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Posting this at BRTD's suggestion after an entertaining discussion we just had on IRC.

BRTD has a newly discovered fetish where he has realized he likes to look at women getting baptized. Because of this, he's planning on going to other churches in his area whenever they do their baptisms so he can watch. However, he'll look away whenever a man or underage girl gets baptized, and tells me that makes it okay because then it's no different than going to a strip club.

My question is: is it hypocritical for him to do this, as a self-described Christian?

This is an odd world.

Only if the women being baptized are married, for as the LORD GOD commanded us: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife."

Do the same marital restrictions also apply to BRTD's "girl who handwave in church" fetish?

Based on my admittedly thorough understanding of scripture, yes.

I don't understand the point of looking away for dudes and younger lady types.  I can certainly understand enjoying watching women getting baptized...what with the white cloth clinging to their supple bodies and all that.....

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This would make me uncomfortable. The baptism is supposed to be a sacred moment in a person's relationship with Jesus Christ. While technically, what a person doesn't know does not hurt them, it does feel like an intrusion as I can imagine many people would be upset if their ceremony was used in this way. Also, God knows and I can see God being jealous. Imagine you were getting married to a woman and it suddenly came to your attention that at the back of the pews there was a guy with a wedding dress fetish, who came to see your bride in her wedding dress. Wouldn't it make you slightly irritated? Still, uncomfortable and ungodly are not the same thing. So, I am more tempted to go with Lief's point.

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Option 3.

What?
WHAT!?

Is BRTD for real......or is this just fantasy?

I mean really dude, if you are desperate to see chicks in wet t-shirts there are websites for it.  WEBSITES.  The Raising of the Hands.........seriously man.

What else gets you off BRTD?  Hallmark Cards?  Women reading books to little kids?  Women getting cokes from Convenience machines?  Business Suits?  Women who dress up like Boy Scouts and Abraham Lincoln?  Women who wear fake beards?  Women who lean over to pick up books at the bookstore?  Women who work at coffee shops who turn around to make Italian Soda?

Seriously man, Freud would have a field day here.

LOL, I was saying silly things in chat last night while buzzed wasn't I?

Actually it's not really an entirely sexual thing, but it's a really awesome celebration for me and when it has cute girls getting wet that certainly isn't a bad thing in addition. Yeah saying the I'd look away with guys was kind of silly, though it was more in relation to skipping the guys in the videos I posted. But like I noted, all the girls in this video are rather cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZcEUXWr300


Huh? Most people who get baptized don't wear white from what I've seen, I certainly wasn't a few months ago. Most people wear dark T-shirts.


Oh dammit. I wish that girl who leads worship all the time and is married to one of the pastors wouldn't always dress so hot. :(

A very odd hobby, BRTD apparently isn't getting enough, but just why would it be hypocritical for a "Christian" to do this?

Haha, thanks for posting this, BK!  How embarrassing.

This is the strangest fetish I have heard about in a very long time.

Viagra kicks in within 5 minutes?  ;)

Is this the hipster Christian version of a wet t-shirt contest?

Since I'm entirely sober tonight, I realize that yeah that did sound kind of creepy, though I'm not really serious about it. I mean yes I like to watch hot girls get baptized but that's why I like baptism videos. Truthfully though it's not really sexual but is in a weird way because fundamentally as Morden pointed out and Lewis did in the other thread...well it's a girl in a wet T-shirt. But the act itself is already awesome so that's just kind of an added bonus. It's really happy and exciting. That's actually what largely moved me from the paedobaptist to credobaptist position, people in the event in the latter look happy, as opposed to kids getting confirmed who are bored and don't care. Like my confirmation was basically us standing up, repeating some stuff some guy told us to say, and then it was like "OK you are confirmed". Getting baptized was a lot cooler and more exciting. So yeah having that and a girl in a wet T-shirt...yeah.


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I still don't understand the looking away for dudes and younger girls.  Is the act less "awesome" when it's them announcing their turn to Christ?  Less happy and exciting?

In this thread: BRTD defends his weird Jesus/bath fetish by citing a man who butchered and ate someone after attempting to feed him his own penis.

It isn't hypocritical. It is insane.

That's lacking the hot girl in a wet T-shirt angle. Though that was the alcohol talking. I should note that I didn't do that at my own church's baptisms in February (though I was one of the baptized.)

Can we at least agree this makes more sense than baptizing babies wearing dresses regardless of gender? Seriously why do people put their baby boys in dresses for baptism?

Why wouldn't they?

Because they've always used baptismal gowns; indeed, up until around the 1800s, boys all wore dresses (easier to lengthen due to growth (clothing was much more expensive then), toilet training, and beliefs that, since girls were less valuable, evil spirits were less likely to take them away). It's just a continuation of what was the norm for millenniums.

That's basically the Appeal to Tradition fallacy. Now it's harmless, but I do see it as pretty silly regardless. Mind you I kind of feel the same way about making babies wear anything besides what's most practical, the babies aren't going to care regardless. I recall the discussion my mom, aunt and grandmother had about how some friend of my mom's was talking about wanting to buy $70 dresses for her baby but couldn't afford them and she'd probably outgrow them in just 3 months anyway...

I should point out that dress in adult baptisms is always done in a purely practical manner, hence me cutting off my jeans below the knee that were already excessively holey the night before, and the girl afterwards being in a tank top and sweatpants. And none of the babies being dedicated, even the females, in ridiculous elaborate dresses.

That's because adults are old enough to fight off the evil spirits. Yeah, it doesn't make much sense, but it's a harmless tradition that people don't mind, so why mess with it? I wouldn't think that your church would have the babies wear the gowns anyways though; yours seems less traditional on that (I think I saw something about people going there in band shirts), so I would assume they wouldn't have such gowns.

When do you guys have IRC sessions?  Same place as earlier in the year, right?

I always assumed it was entirely up to the parents what they wanted their baby to be wearing when baptized (same as basically every situation), and most of those gowns are either specifically bought for the occasion or family hand-me-downs. So if someone at my church wanted to have their baby dedicated in such a gown, there's nothing stopping them.

And yes, I was baptized in a band shirt.

Look for someone to post in the IRC thread stickied on the top of this board whenever a big session is going on, but there's usually people chatting most nights (US time).

They are typically specially for the occasion, and there really is nothing saying you have to or don't have to, but I'd guess at yours it'd seem kinda out of place and too formal, and at a few others everyone dresses their baby in a gown and it'd seem kinda out of place to not have the baby in the gown. It really just depends on the denomination, or even individual church.

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