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Title: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 17, 2005, 01:40:45 AM This was originally my idea, but I credit my predecesor Sen. Flyers2005/IrishDem/BacardiLimon with the acctual writing of this bill:
Mag-lev trains 1. Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years 2. These trains are needed in the following Atlasia corridors. a. Houlton,ME (Canadian Border)-Bangor-Portland-Portsmouth-Boston-Providence-Hartford-New Haven-New York-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington,DC-Richmond-Raleigh-Charleston-Savannah-Jacksonville-Daytona Beach-Miami (roughly I-95) 1. Spur to East Stroudsburg,PA 2. Spur to Atlantic City, NJ 3. Spur to Orlando-Tampa, FL from Daytona Beach b(main). New York-Cleveland-Chicago-Des Moines-Omaha-Denver-Salt Lake City-Reno-San Francisco (roughly I-80) 1. Spur to Detroit, MI b1. Cleveland-Erie-Buffalo-Syracuse-Albany-Boston (I-90) b2. Chicago-Milwaukee-Maidson-Minneapolis-Fargo-Bismarck-Missoula-Spokane-Seattle (I-90/94) c. Candian border-Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Los Angeles-San Diego-Mexican border (I-5) d. San Diego-Phoenix-El Paso-San Antonio-Houston-New Orleans-Mobile-Tallahassee-Jacksonville (I-10) e. Mexican border-San Anontio-Austin-Dallas-Oklahoma City-Kansas City-Des Moines-Minneapolis-Duluth (I-35) 3. Clause 2 shall be the top prorities. We hope to get these in effect by 2030. More corridors may come later Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 17, 2005, 01:44:05 AM Mag/Lev technology already exists and the construction of spur lines has already been undertaken in Japan and Europe.
These trains are very fast and very safe, because they harness the power of electromagnetic rails to propel themselves along. They are far less polluting than both airline and automobile travel and could be used, not only to haul passengers, but also valuable cargo, safely and efficiently, from one city to another. I urge all Senators to take serious consideration of this possibility for the future of Atlasia. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 17, 2005, 04:11:38 AM This Bill could do great things for the economy of my district. I support it fully.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 17, 2005, 04:34:42 AM I think that this is a great idea; $100 million over 20 years is not really very much and this could be extremely beneficial to Atlasia.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 17, 2005, 03:49:22 PM Building a road of any type along South Carolina coast is rather impractical because of the considerable about of wetlands that would be impacted. That's why I-95 is so far inland. I'd suggest Raleigh-Columbia-Savannah instead of Raleigh-Charleston-Savannah.
I also doubt that transcontinental mag-levs will prove useful. Over long distances there are other forms of transport that are either cheaper or faster. Mag-lev has potential as a medium range transport where the hassles of plane travel make it competeive. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 17, 2005, 04:05:55 PM Building a road of any type along South Carolina coast is rather impractical because of the considerable about of wetlands that would be impacted. That's why I-95 is so far inland. I'd suggest Raleigh-Columbia-Savannah instead of Raleigh-Charleston-Savannah. I also doubt that transcontinental mag-levs will prove useful. Over long distances there are other forms of transport that are either cheaper or faster. Mag-lev has potential as a medium range transport where the hassles of plane travel make it competeive. Point taken about South Carolina, but if we are going to have medium range may levs, they, almost by definition, have to be transcontinental. If we are goin to connect Cleveland to Chicago, then we should connect Chicago to Minneapolis, and Minneapolis to Bismark and Bismark to Boise... and so on. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 17, 2005, 04:31:03 PM Except that in low-density areas there isn't enough traffic to make them profitable. I can't see any good reason to build, for example, the b2 line west of Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Akno21 on January 17, 2005, 05:45:11 PM It looks good.
The allotted money is just for research, right, it doesn't allott anything for actually building the railroad and trains at this point? Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 17, 2005, 07:22:04 PM It looks good. The allotted money is just for research, right, it doesn't allott anything for actually building the railroad and trains at this point? Correct. Most of the research is already completed, but I think it would be a good idea for us to build a spur line, say from New York to Washington D.C., just to see if it is fesable. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Sam Spade on January 17, 2005, 09:59:54 PM It looks good. The allotted money is just for research, right, it doesn't allott anything for actually building the railroad and trains at this point? Correct. Most of the research is already completed, but I think it would be a good idea for us to build a spur line, say from New York to Washington D.C., just to see if it is fesable. That's the best idea. Basically in Atlasia (as in America), the only functioning and profitable rail line is the one between NYC and DC. Build a track there and see how it runs profitably. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Platypus on January 18, 2005, 06:16:10 AM yes yes yes yes yes!
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 18, 2005, 07:53:55 AM We midwest governmental officials would like it if you spurred to Belle Fourche, SD ^_^
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 02:20:16 AM I think the lines should be short, maybe Richmond-DC-Baltimore-Philly-NYC-Boston and SF-Sacramento-LA-SD-Phoenix. It isn't very profitable to have lines running from Bismark and Boise. Also, maybe a line direct DC-Orlando to take advantage of the auto train idea AMTRAK came up with.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Platypus on January 19, 2005, 02:43:02 AM You'd focus it on maybe 25 cities (more if profitable, later), for sure, but you'd need at least one transnational route for it to be profitable, becuse thats where it would make the difference.
Basically, you'd have three districts. West Seattle-Portland-Sacramento-San Francisco-Los Angeles-San Diego-Pheonix Central Los Angeles-Denver-St. Louis-Chicago-Cleveland-Philadelphia East Boston-NYC-Philadelphia-Baltimore With possible extensions/more stations: West Vancouver-Seattle-Portland-Sacramento-San Francisco-Los Angeles -San Diego-Pheonix-Albuquerque-Denver Central Los Angeles-Las Vegas-Salt Lake City-Denver-Topeka-St. Louis-Chicago-Cleveland-Pittsburgh-Philadelphia offshoot: Topeka-Oklahoma City-Dallas-Houston offshoot: Dallas-New Orleans-Mobile-Orlando offshoot: St. Louis-Memphis-Atlanta-Orlando-Tampa-Miami offshoot: Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis offshoot: St. Louis-Indianapolis-Detroit offshoot: Indianapolis-Pittsburgh East Boston-Hartford-NYC-Philadelphia-Batimore-Richmond-Raleigh-Atlanta offshoot: NYC-Buffalo-Toronto-Montreal So, Basically, start with Seattle-Portland-Sacramento-San-Francisco-Los Angeles, Los-Angeles-Denver-St. Louis-Chicago-Philadelphia, Boston-NYC-Philadelphia-Baltimore, and then as demand neccessitates, add the offshoots. The main hubs would be Los Angeles, Denver, St. Louis, Chicago, and Philadelphia, with second-stage and secondary hubs in NYC, Atlanta, Dallas, and Topeka; with other hubs created if/when necessary. That make sense to everyone out there? :D Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Colin on January 19, 2005, 02:02:51 PM Lines that in my mind would make money. A Milwaukee-Chicago-Cleveland-Pittsburgh-Philadelphia route that would connect into a NE Corridor or Florida line. A fast train between Chicago and Milwaukee or Cleveland and a fast train between Pittsburgh and Cleveland or Philadelphia would make tons of money. So connect a line going that way. No transcontinental Maglev lines as they would not make much money.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 09:23:22 PM This version of the bill was given to me by Jake. I will submit it for the approval of my fellow Senators.
Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation. Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology. Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken. 1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years. 2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions. a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington D.C. b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee , with spurs extending south from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti and from Toledo-Detroit. c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe. d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Washington D.C.-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged. 3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030. 4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 19, 2005, 09:27:35 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 09:33:46 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill. Milwaukee? Chicago? Are they not in the Midwest? Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 09:34:02 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill. Look at your states. The great cities of Belle Fourche, Bismarck, Fargo, Boise, and Colorado Springs are hardly profitable stops for train lines. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 09:35:02 PM For that matter, Ohio is well represented.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 09:39:43 PM For that matter, Ohio is well represented. Toledo seemed like a good hub to branch off from, but I suppose you could remove it and replace it with Erie and a branch to Pittsburgh. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 19, 2005, 09:40:21 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill. Milwaukee? Chicago? Are they not in the Midwest? No, they are not in the Midwest. Jake: But the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester (perhaps for a spur... the Mayo Clinic is here), Denver, Albuquerque, Des Moines... As a resident of the Midwest, I am outraged that such prominant residents of Atlasia such as Senator Supersoulty and Jake cannot name the states of the Midwest. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 09:46:04 PM Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation. Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology. Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken. 1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years. 2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions. a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington D.C. b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit. c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe. d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Washington D.C.-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged. 3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030. 4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 09:47:51 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill. Milwaukee? Chicago? Are they not in the Midwest? No, they are not in the Midwest. Jake: But the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester (perhaps for a spur... the Mayo Clinic is here), Denver, Albuquerque, Des Moines... As a resident of the Midwest, I am outraged that such prominant residents of Atlasia such as Senator Supersoulty and Jake cannot name the states of the Midwest. ILV, notice I didn't include Hartford, Long Island, Newark, Trenton, Richmond, Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, St. Louis, or Pittsburgh, all of which would be more profitable then EVERY city that you named. In the bill, the possibility was left open for more spurs to be built. Right now, it isn't economically profitable to build them. All you want, Mr. Governor, is your slice of the pork. Instead of developing the best system for Atlasia, you want us to repeat the disaster of AMTRAK with new technology. Also, Supersoulty, you might want to add a clause saying additional spurs can be added, when economically profitable. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 19, 2005, 09:50:33 PM Horrible, horrible, horrible:
Northeast-9 South-1 Mideast-8 Midwest-1 West-10 Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 19, 2005, 09:52:25 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill. Milwaukee? Chicago? Are they not in the Midwest? No, they are not in the Midwest. Jake: But the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester (perhaps for a spur... the Mayo Clinic is here), Denver, Albuquerque, Des Moines... As a resident of the Midwest, I am outraged that such prominant residents of Atlasia such as Senator Supersoulty and Jake cannot name the states of the Midwest. ILV, notice I didn't include Hartford, Long Island, Newark, Trenton, Richmond, Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, St. Louis, or Pittsburgh, all of which would be more profitable then EVERY city that you named. In the bill, the possibility was left open for more spurs to be built. Right now, it isn't economically profitable to build them. All you want, Mr. Governor, is your slice of the pork. Instead of developing the best system for Atlasia, you want us to repeat the disaster of AMTRAK with new technology. Also, Supersoulty, you might want to add a clause saying additional spurs can be added, when economically profitable. Well, sir, if you were really looking for profitability, you could include at least one stop in Texas! I don't know what your motive is, but I question it. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 09:53:47 PM Horrible, horrible, horrible: Northeast-9 South-1 Mideast-8 Midwest-1 West-10 ILV, ask yourself where the most business travelers are going to be traveling from. The east & west coasts have the profitable markets for these lines. You don't build a massive sports stadium in boise and you don't construct a fast train line in the Rockies. It just doesn't happen. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 09:55:08 PM I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill. Milwaukee? Chicago? Are they not in the Midwest? No, they are not in the Midwest. Jake: But the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester (perhaps for a spur... the Mayo Clinic is here), Denver, Albuquerque, Des Moines... As a resident of the Midwest, I am outraged that such prominant residents of Atlasia such as Senator Supersoulty and Jake cannot name the states of the Midwest. ILV, notice I didn't include Hartford, Long Island, Newark, Trenton, Richmond, Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, St. Louis, or Pittsburgh, all of which would be more profitable then EVERY city that you named. In the bill, the possibility was left open for more spurs to be built. Right now, it isn't economically profitable to build them. All you want, Mr. Governor, is your slice of the pork. Instead of developing the best system for Atlasia, you want us to repeat the disaster of AMTRAK with new technology. Also, Supersoulty, you might want to add a clause saying additional spurs can be added, when economically profitable. Well, sir, if you were really looking for profitability, you could include at least one stop in Texas! I don't know what your motive is, but I question it. AFAIK Texas is planning the construction of a massive 10 plus lane highway system spanning the State. I viewed it to be a slight waste to supercede this plan which AFAIK includes a train line in it. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 19, 2005, 09:56:32 PM Horrible, horrible, horrible: Northeast-9 South-1 Mideast-8 Midwest-1 West-10 ILV, ask yourself where the most business travelers are going to be traveling from. The east & west coasts have the profitable markets for these lines. You don't build a massive sports stadium in boise and you don't construct a fast train line in the Rockies. It just doesn't happen. 1) I see nothing connecting the coasts. 2) You do build a massive sports stadium in Denver, and it is profitable! 3) Of course a train line in the Rockies is profitable; just ask the people who built the transcontinental railway! Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 09:59:04 PM Horrible, horrible, horrible: Northeast-9 South-1 Mideast-8 Midwest-1 West-10 ILV, ask yourself where the most business travelers are going to be traveling from. The east & west coasts have the profitable markets for these lines. You don't build a massive sports stadium in boise and you don't construct a fast train line in the Rockies. It just doesn't happen. 1) I see nothing connecting the coasts. 2) You do build a massive sports stadium in Denver, and it is profitable! 3) Of course a train line in the Rockies is profitable; just ask the people who built the transcontinental railway! ILV, the Mag/Lev trains are profitable when they are used as replacements for air travel. It is more profitable to fly from St. Louis to Denver than it is to take the Mag/Lev there. It is more profitable to take existing train lines from the Twin Cities to Boise than Mag/Lev travel. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 10:03:20 PM Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation. Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology. Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken. 1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years. 2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions. a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington D.C.-Richmond-Raleigh-Charlotte-Atlanta b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit. c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe. d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Washington D.C.-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged. e) A line will be constructed in Texas. All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio. 3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030. 4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you placated now, Governor? Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 10:07:02 PM Don't placate him. Of these lines, only the Texas line is profitable enough, and I already mentioned their highway system that is planned. The Southern line and the Minneanapolis stop are wasteful and unprofitable.
Also, "all lines will intersect at Austin"-Do you mean all four other lines, or the spurs to SanAn, Houston, and Dallas? Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 10:08:10 PM Don't placate him. Of these lines, only the Texas line is profitable enough, and I already mentioned their highway system that is planned. The Southern line and the Minneanapolis stop are wasteful and unprofitable. Also, "all lines will intersect at Austin"-Do you mean all four other lines, or the spurs to SanAn, Houston, and Dallas? Meaing that Austin will be the intersection, and from there, one spur will go to each city. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 10:12:34 PM I'm changing the bill once again. The Richmond and Charlotte stations will be eliminated.
Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation. Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology. Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken. 1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years. 2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions. a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington D.C.-Raleigh-Atlanta b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit. c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe. d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Nyman-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged. e) A line will be constructed in Texas. All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio. 3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030. 4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 19, 2005, 10:13:27 PM NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop
SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop! and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations) ME: 2.875 people/stop MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop) W: 2.2 people/stop Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 10:14:32 PM Keep in mind that these lines are best used, as Jake said, in place of planes and for express travel. Therefore, until we can get people to use the lines, planning a massive net wrok will not be profitable. Especially when you take into account the possible advances in air-travel.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 10:15:11 PM NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop! and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations) ME: 2.875 people/stop MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop) W: 2.2 people/stop I repeat myself. Profitability & Speed Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 10:16:37 PM NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop! and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations) ME: 2.875 people/stop MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop) W: 2.2 people/stop At this point, I would ask the governor to shut-up. His point has been made, and I refuse to listen further. Also, we are going by acctual population figures, not Atlasian voters. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 10:23:46 PM NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop! and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations) ME: 2.875 people/stop MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop) W: 2.2 people/stop At this point, I would ask the governor to shut-up. His point has been made, and I refuse to listen further. Also, we are going by acctual population figures, not Atlasian voters. I too will shut up when Verin does. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 10:50:54 PM Can debate on this bill begin now, JFK?
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Akno21 on January 19, 2005, 10:55:09 PM I think we need to keep the South out of the Boston-DC line. Of all the possibilities listed here, only a Boston-DC line has proven to turn a profit.
Also, shouldn't we have a line to Nyman? Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 19, 2005, 10:58:02 PM I think we need to keep the South out of the Boston-DC line. Of all the possibilities listed here, only a Boston-DC line has proven to turn a profit. Also, shouldn't we have a line to Nyman? I agree, but if the senators want a southern line, the South East will take it. And Nyman is what we call the Government District of DC so quiet in the corner ;) Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Akno21 on January 19, 2005, 11:10:16 PM I think we need to keep the South out of the Boston-DC line. Of all the possibilities listed here, only a Boston-DC line has proven to turn a profit. Also, shouldn't we have a line to Nyman? I agree, but if the senators want a southern line, the South East will take it. And Nyman is what we call the Government District of DC so quiet in the corner ;) I always thought Nyman was off that part of Michigan that borders Wisconsin. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 19, 2005, 11:21:12 PM Thank you. The change has been made.
Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation. Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology. Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken. 1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years. 2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions. a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Nyman-Raleigh-Atlanta b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit. c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe. d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Nyman-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged. e) A line will be constructed in Texas. All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio. 3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030. 4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Platypus on January 20, 2005, 01:14:09 AM My map. Places in CAPS are tage 1 stations, places underlined are hubs. Other stations and lines created as necessary. The stage 1 line is Seattle-San Francisco-Los Angeles-Denver-St. Louis-Chicago-Cleveland-Philadelphia-DC-Atlanta; Philadelphia-NYC-Boston.
Maps: () and... () Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Platypus on January 21, 2005, 07:36:17 AM NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop! and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations) ME: 2.875 people/stop MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop) W: 2.2 people/stop At this point, I would ask the governor to shut-up. His point has been made, and I refuse to listen further. Also, we are going by actual population figures, not Atlasian voters. Jake was the sole motivation for my proposal to kick out people from snate debate threads :D BTW, the maximum profitability is in mid-lenght journeys. IE, ones too short to make air travel worthwhile and long enough to convince people the slight extra cost in the train ticket is worth it-why pay twenty dollars more to get there 5 minutes earlier? Paying twenty dollars more to arrive an hour and a half earlier is much more likely to be sucessful. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: JohnFKennedy on January 21, 2005, 02:48:46 PM I hereby open the debate on this bill.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 21, 2005, 03:06:19 PM Thank you, Senator.
I would just like to address some of the comments and concerns of my fellow collegues. First of, I thank Hugh for his work on a detailed plan. There were several things that he did not understand, however. I had to explain to him that the real Unitied States does not have a functioning rail system. Quite an oddity to the rest of the world, I am sure, but it is a reallit here. Thus, certain parts ohis plan needed to be revised. First off, I feel that a Toledo station is needed and profitable, not only as a link to Detriot, but also due to the close proximity of that city to Sandusky, Ohio, which is the location of Cedar Point, the, so-called, greatest theme park in the world. Second, I do not support a plan that links every small city in the country. We do need a measure of scope here. A rail system linking every city just isn't practical at this time. And would probably be highly unprofitable. Third, this does not, however, mean, as some Senators have suggested, that we need to limit our selves to an East Coast system. Though most of the stations our concentrated there, because that is the area that has the largest potential for profit. At some point, we need to move inland, though a transcontinental system is, admittedly, as ways off. Fourth, in defiance of logic, many have suggestes that we only need a few stations, as the trains are only a replacement for medium range travel. Therefore, they contend that we don't need stations in some places, because no one will want to go from Buffalo to Erie. This may be true, but some people might want to go from Buffalo to Pittsburgh or Rochester to Erie. It therefore makes sense to have both a Buffalo and Erie station, rather than just one or the other. Just because people aren't going to use the system to travel to adjacent cities does not mean that they won't want to get to a certain city from 4 stations away. I stand by my bill, in its current form. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 21, 2005, 03:31:01 PM I personally support the bill in its current form. The Mag/Lev system, as I understand it, is supposed to be somewhere halfway between air travel and train travel, and it is currently in its very early infancy; therefore, I see no reason with limiting it to large cities where it would make a good profit. If we later find that there's a distinct market that could be had in smaller cities, we can expand it there later.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Siege40 on January 21, 2005, 04:02:30 PM Looks good, I'm on board.
Siege Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 21, 2005, 06:09:57 PM This bill is good for my district and could be a major leap forward for public transport.
I support it fully. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: King on January 23, 2005, 08:27:32 PM I've done a little research and have found the $100 million dollars over the next 20 years could only pay for a 3 mile MagLev track. To pay for the entire promised line, it would cost us....$893.1 billion dollars and that is just construction.
To pay for this, we have to: 1) Raise taxes on all income brackets by 4% 2) Cut spending on social programs by 20% 3) Cut military spending by 10% Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 23, 2005, 09:00:20 PM I've done a little research and have found the $100 million dollars over the next 20 years could only pay for a 3 mile MagLev track. To pay for the entire promised line, it would cost us....$893.1 billion dollars and that is just construction. To pay for this, we have to: 1) Raise taxes on all income brackets by 4% 2) Cut spending on social programs by 20% 3) Cut military spending by 10% This only pays for research on Mag Lev. Check out Clause 4 of the last version. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: King on January 23, 2005, 11:38:39 PM I've done a little research and have found the $100 million dollars over the next 20 years could only pay for a 3 mile MagLev track. To pay for the entire promised line, it would cost us....$893.1 billion dollars and that is just construction. To pay for this, we have to: 1) Raise taxes on all income brackets by 4% 2) Cut spending on social programs by 20% 3) Cut military spending by 10% This only pays for research on Mag Lev. Check out Clause 4 of the last version. I see, but still. NO corporation would take a $1 trillion risk like that and NO financial institution would help pay for it. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 24, 2005, 12:42:51 AM I've done a little research and have found the $100 million dollars over the next 20 years could only pay for a 3 mile MagLev track. To pay for the entire promised line, it would cost us....$893.1 billion dollars and that is just construction. To pay for this, we have to: 1) Raise taxes on all income brackets by 4% 2) Cut spending on social programs by 20% 3) Cut military spending by 10% This only pays for research on Mag Lev. Check out Clause 4 of the last version. I see, but still. NO corporation would take a $1 trillion risk like that and NO financial institution would help pay for it. You are not looking at the long term, though. Just because something seems inpratical now doesn't mean that it will be impractical in 20-30 years. That's why we need research. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 24, 2005, 09:45:43 AM You are not looking at the long term, though. Just because something seems inpratical now doesn't mean that it will be impractical in 20-30 years. That's why we need research. Well said :-) One of the big problems with transportation policies pretty much everywhere is the tendency to only look at the short term... despite the fact that it'll take about 10 years for a relatively modest plan to be fully operational. This is why public transport is a mess in most countries. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ?????????? on January 24, 2005, 11:50:30 AM I don't support this. Seems to be to big a waste of taxpayer money. See Amtrak.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 24, 2005, 01:39:51 PM I don't support this. Seems to be to big a waste of taxpayer money. See Amtrak. If you read through the deliberations, we are doing everything we can to make this un-like Amtrak. First-off, these trains cannot crash, it is a near impossibility. Second, these trains a twice as fast as Amtrak trains, thus they would be seen as far more favorable for medium rage trips. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Siege40 on January 24, 2005, 04:27:55 PM After the research, perhaps a small line, Philadelphia-New York, or Philadelphia-Washington, should experimentally be opened, we have so see how well recieved this is and how pratical it is.
Siege Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: King on January 26, 2005, 07:22:30 PM It's been about a week since the bill's intro, debate has stopped, and it looks like the bill is ready to be voted on. Phil, will ye do the honors?
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Keystone Phil on January 26, 2005, 08:04:22 PM Voting will now open. All those in favor, please vote Yea, all those opposed, please vote Nay.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 26, 2005, 08:14:20 PM Yea.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 26, 2005, 08:25:55 PM Are you voting on the initial bill?
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 26, 2005, 08:27:49 PM Are you voting on the initial bill? No, I thought we were voting on the latest version of the bill. If I'm wrong, someone correct me. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Jake on January 26, 2005, 08:29:52 PM The senators are voting on this bill. The final form AFAIK
Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation. Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology. Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken. 1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years. 2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions. a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Nyman-Raleigh-Atlanta b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit. c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe. d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Nyman-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged. e) A line will be constructed in Texas. All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio. 3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030. 4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ilikeverin on January 26, 2005, 08:31:47 PM Oh. That one.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 26, 2005, 08:38:11 PM Yea
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: King on January 26, 2005, 09:50:40 PM Map of that line:
() For some reason, there is a SF-Sacramento and a SF-Reno line that overlap, instead of a SF-Sacramento-Reno line. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Nym90 on January 26, 2005, 10:55:27 PM Yea.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: ?????????? on January 27, 2005, 01:11:01 AM Hey! We don't need a train that shuffles yankees down here to Florida even faster then before! LOL ;) j/k
I vote Yea Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: WMS on January 27, 2005, 10:02:00 AM Yea.
I appreciate Hugh's attempt to get a line to Albuquerque, but now is not the time for that. :) Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 27, 2005, 12:50:40 PM Aye
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Bono on January 27, 2005, 01:26:52 PM Nay.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 27, 2005, 02:26:59 PM Yea. I appreciate Hugh's attempt to get a line to Albuquerque, but now is not the time for that. :) But how else can you make the left turn at Albuquerque? Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: King on January 27, 2005, 05:22:13 PM 5-1, looks set to pass.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 28, 2005, 01:16:28 AM Yea. I appreciate Hugh's attempt to get a line to Albuquerque, but now is not the time for that. :) But how else can you make the left turn at Albuquerque? Yeah, you go to places like Spanish bullfights when you do. Much more interesting than some boring Atlasian destination. :) Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: WMS on January 28, 2005, 02:04:46 AM Yea. I appreciate Hugh's attempt to get a line to Albuquerque, but now is not the time for that. :) But how else can you make the left turn at Albuquerque? Yeah, you go to places like Spanish bullfights when you do. Much more interesting than some boring Atlasian destination. :) Gabu and Ernest get credits for making Looney Tunes references. ^_^ And at some point, there had better be a way to make that left turn at Albuquerque... ;-P Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 30, 2005, 03:38:41 PM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! WHO EVER HASN'T VOTED, JUST VOTE DANM IT!
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 30, 2005, 05:24:46 PM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! WHO EVER HASN'T VOTED, JUST VOTE DANM IT! We've actually already gotten 6 votes in favor, so this bill has passed the Senate. Now PBrunsel has 3 days to do something about it or it'll become law automatically. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Peter on January 30, 2005, 05:27:07 PM FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! WHO EVER HASN'T VOTED, JUST VOTE DANM IT! We've actually already gotten 6 votes in favor, so this bill has passed the Senate. Now PBrunsel has 3 days to do something about it or it'll become law automatically. Just so you know, the Constitution requires an overt act of transmittal for bills that have passed the Senate. Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on January 30, 2005, 05:40:24 PM With 6 votes in favor to 1 against, this bill has now passed the Senate. I hereby deliver it to PBrunsel to be signed.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: 12th Doctor on January 30, 2005, 06:51:59 PM Oh, okay... it would appear that we do have six votes. good
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Defarge on January 31, 2005, 10:42:55 AM Aye
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Siege40 on February 01, 2005, 10:11:17 AM Aye.
Sorry I took so long, I've been having connection problems on the forum, has anyone else been having them? Siege Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Gabu on February 01, 2005, 10:54:25 AM Aye. Sorry I took so long, I've been having connection problems on the forum, has anyone else been having them? Siege Tons. Hopefully that's PBrunsel's reason for not signing this bill yet. :) Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Siege40 on February 01, 2005, 11:32:38 AM Aye. Sorry I took so long, I've been having connection problems on the forum, has anyone else been having them? Siege Tons. Hopefully that's PBrunsel's reason for not signing this bill yet. :) Honestly, I couldn't get on all weekend. It's very difficult to be even a bad Senator with the connection problems I've been having. It's a good thing this is my last term or I'd be voted out of office so fast... Siege Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: Dr. Cynic on February 01, 2005, 12:46:46 PM I like this Bill, if I were a Senator, I would definitly support it.
Title: Re: Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch Post by: PBrunsel on February 01, 2005, 04:37:29 PM I sign this into law:
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