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Title: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Tender Branson on May 30, 2012, 09:53:22 am
New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo gets a 71 - 16 percent approval rating today, the highest score for an Empire State governor since Gov. George Pataki hit 81 - 12 percent in the wake of 9/11, and continuing Gov. Cuomo's year-long trend with the highest approval rating of any governor in the seven states surveyed by the Quinnipiac University poll.

Voters support 79 - 18 percent, including 61 - 34 percent among Republicans, raising the minimum wage, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Cuomo's job approval is 68 - 20 percent among Republicans, 76 - 11 percent among Democrats and 69 - 19 percent among independent voters, 71 - 15 percent among Protestants, 71 - 18 percent among Catholics and 83 - 9 percent among Jews. There is no gender or racial gap. Approval is 68 - 19 percent upstate, 72 - 15 percent in New York City and 76 - 12 percent in the suburbs.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-york-state/release-detail?ReleaseID=1755


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: timothyinMD on May 30, 2012, 11:50:14 am
I fully expect a Cuomo candidacy in 2016, but I also see an O'Malley candidacy


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Miles on May 30, 2012, 12:07:51 pm
"Gov. Cuomo might not be the most popular governor in the nation, but he's the most popular - Democrat or Republican - in the seven states surveyed by Quinnipiac University. For example, he's well-ahead of New Jersey Gov. Christopher Christie's all-time best 59 - 36 percent. Cuomo tops that score among Republicans in New York State."

Who else has over 71% popularity? Beebe?


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Snowstalker's Last Stand on May 31, 2012, 05:41:44 am
He's one of the worst governors in the country.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: morgieb on May 31, 2012, 06:57:01 am
New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo gets a 71 - 16 percent approval rating today, the highest score for an Empire State governor since Gov. George Pataki hit 81 - 12 percent in the wake of 9/11, and continuing Gov. Cuomo's year-long trend with the highest approval rating of any governor in the seven states surveyed by the Quinnipiac University poll.

Voters support 79 - 18 percent, including 61 - 34 percent among Republicans, raising the minimum wage, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Cuomo's job approval is 68 - 20 percent among Republicans, 76 - 11 percent among Democrats and 69 - 19 percent among independent voters, 71 - 15 percent among Protestants, 71 - 18 percent among Catholics and 83 - 9 percent among Jews. There is no gender or racial gap. Approval is 68 - 19 percent upstate, 72 - 15 percent in New York City and 76 - 12 percent in the suburbs.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-york-state/release-detail?ReleaseID=1755

Can you say "Cuomo for President, 2016"? He definitely has the numbers to do it - hugely popular and successful Governor in a large blue-state. Only question is, will he basically be like his dad, "Hamlet on the Hudson" part 2? His dad was thought to be considering a run for the Presidency in 1988 and 1992, but never bit the bullet. If Andrew does run in '16, he'll definitely be top-tier, and will have a better shot at it than Biden, despite what polls say now. This is all presuming Hillary doesn't run (and she won't).

The problem with a Cuomo run is that a lot of left-wing Democrats don't like him. I can easily see a left-wing alternative gaining momentum if he gets the nomination.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: R2D2 on May 31, 2012, 08:33:48 am
:)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Scott on May 31, 2012, 02:14:24 pm

The problem with a Cuomo run is that a lot of left-wing Democrats don't like him. I can easily see a left-wing alternative gaining momentum if he gets the nomination.

Doesn't the fact that he has a 71% approval rating in one of the most Democratic/leftist states in the nation negate what you just said? 

Exactly.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on May 31, 2012, 04:12:02 pm
Uh, Cuomo is the normal leftist. "Marxists" in their suburban bedrooms or basements might act upset but Cuomo is well liked by all New Yorkers for doing a good job running the state.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Vosem on May 31, 2012, 04:18:22 pm
Even I approve of Cuomo. Though that's not saying much about the left-wing of the Democratic Party, I think parts of the Internet underrate Cuomo.

Who else has over 71% popularity? Beebe?

Probably not, I recall polling showing Beebe in the '60s. Heineman reaches similar levels at present, I think. Freudenthal and Hoeven both come to mind, but they both left office in 2010.

This is all presuming Hillary doesn't run (and she won't).

Hillary would be handed the nomination on a silver platter. And I don't think she'd be able to resist the temptation.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on May 31, 2012, 04:28:33 pm
Uh, Cuomo is the normal leftist. "Marxists" in their suburban bedrooms or basements might act upset but Cuomo is well liked by all New Yorkers for doing a good job running the state.

He's not a leftist, he's a liberal. Granted, a competent one some of the leftist anger at whom is misplaced.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 01, 2012, 07:56:49 am
New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo gets a 71 - 16 percent approval rating today, the highest score for an Empire State governor since Gov. George Pataki hit 81 - 12 percent in the wake of 9/11, and continuing Gov. Cuomo's year-long trend with the highest approval rating of any governor in the seven states surveyed by the Quinnipiac University poll.

Voters support 79 - 18 percent, including 61 - 34 percent among Republicans, raising the minimum wage, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Cuomo's job approval is 68 - 20 percent among Republicans, 76 - 11 percent among Democrats and 69 - 19 percent among independent voters, 71 - 15 percent among Protestants, 71 - 18 percent among Catholics and 83 - 9 percent among Jews. There is no gender or racial gap. Approval is 68 - 19 percent upstate, 72 - 15 percent in New York City and 76 - 12 percent in the suburbs.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-york-state/release-detail?ReleaseID=1755
that poll is worthless when it comes to the Jews (it way underestimates Orthodox Jews like almost all these polls do)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: morgieb on June 01, 2012, 08:15:12 am
Uh, Cuomo is the normal leftist. "Marxists" in their suburban bedrooms or basements might act upset but Cuomo is well liked by all New Yorkers for doing a good job running the state.

He's not a leftist, he's a liberal. Granted, a competent one some of the leftist anger at whom is misplaced.
Yeah I agree with Nath on this one.

I'm disappointed he isn't more left as this is New York, but unlike some, I think he'd make a decent President.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Pope Michael Bolton on June 01, 2012, 01:32:39 pm
Even I approve of Cuomo. Though that's not saying much about the left-wing of the Democratic Party, I think parts of the Internet underrate Cuomo.

Who else has over 71% popularity? Beebe?

Probably not, I recall polling showing Beebe in the '60s. Heineman reaches similar levels at present, I think. Freudenthal and Hoeven both come to mind, but they both left office in 2010.

This is all presuming Hillary doesn't run (and she won't).

Hillary would be handed the nomination on a silver platter. And I don't think she'd be able to resist the temptation.

Not a chance, her shot was in 2008.  She's only got high approvals atm because she's basically stayed out of domestic politics since being made Secretary of State.  The minute she tries to reinsert herself into domestic politics, her negatives will go back up.  Also, many Democrats still haven't forgiven her for her race-baiting during the 2008 campaign.  Additionally, ambitious Democrats such as O'Malley, Cuomo, Hickenlooper, etc. aren't just going to stand aside because a Clinton is running.  Obama already proved that she is beatable and many Democrats will be more willing to publicly cross the Clintons than in 2008.  Also, she is simply a very unlikable person and comes across as bullying, paranoid, arrogant, and ruthless when running against a strong opponent  (there is a reason she is sometimes referred to as "Lady McBeth" :P).  Plus, she seemed to be pretty much dead to the progressive/liberal wing of the Democratic party.  Lastly, some of the groups that backed her in 2008 (Jewish voters, Hispanics, Southern whites, etc) probably wouldn't support her as strongly if she were to run in 2016 (for a variety of reasons).


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Erc on June 01, 2012, 01:39:48 pm
68-20 approval amongst NY Republicans?

What has this guy done to get so much love from people who should recognize him for what he really is?

I hope there's some Democrat that can stop him in 2016, or that the nation is really tired of Democrats by then and he pulls a (Mario) Cuomo, expecting a loss.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: patrick1 on June 01, 2012, 02:49:26 pm
I'm surprised. I guess that most New Yorkers must not pay enough attention to relaize that he's a paranoid bully.

^Yep, I don't trust Cuomo with the power of the Presidency. He has been an underhanded operator for decades.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Comrade Funk on June 01, 2012, 07:38:17 pm
New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo gets a 71 - 16 percent approval rating today, the highest score for an Empire State governor since Gov. George Pataki hit 81 - 12 percent in the wake of 9/11, and continuing Gov. Cuomo's year-long trend with the highest approval rating of any governor in the seven states surveyed by the Quinnipiac University poll.

Voters support 79 - 18 percent, including 61 - 34 percent among Republicans, raising the minimum wage, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Cuomo's job approval is 68 - 20 percent among Republicans, 76 - 11 percent among Democrats and 69 - 19 percent among independent voters, 71 - 15 percent among Protestants, 71 - 18 percent among Catholics and 83 - 9 percent among Jews. There is no gender or racial gap. Approval is 68 - 19 percent upstate, 72 - 15 percent in New York City and 76 - 12 percent in the suburbs.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-york-state/release-detail?ReleaseID=1755
that poll is worthless when it comes to the Jews (it way underestimates Orthodox Jews like almost all these polls do)
Most Jews aren't Orthodox, so yeah....


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: THIS MACHINE CRUSHES REGRESSIVES on June 01, 2012, 10:07:05 pm
68-20 approval amongst NY Republicans?

What has this guy done to get so much love from people who should recognize him for what he really is?

I hope there's some Democrat that can stop him in 2016, or that the nation is really tired of Democrats by then and he pulls a (Mario) Cuomo, expecting a loss.

Because New York democrats are so left-wing, Cuomo spends a lot of his time doing battle with his own party. Republicans see him as a bipartisan doer.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: The Conflict on June 02, 2012, 12:38:49 am
What has Cuomo done that's so conservative? The only thing I've heard in regards to specifics is that he was open to legalizing fracking (which is most certainly not something I'd favor, but I doubt it's the only thing fueling this.)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on June 02, 2012, 12:52:05 am
What has Cuomo done that's so conservative? The only thing I've heard in regards to specifics is that he was open to legalizing fracking (which is most certainly not something I'd favor, but I doubt it's the only thing fueling this.)
He made some pension cuts that are no big deal. New York can't be taxed any more than it is so Cuomo is doing the right thing. Malloy wont raise taxes enough. Too many people have this narrow ideological view and fail to put things in perspective. Considering he only has an 11% disapproval rating among actual New York Democrats, it is hard to take the Cuomo haters on this forum seriously.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on June 02, 2012, 01:06:14 am
He is definitely a moderate hero for talking tough on redistricting, and then signing the usual horrible Republican gerrymander of the state Senate into law.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on June 02, 2012, 01:09:53 am
He is definitely a moderate hero for talking tough on redistricting, and then signing the usual horrible Republican gerrymander of the state Senate into law.
He was forced to cave by his own party. It is tough to get the better end of the powers that be in New York.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Svensson on June 02, 2012, 02:08:51 am
The fact that he's actually managing to sort out the nightmare Spitzer and Paterson left should, by rights, be more than enough to satisfy the left, particularly in our day and age of horrible governance. It's really quite sad they feel the need to take far-wing swings at his centrism that would make the Tea Party proud.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on June 02, 2012, 04:33:09 am
He is definitely a moderate hero for talking tough on redistricting, and then signing the usual horrible Republican gerrymander of the state Senate into law.
He was forced to cave by his own party. It is tough to get the better end of the powers that be in New York.

He could have vetoed it. I imagine that Senate Democrats would have blocked a veto override.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on June 02, 2012, 05:18:10 am
He is definitely a moderate hero for talking tough on redistricting, and then signing the usual horrible Republican gerrymander of the state Senate into law.
He was forced to cave by his own party. It is tough to get the better end of the powers that be in New York.

He could have vetoed it. I imagine that Senate Democrats would have blocked a veto override.
You must not know much about New York politics. The Democrats dont care about the State Senate.
Yes, theoretically they "could" have blocked a veto override but it wouldn't be in their interest, just like a vetowasnt in Cuomo's interest.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on June 02, 2012, 02:59:30 pm
He is definitely a moderate hero for talking tough on redistricting, and then signing the usual horrible Republican gerrymander of the state Senate into law.
He was forced to cave by his own party. It is tough to get the better end of the powers that be in New York.

He could have vetoed it. I imagine that Senate Democrats would have blocked a veto override.
You must not know much about New York politics. The Democrats dont care about the State Senate.
Yes, theoretically they "could" have blocked a veto override but it wouldn't be in their interest, just like a vetowasnt in Cuomo's interest.

Umm, I know that Assembly Democrats don't care about the State Senate but obviously Senate Democrats would.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: greenforest32 on June 02, 2012, 03:04:54 pm
Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on June 02, 2012, 03:08:31 pm
Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.

Assembly Democrats get to gerrymander their own chamber in exchange. So the majority parties of both chambers vote for this. So it easily passes, but would fail a veto override.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: greenforest32 on June 02, 2012, 03:24:37 pm
Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.

Assembly Democrats get to gerrymander their own chamber in exchange. So the majority parties of both chambers vote for this. So it easily passes, but would fail a veto override.

If passing legislation requires an identical version of a bill to pass through both chambers, what good would it do to vote to gerrymander half the state legislature out of your control?

Wouldn't NY democrats be better off with 55% of both chambers rather than 65% of the Assembly and 45-49% of the senate?


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on June 02, 2012, 03:25:37 pm
Senate Democrats don't really care. Their caucus is a trainwreck anyway.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ○∙◄☻tπ[╪AV┼cV└ on June 03, 2012, 06:24:29 pm
Why would Assembly Democrats prefer a Republican state senate? I'd assume Democrats would want to control both chambers.

Assembly Democrats get to gerrymander their own chamber in exchange. So the majority parties of both chambers vote for this. So it easily passes, but would fail a veto override.

If passing legislation requires an identical version of a bill to pass through both chambers, what good would it do to vote to gerrymander half the state legislature out of your control?

Wouldn't NY democrats be better off with 55% of both chambers rather than 65% of the Assembly and 45-49% of the senate?

If no bill was passed, a court would draw the map. The Democrats would lose Assembly seats, but be sure to take control of the Senate.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Simfan34 on June 03, 2012, 10:30:21 pm
Proof the Atlas doesn't represent America. Or even the liberal Northeast. Andrew Cuomo, FF.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Smash255 on June 03, 2012, 11:27:12 pm
As someone is liberal NY Democrat, I don't know what some of the complaints about Cuomo are really about.  He has done an excellent job as Governor.  The Pension reform thing was no big deal, and well this isn't Wisconsin in going after teachers making $40-$50K. 

Casing point my current county legislator (Republican Joe Belesi) is a retired Nassau County Cop, rakes in a six figure pension, and got a pay out of $432,000 when he retired from the force (though that was more due to a screwed up county system than state system, put in place by former county exec Republican Tom Gullotta)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: tpfkaw on June 03, 2012, 11:29:14 pm
Wouldn't NY democrats be better off with 55% of both chambers rather than 65% of the Assembly and 45-49% of the senate?

Not members of the NY State Assembly.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: President North Carolina Yankee on June 04, 2012, 01:39:19 am
Self-preservation is at the forefront of almost everyone's mind in Albany and no one wants to risk being that 10% who gets "shaved off". So they prefer to draw their own seats to avoid any concerns about their jobs. Even if it constrains the power of the party, it preserves the power of numero uno and that is all that matters in their eyes.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Eraserhead on June 04, 2012, 02:28:32 am
He's a mediocrity. Always has been.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: bgwah on June 04, 2012, 03:15:09 am
So he's most popular in the suburbs? That's interesting.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Smash255 on June 04, 2012, 09:27:33 pm
So he's most popular in the suburbs? That's interesting.

72-15 and 76-12 is basically semantics, but his popularity in the suburbs isn't exactly that surprising.  The property tax cap was quite popular here, especially considering the average property taxes in the core NYC suburban counties are $10-12,000.  Also the suburbs are socially liberal, most of the same sex marriage polls showed the support in the suburbs slightly higher than NYC proper.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on June 04, 2012, 09:39:14 pm
So he's most popular in the suburbs? That's interesting.

72-15 and 76-12 is basically semantics, but his popularity in the suburbs isn't exactly that surprising.  The property tax cap was quite popular here, especially considering the average property taxes in the core NYC suburban counties are $10-12,000.  Also the suburbs are socially liberal, most of the same sex marriage polls showed the support in the suburbs slightly higher than NYC proper.

People like NY Jew in the city, lots of conservative Orthodox Jews. Also minorities that aren't very socially liberal and Staten Island of course.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Simfan34 on June 05, 2012, 03:40:24 pm
He's a mediocrity. Always has been.

Case proved. He's an excellent administrator. The Democrats have a lot of people I could see myself voting for in 2016- Schweitzer, Cuomo, Booker, Clinton...


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 05, 2012, 06:18:28 pm
New York State Gov. Andrew Cuomo gets a 71 - 16 percent approval rating today, the highest score for an Empire State governor since Gov. George Pataki hit 81 - 12 percent in the wake of 9/11, and continuing Gov. Cuomo's year-long trend with the highest approval rating of any governor in the seven states surveyed by the Quinnipiac University poll.

Voters support 79 - 18 percent, including 61 - 34 percent among Republicans, raising the minimum wage, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University poll finds.

Cuomo's job approval is 68 - 20 percent among Republicans, 76 - 11 percent among Democrats and 69 - 19 percent among independent voters, 71 - 15 percent among Protestants, 71 - 18 percent among Catholics and 83 - 9 percent among Jews. There is no gender or racial gap. Approval is 68 - 19 percent upstate, 72 - 15 percent in New York City and 76 - 12 percent in the suburbs.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-york-state/release-detail?ReleaseID=1755
that poll is worthless when it comes to the Jews (it way underestimates Orthodox Jews like almost all these polls do)
Most Jews aren't Orthodox, so yeah....
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY according to the Berman Institute there are 1,635,020 Jews in NY.

now learn math.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 05, 2012, 08:00:41 pm
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 05, 2012, 10:15:26 pm
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on June 05, 2012, 10:42:46 pm
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 06, 2012, 08:28:48 am
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: bore on June 06, 2012, 01:20:33 pm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."

The rest are not jews. They are self hating anti semites.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 06, 2012, 03:02:48 pm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
the rest are secular and don't identify with any type of Judaism.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 06, 2012, 03:08:31 pm
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
did I say half?
I said that it underestimates the Orthodox vote in short more then 9% of NYS must disapprove of Coumo based on the fact that these numbers are not true because just based on the Orthodox numbers (even using a conservative 50% "Orthodox Jewish Coumo unapproval rating") alone it should be higher then 9% for Coumo's unapproval rating.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Trounce-'em Theresa on June 06, 2012, 03:33:01 pm
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
did I say half?
I said that it underestimates the Orthodox vote in short more then 9% of NYS must disapprove of Coumo based on the fact that these numbers are not true because just based on the Orthodox numbers (even using a conservative 50% "Orthodox Jewish Coumo unapproval rating") alone it should be higher then 9% for Coumo's unapproval rating.

You listed two numbers, one of which was a number of Orthodox Jews, the other a number of all Jews, in implicit response to the statement that most New York Jews aren't Orthodox. Sadly for you, those numbers confirmed that most New York Jews are, in fact, not Orthodox. 35.99% is not 'most'. Then you further itemized it in a way that didn't add up to your total.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 06, 2012, 05:30:12 pm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
the rest are secular and don't identify with any type of Judaism.

You are incorrect to say that Jews who are not adherents to synagogues "don't identify with any type of Judaism." Maybe their identification as Jews is meaningless to you and other Orthodox Jews, but you don't get to decide how they self-identify, and you certainly don't get to apply this to polls where self-identification is the issue and they are counted as Jews. After all, the Satmars would consider you a goy.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 06, 2012, 05:44:07 pm
according to thearda.com there are 588,500 Orthodox Jews in NY

Here's a link that says 550,000-600,000 Orthodox Jews in all of North America.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Those numbers don't even add up to half of 1,635,020. Now learn math.
did I say half?
I said that it underestimates the Orthodox vote in short more then 9% of NYS must disapprove of Coumo based on the fact that these numbers are not true because just based on the Orthodox numbers (even using a conservative 50% "Orthodox Jewish Coumo unapproval rating") alone it should be higher then 9% for Coumo's unapproval rating.

You listed two numbers, one of which was a number of Orthodox Jews, the other a number of all Jews, in implicit response to the statement that most New York Jews aren't Orthodox. Sadly for you, those numbers confirmed that most New York Jews are, in fact, not Orthodox. 35.99% is not 'most'. Then you further itemized it in a way that didn't add up to your total.
but his response was to my statement that this poll underestimates Orthodox Jews.  which is why I posted what I did. 


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 06, 2012, 05:53:00 pm
http://www.thearda.com/rcms2010/r/s/36/rcms2010_36_state_name_2010.asp
Jews in NY
Orthodox Jews 588,500
Reform Jews 106,806
Conservative Jews 82,809
Reconstructionist Jews 5,991

next time look at the source of the "fact" you said it was only a letter to the editor in a magazine.

Quick question.

Do you believe there are only 190,000 non-Orthodox Jews in the state of New York?

You're citing that data under the header "Jews in NY."
the rest are secular and don't identify with any type of Judaism.

You are incorrect to say that Jews who are not adherents to synagogues "don't identify with any type of Judaism." Maybe their identification as Jews is meaningless to you and other Orthodox Jews, but you don't get to decide how they self-identify, and you certainly don't get to apply this to polls where self-identification is the issue and they are counted as Jews. After all, the Satmars would consider you a goy.
how many Satmar's do you know?
you have no clue about the Orthodox Jewish community.  you know that Satmar (at least the more religious ones) respect some non Chasidiem very much.  besides there are many things that I'm much more machmir about then Satmar (and if you don't know what that means then your opinion is all the more worthless).  Just for the record non chasidich Lakewood is much more religious then Williamsburg and KJ.

Thought you might be interested to know that one of the Satmar rebbe's has a picture of one of the rabinic leaders of the OU (which show his respect) in his house I'm 100% sure that the situation is not reversed.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 06, 2012, 06:32:49 pm
I take it you're conceding the rest of the post where the fact that you don't consider Jews not affiliated with temples to be Jewish is immaterial if they identify as Jewish to a pollster or anyone else.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: The Conflict on June 06, 2012, 09:44:45 pm
So by the same standard, any self-identified Christians who don't belong to a church are not actually Christian. Then the percentage of non-Christians in the country is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than normally reported (per ARDA's data that would put Minnesota as 43% non-Christian for example when the last Pew survey has us as 14% (13% unaffiliated and 1% non-Christian religions). That's quite the discrepancy. Also if there are synagogues that are as sloppy at membership numbers keeping as many churches are those numbers could underestimate even the number of Jews affiliated with a synagogue (and it seems Reform synagogues would be more likely to do this than Orthodox.)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 07, 2012, 08:02:22 am
So by the same standard, any self-identified Christians who don't belong to a church are not actually Christian. Then the percentage of non-Christians in the country is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than normally reported (per ARDA's data that would put Minnesota as 43% non-Christian for example when the last Pew survey has us as 14% (13% unaffiliated and 1% non-Christian religions). That's quite the discrepancy. Also if there are synagogues that are as sloppy at membership numbers keeping as many churches are those numbers could underestimate even the number of Jews affiliated with a synagogue (and it seems Reform synagogues would be more likely to do this than Orthodox.)

There are loads and loads of Reform and Conservative Jews who will go to synagogue on the High Holidays but not affiliate with the synagogue during the year - they wouldn't be on the rolls but still identify as Jewish. They don't have to affiliate with a temple to have a seder and eat matzo for Passover. They aren't secular and identify as Jews in their lives and presumably to pollsters. Of course, if you go to a Reform synagogue twice a year or every week, you're still not a real Jew by the standards of Orthodoxy. That's fine for religious beliefsNY Jew can label several million people however he wants in his head and the heads of his communitybut it doesn't apply to demographics and psephology.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 07, 2012, 08:29:33 am
you have no clue about the Orthodox Jewish community.

Quite possibly, and you are equally ignorant about the 80+% of American Jews who aren't associated with Orthodox or Hassidic Jewry, because you don't need to know anything beyond that they aren't at your level of observance or follow your denomination's beliefs.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 07, 2012, 07:02:43 pm
I take it you're conceding the rest of the post where the fact that you don't consider Jews not affiliated with temples to be Jewish is immaterial if they identify as Jewish to a pollster or anyone else.
I consider anyone whose mother is Jewish to be Jewish with the addition of Orthodox conversions.

only Orthodox Jews follow Judaism though.



Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 07, 2012, 07:08:36 pm
let's review over 35% of all Jews in NY are Orthodox where there is no way Coumo unapproval ratings are less then 50%.

 but according to a poll Coumo only has a 9% unapproval amongst all jews even after factoring in children this is wrong even if every  single non Orthodox Jew supported Coumo.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Purch on June 09, 2012, 04:59:42 pm
I'm surprised. I guess that most New Yorkers must not pay enough attention to relaize that he's a paranoid bully.

He's pretty decent compared to the people in power around the country.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 09, 2012, 10:14:20 pm
Not a chance, her shot was in 2008.  She's only got high approvals atm because she's basically stayed out of domestic politics since being made Secretary of State.  The minute she tries to reinsert herself into domestic politics, her negatives will go back up.  Also, many Democrats still haven't forgiven her for her race-baiting during the 2008 campaign.  Additionally, ambitious Democrats such as O'Malley, Cuomo, Hickenlooper, etc. aren't just going to stand aside because a Clinton is running.  Obama already proved that she is beatable and many Democrats will be more willing to publicly cross the Clintons than in 2008.  Also, she is simply a very unlikable person and comes across as bullying, paranoid, arrogant, and ruthless when running against a strong opponent  (there is a reason she is sometimes referred to as "Lady McBeth" :P).  Plus, she seemed to be pretty much dead to the progressive/liberal wing of the Democratic party.  Lastly, some of the groups that backed her in 2008 (Jewish voters, Hispanics, Southern whites, etc) probably wouldn't support her as strongly if she were to run in 2016 (for a variety of reasons).

No way.  Clinton is in a much stronger position than she was going into 2008.  She's more popular with the general electorate, and she has an 86% favorability rating among Democrats.  That isn't going to evaporate overnight if she gets back into domestic politics.  Here's my take on why Clinton would basically clear the field if she runs (though I'm not certain that she's going to run):

I do wonder what kind of non-establishment challengers we'd see. Would the most significant among them be traditional liberals (I'm struggling to think of a realistic example), or would they be of a different flavor (e.g. Schweitzer)?

The template I would use is Gore vs. Bradley 2000, where the frontrunner (Gore in 2000; Clinton in 2016) is such an imposing frontrunner that he/she only gets one challenger of any consequence, who looks like he might have a chance at making something happen in either IA or NH early on, but ends up losing all 50 states to the frontrunner in the end.  The challenger is someone who goes after the frontrunner from the left, and who's at a stage in his career where he doesn't really have anything to lose by running.  (Don't know who that would be in 2016, but an obvious possibility would be Feingold.)

My reasoning for why Clinton would be so much stronger in 2016 than she was in 2008 that she'd clear the field:

1) She's the most popular politician in the country at the moment.  And that's with the general electorate.  Among Democrats, she has a phenomenal 86% favorability rating: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_417.pdf
It's quite rare for candidates to begin a presidential campaign with numbers like that.  Unless she does something to screw that up in her last year as SoS, she'll probably keep those numbers through 2014 and into 2015 when candidates have to start declaring for the 2016 primaries.

2) In 2006/7, there were quite a few qualms about HRC among pragmatic Dems who just wanted to win.  (Many establishment Dems were urging Bayh and Warner to run, because they thought HRC was a sure loser.)  She was seen as a polarizing figure who might not be able to win a general election.  Those concerns have now evaporated because of reason #1.  For that reason, I don't see any establishment competition for her in 2016.

3) In 2006/7, there was also quite a bit of suspicion and even outright hostility towards her from the liberal base of the party, because of her triangulation on various issues as a senator, and especially about the Iraq War vote.  The Iraq War has faded as an issue now, and I doubt that'll be much of a factor in 2016.  Also, many in the liberal base have been disillusioned by Obama anyway, so they'll probably end up just being more apathetic in 2016, not as easily able to get excited about a challenger to Clinton.

4) Among some Dems, there's a sense of "unfinished business" from 2008 about electing the first female president, and Clinton is the most obvious vehicle through which to do it in 2016.

5) People say that only the GOP ever nominates people who've run before, but it's rare that the runner up on the Democratic side comes as close to winning as Clinton did in 2008.  The closest parallel would be Gary Hart in 1984, who would have actually been the prohibitive frontrunner in 1988 if he hadn't gotten himself in trouble re: Donna Rice.  As long as Hillary doesn't have an affair with Clarence or something, she should be OK.



Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 12, 2012, 03:42:52 pm
only Orthodox Jews follow Judaism though.

Excuse me?  Imma have to disagree with you on that one.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Comrade Funk on June 17, 2012, 03:15:09 pm
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Napoleon on June 17, 2012, 04:17:54 pm
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.

The first four words in that sentence would suffice. ;)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ag on June 17, 2012, 08:32:56 pm
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.

He defines Jews to be Republicans. You know: if you vote Dem, your circumcision is invalid.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 19, 2012, 06:39:43 pm
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.
no I'm not I'm denying that most Jews follow Judaism.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: NY Jew on June 19, 2012, 06:42:39 pm
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.

He defines Jews to be Republicans. You know: if you vote Dem, your circumcision is invalid.
no,
I'm saying if your in favor of gay marriage you have no Jewish values.
If you don't keep Shabbos your opinion about Jewish values is worthless.
I'm saying that the vast majority of Jews in America are for all intensive purposes complete non Jews (meaning that's how they live their lives, they still are jews)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Holmes on June 19, 2012, 06:56:33 pm
You're so controversial.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ag on June 19, 2012, 08:53:09 pm
no,
I'm saying if your in favor of gay marriage you have no Jewish values.
If you don't keep Shabbos your opinion about Jewish values is worthless.
I'm saying that the vast majority of Jews in America are for all intensive purposes complete non Jews (meaning that's how they live their lives, they still are jews)


Exactly. Which, basically, means, you don't consider Jewish - and, pretty obviously, dislike - most US Jews. Which, in my book, of course makes you anti-semitic, my dearest NYJewhater (or should it be Antiamericanjew?)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: mondale84 on June 19, 2012, 09:10:58 pm
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.

He defines Jews to be Republicans. You know: if you vote Dem, your circumcision is invalid.
no,
I'm saying if your in favor of gay marriage you have no Jewish values.
If you don't keep Shabbos your opinion about Jewish values is worthless.
I'm saying that the vast majority of Jews in America are for all intensive purposes complete non Jews (meaning that's how they live their lives, they still are jews)


The Jews eating their own again. This is actually quite common among American Jews: to question other Jews' "Jewness."


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: The Conflict on June 20, 2012, 10:39:13 am
Should "No True Scotsman" be renamed "No True Jew"?


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Brittain33 on June 20, 2012, 04:07:15 pm
Should "No True Scotsman" be renamed "No True Jew"?

"No True Landsman"


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: ag on June 20, 2012, 04:15:31 pm
Should "No True Scotsman" be renamed "No True Jew"?

"No True Landsman"

That sounds like a Jewish last name :)


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 25, 2012, 01:20:15 am
I'm saying if your in favor of gay marriage you have no Jewish values.
If you don't keep Shabbos your opinion about Jewish values is worthless.

I damn well disagree with both of those. 


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: old timey villain on June 25, 2012, 06:19:40 am
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.

He defines Jews to be Republicans. You know: if you vote Dem, your circumcision is invalid.
no,
I'm saying if your in favor of gay marriage you have no Jewish values.
If you don't keep Shabbos your opinion about Jewish values is worthless.
I'm saying that the vast majority of Jews in America are for all intensive purposes complete non Jews (meaning that's how they live their lives, they still are jews)


Most Jews in America favor gay marriage. But I guess they don't count anymore. You just lost like 3 million Jews out of 14 million worldwide.


Title: Re: NY-Quinnipiac: Gov. Cuomo (D) sets post 9/11 approval ratings record
Post by: Vosem on June 27, 2012, 11:55:07 am
NY Jew is in denial that most Jews are Democrats.

He defines Jews to be Republicans. You know: if you vote Dem, your circumcision is invalid.
no,
I'm saying if your in favor of gay marriage you have no Jewish values.
If you don't keep Shabbos your opinion about Jewish values is worthless.
I'm saying that the vast majority of Jews in America are for all intensive purposes complete non Jews (meaning that's how they live their lives, they still are jews)


My entire family is Ashkenazi as far as the records go -- I was circumcised, I had a bar mitzvah, but I don't observe Shabbas. In fact, I think abortion should be legal. Am I Jewish?