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Title: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Law'd)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 18, 2012, 07:03:36 PM
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Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) The probable gestational age and characteristics of the unborn child at the time the abortion will be performed.

(2) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(3) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(4) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.

(5) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

4- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

5- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

6- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

7- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

8- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.

Sponsor: Clarence


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 18, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
Uh-oh, Clarence is gone, and my 24 hour rule is in place.

Did he post a Leave of Absence other than his post in his campaign thread? Should I count that for these purposes (I doubt they would hold up with regards to the activity requirement for the Senate for instance.)


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 19, 2012, 02:47:50 PM
I'm back...


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 19, 2012, 07:34:44 PM
If I see a post advocating for this by tomorrow, I will decline to notice that time expire thirty minutes ago. ;D


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 10:22:33 AM
Senators- this legislation is not designed to ban abortion but to provide altrnatives...helping women thru a difficult pregnancy both financially and moral support. It connects women with support centers and adoption centers.
I believe the clauses are fairly straightforward and would welcome any questions and comments


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Frodo on May 20, 2012, 10:36:03 AM
This bill has my full support, for what it's worth. 


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: ilikeverin on May 20, 2012, 01:31:56 PM
I'm a bit worried about the provisions in 2 being a form of indirect coercion; for example, it is unclear in 2b1 what "characteristics" would be mentioned here.  3 is also a bit odd.  Otherwise, most of this seems just fine; it would be nice to see a more-explicit endorsement of and/or support for genetic counseling in 7, which will undoubtedly be helpful as we are able to diagnose more and more things before birth (and, even more critically for the job of a genetic counselor, know that people are at higher risks for certain things, which is where it starts getting confusing).


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 20, 2012, 02:13:34 PM
I like the intentions of this bill, but my only concern is that certain pregnancy centers, including federally funded ones, have been known to spread misinformation and use scare tactics (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/07/08/crisis-deception-fake-clinics-spread-misinformation-federal-dime) when counseling women.  How would we ensure that women and tax dollars are only going to health care centers that provide accurate and honest information?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 20, 2012, 07:17:47 PM
I echo Scott's concerns, especially in regards to 2(b), which I feel could get very slanted, depending on where the medical facility is located.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 07:25:10 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 20, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 07:33:50 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 20, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
I support the intent behind this Bill... but I equally agree with Governor Napoleon on this that the mechanics are a disaster waiting to happen.

In my Budget proposal, which I hope will find a Senate sponsor, I've increased support for both adoption and foster services.

I do have deep concerns about the need to 'inform' women, as if they are unaware that adoption and other support services exist. I don't object to some degree of information being available about the nature of services available, but I do object to this being used as some sort of thinly veiled pro-life campaign.

Services like this exist or have existed in other countries, and have had little impact besides causing further emotional distress for women at a very difficult time. Section two in particular seems deliberately designed to instill tremendous guilt in women. Again suggesting that women don't really 'understand' what they're doing.

Another element that deeply concerns me are sections 6 and 8, the purchasing of ultrasound equipment seems to have only one purpose, and section 8 seems to be about giving funds to pro-life organisations.

I'm happy to support measures to ensure people who wish to adopt and women who wish to put their baby up for adoption have the means to do so. I want women to have support for whatever decision they make. However, it's not the state's role to force a particular decision on them.

I won't sign a Bill that will create the mechanisms this Bill seeks to create.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Sbane on May 20, 2012, 07:41:54 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.

I agree with this, though this bill has good parts as well. Do hopefully we will pass an amended version of this bill.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 20, 2012, 07:42:39 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.

I agree with this, though this bill has good parts as well. Do hopefully we will pass an amended version of this bill.

I doubt the sponsor will be happy with removing what will need to be to make this palatable.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 20, 2012, 07:50:02 PM
Thank you Napoleon and Mr. President.  What you've said does impact my views on this bill.

I will not support this law if it gives money to pro-life organizations or any health care center that uses lies, scare tactics, or guilt as a way of convincing women not to have abortions.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 07:52:30 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.
As usual- you sure do show the poise that can bring people together ;-)

For those of you who- unlike Napoleon- had constructive comments...I see and understand your concerns...I will be proposing an amendment tonite to hopefully address most of them


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.
As usual- you sure do show the poise that can bring people together ;-)

The word "all" suggests bringing everyone together, true?

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For those of you who- unlike Napoleon- had constructive comments...I see and understand your concerns...I will be proposing an amendment tonite to hopefully address most of them

Don't be mad that I actually read through these right-wing bills you keep proposing before forming my opinion.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 07:58:29 PM



The word "all" suggests bringing everyone together, true?
If by every one you mean those on the left- sure you have attempted to bring them together by- for example- coercing an entire party to back you... but that's for another time

Rather then see value in certain parts of the bill- which others did and which I have aimed to do with every bill- you label the entire bill a "disaster" with no attempt to find common ground or work together... you are the equivalent in Atlasia of the Tea Party in your lack of willingness to compromise and abrasive attitude...your politics may not be extreme (I'm no expert on your views) but your tactics certainly are
Polnut- despite my disagreements with him- has brought people together and acted in a way a leader should... with dignity and respect for opposing views. I wish your attitude would match your intelligence pal


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 20, 2012, 08:04:42 PM
Clarence, can you answer the concerns that Scott, myself, and others have about Section 2?  At the moment, I cannot support this legislation.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:07:36 PM
Clarence, can you answer the concerns that Scott, myself, and others have about Section 2?  At the moment, I cannot support this legislation.
Absolutely- as mentioned working on an amendment which I believe addresses those concerns...
In general- I would not propose putting federal funding into any clinic or institution which will lie to women or pressure, coerce, or shame them. 2b1 is- on second thought- meant for that purpose and I will delete that in my amendment


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 20, 2012, 08:11:39 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.

I agree with this, though this bill has good parts as well. Do hopefully we will pass an amended version of this bill.

I doubt the sponsor will be happy with removing what will need to be to make this palatable.

Isn't that dependent more upon what makes any six Senators happy, rather than the sponsor? :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 20, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.

I agree with this, though this bill has good parts as well. Do hopefully we will pass an amended version of this bill.

I doubt the sponsor will be happy with removing what will need to be to make this palatable.

Isn't that dependent more upon what makes any six Senators happy, rather than the sponsor? :P

You know what I mean :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 20, 2012, 08:14:30 PM
This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.

I agree with this, though this bill has good parts as well. Do hopefully we will pass an amended version of this bill.

I doubt the sponsor will be happy with removing what will need to be to make this palatable.

Isn't that dependent more upon what makes any six Senators happy, rather than the sponsor? :P

You know what I mean :P

I just don't like seeing bills get trashcanned, especially when they have already blown through two pages. If a palatable version exists, then we should try to find it.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 08:21:08 PM
The only coercion relevant to this bill is the coercion against a woman's choice that exists in nearly every clause of this bill. I see that you would rather toss out ad hominems then actually defend whatever merits you see in this bill that is indeed a disaster waiting to happen.

Section 3 is not worthy of support. Section 2, the problems have already been outlined. Section 5 harasses women repeatedly about their pregnancy. Section 6 and 8 have already been discussed by the President and Section 7 allows the government to collect personal information about pregnant women without their consent. I don't believe any party of this bill should be supported and I think the Senate should read these bills before forming their opinions. This bill would do a lot of harm and not much good, most of the services are already available and exist in this bill only to give the illusion that this anti-choice bill is helping women. I wont be fooled by it.

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3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

Seriously, guys? Once you take out the horrible parts of this bill, you are left with a small number of happy-sounding clauses that don't change current law much, if at all. Compromise? You can't meet a disaster in the middle. I stand by my comments and repudiate your attacks on my desire for compromise. There is no room for compromise on the bulk of this bill.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:25:06 PM
The only coercion relevant to this bill is the coercion against a woman's choice that exists in nearly every clause of this bill. I see that you would rather toss out ad hominems then actually defend whatever merits you see in this bill that is indeed a disaster waiting to happen.

Section 3 is not worthy of support. Section 2, the problems have already been outlined. Section 5 harasses women repeatedly about their pregnancy. Section 6 and 8 have already been discussed by the President and Section 7 allows the government to collect personal information about pregnant women without their consent. I don't believe any party of this bill should be supported and I think the Senate should read these bills before forming their opinions. This bill would do a lot of harm and not much good, most of the services are already available and exist in this bill only to give the illusion that this anti-choice bill is helping women. I wont be fooled by it.
Well thus far- your opinion is unique as others have found positive aspects or at least recognized the intention. As I've announced- I'm working on an amendment to address productive concerns expressd by others...rather then propose some yourself as others have, you choose to flatly disregard the entire bill and assume its supporters haven't read it and assume that I fluffed it in an effort to "fool" Senators into supporting it


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 08:33:05 PM
I am not going to do the Senate's job. I stopped by to offer my opinion as an Atlasian citizen. Not as Governor, not as a candidate, simply as a citizen who sees the irreparable flaws within this bill.

As Governor of the Northeast, I oppose this bill's attempting at reducing regional autonomy over health care policy further.

It is cute how you keep attacking me and can't even be bothered to defend the bill. Anything I say is "unproductive" even though it is true and I'm sure that many others will agree. There is a reason I said Senators must have the COURAGE to defeat this- because I knew you would do this, it is exactly why all the nice-sounding clauses that don't really do anything were included in the first place.

The best you can do is label your opponents "unproductive" and made other rude comparisons. All I've done is offer my opinion on this bill, as a citizen and constituent, and explain why I don't think they can be reconciled. Your tactics might be in more need of reflection, than mine, if this is your best defense of the bill.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:34:55 PM
I am not going to do the Senate's job. I stopped by to offer my opinion as an Atlasian citizen. Not as Governor, not as a candidate, simply as a citizen who sees the irreparable flaws within this bill.

As Governor of the Northeast, I oppose this bill's attempting at reducing regional autonomy over health care policy further.
The second statement is one I will challenge...but that's for another time and place


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 08:38:56 PM
Another time and place? I would think that this is the perfect time and place to discuss this bill.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:43:38 PM
Another time and place? I would think that this is the perfect time and place to discuss this bill.
What I was referencing was your general policy of opposing a reduction of regional autonomy over health care...not specifically as to this bill


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:47:54 PM
I am not going to do the Senate's job. I stopped by to offer my opinion as an Atlasian citizen. Not as Governor, not as a candidate, simply as a citizen who sees the irreparable flaws within this bill.

As Governor of the Northeast, I oppose this bill's attempting at reducing regional autonomy over health care policy further.

It is cute how you keep attacking me and can't even be bothered to defend the bill. Anything I say is "unproductive" even though it is true and I'm sure that many others will agree. There is a reason I said Senators must have the COURAGE to defeat this- because I knew you would do this, it is exactly why all the nice-sounding clauses that don't really do anything were included in the first place.

The best you can do is label your opponents "unproductive" and made other rude comparisons. All I've done is offer my opinion on this bill, as a citizen and constituent, and explain why I don't think they can be reconciled. Your tactics might be in more need of reflection, than mine, if this is your best defense of the bill.
You added the last two paragraphs after I had responded so here is my reply to those-

If you go back to where I proposed this legislation...you will see a link to a bill which passed the US Congress (largely sponsored by Democrats) that was proposed to me by one of my constituents to edit and put forward here...I eliminated many other portions but to say that I specifically added portions to trick Senators with wording is false
I actually welcome a discussion on specific clauses- your mentioning of your issues with those clauses is produtive- but your first statement here is indicative of your abrasive style which I have seen and been warned of since I registered in Atlasia...I dont give much of a damn since this is an online board and no true lives will be affected by this legislation- but I do feel an obligation to point this out in the event you serve as President over here that you'll be a poor leader if you lead with abrasiveness, generalizations, and coercion


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:49:22 PM
Also- I am working on an amendment to meet the concerns of those who have engaged in this discussion...which I'll be proposing tonight


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 08:54:34 PM
Clarence, I don't think you can claim not to be abrasive. I mean, I like you but you throw out personal attacks in debates from time to time.
Now, you may not have been the one to add those provisions but I know about the political tricks of the pro-life movement and many were visible here. I had assumed you wrote the bill since you sponsored it.

I do feel an obligation to point this out in the event you serve as President over here that you'll be a poor leader if you lead with abrasiveness, generalizations, and coercion

Would a better model of debate be the way you handled the Broadcaster bill? I doubt it. I come here as a citizen, not a President or Senator, and have no power to work a compromise. All I can do is point out that the bill in its current form is a disaster. If the Senate wants to amend it so that it is not a disaster that is their prerogative, but it has little to do with how I would act as President, or even as a Senator. I highly encourage you not to play the "abrasive" card considering some of the statements you've made in the past, and also think that your Presidential campaign should remain separate from your Senate duties. We did not elect you so you could run your Presidential campaign from the Senate floor. That is poor decorum.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:58:05 PM
Clarence, I don't think you can claim not to be abrasive. I mean, I like you but you throw out personal attacks in debates from time to time.
Now, you may not have been the one to add those provisions but I know about the political tricks of the pro-life movement and many were visible here. I had assumed you wrote the bill since you sponsored it.


I'll admit to being abrasive at times...I like you too Napoleon but though I can get riled up at times I try my best to see the other side and find the good in what others propose...even though I may disagree with some of it I work tof ind common ground. You chapped my ass by coming in here with no seeming effort to find common ground- instead simply calling my bill a "disaster". You call me and fellow Whigs "extremists" despite the fact that many of us are very moderate in many ways... this is another example of the black and white approach you take 


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 08:59:11 PM
Clarence, I don't think you can claim not to be abrasive. I mean, I like you but you throw out personal attacks in debates from time to time.
Now, you may not have been the one to add those provisions but I know about the political tricks of the pro-life movement and many were visible here. I had assumed you wrote the bill since you sponsored it.

I do feel an obligation to point this out in the event you serve as President over here that you'll be a poor leader if you lead with abrasiveness, generalizations, and coercion

Would a better model of debate be the way you handled the Broadcaster bill? I doubt it. I come here as a citizen, not a President or Senator, and have no power to work a compromise. All I can do is point out that the bill in its current form is a disaster. If the Senate wants to amend it so that it is not a disaster that is their prerogative, but it has little to do with how I would act as President, or even as a Senator. I highly encourage you not to play the "abrasive" card considering some of the statements you've made in the past, and also think that your Presidential campaign should remain separate from your Senate duties. We did not elect you so you could run your Presidential campaign from the Senate floor. That is poor decorum.
Regarding the Broadcaster bill- I sponsored the damn thing! I disagreed with nearly all of it but sponsored it because the idea had merit and deserved debate...nice try


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 20, 2012, 09:02:25 PM
I am a firm believer that you should NOT sponsor bills you will not support. It makes the entire debate process tedious.

Now, you continue discussing my character and personality here in this thread while dismissing my arguments against this bill as better left to "another time and place".

When Representatives in the Northeast Assembly have concerns with my proposals, I explain to them the merits rather than dismissing them outright and attacking their character.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 20, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
I am a firm believer that you should NOT sponsor bills you will not support. It makes the entire debate process tedious.

Now, you continue discussing my character and personality here in this thread while dismissing my arguments against this bill as better left to "another time and place".

When Representatives in the Northeast Assembly have concerns with my proposals, I explain to them the merits rather than dismissing them outright and attacking their character.
I sponsored it as the Senate was stalled and we needed to debate something...I stand by it

As for merits- I've mentioned several times now I am working on an amendment now to address concerns of those who have criticized parts of the bill...and I've not attacked your character- I've attacked your approach


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on May 21, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
The bill is sound. Why should we compromise one inch on the bill when the Atlasian left regularly asks consessions of the right? It's the left that needs to give a little


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 21, 2012, 06:06:01 PM
The bill is sound. Why should we compromise one inch on the bill when the Atlasian left regularly asks consessions of the right? It's the left that needs to give a little

Well, because the Bill will not pass as it stands, and there's no way I'll sign it.

Simple as that.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Frodo on May 21, 2012, 06:06:55 PM
The bill is sound. Why should we compromise one inch on the bill when the Atlasian left regularly asks consessions of the right? It's the left that needs to give a little

Because unlike the RL United States where conservatives have the run of things no matter which party is in power, Atlasia leans left-libertarian -you're dealing with an entirely different political landscape.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on May 21, 2012, 06:09:30 PM
The left has had to compromise on issues like health care and foreign policy. This bill is unsound anti-choice propaganda.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on May 21, 2012, 06:12:46 PM
The bill is sound. Why should we compromise one inch on the bill when the Atlasian left regularly asks consessions of the right? It's the left that needs to give a little

Because unlike the RL United States where conservatives have the run of things no matter which party is in power, Atlasia leans left-libertarian -you're dealing with an entirely different political landscape.

You call Obama and Clinton conservatives..... They are liberal.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 21, 2012, 06:15:00 PM
The bill is sound. Why should we compromise one inch on the bill when the Atlasian left regularly asks consessions of the right? It's the left that needs to give a little

Because unlike the RL United States where conservatives have the run of things no matter which party is in power, Atlasia leans left-libertarian -you're dealing with an entirely different political landscape.

You call Obama and Clinton conservatives..... They are liberal.
I think that what he is getting at is in general, the United States is more conservative than it is liberal, while Atlasia is more liberal than it is conservative.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Frodo on May 21, 2012, 06:22:09 PM
The bill is sound. Why should we compromise one inch on the bill when the Atlasian left regularly asks consessions of the right? It's the left that needs to give a little

Because unlike the RL United States where conservatives have the run of things no matter which party is in power, Atlasia leans left-libertarian -you're dealing with an entirely different political landscape.

You call Obama and Clinton conservatives..... They are liberal.

From your tea-party perspective, perhaps.  From a broader view, these are Democrats who are having to deal with a predominately conservative landscape -one that's been in the making ever since Reagan won the presidency.  They are sort of the mirror image of Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon who had to make do with the New Deal liberal consensus of their time.   


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: ZuWo on May 22, 2012, 01:41:38 AM
The goal of this bill is to reduce the number of abortions, and regardless of your stance on the abortion issue I think this is an idea almost everyone can support. Thus, I hope the constructive comments on the first page of this thread can result in a compromise which makes it possible that this goal is achieved. I think the Senate has demonstrated in the recent months that it is capable of debating on a level above simple catchphrases and can find common ground and sensible solutions.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 22, 2012, 02:54:01 AM
The goal of this bill is to reduce the number of abortions, and regardless of your stance on the abortion issue I think this is an idea almost everyone can support. Thus, I hope the constructive comments on the first page of this thread can result in a compromise which makes it possible that this goal is achieved. I think the Senate has demonstrated in the recent months that it is capable of debating on a level above simple catchphrases and can find common ground and sensible solutions.

Which were my points early on, the idea of reducing abortions is a good thing... but it won't be through government support for pro-life organisations or to use medical technology to compound the emotional pain that comes with such a decision.

Nor will I support measures which treat women as idiots who need 'to understand what they're really doing'.

We need to make sure women, regardless of their choice, have the support to make them.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 22, 2012, 05:19:06 AM
My proposed amendment is the following-

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(2) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(3) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.

(4) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 22, 2012, 05:22:23 AM
As you can see- I've gotten rid of 2b1 which involved the OBGYN dscribing the gestational age and characteristics of the unborn child. I do believe that this could be heavily scarring for a woman in this position...

I want to be clear- this bill is not designed to hurt women- it IS designed to encourage them not to have an abortion. By knowing the govt is on their side to help them as they go thru an incredibly difficult period in their lives, women will hopefully be encouraged to continue with the pregnancy and the unborn child will  have a chance


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 22, 2012, 05:24:05 AM
I also want you all to consider that this bill removes pregnancy as a preexisting condition in the health care industry... this is a major step for women


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 22, 2012, 07:51:32 AM
I don't believe the state should be in the business of taking sides, which is clear by how this issue is being approached.

There are clear rights that women have, but I want to make sure that support exists to enable to women who want to keep their baby, as well as support for those who choose an alternative. Not trying to convince them to change their minds.

Also I'd be startled if this information is not already discussed by a responsible doctor.

Interesting we're not talking about avoiding the pregnancies in the first place, which I see a step too often ignored.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 22, 2012, 09:23:38 AM
I don't believe the state should be in the business of taking sides, which is clear by how this issue is being approached.

There are clear rights that women have, but I want to make sure that support exists to enable to women who want to keep their baby, as well as support for those who choose an alternative. Not trying to convince them to change their minds.

Also I'd be startled if this information is not already discussed by a responsible doctor.

Interesting we're not talking about avoiding the pregnancies in the first place, which I see a step too often ignored.
We have a fundamental disagreement on the first part of your statement Mr. Pres- however Ive proposed an amendment which eliminated the part of the bill which sought to guilt a mother into making that choice...the rest is simply informative
Information discussed by doctor- I'm sure it is often not either by neglect of the doctor of will of the mother not to hear it...but the information is crucial for her to hear- complications of the procedure for example. Hell- in the bill it is included to describe to her procedures AFTER an abortion to minimize health risks...hardly discouraging to her

I would also be happy to work with you to find ways to reduce pregnancies...


Finally- I want to bring up something that JCL had earlier brought up... while I am slightly more willing to amend this bill then he is- for example my amendment above- I want to point out just how moderate this bill is. It does not seek in ANY way to ban or place restrictions on abortion... it was introduced and sponsored in the US Congress by mostly Democrats including figures such as Harold Ford JR, Marion Barry, Marcy Kaptur, etc... supported by figures such as Paul Begala, James Carville, and Martin Sheen...

My point is this- this bill in itself IS a compromise...a manner to provide support to women so they recgonize other options besides an abortion without legally restriction abortion to her


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 22, 2012, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: Amendment 49:09 by Clarence
My proposed amendment is the following-

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(2) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(3) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.

(4) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

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Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Sbane on May 23, 2012, 01:16:20 AM
I object to that amendment. Again, not all bad but I would institute a few changes. I will try to present my changes soon.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Sbane on May 23, 2012, 03:49:22 AM
Quote
Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) The probable gestational age and characteristics of the unborn child at the time the abortion will be performed.

(2) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(3) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(4) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.


(5) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

4- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

5- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

6- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

7- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

8- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.
9- Women may give up their babies for adoption no question asked at firehouses and police stations.

Here is my amendment. Bold part is what I added.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: LastVoter on May 23, 2012, 04:09:46 AM
define babies


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Sbane on May 23, 2012, 05:18:10 AM

After birth. What language should be added to make it clear?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 23, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
Quote from: Amendment 49:11 by sbane
Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) The probable gestational age and characteristics of the unborn child at the time the abortion will be performed.

(2) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(3) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(4) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.


(5) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

4- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

5- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

6- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

7- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

8- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.
9- Women may give up their babies for adoption no question asked at firehouses and police stations.

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Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: TJ in Oregon on May 23, 2012, 10:26:56 AM
It would be awfully hard for a woman to give up and unborn baby at a police station with no questions asked. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Sbane on May 23, 2012, 11:40:08 AM
Lol yes. I'm pretty confused. :P


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: ilikeverin on May 23, 2012, 12:19:29 PM
I'm not sure that's even constitutional to impose the national government's will on what is presumably locally controlled.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 23, 2012, 01:28:05 PM
Sbane- I appreciate your feedback and I am glad to see that we aren't too far off from each other here... however I will not consider that amendment friendly as I believe information about how the procedure is performed and alternatives are crucial for women to know...and also defining child as including the unborn can help a woman obtain greater insurance benefits during her pregnancy


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 23, 2012, 01:59:03 PM
A vote is now open on Amendment 49:09 by Clarence, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain:

Quote from: Amendment 49:09 by Clarence
My proposed amendment is the following-

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(2) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(3) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.

(4) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on May 23, 2012, 02:01:51 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: TJ in Oregon on May 23, 2012, 02:08:36 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 23, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Sbane on May 23, 2012, 04:37:34 PM
Nay. I would like my version of course.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 23, 2012, 05:25:28 PM
Nay.  I much prefer Sbane's version.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 23, 2012, 06:23:15 PM
Nay.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: LastVoter on May 23, 2012, 08:02:56 PM

After birth. What language should be added to make it clear?
Well, what's the maximum age that this practice will be allowed for?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: LastVoter on May 23, 2012, 08:03:27 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on May 23, 2012, 10:36:22 PM

After birth. What language should be added to make it clear?
Well, what's the maximum age that this practice will be allowed for?
Such a law already exists, btw.
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Infant_Abandonment_Act_%28federal%29


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Sbane on May 23, 2012, 10:39:15 PM
Oh nevermind then.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 27, 2012, 10:54:41 AM
A 3-4-3, WTF is this?!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: ilikeverin on May 27, 2012, 11:16:01 AM
;D Yup.  This represents an improvement over the current bill.  But I'll vote for Sbane's, too, once it comes up to a vote, because that's even better.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (VEEP TMTH NEEDED AISLE 4)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 28, 2012, 05:56:38 PM
Vote on Amendment 49:09 by Clarence:

Aye (4): Clarence, ILV, NC Yankee and TJ in Cleve
Nay (4): Ben, sbane, Scott, and Seatown
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): AndrewPA and Wormyguy

The vote is tied and the Vice President is needed to break the tie.



Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (VEEP TMTH NEEDED AISLE 4)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 28, 2012, 09:51:21 PM
If possible, I'll change my vote to Aye.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (VEEP TMTH NEEDED AISLE 4)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 29, 2012, 05:06:32 PM
I am sorry Ben but it is too late. Amendment votes last 5 days, don't have 24 hour vote change periods, and even if they did, such a grace period would have been negated by the expiring of the time.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (VEEP TMTH NEEDED AISLE 4)
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 30, 2012, 02:07:17 PM
After consideration,

AYE


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (VEEP TMTH NEEDED AISLE 4)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 30, 2012, 06:28:56 PM
Amendment 49:09 has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 30, 2012, 06:34:46 PM
Senator Sbane, this amendment was offered to the previous text, as that has now been altered by Clarence's amendment, I will provide 24 hours to "revise" this text so that any changes desired relative to new underlying text are clear.

Quote
Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) The probable gestational age and characteristics of the unborn child at the time the abortion will be performed.

(2) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(3) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(4) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.


(5) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

4- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

5- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

6- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

7- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

8- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.
9- Women may give up their babies for adoption no question asked at firehouses and police stations.

Here is my amendment. Bold part is what I added.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Sbane, FRONT AND CENTER!!!!)
Post by: Sbane on May 30, 2012, 10:10:03 PM
Here is my amendment taking into account the passed amendment.

Quote
Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(2) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(3) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.

(4) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

4- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

5- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

6- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

7- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

8- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.
9- Women may give up their babies for adoption no question asked at firehouses and police stations.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Sbane, FRONT AND CENTER!!!!)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 30, 2012, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: Amendment 49:20 by sbane
Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) How the abortion procedure is performed.

(2) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(3) Options or alternatives to abortion, including, but not limited to, adoption, and the resources available in the community to assist women choosing these options.

(4) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- The terms "child" and "individual" as used by any state provider of health coverage shall include an unborn child

4- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

5- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

6- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

7- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

8- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.
9- Women may give up their babies for adoption no question asked at firehouses and police stations.

Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: Vote to begin tomorrow.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on May 31, 2012, 06:43:17 PM
A vote is now open on Amendment 49:20, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on May 31, 2012, 06:58:47 PM
Aye.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 31, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
Aye.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: ilikeverin on May 31, 2012, 09:30:44 PM
Yup ;D  Then I'll move to strike the last clause added, cuz it's kind of pointless.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: TJ in Oregon on May 31, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: tpfkaw on June 01, 2012, 12:08:57 AM
Abstain


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 03, 2012, 06:19:03 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: Sbane on June 04, 2012, 01:00:54 AM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: LastVoter on June 04, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on June 04, 2012, 05:35:11 PM
Nay


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Amendment at Vote)
Post by: AndrewTX on June 04, 2012, 07:29:32 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 04, 2012, 08:13:46 PM
Aye (6): Andrew, Ben, ILV, sbane, Scott, and Seatown
Nay (3): Clarence, NC Yankee and TJ in Cleve
Abstain (1): Wormyguy

Didn't Vote (0):

With six ayes, the amendment has passed.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 10, 2012, 04:57:38 PM
Are we done with this?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Napoleon on June 13, 2012, 04:53:03 PM
What does the current text look like?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 13, 2012, 04:53:11 PM
Well?


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Debating)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 13, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
I think this can go to a vote.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Sbane, FRONT AND CENTER!!!!)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 14, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Quote from: current text
Pregnant Women Support Act

1- The purpose of this bill is to provide for programs that reduce the need for abortion, help women bear healthy children, and support new parents.

2- DISCLOSURE OF INFORMATION ON ABORTION.
(a) In General- Health facilities that perform abortions in or affecting interstate commerce shall obtain informed consent from the pregnant woman seeking to have the abortion. Informed consent shall exist only after a woman has voluntarily completed or opted not to complete pre-abortion counseling sessions.

(b) Accurate Information- Counseling sessions under subsection (a) shall include the following information:

(1) Possible short-term and long-term risks and complications of the procedure to be performed.

(2) The availability of post-procedure medical services to address the risks and complications of the procedure.

(c) Exception- This section shall not apply when the pregnant woman is herself incapable, under State law, of making medical decisions. This section does not affect or modify any requirement under State law for making medical decisions for such patients.

3- INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR PREGNANT WOMEN.
`In the case of a woman who has had at least 12 months of creditable coverage before seeking individual health insurance coverage, such individual health insurance coverage, and the health insurance issuer offering such coverage, may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion relating to pregnancy as a preexisting condition, any waiting period, or otherwise discriminate in coverage or premiums against the woman on the basis that she is pregnant.'.

4- CONTINUATION OF COVERAGE FOR NEWBORNS.
`(a) Notification- In the case of a pregnant woman who is covered under a group health plan, or under group health insurance coverage, for other than family coverage, the plan or issuer of the insurance shall provide notice to the woman during the 5th month of pregnancy, during the 8th month of pregnancy, and within 2 weeks after delivery, of the woman's option to provide continuing coverage of the newborn child under the group health plan or health insurance coverage under subsection (b).

`(b) Option of Continued Coverage for Newborns- In the case of a pregnant woman described in subsection (a) who has a newborn child under a group health plan or under group health insurance coverage, the plan or issuer offering the coverage shall provide the woman with the option of electing coverage of the newborn child at least through the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date of birth of the child and no waiting period or preexisting condition exclusion shall apply with respect to the coverage of such a newborn child under such plan or coverage. Such continuation coverage shall remain in effect, subject to payment of applicable premiums, for at least such period as the Secretary specifies.'.

5- GRANTS FOR THE PURCHASE OR UPGRADE OF ULTRASOUND EQUIPMENT.
`(a) In General- The Secretary may make grants for the purchase of ultrasound equipment. Such ultrasound equipment shall be used by the recipients of such grants to provide, under the direction and supervision of a licensed medical physician, ultrasound examinations to pregnant women consenting to such services.

6- SERVICES TO PATIENTS RECEIVING POSITIVE TEST DIAGNOSIS FOR DOWN SYNDROME OR OTHER PRENATALLY DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS.
It is the purpose of this section, after the diagnosis of an unborn child with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, to--

(A) increase patient referrals to providers of key support services to assist parents in the care, or placement for adoption, of a child with Down syndrome, or other prenatally diagnosed conditions, as well as to provide up-to-date, science-based information about life-expectancy and development potential for a child born with Down syndrome or other prenatally diagnosed condition;

(B) provide networks of support services described in subparagraph (A) through a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention patient and provider outreach program;

(C) improve available data by incorporating information directly revealed by prenatal testing into existing State-based surveillance programs for birth defects and prenatally diagnosed conditions; and

(D) ensure that patients receive up-to-date, scientific information about the accuracy of the test.

7- GRANTS FOR INCREASING PUBLIC AWARENESS OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST PREGNANT WOMEN IN CARRYING THEIR PREGNANCIES TO TERM AND TO ASSIST NEW PARENTS.
(a) Grants- The Secretary may make grants to States to increase public awareness of resources available to pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term and to new parents.

(b) Use of Funds- The Secretary may make a grant to a State under this section only if the State agrees to use the grant for the following:

(1) Identification of resources available to assist pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term or to assist new parents, or both.

(2) Conducting an advertising campaign to increase public awareness of such resources.

(3) Establishing and maintaining a toll-free telephone line to direct people to--

(A) organizations that provide support services for pregnant women to carry their pregnancy to term;

(B) adoption centers; and

(C) organizations that provide support services to new parents.
8- Women may give up their babies for adoption no question asked at firehouses and police stations.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 17, 2012, 07:01:56 PM
Senators this bills is now at final vote, so please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: TJ in Oregon on June 17, 2012, 08:19:15 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on June 18, 2012, 01:17:40 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: tpfkaw on June 18, 2012, 01:21:48 PM
Nay.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 19, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: Sbane on June 19, 2012, 07:50:45 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on June 19, 2012, 07:53:54 PM
Nay.

I'm still somewhat concerned about CPC's.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: LastVoter on June 19, 2012, 08:38:57 PM
Abstain.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: ilikeverin on June 20, 2012, 12:04:19 PM
Yup ;D


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 20, 2012, 05:09:00 PM
Aye

This bill has enough votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: AndrewTX on June 21, 2012, 08:20:04 PM
Aye


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 22, 2012, 10:18:09 PM
Vote on Final Passage of the Pregnant Women Support Act:

Aye (6): Ben, Clarence, ILV, NC Yankee, sbane, and TJ in Cleve
Nay (2): Scott and Wormyguy
Abstain (1): Seatown

Didn't Vote (1): AndrewPA - 24 hours means 24 hours Andy, not 27. :P

With six votes in the affirmative, this bill has passed the Senate and is sent to the President for executive action.


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (At Final Vote)
Post by: CLARENCE 2015! on June 22, 2012, 10:18:56 PM
WOO...HOO!!!!!


Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (On the President's Desk)
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 26, 2012, 04:58:49 PM
Jack Polnut

Signing statement - I am still hesitant about this Bill however, the focus on information rather than the disrespect and emotional blackmail contained in the original, makes it palatable.