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Title: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Psychic Octopus on May 11, 2012, 09:11:27 PM I know that there are a few Game of Thrones/ASoIaF fans here. Who do you support in the current war? Does anyone have multiple, conflicting allegiances (I know I do...)? This may be posted a bit late, considering recent... developments. The asterisk is for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on May 11, 2012, 11:11:45 PM Clearly Robb is the most likeable (if he can keep his stupid mother from farking things up further). The dragon lady and the brothers would be the next most likable. Greyjoy and Joffrey are both unlikable and Joffrey is one of the most unlikable people I've ever seen on TV. He's up there with Janice Soprano and Ally McBeel. Seeing him die is going to be great.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Platypus on May 14, 2012, 05:39:14 AM Haven't seen the series, but I've read all the books so far, and so for me the war of five kings is almost insignificant.
/pretentiousness Robb Stark is clearly the one we're meant to support, but I'm in favour of Stannis because he is the rightful heir, so... him. Although Dani is cool. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 14, 2012, 05:41:50 AM Who else calls this programme 'Musical Chairs'? Just curious, like.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Mr. Morden on May 27, 2012, 07:44:46 AM Intrade odds on the War of the Five Kings get discussed in this mock Bloggingheads Game of Thrones discussion:
http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/9795?in=23:37&out=25:02 Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on May 27, 2012, 11:12:28 AM Stannis (and his onion knight sidekick) is really growing on me. Good to see Rob realize his mother is good at only one thing, funking things up. The Imp is one of the greatest characters ever.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on May 27, 2012, 12:16:48 PM Going by A Clash of Kings, since I just finished it and I haven't watched any of season 2: Robb > Renly > Stannis > Greyjoy > Joffrey. Though honestly, living under any of them would have me on the first boat to the Free Cities, so I voted for Daenerys.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on May 27, 2012, 07:50:04 PM Stannis, as he's the only claimant who'd be even marginally competent as a ruler. (Also, Davos Seaworth is my favorite character in the entire series.) More or less this. Robb is a great leader of men but we saw where that gets you absent administrative tact in the person of Robert Baratheon. I don't share the hate for Cat but she's, shall we say, less than an ideal advisor. If Robb had better help I'd probably support Northern independence with Stannis ruling the Southern kingdoms. The Ironborn have an extremely good case for independence, culturally speaking, but said culture is such that an independent Ironborn nation-state would from a realpolitik point of view be undesirable for pretty much every non-Ironborn on the planet within reach of saltwater. Also Balon is a bit of a cock even by their standards. Renly is a toom tabard and Joffrey is one of the most disgusting people ever. The Onion Knight is wonderful, although the nickname makes me think of a certain minor character from Utena, which is a little arresting. Dany is great and admirable in many ways but has some of the same problems as Robb for reasons that become apparent later on. I should point out that I've read the books so I know how this plays out, but hindsight actually doesn't change much in terms of who I personally support. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Mr. Morden on May 28, 2012, 10:34:17 AM Apropos: http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/9795 Ummmm....: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=153438.msg3309589#msg3309589 Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Vosem on May 28, 2012, 01:57:32 PM Easily Stannis, but then I've read all the books.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on May 28, 2012, 02:26:44 PM Finally got a battle scene last night...pretty well done too. The Greek Fire bit may have been a bit....much?....over-the-top? Daddy Lanister is NOT going to be happy when he finds out Joffrey was hiding in his room.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Psychic Octopus on May 28, 2012, 11:28:57 PM After that last episode, Stannis proved that he was a badass. People first up the latter usually get sliced to bits. Not Stannis! He cut a guy's skull in half.
I think that the best outcome would as of right now would be northern independence with Stannis on the Iron Throne. I don't think that is likely to happen, though. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on May 29, 2012, 01:29:04 AM Can't we chop all of their heads off and install Tywin and Arya as co-rulers?
(I know, I know, that's not how it happens in the book) Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 29, 2012, 02:00:13 AM Obviously Joffrey is a c[inks]t, but him being king would basically mean Charles Dance is in charge of everything which would be the best possible option.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: John Dibble on May 29, 2012, 06:39:10 AM Screw all of those options, put Tyrion on the throne.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on May 29, 2012, 10:20:18 AM The best outcome is, I think, an older and wiser (preferably through means other than being brainwashed by Baelish, but beggars can't be choosers) Sansa on the Iron Throne, with Stannis as Hand, mainly since I'll defend Sansa as a dynamic and growing character until the day I die, but the set of circumstances required for that to happen are, uh...not especially broad or likely.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on May 30, 2012, 09:52:30 PM ()
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on May 30, 2012, 10:58:13 PM The Hound is stone cold. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Silent Hunter on May 31, 2012, 03:57:09 AM Who else calls this programme 'Musical Chairs'? Just curious, like. Not me - I call it Game of No Clothes personally. I think one of those options is permanently off the table though. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: John Dibble on May 31, 2012, 04:31:28 PM Who else calls this programme 'Musical Chairs'? Just curious, like. Not me - I call it Game of No Clothes personally. I think one of those options is permanently off the table though. What, you don't think that Renly's ghost will return to claim the Iron Throne and declare the decapitated zombie head of Ned Stark to be his Hand? Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on June 03, 2012, 03:56:38 AM Just watched the 1st episode of this Game of Thrones thing.
Pretty good so far, but that blonde guy (who's sister is hot) is somewhat crazy. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on June 03, 2012, 04:16:16 AM Just watched the 1st episode of this Game of Thrones thing. Pretty good so far, but that blonde guy (who's sister is hot) is somewhat crazy. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on June 03, 2012, 04:28:36 AM Just watched the 1st episode of this Game of Thrones thing. Pretty good so far, but that blonde guy (who's sister is hot) is somewhat crazy. No, I mean the blonde guy who forced his sister to marry that warrior guy, not that other blonde guy who f[inks]ed that woman in the tower while being watched by the 10 year old boy. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on June 03, 2012, 04:38:27 AM OH! Yeah, he's nucking futs. Arguably the second most hateable character on the show. (and yes, his sister is quite hot...but quite crazy too) And to make it worse, in the books she is like 12 or something when Conan rapes her. Obviously they couldn't do that in the TV show. Well, I guess they could, but it would have been even more disturbing than it was...and it was pretty freaking disturbing.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on June 03, 2012, 04:50:20 AM OH! Yeah, he's nucking futs. Arguably the second most hateable character on the show. (and yes, his sister is quite hot...but quite crazy too) And to make it worse, in the books she is like 12 or something when Conan rapes her. Obviously they couldn't do that in the TV show. Well, I guess they could, but it would have been even more disturbing than it was...and it was pretty freaking disturbing. Didn't get that impression in the first episode. Maybe later she gets crazier (but don't tell anything, I want to watch it ... :P) Yeah, in the TV show she looks like 18 or 20, not 12. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on June 03, 2012, 05:11:57 AM Is back story ok? If not, don't highlight the rest of this post ;) (no spoilers, just stuff that happened before the events in the show)
The Targaryens often married siblings to each other and often had "crazy" kids because of it. The last Targaryen King was called "the Mad King" because he was nuts. So crazy runs in the family. Plus she was born during the war that saw her family all killed except for her asshole brother and her. Then abused by him (I believe the books hint that it's sexual abuse, but the TV show is less clear on that) and then forced into marriage with a barbarian. Then repeatidly raped by that barbarian....yeah, I'd be a little nuts too. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: John Dibble on June 03, 2012, 09:59:11 AM Just watched the 1st episode of this Game of Thrones thing. Pretty good so far, but that blonde guy (who's sister is hot) is somewhat crazy. No, I mean the blonde guy who forced his sister to marry that warrior guy, not that other blonde guy who f[inks]ed that woman in the tower while being watched by the 10 year old boy. Easy for us to get that confused - the two going at it in the tower are siblings as well. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Leftbehind on June 03, 2012, 12:10:42 PM Guessing this is the no-spoilers thread, given the new thread started, so I'll stop avoiding it.
To answer the question: Rob Stark - Northerners rule! Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Nhoj on June 03, 2012, 09:29:40 PM Stannis or dany are for me are the only ones I can support, and both honestly have legitimate claims to the throne.
Big spoilers for all books in small text below besides everyone else on that list is dead. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: bgwah on June 04, 2012, 03:03:42 AM Great finale, but I don't want to wait a whole year. :(
Those little dragons are just so darn cute. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Platypus on June 07, 2012, 08:30:16 AM Just finished watching the first season.
I know this is a cliche, but... THE BOOKS ARE SO MUCH BETTER. The show has lost so so so much detail. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: John Dibble on June 07, 2012, 09:29:20 AM Just finished watching the first season. I know this is a cliche, but... THE BOOKS ARE SO MUCH BETTER. The show has lost so so so much detail. It's the inevitability of adaptation from book to visual media. You can't include everything. I do think the series is about as good an adaptation as you could get, though. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on June 07, 2012, 11:36:56 AM I was just talking to a friend last night about how I personally would love some really cheesy, camp classic adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire where the acting and scripts were good but for example Dany's dragons were clearly animatronic and the Wall was an obvious matte painting. Sadly, I doubt anybody else would.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on June 15, 2012, 06:38:52 AM HBO sorry over 'George Bush' head in Game of Thrones
link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18441163) Quote The makers of Game of Thrones have apologised for a decapitated head resembling George W Bush that appeared in the first series. HBO said it was "deeply dismayed" about the head's likeness to the former US president. It appears in a scene where King Joffrey shows Sansa Stark her father's head on a spike. Show creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss also put out a statement apologising for any offence caused. They explained that the show used many fake body parts, many which were rented out. "After the scene was already shot, someone pointed out that one of the heads looked like George W. Bush. "In the DVD commentary, we mentioned this, though we should not have. "We meant no disrespect to the former President and apologize if anything we said or did suggested otherwise." HBO's statement also described the matter as "unacceptable, disrespectful and in very bad taste". "We made this clear to the executive producers of the series who apologized immediately for this inadvertent careless mistake. "We are sorry this happened and will have it removed from any future DVD production." The head appears in profile in the final episode of the first series. In the DVD commentary to the show, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss mention its apparent likeness to George W Bush. <snip> () Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on June 17, 2012, 12:17:35 AM After seen Season One, I voted "Robb Stark".
BTW: How does this head look like GWB ? It's only a side view. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: President von Cat on June 19, 2012, 10:49:49 AM Yeah, not sure I get what all the hullaballoo is about.
Has anyone here NOT read the books? I have finished A Storm of Swords, and OH MAN does it turn everything on its head! Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on June 19, 2012, 12:44:48 PM Has anyone here NOT read the books? I didn't read them. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on June 19, 2012, 10:46:24 PM Me either.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on June 20, 2012, 12:35:35 AM I found a good offer (all 5 books in English for 30€) and ordered them.
Too bad they have more than 5000 pages though ... :P Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: patrick1 on June 20, 2012, 10:23:01 AM Game of Thrones Political Attack Ads
Friend forwarded these courtesy of Mother Jones. Pretty funny stuff. Daenerys Targaryen: Wrong For Dragons, Wrong For The Realm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4HVlV7wZU&list=UUbWB33FQvFiV0Pq9Calkgzw&index=3&feature=plcp Joffrey Baratheon: Where Is The Birth Certificate? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzw2ZiMt3y4&list=UUbWB33FQvFiV0Pq9Calkgzw&index=2&feature=plcp Robb Stark: The Biggest Celebrity in The North http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6r9CdNenuk&list=UUbWB33FQvFiV0Pq9Calkgzw&index=1&feature=plcp Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Cobbler on June 20, 2012, 12:39:42 PM I'm supporting Daenerys for the throne, but if Joffrey's power wanes (and Tywin/Tyrion's grows) than I'm conflicted and might support Lannister.
I'm also partial to Greyjoy purely because the Kraken is an awesome sigil. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Zioneer on June 22, 2012, 01:44:35 AM Stannis is the rightful king. Dany is of the blood of the crazed King Aerys, Robb Stark is an overgrown boy who is immature and unreasonable, Balon Greyjoy is a pathetic pirate, Joffrey is a little monster, and Renly, well, the less said about him, the better.
Stannis would bring order and stability to Westeros! And he's the only one who recognizes the threat of the Others. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: John Dibble on June 22, 2012, 10:57:17 AM [Minor spoiler, nothing specific. Highlight to read] With so many votes for Robb and Dany, there must be a lot of non-readers here. All else aside, both prove themselves horribly incompetent and at least somewhat unlikable over the next several books. Guess I'll spoilerify my response, though won't post any blatant spoilers. I think in both cases "horribly incompetent" isn't justified. Inexperienced might be a better term. Rob is quite competent at war strategy, but not dealing with political crises and his youthful passion made him make that one really big blunder. You know the one. Dany is quite competent, but she lacks experience and is fully aware of that fact, which is why she opted to get some before heading to Westeros. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian. on June 23, 2012, 03:29:53 AM I was just talking to a friend last night about how I personally would love some really cheesy, camp classic adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire where the acting and scripts were good but for example Dany's dragons were clearly animatronic and the Wall was an obvious matte painting. Sadly, I doubt anybody else would. I'm imagining something like Ralph Bakshi's take on LOTR. I'd watch. I was thinking more like a cross between a Ray Harryhausen creature flick and old-school Doctor Who. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on July 06, 2012, 11:55:23 PM Hmm, after watching the episodes thru Season 2, Episode 7 it seems that Theon is quite crazy as well ... :P I thought he'd be more of the good ones.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: dead0man on July 07, 2012, 12:40:58 AM Yeah, that wasn't what I was expecting from him either. I don't know what happens to him, but I've heard the audience will end up feeling sorry for the guy. I'm not sure how that's possible after what he does in season 2.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Niemeyerite on July 07, 2012, 07:06:23 AM I'm watching the 8th episode of Season 2, and, for the moment, I support Daenerys Targaryen and Robb Stark. I'll read the books this summer, I can't wait until 2013. And my favourite character is, by far, Arya Stark, followed by Daenerys and Tyrion Lannister.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on July 07, 2012, 07:10:12 AM I'm watching the 8th episode of Season 2, and, for the moment, I support Daenerys Targaryen and Robb Stark. I'll read the books this summer, I can't wait until 2013. And my favourite character is, by far, Arya Stark, followed by Daenerys and Tyrion Lannister. Do you watch it in English or Spanish-dubbed ? Because in Austria/Germany, only the 7th episode of the 2nd season is dubbed. With 3 still missing, but those will be aired in the next 3 weeks here. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Niemeyerite on July 07, 2012, 08:50:27 AM I'm watching the 8th episode of Season 2, and, for the moment, I support Daenerys Targaryen and Robb Stark. I'll read the books this summer, I can't wait until 2013. And my favourite character is, by far, Arya Stark, followed by Daenerys and Tyrion Lannister. Do you watch it in English or Spanish-dubbed ? Because in Austria/Germany, only the 7th episode of the 2nd season is dubbed. With 3 still missing, but those will be aired in the next 3 weeks here. They're all dubbed, but I've watched some chapters in English, to improve my comprehension skills. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: John Dibble on July 07, 2012, 11:43:00 AM Hmm, after watching the episodes thru Season 2, Episode 7 it seems that Theon is quite crazy as well ... :P I thought he'd be more of the good ones. Theon isn't crazy, he's human. You don't have to be crazy to do terrible things to other human beings. Theon is isolated and desperate for acceptance - he's been a hostage for most of his life and so wasn't fully accepted by the Starks, his own father let him be taken and then treated him like garbage when he returned, and his own people don't respect him. Since he can't really go back to the Starks, he has to try to get the acceptance of his own people. Unfortunately his people happen to respect leaders with a brutal streak. Yeah, that wasn't what I was expecting from him either. I don't know what happens to him, but I've heard the audience will end up feeling sorry for the guy. I'm not sure how that's possible after what he does in season 2. I won't spoil anything for you, but since Theon isn't a sociopath it's actually possible to empathize with him even when he's done terrible things. He's leagues away from being the worst monster in the series. Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on July 07, 2012, 11:56:29 PM Does anyone of you know exactly what children were shown behind Theon at the end of S02E07, when he called the residents of Winterfell to the square incl. the old man ? I can probably imagine who it was, but I'm not sure. Or is it revealed in epidode 8 ? If so, please just say so.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Platypus on July 08, 2012, 06:52:54 AM Your suspicions, whatever they make be, are almost certainly correct.
Title: Re: Who do you support in the War of Five Kings? (Game of Thrones on HBO) Post by: Tender Branson on July 13, 2012, 04:42:18 AM Does anyone of you know exactly what children were shown behind Theon at the end of S02E07, when he called the residents of Winterfell to the square incl. the old man ? I can probably imagine who it was, but I'm not sure. Or is it revealed in epidode 8 ? If so, please just say so. I've now watched episode 8 and it seems they killed the Farmer's boys instead of Bran and his younger brother. Also, Robb Stark and his "nurse" from Volantis would make a perfect King and Queen from what I've seen in this episode. And she's quite hot too ... ;) |