voter that votes against Obama, a Democrat and a swing voter vote against Romney. And with the economy holding ground, Romney's history of gaffes ("Even Jimmy Carter would have made that order", etc.), Romney's complete lack of connection with the common people, plus his unreliable messaging and perceived indifference to issues like women's rights or the plight of the lower and middle class Americans, not to mention Romney's myriad problems with his own party, I think Obama made a political masterstroke as well as a strong moral statement with his endorsement of same sex marriage. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: courts on May 09, 2012, 04:54:14 PM wow that joke went over your head. ill give you a hint: the media uses it as a euphemism lately.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Oakvale on May 09, 2012, 04:55:20 PM I'm honestly a little stunned he did it so soon. I think the dems here need to be realistic about the possible risks to Obama from this position, however, he wouldn't have made such a move unless the risks had been considered. I was a little worried about the potential downsides, too - doesn't really matter if he supports gay marriage if it loses him re-election and Mitt Romney passes a constitutional amendment to ban it federally - but polls show large majorities thought Obama backed it anyway, so I'm hopeful it won't have much negative impact politically. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 09, 2012, 04:55:50 PM wow that joke went over your head. ill give you a hint: the media uses it as a euphemism lately. Oops, sorry. :P But at least I got a good post in, no? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 09, 2012, 05:01:11 PM I'm honestly a little stunned he did it so soon. I think the dems here need to be realistic about the possible risks to Obama from this position, however, he wouldn't have made such a move unless the risks had been considered. I was a little worried about the potential downsides, too - doesn't really matter if he supports gay marriage if it loses him re-election and Mitt Romney passes a constitutional amendment to ban it federally - but polls show large majorities thought Obama backed it anyway, so I'm hopeful it won't have much negative impact politically. It could also be that they're giving the Republicans enough rope to hang themselves with-Obama had to have known that this would really fire up the Christian Warrior Troops of the GOP against him. But since Romney is seen as being a "moderate" by some Independents, the Religious Right rallying to Romney's side will make Independents (who generally detest the religious side of the Republican Party) more wary of Romney. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: tmthforu94 on May 09, 2012, 05:07:53 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Phony Moderate on May 09, 2012, 05:12:18 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. But....isn't the poor economy (caused by the EVULLL MARXISSST incumbent) the primary concern of conservatives? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 05:12:27 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Reaganfan on May 09, 2012, 05:13:00 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. See, this is what I mean. We have to make Obama look like the Democrats we defeated back in the early 2000s. Out of touch, liberal/radical, and use it to persuade swing voters who voted for George Bush and Barack Obama. By this gay marriage backing, and dipping his toe into the Treyvon Martin "tragedy", and hopefully the Supreme Court striking down Obamacare this Summer, we can exploit Obama as the radical, something the McCain campaign was reluctant to do. Ahhh Lee Atwater...where are you when we need you? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: DrScholl on May 09, 2012, 05:16:46 PM Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. Mitt, is that you? Why are you posting on message boards? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajc0918 on May 09, 2012, 05:17:02 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. See, this is what I mean. We have to make Obama look like the Democrats we defeated back in the early 2000s. Out of touch, liberal/radical, and use it to persuade swing voters who voted for George Bush and Barack Obama. By this gay marriage backing, and dipping his toe into the Treyvon Martin "tragedy", and hopefully the Supreme Court striking down Obamacare this Summer, we can exploit Obama as the radical, something the McCain campaign was reluctant to do. Because supporting marriage equality is a 'radical' thing to do.... okay yeah Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: opebo on May 09, 2012, 05:17:19 PM Ahhh Lee Atwater...where are you when we need you? He's probably still there where you left him. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Phony Moderate on May 09, 2012, 05:17:30 PM David Cameron is laughing at this thread.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: DrScholl on May 09, 2012, 05:18:46 PM See, this is what I mean. We have to make Obama look like the Democrats we defeated back in the early 2000s. Out of touch, liberal/radical, and use it to persuade swing voters who voted for George Bush and Barack Obama. By this gay marriage backing, and dipping his toe into the Treyvon Martin "tragedy", and hopefully the Supreme Court striking down Obamacare this Summer, we can exploit Obama as the radical, something the McCain campaign was reluctant to do. Ahhh Lee Atwater...where are you when we need you? Yeah, you really need another person to teach you how to use slurs without really saying them. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Franzl on May 09, 2012, 05:19:26 PM Great news! Pleasently surprised Obama took a clear stand.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: courts on May 09, 2012, 05:19:43 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. did this remind anyone else of the professor? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Alcon on May 09, 2012, 05:21:42 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. did this remind anyone else of the professor? Opposing gay marriage isn't going to get you girls. Unless they're 75 years old. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Thomas D on May 09, 2012, 05:21:57 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. Maybe. But I'll still call Romney a Flip-flopper. And I've backed gay marriage since before you were born. ;) Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 05:23:56 PM Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. On the surface, I agree, and it was the first thing that came to mind. This is obviously the part that mystifies me because I believed one of the essential ingredients in beating Romney was hammering away at him on the "flip-flopper" label. That appears to be off the table now since obviously the "hypocrite" comeback will be quite powerful, you would think. However, a part of me still plays this in my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4 IMHO, the best thing Team Romney can do is continue to stick to talking about the economy. If anybody asks about this, do not attack Obama and find a way to get back onto talking about the economy. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 05:28:44 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. did this remind anyone else of the professor? Big fan of the professor. Alas, I am not him (so far as I know, anyway :P Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 05:29:59 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Reaganfan on May 09, 2012, 05:40:06 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Of course it would probably be a 270 electoral vote win and a popular vote loss where Obama loses but still receives millions of more votes than Romney and racial division is increased, but yeah... Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Stranger in a strange land on May 09, 2012, 05:44:29 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Yes, I agree. Romney needs to stop talking about the economy and make his opposition* to gay marriage the centerpiece of his campaign. *unless he's running for Senator from Massachusetts Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 05:45:20 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Of course it would probably be a 270 electoral vote win and a popular vote loss where Obama loses but still receives millions of more votes than Romney and racial division is increased, but yeah... Obama owns the economy, and it hurts him. Nobody owns social issues, and the divide is practically 50-50. Why not hammer away at Obama on the economy where he is weak? Obama and Co. want us talking about gay marriage, not the economy. Why give them what they want? Romney can win on the economy, and social conservatives will win when Romney is POTUS and he is nominating John Roberts-style Supreme Court Justices. There is a strong possibility of losing the election, though, if social issues distract people from the sad state of the economy. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Marokai Backbeat on May 09, 2012, 05:47:02 PM The brief bump existed primarily because gay marriage had never really been a major issue in American politics ever before in that same way, and 60% of Americans were already on the opposing side to begin with. It was a new issue, and a different time.
The issue has existed in American politics (and popular culture more broadly) since then, and has grown more and more against the conservative position, where now it's safer and safer to say that a national majority is in favor of it, or the country is at least evenly divided. On every issue of minority rights it's always easy to run against it, but there's diminishing returns, and we're no longer at the point where you can scare two thirds of the country against it. The turning point has been reached. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 09, 2012, 05:48:44 PM The brief bump existed primarily because gay marriage had never really been a major issue in American politics ever before in that same way, and 60% of Americans were already on the opposing side to begin with. It was a new issue, and a different time. The issue has existed in American politics (and popular culture more broadly) since then, and has grown more and more against the conservative position, where now it's safer and safer to say that a national majority is in favor of it, or the country is at least evenly divided. On every issue of minority rights it's always easy to run against it, but there's diminishing returns, and we're no longer at the point where you can scare two thirds of the country against it. The turning point has been reached. +1 million. IMO, Romney's only hope now is that the economy crashes again (which is a horrible thing for anyone to hope for, come to think of it...) Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Ebowed on May 09, 2012, 05:50:40 PM Obama doesn't need to accuse Romney of being a flip flopper - the narrative is already there, and firmly ingrained in the public consciousness. Obama has already had 'evolving' positions on a number of issues (FISA, health care mandate), and the label doesn't stick.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Yank2133 on May 09, 2012, 05:50:59 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Of course it would probably be a 270 electoral vote win and a popular vote loss where Obama loses but still receives millions of more votes than Romney and racial division is increased, but yeah... If Republicans think social issues in 2012 are going win them elections alas 2004....then they are in for a rude awakening. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 09, 2012, 05:51:50 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Υou got a dirty mind. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 09, 2012, 05:52:35 PM Obama doesn't need to accuse Romney of being a flip flopper - the narrative is already there, and firmly ingrained in the public consciousness. Obama has already had 'evolving' positions on a number of issues (FISA, health care mandate), and the label doesn't stick. Obama hasn't really "flip flopped" the way Romney has. Romney has done complete 180s on a number of issues, throughout his political career. And it's so obviously for political expedience in his case. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 09, 2012, 05:56:17 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Of course it would probably be a 270 electoral vote win and a popular vote loss where Obama loses but still receives millions of more votes than Romney and racial division is increased, but yeah... But even the chart shows that it didn't increase very significantly. It's pretty unlikely that the overall trend is going to just reverse at any time. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 06:04:02 PM Obama doesn't need to accuse Romney of being a flip flopper - the narrative is already there, and firmly ingrained in the public consciousness. Obama has already had 'evolving' positions on a number of issues (FISA, health care mandate), and the label doesn't stick. Obama hasn't really "flip flopped" the way Romney has. Romney has done complete 180s on a number of issues, throughout his political career. And it's so obviously for political expedience in his case. So what you're saying is that it's just a coincidence that Joe Biden and Barack Obama changed their opinion on gay marriage in 2012 at almost the exact same time? Or are you saying that Democrats are hypocrites? Which is it? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: The Mikado on May 09, 2012, 06:05:44 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. Did Obama go to pieces like that, ever, during the debates with McCain? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 06:08:33 PM Good. Obama's taking a minority stance on this issue, and this could be something Romney needs to fire up conservatives. Also, this takes away Obama's ability to attack Romney for being a flip-flopper without looking like a complete hypocrite. () Not really. Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Of course it would probably be a 270 electoral vote win and a popular vote loss where Obama loses but still receives millions of more votes than Romney and racial division is increased, but yeah... But even the chart shows that it didn't increase very significantly. It's pretty unlikely that the overall trend is going to just reverse at any time. I would not be so sure about that. I remember AIDS hysteria and what it did to the gay rights movement. Just like syphilis was trumped by herpes and herpes was trumped by HIV/AIDS, something else will eventually come around to trump HIV/AIDS. Certain lifestyles are not sustainable. And this is coming from somebody who had a dear cousin who secretly lived that type of lifestyle in the '70s and '80s, and paid the ultimate price. It's like a cycle or something. Promoting gay marriage, monogamy among homosexuals, is a good way to help fight those type of lifestyle choices, of course. I support gay marriage. I disagree with Governor Romney on the issue. But I am not convinced the trend with regards to gay marriage is going to continue. History tends to repeat itself, and I remember the backlash against gays at the onset of HIV/AIDS. Due to today's 24/7 media, the backlash will be even worse if another mysterious killer STD comes onto the gay scene. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Negusa Nagast 🚀 on May 09, 2012, 06:08:46 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. Did Obama go to pieces like that, ever, during the debates with McCain? Of course not, but our best USAtlas pundit, politico, early predictor of the Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 09, 2012, 06:16:08 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. Did Obama go to pieces like that, ever, during the debates with McCain? I was being hyperbolic. Obviously Obama is a great speaker, but just a decent debater (I actually feel like Kerry is a better debater). He needs his teleprompter to really shine, but he is OK without it. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 09, 2012, 06:23:58 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 09, 2012, 07:10:29 PM Wonderful :) Romney's 180 turn on this will make for an interesting topic come the debates. Moderator: Do you support gay marriage? Obama: Yes. Romney: Well, um, uh, well, I, um, certainly support the, um, gay and lesbian, um, well...I'd like to pass on this one, Bob. Moderator: President Obama, why did you change your opinion on gay marriage? Obama: Well-uh-I-uh-where's my teleprompter? Romney: Flip-flopping on gay marriage isn't going to help the economy. Did Obama go to pieces like that, ever, during the debates with McCain? Mitt Romney: "Oh... uh... um... aha... of course I like the gays. I'm a Moremen [sic]." Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Holmes on May 09, 2012, 07:20:37 PM we can exploit Obama as the radical, something the McCain campaign was reluctant to do. I remember things quite differently than you do. Then again, I think you remember a lot of things quite differently than how they really happened. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: morgieb on May 09, 2012, 07:24:08 PM Very surprised he did it around the election and not during his second term.
Good choice. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Holmes on May 09, 2012, 07:25:34 PM Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. Honey, that was after the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision, and thus is was already an issue during the 2004 election. Something won't be an issue during an election unless it's happening. You can't make something out of nothing. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 09, 2012, 07:27:47 PM Notice how the opposition grew when President George Walker Bush made it a campaign issue in 2004. We have to do that again. I'm telling ya...if we run from social issues, we lose. If we stand our ground, we win. One cannot read this without thinking about George Wallace and his true believers thinking, "we can turn the tide! We just need to press the issue harder!" Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 09, 2012, 07:35:27 PM we can exploit Obama as the radical, something the McCain campaign was reluctant to do. I remember things quite differently than you do. Then again, I think you remember a lot of things quite differently than how they really happened. Since Naso pines for a period in history he didn't even live through... yeah. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: greenforest32 on May 09, 2012, 08:01:05 PM About time.
I like that Obama's finally growing balls. Too bad he punted on the ENDA-ish executive order though I suppose we'll probably see it sometime in his second term (assuming he wins) as Republicans won't be taking it up in the House anytime soon http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/04/12/obama_and_lgbt_discrimination_executive_order_refused_.html Quote In a high-profile meeting yesterday afternoon, top aides of President Obama* informed a group of lobbyists and advocates that his administration would not issue an executive order banning discrimination against LGBT people who work for federal contractors. Obama had campaigned in support of such an order back in 2008, but, according to meeting attendee and Center for American Progress executive vice president Winnie Stachelberg, the White House now espouses a “multipronged effort to better address workplace discrimination against gay and transgender Americans.” Whatever that means. To be fair, the administration also affirmed its support for the more comprehensive ENDA (Employment Non-Discrimination Act), a bill that would prohibit hiring and employment discrimination on the basis of sexual or gender identity. But ENDA has been bouncing around Congress since 1994, and given the current toxicity of the congressional environment, its sudden passage does not seem likely. Which is why most people pushing for the executive order, including some of the president's own party colleagues, saw it as a natural step along the way—and a rather large one at that, given that around 16 million workers would be covered according to some estimates—to something better. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 08:09:19 PM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry. Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 09, 2012, 08:22:54 PM The King of all Flip Flops.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 09, 2012, 08:25:05 PM The King of all Flip Flops. trololol Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 09, 2012, 08:32:22 PM The King of all Flip Flops. () Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 09, 2012, 08:36:31 PM Look whose talkin'!
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 09, 2012, 08:44:10 PM Apologies for writing in a normal-sized font. But the Washington Post has some interesting cross-tabs on support for same-sex marriage among different demographics:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/poll-trend-on-same-sex-marriage/2012/05/09/gIQAi6zhDU_blog.html Interestingly, Republicans today are pretty split on the issue, with 57% against, and 39% for. So it's not altogether easy for Romney to pontificate against same-sex marriage. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 09, 2012, 08:46:59 PM Look whose talkin'! To be fair... support doesn't equal troll... completely over and under estimating the impact of something either makes you deranged or a troll. Changing a public position on one issue doesn't somehow negate Romney's inability to present a coherent or consistent public position on pretty much anything. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2012, 08:50:40 PM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/shep-smith-obama-21st-century-gay-marriage_n_1503849.html
So, how much longer before they fire him? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Thomas D on May 09, 2012, 08:54:05 PM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/shep-smith-obama-21st-century-gay-marriage_n_1503849.html So, how much longer before they fire him? Soon. Let him go to MSNBC. He can replace Ed Schultz. Even as a liberal I find that guy so annoying. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Marokai Backbeat on May 09, 2012, 08:58:02 PM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/09/shep-smith-obama-21st-century-gay-marriage_n_1503849.html So, how much longer before they fire him? Soon. Let him go to MSNBC. He can replace Ed Schultz. Even as a liberal I find that guy so annoying. You're not alone. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 09, 2012, 09:03:05 PM Look whose talkin'! To be fair... support doesn't equal troll... completely over and under estimating the impact of something either makes you deranged or a troll. Changing a public position on one issue doesn't somehow negate Romney's inability to present a coherent or consistent public position on pretty much anything. So I call it a flip flop and you call me a troll. Actually, you are the troll for levelling the accusation at me. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 09, 2012, 09:09:15 PM Look whose talkin'! To be fair... support doesn't equal troll... completely over and under estimating the impact of something either makes you deranged or a troll. Changing a public position on one issue doesn't somehow negate Romney's inability to present a coherent or consistent public position on pretty much anything. So I call it a flip flop and you call me a troll. Actually, you are the troll for levelling the accusation at me. It's not an accusation based on that statement alone... more an assessment of the overall view. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Alcon on May 09, 2012, 09:11:44 PM Look whose talkin'! It's probably ill-advised to make grammatical errors in 30-point bold red. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 09, 2012, 09:12:52 PM Look whose talkin'! To be fair... support doesn't equal troll... completely over and under estimating the impact of something either makes you deranged or a troll. Changing a public position on one issue doesn't somehow negate Romney's inability to present a coherent or consistent public position on pretty much anything. So I call it a flip flop and you call me a troll. Actually, you are the troll for levelling the accusation at me. Also, you messed up who's and whose in large red font. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 09, 2012, 09:25:00 PM Well thank you Mr. grammar perfection.
I remain, as always, your obedient and humble servant. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Simfan34 on May 09, 2012, 09:27:59 PM I laughed.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: LastVoter on May 09, 2012, 10:06:29 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIPfQ-HtYeM
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 09, 2012, 10:57:14 PM Holy crap, Obama forgot to be a moderate hero.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 10, 2012, 02:03:25 AM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry. Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters. Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: NVGonzalez on May 10, 2012, 02:14:30 AM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry. Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters. Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated. Winner. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Adam Griffin on May 10, 2012, 02:29:10 AM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry. Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters. Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated. "A fall poll put Hispanic Catholic support of same-sex marriage at 42 approve, 42 disapprove. Hispanics as a whole haven’t been polled on the question recently, but a 2009 Pew poll had the Latino community fairly evenly divided on the question of same-sex marriage, with 45 percent in favor and 49 percent opposed. And an April survey showed that 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society, but it did not ask about gay marriage specifically." (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/polls-show-a-mixed-picture-for-legalizing-gay-marriage-122984.html) Half of all Americans backed gay marriage in the 2012 Gallup’s 2012 gay marriage poll, released Tuesday. Democrats and independents drove the increase, with 65 percent of Democrats backing the practice and 57 percent of independents throwing their support behind it. (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/polls-show-a-mixed-picture-for-legalizing-gay-marriage-122984.html) I also heard on the Ed Show tonight that 55% of whites support same-sex marriage, while 45% of African-Americans support it, but I'm not sure how accurate those numbers actually are. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 10, 2012, 02:36:29 AM Here's the point. Of the whites who oppose gay marriage, the large majority are already voting Republican. That is not necessarily true of Latinos and certainly not true with Blacks. If Latinos are voting 2:1 or 3:1 for Obama while being split on gay marriage, obviously there is a lot of pro-Obama and anti-gay marriage overlap. The question is whether this will affect the vote of many of them, but imho it won't.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Adam Griffin on May 10, 2012, 02:39:20 AM Here's the point. Of the whites who oppose gay marriage, the large majority are already voting Republican. That is not necessarily true of Latinos and certainly not true with Blacks. If Latinos are voting 2:1 or 3:1 for Obama while being split on gay marriage, obviously there is a lot of pro-Obama and anti-gay marriage overlap. The question is whether this will affect the vote of many of them, but imho it won't. It's very unlikely there will be any shifts in the African-American community. Turnout might be down some, but I highly doubt the % of the AA vote for Obama is going to drop more than 1-2 points. Obama - pre-evolution - probably was realistically sitting at 75% with Latinos. Even if it drops to 65%, he'll be alright. He's got plenty of leeway and he knows it. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 10, 2012, 03:02:32 AM I highly doubt it will drop that much with Latinos. I don't think it will be more than a couple points, and that too due to decreased turnout rather than them voting for Romney. And with Blacks I suspect no change at all.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Eraserhead on May 10, 2012, 03:12:59 AM So he finally got tired of being to the right of Andrew Cuomo?
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: LastVoter on May 10, 2012, 03:21:36 AM So he finally got tired of being to the right of Andrew Cuomo? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Joe Republic on May 10, 2012, 03:34:03 AM ()
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Middle-aged Europe on May 10, 2012, 05:05:43 AM Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 10, 2012, 05:29:08 AM This won't hurt him; most swing voters already think he supports same-sex marriage.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: BaldEagle1991 on May 10, 2012, 06:53:27 AM Looks like Obama alienated about half the hispanic votes in key swing states. Oh, and I thought Romney was a flip flopper on issues, Obama supporters can be hypocrites at times. Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, the Republicans could have exploited this issue to get more support with working class Hispanics but then you guys f'ed up with the AZ immigration law and similar laws that have been passed by Republicans across the country. Gays marrying will be less of an issue for Hispanic than one of the major parties race baiting using them to win votes. Haha, it will be fun watching you guys get punished for your bigotry. Except that same-sex marriage is approximately as popular with Hispanic voters as it is with white voters. Yes, after you factor in Southern whites that is probably true. The difference being those whites wouldn't vote Democrat in any case, whereas some Latino voters who oppose gay marriage probably do. There is a chance Latino voters could be turned off by this, but race baiting by the Republicans will take precedence over this issue for sure. And African Americans are so loyal to the Democrats and especially to Obama that I don't see them flipping over this either. Latinos are swing voters without strong loyalties but the idiot Republicans changed that. I hope they get punished. I really do. Bigotry must not be tolerated. "A fall poll put Hispanic Catholic support of same-sex marriage at 42 approve, 42 disapprove. Hispanics as a whole haven’t been polled on the question recently, but a 2009 Pew poll had the Latino community fairly evenly divided on the question of same-sex marriage, with 45 percent in favor and 49 percent opposed. And an April survey showed that 59 percent of Latinos said homosexuality should be accepted by society, but it did not ask about gay marriage specifically." (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/polls-show-a-mixed-picture-for-legalizing-gay-marriage-122984.html) Evenly divided, but I assume a lot of them are young, as younger people regardless of religion, ethnicity, etc. are going to be pro-gay marriage. Hispanics are younger than average of the US population so this is why you are seeing an evenly divide. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 10, 2012, 07:22:09 AM After the election, Obama divorces Michelle and moves in with "body man" Reggie Love. I see... that's the only reason why he'd support SSM? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Vern on May 10, 2012, 08:04:08 AM He shot himself in the foot. Every person who was an Obama support at my work today said they aren't going to vote for him and just stay home.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Brittain33 on May 10, 2012, 08:18:54 AM He shot himself in the foot. Every person who was an Obama support at my work today said they aren't going to vote for him and just stay home. Mm-hmm. Where do you work? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 10, 2012, 08:24:16 AM After the election, Obama divorces Michelle and moves in with "body man" Reggie Love. I see... that's the only reason why he'd support SSM? No. He also needs the money and other support he'll get now from Hollywood and the other holders of the megaphones of U.S. culture. Oh ... I'm sorry, I clearly had the wrong idea about you. Thanks for the clarification! Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: © tweed on May 10, 2012, 08:29:01 AM He shot himself in the foot. Every person who was an Obama support at my work today said they aren't going to vote for him and just stay home. I love this post Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 10, 2012, 08:31:00 AM Look whose talkin'! It's probably ill-advised to make grammatical errors in 30-point bold red. () Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on May 10, 2012, 10:49:56 AM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 10, 2012, 10:52:57 AM Moral issues trump racial identity. They....no. They really don't. Quote This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. How many times must we remind you that Hispanics support gay marriage at about the same rate as whites? Are you really laboring under the delusion that Obama will sink below ~92% with blacks on account of this?! Quote He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, He didn't 'just' lose West Virginia, and Indiana was doubtful anyway. Quote made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Sure. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ajb on May 10, 2012, 10:53:58 AM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 10, 2012, 11:26:19 AM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. LOL. LOL. LOLOLOLOL. The fact remains, social class (which, in America, includes race, religion, income, gender, sexual orientation, and education to a lesser extent) is the strongest predictor of partisan preference. This has been consistent throughout American history. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 10, 2012, 11:29:47 AM Moral issues trump racial identity. And you know all about that as a member of which minority? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 10, 2012, 11:30:30 AM Moral issues trump racial identity. And you know all about that as a member of which minority? The Constitution Party minority, clearly. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 10, 2012, 12:41:32 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. And you know all about that as a member of which minority? "WHITE'S ARE A RACIAL MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY THESE DAYS, WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE HISTORY MONTH, WHY CAN'T I BE PROUD OF MY HERITAGE BY FLYING THIS FLAG FLOWN BY SLAVERY DEFENDERS??!?" - JCL probably. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Vern on May 10, 2012, 01:19:56 PM I work at McDonald's. Sorry that my grammar was off. I was in a hurry and didn't read over what I wrote.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 10, 2012, 03:14:42 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Racial identity? You do realize its the Republicans who have going on a racist/xenophobic crusade in places like Arizona and Alabama? It will be fun to watch you guys get punished. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: All Along The Watchtower on May 10, 2012, 03:20:21 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Racial identity? You do realize its the Republicans who have going on a racist/xenophobic crusade in places like Arizona and Alabama? It will be fun to watch you guys get punished. This is the same party, keep in mind, that talks about "Chicago thugs" and "illegals taking our jobs". Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: rwoy on May 10, 2012, 03:43:35 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. While you me be correct about this making Obama's life tougher in the election, it is THE RIGHT thing to do. Churchill said it best when he described the difference between a politician and a statesman. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 10, 2012, 04:49:14 PM Quick question: Does anybody have polling on the level of support for gay marriage in North Carolina prior to their recent vote against gay marriage? I am curious if the public polling strongly mirrors the private votes.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Alcon on May 10, 2012, 04:50:58 PM Quick question: Does anybody have polling on the level of support for gay marriage in North Carolina prior to their recent vote against gay marriage? I am curious if the public polling strongly mirrors the private votes. PPP had it underwater 34%-57% in their most recent poll of the legal/illegal question. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 10, 2012, 04:57:40 PM Quick question: Does anybody have polling on the level of support for gay marriage in North Carolina prior to their recent vote against gay marriage? I am curious if the public polling strongly mirrors the private votes. PPP had it underwater 34%-57% in their most recent poll of the legal/illegal question. So a pretty close fit. Thanks. I'd rather gay marriage not become political football again, like it was in 2004, but then again I support Obama's position. However, he should have come out in favor of this two or three years ago. He's politicized it, and it's a bit unseemly for a president, really, just like it was when Bush pulled this stunt eight years ago, albeit in the opposite direction. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 10, 2012, 06:34:04 PM In a way, if he had come out with this just before the convention, it would have politicized it more than it will now. The backlash could have been stronger against him. I think in the end the timing worked out well for Obama, thanks to Biden's gaffe prone mouth. :P
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on May 10, 2012, 06:57:19 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. And you know all about that as a member of which minority? The Cherokee Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Racial identity? You do realize its the Republicans who have going on a racist/xenophobic crusade in places like Arizona and Alabama? It will be fun to watch you guys get punished. Those laws are not racist/xenophobic "WHITE'S ARE A RACIAL MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY THESE DAYS, WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE HISTORY MONTH, WHY CAN'T I BE PROUD OF MY HERITAGE BY FLYING THIS FLAG FLOWN BY SLAVERY DEFENDERS??!?" - JCL probably. I would've sided with King and the Civil Rights movement back in the 1960's and he'd be siding with me now on marriage. Conservatives were the ones fighting for the rights of all Americans regardless of race, creed color, or national origin. The left in this country is more infected with racism because of men like Woodrow Wilson. Men like Coolidge, a conservative Republican, spearheaded laws to give full citizen rights to Native Americans and wanted to extend them to African Americans but it was the left who stopped him from doing so. Ones sexual orientation is not an intrinsic difference like race, creed, religion, national origin or color and the cultural norm as it has been since God had Adam take a nap and from his rib made Eve one married someone of the opposite gender. Allowing this manner of marriage was unthinkable to the Founders and the other greats of antiquity. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 10, 2012, 07:26:45 PM LOL at our founders having firm opinions regarding gay marriage.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 10, 2012, 07:36:11 PM This election will be fought, won, and lost on the economy, not gay marriage.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: milhouse24 on May 10, 2012, 09:19:31 PM Obama has fooled Liberals once again!
Obama has made another empty promise and campaign rhetoric. Obama has lied about supporting Federal Gay Marriage. Obama claims that he only supports gay marriage in the states rights. Obama thinks that gay activists and college students are dumb enough to fall for campaign issues that he has no political control. Gay marriage is decided by the supreme court, not by the president. If obama really did support Federal gay marriage, he should pass the law immediately instead of waiting until 2013. This is just a simple money grab for Donations and a way to manipulate the liberal media into cheerleading for Obama's re-election, even though most people in the media realize that its a false mandate. One of the major issues of federal gay marriage is Green Card citizenship, which is a component of Homeland Security. There is no way Homeland security will ever support gay marriage as a means to american citizenship. It will be the mega millions lottery for the entire country of mexico. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 10, 2012, 09:26:54 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Racial identity? You do realize its the Republicans who have going on a racist/xenophobic crusade in places like Arizona and Alabama? It will be fun to watch you guys get punished. Those laws are not racist/xenophobic [/quote] That's not up to you to decide but rather those who would be affected by it. It's easy as hell for you as a white guy to not care much about it but Latinos and Asians are the ones who would be stopped just because some racist cop has a "reasonable suspicion" they are in this country illegally. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 10, 2012, 11:01:39 PM The Log Cabin Republicans attacking Obama for declaring he supports gay marriage the day after Amendment One passed is total fail. Go vote for Romney who doesn't support civil unions, you losers.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ilikeverin on May 10, 2012, 11:32:20 PM I would've sided with King and the Civil Rights movement back in the 1960's and he'd be siding with me now on marriage. Perhaps you'd like to hear what Coretta Scott King (http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/coretta_king_2.htm) has to say about the subject? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I reckon she knew more about what he'd think than you do... Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on May 10, 2012, 11:36:11 PM If obama really did support Federal gay marriage, he should pass the law immediately instead of waiting until 2013. You do realize that Obama is not a dictator able to make laws on his own, don't you? You do realize that there is no way a repeal of DOMA would pass the House or escape the filibuster in the Senate right now? (Even without the filibuster, DOMA repeal would be problematic in the Senate.) Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Peeperkorn on May 11, 2012, 10:38:43 AM Oh, now the mormen won't vote for him.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: milhouse24 on May 11, 2012, 12:44:37 PM I cannot believe that Gay Activists and Obama do not support polygamy. What a bunch of hypocrites!
If Gay Activists really support marriage freedom, they would also support polygamy. At least Romney supports polygamy, its time for Obama and Gay activists to step up. There are literally thousands of children who suffer from divorced families. Polygamy will help alleviate the suffering that these children have with single moms and absentee fathers. Polygamy is actually beneficial for children because there are larger families to offer support. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Politico on May 11, 2012, 06:20:24 PM At least Romney supports polygamy Not true. Quote There are literally thousands of children who suffer from divorced families. Polygamy will help alleviate the suffering that these children have with single moms and absentee fathers. Polygamy is actually beneficial for children because there are larger families to offer support. This is actually interesting. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Torie on May 11, 2012, 07:39:46 PM Moral issues trump racial identity. This will bite Obama in the hindquarters amongst AA's and Latinos for sure. He just lost Indiana, West Virginia, made his life harder in Virginia, North Carolina, and possibly Ohio, Colorado, Missouri, and Florida. Racial identity? You do realize its the Republicans who have going on a racist/xenophobic crusade in places like Arizona and Alabama? It will be fun to watch you guys get punished. Those laws are not racist/xenophobic That's not up to you to decide but rather those who would be affected by it. It's easy as hell for you as a white guy to not care much about it but Latinos and Asians are the ones who would be stopped just because some racist cop has a "reasonable suspicion" they are in this country illegally. [/quote] Is the AZ law in actual operation yet? Maybe we should see how it works in practice, before assuming that it will become suspect to be driving while brown. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Sbane on May 11, 2012, 09:33:35 PM Wasn't it basically neutered by the courts?
Really immigration status should only be questioned while entering the country or when getting a job. Also if you have been convicted of a crime. Having people carry their immigration documention with them all the time is not a good idea at all. Things like that should be kept in safe keeping like your house. If you dont have a drivers license (which is not enough if you got it from NM, UT or WA) you would have to carry that with you to comply with this law. And it would also authorize your arrest without a warrant if you don't have it at any point. And of course only non-whites would ever be asked for it. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Holmes on May 11, 2012, 10:01:15 PM Oh boy. I read one page of this thread and see someone assuming Martin Luther King Jr.'s position on same-sex marriage, the same person using the founding fathers to justify his crappy position, and a troll using polygamy as bait. At least reading Coretta Scott King's quotes were lovely.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Nutmeg on May 12, 2012, 09:48:02 AM There is no way Homeland security will ever support gay marriage as a means to american citizenship. So you are saying that the Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security will defy the President of the United States by opposing his policy position? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Brittain33 on May 12, 2012, 12:08:01 PM Is the AZ law in actual operation yet? Maybe we should see how it works in practice, before assuming that it will become suspect to be driving while brown. In Maricopa County, which is far and away the largest jurisdiction in AZ, the sheriff already profiles heavily and abuses Latinos who are legal residents or citizens. Check out the recent report/indictment. This law, if cleared, would remove some of the few obstacles not currently being observed to preventing him from abusing minorities. It would require a massive change of his m.o. of the past 20 years for him not to profile. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 12, 2012, 01:46:04 PM Oh boy. I read one page of this thread and see someone assuming Martin Luther King Jr.'s position on same-sex marriage, the same person using the founding fathers to justify his crappy position, and a troll using polygamy as bait. At least reading Coretta Scott King's quotes were lovely. Well said, well said. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on May 12, 2012, 07:19:12 PM I would've sided with King and the Civil Rights movement back in the 1960's and he'd be siding with me now on marriage. Perhaps you'd like to hear what Coretta Scott King (http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/coretta_king_2.htm) has to say about the subject? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I reckon she knew more about what he'd think than you do... Her and MLK disagreed about many an issue. Ask his niece Alvea. On this the left is on the wrong side of history. So come out of your freedom hating delusion. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: bgwah on May 13, 2012, 01:58:29 AM Rand Paul chimes in: http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-senator-i-wasnt-sure-the-presidents-views-o
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Franzl on May 13, 2012, 02:24:34 AM Rand Paul chimes in: http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-senator-i-wasnt-sure-the-presidents-views-o Indeed a freedom loving man. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 13, 2012, 02:53:31 AM Rand Paul chimes in: http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-senator-i-wasnt-sure-the-presidents-views-o Indeed a freedom loving man. Why do people think that Rand Paul is a libertarian? He attacks Obama for supporting gay marriage. He supports special tax breaks for oil companies. He wants to ban abortions. He wants to repeal birthright citizenship. I'm sure there are plenty more views like that. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on May 13, 2012, 07:53:28 AM I would've sided with King and the Civil Rights movement back in the 1960's and he'd be siding with me now on marriage. Perhaps you'd like to hear what Coretta Scott King (http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/coretta_king_2.htm) has to say about the subject? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I reckon she knew more about what he'd think than you do... Her and MLK disagreed about many an issue. Ask his niece Alvea. On this the left is on the wrong side of history. So come out of your freedom hating delusion. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 13, 2012, 03:59:01 PM I am so pleased to see that when making Presidential decisions with far reaching consequences for the entire nation that the President depends on the advice of his two daughters, ages 14 and 11.
That really makes me feel confident in the direction the nation is headed. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on May 13, 2012, 04:03:44 PM I am so pleased to see that when making Presidential decisions with far reaching consequences for the entire nation that the President depends on the advice of his two daughters, ages 14 and 11. That really makes me feel confident in the direction the nation is headed. Are you self-parodying or do you really not understand the significance of generational concerns, which for most people are expressed in their family relationships, to cultural issues? Weren't you the same person who was defending Mitt Romney having his wife who has never held paid employment as his economic point-woman? Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on May 13, 2012, 04:43:29 PM It is very amusing watching the right-wing amateurs in this thread jump from one awkward and pathetic argument to the next, not understanding (or likely caring) how dumb they look.
Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: jaichind on May 13, 2012, 07:00:20 PM Oh boy. I read one page of this thread and see someone assuming Martin Luther King Jr.'s position on same-sex marriage, the same person using the founding fathers to justify his crappy position, and a troll using polygamy as bait. At least reading Coretta Scott King's quotes were lovely. Well, for me the polygamy issue is critial for me in this gay marriage debate. I main problem with gay marriage is not the position itself but what agenda I preceive is driving it. In my view gay marriage is more about making the gay lifestyle socially acceptable. I am very much for the government not dictating who can get married and who could not. In that sense I am very much for making gay marriage legal. At the same time I am opposed to using the power of the government to even give the impression that certain social views are acceptable and mainstream and certain views are not. My concern about gay marriage being about pushing the gay lifestyle agenda can be mitigated if we combine that with polygamy legalization which I also support as well. The issue should be about free choice and not a lifestyle agenda. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 13, 2012, 09:02:58 PM It is very amusing watching the Corrected. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on May 13, 2012, 09:27:34 PM It is very amusing watching the Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: pbrower2a on May 14, 2012, 12:03:53 AM I would've sided with King and the Civil Rights movement back in the 1960's and he'd be siding with me now on marriage. Perhaps you'd like to hear what Coretta Scott King (http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/coretta_king_2.htm) has to say about the subject? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I reckon she knew more about what he'd think than you do... Her and MLK disagreed about many an issue. Ask his niece Alvea. On this the left is on the wrong side of history. So come out of your freedom hating delusion. You assume a rapid, effective, and permanent backlash against same-sex marriage. You cannot assume the direction of the arrow of history. Title: Re: Obama Backs Gay Marriage! Post by: milhouse24 on May 15, 2012, 11:57:55 AM Romney donor pulls support, backs Obama, over same-sex marriage according to cnn. I can see more gay donors leaving the romney ship."I feel that I no longer wish to support your presidential campaign and ask that you please return the maximum contribution that I gave to you last year," Bill White wrote in a letter addressed to the former Massachusetts governor and obtained by CNN. "You have chosen to be on the wrong side of history and I do not support your run for president any longer," White added. CNN contacted the Romney campaign but did not receive a response. White is the chairman and CEO of the New York-based consulting firm Constellations Group. He was previously the president of the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum – the cultural and educational institution whose major presence is the floating World War II Intrepid aircraft carrier sitting on the Hudson River. White told CNN he has advocated on behalf of injured and fallen veterans for 20 years - being awarded the Meritorious Public Service Award from the Coast Guard and from the Navy. White told CNN he is a registered independent who has supported both Republicans and Democrats in the past, including former presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. FEC records show that White contributed to both Republicans and Democrats over the years, including Hillary Clinton in 2008. Most recently, White gave $2,500 to Romney for President, Inc., according to FEC records. White began his letter to Romney stating, "I am currently a max donor to your 2012 presidential campaign." He did not fundraise for the Romney campaign, though he said his partner and some friends also contributed to Romney. In his letter, White goes on to mention the president's public announcement of his personal support for same-sex marriage last week. I doubt this guy voted for McCain or George W Bush. They weren't exactly supporting gay marriage. Even Obama never supported gay marriage in 2008, and is really powerless to change federal laws. Its just silly, and if White only cares about social issues, then he should have been with Obama all along. I think its odd that Obama wants to make Gay Rights his primary re-election issue, but its the only thing he's got going for him, even if its all talk and limited action. |