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Title: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 31, 2012, 11:29:47 PM
http://theothermccain.com/2012/05/15/distraction-tactic-backfires-romney-gains-in-polls-after-obama-gay-shift/

A New York Times article indicates voters are starting to see through Obama's motives.

Most Americans suspect that President Obama was motivated by politics, not policy, when he declared his support for same-sex marriage, according to a new poll released on Monday, suggesting that the unplanned way it was announced shaped public attitudes.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 31, 2012, 11:41:06 PM
Words fail me...


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on May 31, 2012, 11:45:10 PM

Finally!


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 31, 2012, 11:47:18 PM
Romney has never done something for political reasons.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on May 31, 2012, 11:49:11 PM
I'm always amazed by this argument. "You just support big social advancements in minority rights that have historically done very poorly at the ballot box and until recently the majority of Americans were against because you're a political opportunist!"

Is the issue here that he hid it for political reasons up until this point? I just don't get this stupid line of reasoning or how it's apparently so pervasive among Republicans. Someone please explain what the accusation is, here, or how it has any internal logic.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on May 31, 2012, 11:52:18 PM

Yes consider it a victory that your hackery has silenced me for now...


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 01, 2012, 12:00:18 AM

Actually, I think you mean my logic and spot on analysis.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 01, 2012, 12:01:18 AM

No, I really don't


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Joe Republic on June 01, 2012, 03:19:51 AM
Winfield, you of all people most certainly do not want to be attacking a politician for apparently shifting positions on an issue for the sake of political expediency.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Brittain33 on June 01, 2012, 06:05:00 AM
Winfield, you of all people most certainly do not want to be attacking a politician for apparently shifting positions on an issue for the sake of political expediency.

Particularly the candidate who promised to be more liberal on gay rights than Ted Kennedy in 1994.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on June 01, 2012, 06:17:36 AM
Winfield, you of all people most certainly do not want to be attacking a politician for apparently shifting positions on an issue for the sake of political expediency.

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Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: memphis on June 01, 2012, 07:21:15 AM
This is the true measure of how far we've come as a nation. In like five years, the prime talking point from Republicans about people who support gay marriage has gone from, 'It will destroy society via turtle [inks]ing,' to, 'Oh, of course you're for it. You'll say anything popular to get re-elected.' That is progress.
- Jon Stewart


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: HappyWarrior on June 01, 2012, 08:10:53 AM
Winfield you can't even talk about political expediency if you support Mitt Romney. 


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Brittain33 on June 01, 2012, 09:14:20 AM
Forty years from now, Republicans are going to cite Bill Weld against conservative southern Dems to prove that they were really the part of equality who made same-sex marriage possible.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Alcon on June 01, 2012, 10:03:29 AM
The article you linked to is pretty weaksauce, considering the relatively decent amount of data out there post-decision.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 01, 2012, 10:41:13 AM
The article you linked to is pretty weaksauce, considering the relatively decent amount of data out there post-decision.

To be fair, he does have a point. We'll just have to wait and see if there are more polls like in CO/NV/IA recently.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook on June 01, 2012, 10:45:27 AM
I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 01, 2012, 09:24:21 PM
I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.

Oh, that's all America needs in these trying times, when we need a President Americans expect decisive leadership from, instead, what we get is a President who announces that he supports gay marriage, one of the most divisive and polarizing social issues ever in the history of the nation, based on the wishes of his two young daughters, as delightful as they are, who have friends with gay parents.

America deserves better than this.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on June 01, 2012, 09:30:11 PM
I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.

Oh, that's all America needs in these trying times, when we need a President Americans expect decisive leadership from, instead, what we get is a President who announces that he supports gay marriage, one of the most divisive and polarizing social issues ever in the history of the nation, based on the wishes of his two young daughters, as delightful as they are, who have friends with gay parents.

America deserves better than this.

Gosh, Mr. Winfield! I didn't know it was illegal to decide your opinions based on personal experience! Guess I'd better recalculate all of my core beliefs.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: BaldEagle1991 on June 01, 2012, 09:54:46 PM
Every politican has done something like that, name one that HASN'T.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 01, 2012, 10:02:21 PM
That's all fine, and I do not have a problem with that,  but I am talking about leadership, and in this particular scenario, I don't see that as leadership, basing your decision on the fact your young children, who are very impressionable, have friends who have gay parents.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Donerail on June 01, 2012, 11:40:34 PM
That's all fine, and I do not have a problem with that,  but I am talking about leadership, and in this particular scenario, I don't see that as leadership, basing your decision on the fact your young children, who are very impressionable, have friends who have gay parents.

Very impressionable, friends with gay parents... So you're saying that his daughters were corrupted by TEH GAY AGENDA!!!1!1!1!!! into believing in equality because they saw these people are just like everybody else?


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: HagridOfTheDeep on June 01, 2012, 11:50:02 PM
Nah, I'd say their liberal school teachers are behind it, as is the case here in Canada. They try to "educate" the social conservative right out of you.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: HappyWarrior on June 02, 2012, 12:20:17 AM
I once listened to the radio and they said that Obama's daughters have friends with gay parents, and that Obama annouced his support because of them.

Oh, that's all America needs in these trying times, when we need a President Americans expect decisive leadership from, instead, what we get is a President who announces that he supports gay marriage, one of the most divisive and polarizing social issues ever in the history of the nation, based on the wishes of his two young daughters, as delightful as they are, who have friends with gay parents.

America deserves better than this.

Oh you mean leadership!  Like a guy saying he is for gay marriage and that he is more liberal than Ted Kennedy....Then a few years later runs for a different office and says he is a conservative?  How great a leadership style!


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 02, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
Don't get cute.

I said nothing about corruption, I didn't even imply it, you are the one putting your own spin on what I said.

I am talking about leadership, and if that is something you choose not to understand, that is up to you.      


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on June 02, 2012, 12:30:30 AM
Forget Americans, I want to know what Amercians think.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: HappyWarrior on June 02, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
Don't get cute.

I said nothing about corruption, I didn't even imply it, you are the one putting your own spin on what I said.

I am talking about leadership, and if that is something you choose not to understand, that is up to you.      

I wasn't talking about corruption.  I'm just saying I'd prefer a leader who actually makes decisions based on what he thinks is right and doesn't switch them rather than a guy who goes whatever way the wind blows.  A big part of leadership is making a decision and sticking with it.  I'm not saying you can't develop your positions, thats fine.  I'm just saying don't switch up entirely just cause  you don't think people will vote for you.  Mittens isn't leading when he does things like that, he is just trying to get elected for the sake of getting elected.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Alcon on June 02, 2012, 07:07:56 AM
The article you linked to is pretty weaksauce, considering the relatively decent amount of data out there post-decision.

To be fair, he does have a point. We'll just have to wait and see if there are more polls like in CO/NV/IA recently.

Obama's standing has declined, but this article makes an incredibly weak case for causation when there's plenty of potential data available.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Brittain33 on June 02, 2012, 07:33:47 AM
Wait, people are taking Obama's stories about his daughters' friends at face value?

Really?


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Alcon on June 02, 2012, 07:38:12 AM
Wait, people are taking Obama's stories about his daughters' friends at face value?

Really?

Winfield is a little impressionable.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Donerail on June 02, 2012, 07:49:37 AM
Nah, I'd say their liberal school teachers are behind it, as is the case here in Canada. They try to "educate" the social conservative right out of you.

I believe that's a side effect of education in general.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on June 02, 2012, 09:23:48 AM
I was NEVER preached to at school...

Nah, I'd say their liberal school teachers are behind it, as is the case here in Canada. They try to "educate" the social conservative right out of you.

I believe that's a side effect of education in general.

Hmmm.... interesting consequences of that comment


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: TJ in Oregon on June 02, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
Nah, I'd say their liberal school teachers are behind it, as is the case here in Canada. They try to "educate" the social conservative right out of you.

I believe that's a side effect of education in general.

Mostly it's a side effect of living on a college campus where social liberalism is the norm, although you can get the occasional professor with some kind of axe to grind about something. At least in my experience, it's not so much the class material that drives social liberalism on campus but more the school newspaper, student organizations, residential housing staff, tolerance of underage drinking and drug use, etc.

I was never preached to in elementary or high school either, though again, I have had a couple college profs with axes to grind.


Title: Re: Obama says he supports same sex marriage, but what do Americans think?
Post by: Donerail on June 02, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
I was NEVER preached to at school...

Nah, I'd say their liberal school teachers are behind it, as is the case here in Canada. They try to "educate" the social conservative right out of you.

I believe that's a side effect of education in general.

Not saying preached to, saying education leads to learning and learning leads to tolerance.

Hmmm.... interesting consequences of that comment