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Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on May 26, 2012, 05:29:06 PM
Smoking pot with friends is obviously worse than bullying a scrawny gay kid by holding him down and cutting his hair off.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: King on May 26, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
You want me to send a real chill down social conservative spines? These kind of stories will only become more common among major party nominees every election.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on May 26, 2012, 05:36:01 PM
Smoking pot with friends is obviously worse than bullying a scrawny gay kid by holding him down and cutting his hair off.

Worse than past cocaine use? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/world/americas/24iht-dems.3272493.html

Yes.  Duh. 


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Alcon on May 26, 2012, 05:46:41 PM
Why is that completely subjective?


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Torie on May 26, 2012, 05:47:34 PM
Premature exhaling is like leaving food on your plate.  Waste not, want not.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Paul Kemp on May 26, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
How did he survive the dangerous Pots?


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Fuzzybigfoot on May 26, 2012, 06:21:43 PM
Why is that completely subjective?

Thought it was pretty clear. Okay, I'll drop the completely, and just say that it's subjective. And what I mean by that is, that rational people can disagree on whether a 50 yr old bullying incident that occurred before someone finished puberty is worse than snorting cocaine in your early 20s while in college.

I wasn't saying either should necessarily be judged for their actions, I was saying that Romney's actions were worse (even if they are forgiveable). 


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on May 26, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
I'd never want to associate myself with anyone who holds a moral compass that says drug use is worse than physically assaulting someone. Smoking weed and snorting coke during your adolescent years isn't a reflection of your values in the slightest. It shows that you're one out of millions who decides to use a mind-altering substance.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on May 26, 2012, 06:45:18 PM
Why is that completely subjective?

Thought it was pretty clear. Okay, I'll drop the completely, and just say that it's subjective. And what I mean by that is, that rational people can disagree on whether a 50 yr old bullying incident that occurred before someone finished puberty is worse than snorting cocaine in your early 20s while in college.

That is not subjective in the slightest. Snorting cocaine is a consumptive choice that harms no one but the individual who does it and is simply a health risk. Ethically it is hardly different that choosing to consume unhealthy food. Compare that to emotionally and physically abusing someone that contributes to years of trauma. You'd have to be vacuous follower of the worst kind of "social conservatism" (read: neanderthal logic) to believe that Romney's mistakes were worse than Obama's.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 26, 2012, 06:53:21 PM
This improves my opinion of Obama considerably.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on May 26, 2012, 06:56:22 PM
Why is that completely subjective?

Thought it was pretty clear. Okay, I'll drop the completely, and just say that it's subjective. And what I mean by that is, that rational people can disagree on whether a 50 yr old bullying incident that occurred before someone finished puberty is worse than snorting cocaine in your early 20s while in college.

That is not subjective in the slightest. Snorting cocaine is a consumptive choice that harms no one but the individual who does it and is simply a health risk. Ethically it is hardly different that choosing to consume unhealthy food. Compare that to emotionally and physically abusing someone that contributes to years of trauma. You'd have to be vacuous follower of the worst kind of "social conservatism" (read: neanderthal logic) to believe that Romney's mistakes were worse than Obama's.

Again, this is subjective. And quit ASSuming stuff. I never said which one was worse. I simply said that Obama's drug use is fair game if Romney's high school actions are. Also, not sure if you're implying I'm a neanderthal social conservative for bringing this up, but you can simply check my social score on the political compass under my user name to see that isn't the case. Again, Take your partisan blinders off and read what people say before hitting 'post'.

Did I say anything about you? No. I'm saying that in no universe is this a subjective desicion, you'd have to possess a completely skewed moral compass that is based on some strange Christian/cult (read: Mormonism) dogma for Romney's sins to be viewed as less harmful. Morality isn't 100% subjective, friend. We don't live in a relativist world; there are ethical certainties.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: old timey villain on May 26, 2012, 06:57:21 PM
I've never been too pleased with Obama's cocaine use. It's a hell of a drug. But he was young and at least he was bold enough to admit to using it even before he ran for President. Compare that to Romney who is too cowardly and calculated to own up to any of the bullying allegations. To me, that makes what he did 10 times worse.

As for pot- who the hell cares in this day and age?? I don't smoke it, but I've experimented and most of my friends use it. I don't think this will be an issue for anyone under the age of 50.

On a similar note: Can anyone explain to me how this joke repeatedly told by Romney -"I was in government for four years, but I didn't inhale""- makes any sense at all??


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Torie on May 26, 2012, 06:57:54 PM
Given that one is smoking pot, just what is in any way exacerbating about going about the business of ingesting TCH efficiently?  I don't get that one at all. Thus to me this story is a great big fat zero.

The in government but didn't inhale means that Mittens is claiming that he did not acquire a government bureaucratic mentality, or think once in, it was better and more efficient, and more efficacious than he thought. It was nothing about well, inhaling pot, but rather about inhaling government. :)


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on May 26, 2012, 07:02:43 PM
Who cares?


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 26, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
So Obama was a pot head and a "pot innovator" in college.

Oh my.



Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: old timey villain on May 26, 2012, 07:03:36 PM
Given that one is smoking pot, just what is in any way exacerbating about going about the business of ingesting TCH efficiently?  I don't get that one at all. Thus to me this story is a great big fat zero.

The in government but didn't inhale means that Mittens is claiming that he did not acquire a government bureaucratic mentality, or think once in, it was better and more efficient, and more efficacious than he thought. It was nothing about well, inhaling pot, but rather about inhaling government. :)

Ok, so it makes some sense. It's just a terrible, terrible joke.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: FEMA Camp Administrator on May 26, 2012, 07:48:05 PM
In general, not in bawlexus' case, but in general, it's just plain stupid to judge a candidate based on what they did in high school. Even with the damn bullying incident, in high school, the mentality is "Hey, there's that queer, and everyone's doing stuff to him, better get in on this!" You see your friends doing it, having a good time, why the heck shouldn't you do this? You do sh**t every day that's regrettable. The mob mentality is the default and you're working overtime, mentally and morally, if you break it. Either that, or you're too lazy to be part of the mob. But either way, judging a candidate on crap they do in high school is a stupid and hollow tactic.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: NVGonzalez on May 26, 2012, 07:50:49 PM
I would contribute to the discussion however the f*(#s I was going to give have been lost around my room :(


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 26, 2012, 08:04:41 PM
I think it's a shame that people can't just follow the law. I don't care how "harmless" drugs are. They're illegal, and I think it says a lot about your character if you're willing to cross that line.

The same applies to the bullying incident. But I don't think one is any better than the other.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on May 26, 2012, 08:56:11 PM
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I'd never want to associate myself with anyone who holds a moral compass that says drug use is worse than physically assaulting someone. Smoking weed and snorting coke during your adolescent years isn't a reflection of your values in the slightest. It shows that you're one out of millions who decides to use a mind-altering substance.

You've never had to help someone come off an addiction have you? Dealing this crap should be the same as in singapore - a death sentence. And if you believe that Obama's stopped using, I have another bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on May 26, 2012, 09:06:26 PM
I'd never want to associate myself with anyone who holds a moral compass that says drug use is worse than physically assaulting someone. Smoking weed and snorting coke during your adolescent years isn't a reflection of your values in the slightest. It shows that you're one out of millions who decides to use a mind-altering substance.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: adrac on May 26, 2012, 09:14:45 PM
This improves my opinion of Obama considerably.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on May 26, 2012, 09:15:48 PM
Compare that to Romney who is too cowardly and calculated to own up to any of the bullying allegations. To me, that makes what he did 10 times worse.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/10/us-usa-campaign-romney-idUSBRE8491B220120510 "Romney apologizes for bullying incident - was unaware student was gay."

Romney apologizing for an incident he claims to not remember is very telling and mostly not in a good way.

It is good that he realizes that what happened was wrong, but his claim to not remember the incident shows that either he cowardly refused to come forward about this on his own until it was brought up by others, or.he was such a sick bastard as a kid that he could assault someone and not find it a memorable incident.  Frankly, the latter possibility is more worrying to me. Whether or not he thought the victim was gay is immaterial to me, as no matter what he thought the kid's sexual orientation was, it just as sickening what multiple witnesses allege Romney did.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: tpfkaw on May 26, 2012, 09:22:42 PM
Obama being a pothead is not an issue in and of itself - what is an issue is him being a hypocrite and having his Gestapo go and bash in the heads of fellow potheads by the million (even flip-flopping on medical marijuana).  This is, of course, mass bullying, and many orders of magnitude greater than a single incident.  Romney holds the same position but the crucial difference is that at least (AFAIK) he isn't a hypocrite about it.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on May 26, 2012, 09:37:45 PM


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: TheDeadFlagBlues on May 26, 2012, 09:42:20 PM
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I'd never want to associate myself with anyone who holds a moral compass that says drug use is worse than physically assaulting someone. Smoking weed and snorting coke during your adolescent years isn't a reflection of your values in the slightest. It shows that you're one out of millions who decides to use a mind-altering substance.

You've never had to help someone come off an addiction have you? Dealing this crap should be the same as in singapore - a death sentence. And if you believe that Obama's stopped using, I have another bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Your obvious fetish against drug use (the death penalty? seriously?) need not be prescribed against the rest of the population.

You really believe that Obama still smokes weed or snorts coke?


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 26, 2012, 10:17:07 PM
Dealing and using are two very different things. I don't exactly agree with what he said, but I do believe that dealing drugs should carry a pretty huge penalty.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Vosem on May 26, 2012, 10:34:04 PM
Well, there's nothing wrong with marijuana. Unlike, say, tobacco or cocaine or heroine.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Purch on May 26, 2012, 11:24:19 PM
So what's the relevance of the actions of Obama in college or the actions of Romney in High school? Neither of these present a vision of the future... And it adds to what Corey Booker said (After he backtracked or before he did) That the negative attack adds have really degraded our election process because it's more about presenting the opposition as a non viable alternative rather than presenting yourself as a person who has a bold plan for a country in a financial crisis.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: LastVoter on May 27, 2012, 12:03:05 AM
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I'd never want to associate myself with anyone who holds a moral compass that says drug use is worse than physically assaulting someone. Smoking weed and snorting coke during your adolescent years isn't a reflection of your values in the slightest. It shows that you're one out of millions who decides to use a mind-altering substance.

You've never had to help someone come off an addiction have you? Dealing this crap should be the same as in singapore - a death sentence. And if you believe that Obama's stopped using, I have another bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Go on...


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Napoleon on May 27, 2012, 12:13:03 AM
Smoking pot with friends is obviously worse than bullying a scrawny gay kid by holding him down and cutting his hair off.

Worse than past cocaine use? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/world/americas/24iht-dems.3272493.html

Yes.  Duh. 
Duh? That's completely subjective. Also, do me a favor. In about 30-40 years, when you're no longer in your teens, tell me you'd like to be judged on the way you acted as a kid. It's not exactly a novel idea that people can change over the course of 50 YEARS. That same logic should also apply to Barack Obama's drug abusing past. But since they wanted to bring up these things, let's bring them up.
No. It isn't subjective. Bullying someone else is far worse than taking a substance that only affects you.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on May 27, 2012, 12:26:04 AM
I thought a big liberal critique of social conservatism was that politicians shouldn't be allowed to "oppress" the population with a subjective moral code.

I find it kind of funny that people (liberals, no less) are trying to approach morality using black-and-white thinking.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: milhouse24 on May 27, 2012, 11:53:42 AM
Its funny that these two candidates fit the stereotypes perfectly. 

Obama, the Liberal Democrat, is a pot-smoking, cocaine-snorting liberal who probably wants to legalize marijuana if possible. 

Romney, the traditionalist Republican, hates long haired artistic hippie kids. 

I think Americans will have a stark contrast with which to decide between.  Do they want a return to traditional family values?  Or do they want to move in a more liberal and progressive direction of drug legalization. 

The choice is obvious for most 420 friendly. 


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Torie on May 27, 2012, 01:16:51 PM
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The choice is obvious for most 420 friendly.

Oh God. If that is the case, maybe THC damages the brain after all. Well, at least you said "most" rather than "all," so I can't just open the trap door on you, and watch you dangle for my reading pleasure. Darn!  :(


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on May 27, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
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Your obvious fetish against drug use (the death penalty? seriously?) need not be prescribed against the rest of the population.

For dealers? Yes.

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You really believe that Obama still smokes weed or snorts coke?

Absolutely. I've had to help friends get off it. It's not a laughing matter and it's a hell of a drug to quit.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: King on May 27, 2012, 06:24:29 PM
I think it's a shame that people can't just follow the law. I don't care how "harmless" drugs are. They're illegal, and I think it says a lot about your character if you're willing to cross that line.

The same applies to the bullying incident. But I don't think one is any better than the other.

Isn't the basis of a conservative ideology being that the law (government) is not inherently correct?


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Lief 🗽 on May 27, 2012, 07:23:54 PM
I think it's a shame that people can't just follow the law. I don't care how "harmless" drugs are. They're illegal, and I think it says a lot about your character if you're willing to cross that line.

The same applies to the bullying incident. But I don't think one is any better than the other.

Isn't the basis of a conservative ideology being that the law (government) is not inherently correct?

Only if the law negatively impacts the rich. If it punishes poors, they're all for it.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: tik 🪀✨ on May 27, 2012, 08:34:08 PM
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Your obvious fetish against drug use (the death penalty? seriously?) need not be prescribed against the rest of the population.

For dealers? Yes.

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You really believe that Obama still smokes weed or snorts coke?

Absolutely. I've had to help friends get off it. It's not a laughing matter and it's a hell of a drug to quit.

Your friends are pathetic.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: You kip if you want to... on May 27, 2012, 08:37:16 PM
The problem for social conservatives here isn't the drug use, it's the stereotype of who is a drug-user. If you get what i'm tryna say.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 27, 2012, 10:20:11 PM
This seems to have been a way of life for Barack in College.

He was plenty old enough to know better.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Wisconsin+17 on May 28, 2012, 12:48:26 PM
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Your friends are pathetic

And people call me heartless.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: hawkeye59 on May 29, 2012, 06:02:24 PM
This seems to have been a way of life for Barack in College.

He was plenty old enough to know better.
And Romney was plenty old enough to know better than assault another person because he thought he was gay. And besides, bullying is unquestionably bad. Bullying is generally considered a little worse than pot, whose morality is disputed.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 29, 2012, 08:23:37 PM
I am not defending bullying by anybody in any sense, bullying of a gay person or any other prson, Romney says he does not remember the incident, but in any case, he should certainly have known better.


Title: Re: ABC News: Obama and his pot-smoking "Choom Gang"
Post by: Bacon King on May 29, 2012, 10:38:36 PM
Barry-O sounds like he was a hilariously awesome bro in his youth.